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The term 'middleware' seems to have been taken up by video game developers to refer to an entirely different set of products, such as [[Renderware]] which enable porting between different platforms. I've always understood middleware to be things like MQ and Tibco, so this kind of surprised me, however it seems to be gaining in usage. Perhaps a seperate Middleware (video games) is needed? Already, I've seen references to the XBox on this article. [[User:RobLinwood|RobLinwood]] 00:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

: I've answered myself and added a link to [[Game engine#Middleware]] [[User:RobLinwood|RobLinwood]] 00:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

: I have renamed this topic "Middleware (distributed applications)" and added a more general Middleware page that links to this one [[User:Paul Foxworthy|Paul Foxworthy]] ([[User talk:Paul Foxworthy|talk]]) 11:29, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

== List of "Middleware products and vendors" ==

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See [[Talk:Message-oriented middleware#Merge with Middleware?]] -- [[User:Harry Wood|Harry Wood]] ([[User talk:Harry Wood|talk]]) 10:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

* Proposed. [[User:Pratyeka|prat]] ([[User talk:Pratyeka|talk]]) 13:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

* Oppose. MOM is a specific category of middleware, and an important enough topic in its own right. "Middleware (distributed applications)" should and does link to the MOM article.

== Mixing Tools with protocoles ==

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::Here's a quote from Microsoft in an article titled 'Microsoft on the Enterprise Service Bus (ESB)': "The ESB label simply implies that a product is some type of integration middleware product that supports both MOM ([[Message-oriented middleware]]) and Web services protocols."[http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa475433(BTS.10).aspx microsoft.com] [[User:Pratyeka|prat]] ([[User talk:Pratyeka|talk]]) 05:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

: I am against merging [[Middleware]] with [[Message-oriented middleware]] and [[Enterprise service bus]]. I am ok with merging [[Message Broker]] into [[Message-oriented middleware]]. I am ok with having some (if not all) of [[Enterprise messaging system]] into [[Message-oriented middleware]]. These are completely different things. A middleware is just any infrastructure framework or system. So yes, an ESB is a middleware, just like an application server is while they are very different in what they do. A MOM can be accessed by an ESB, but en ESB can also access Web services or a DB, etc. Disjoint again. A [[message broker]] is actually a MOM so I think it is safe to merge them together. However, it is also an enterprise design pattern, so I think we can remove some work you cannot really make it disappear like this. Finally [[Enterprise messaging system]] is (as described in the article itself) a set of practices, not any implementation really, but there is an enormous overlap with [[Message-oriented middleware]]. I suppose some (if not all) of this can be merged? [[User:JnRouvignac|JnRouvignac]] ([[User talk:JnRouvignac|talk]]) 17:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

:I agree 100% with JnRouvignac. When there are two topics, and they are both important and require considerable discussion, and one is much more general than the other, it makes sense to have two Wikipedia articles. Should we merge "War" and "World War 2"? [[User:Paul Foxworthy|Paul Foxworthy]] ([[User talk:Paul Foxworthy|talk]]) 05:49, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

== Impenetrable jargon, or in other words, "Huh????" ==

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I came to this article while trying to find out a little about [[Android (operating system)]] to understand more about how my husband's new Android-based phone is different from my new iPhone; the early paragraphs of that article referred to "middleware," which was a term I'd never heard. To dig deep into a concept like middleware, I accept, I would need to get used to complicated tech-talk. However, I still maintain that the first paragraph or so of this sort of article still should offer something that the casual reader/user might at least have a chance of comprehending at least partially. Can we not try again, here? [[User:Lawikitejana|Lawikitejana]] ([[User talk:Lawikitejana|talk]]) 12:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

In my 15 years I've used the term 'middleware' to describe the software layer underneath the application which provides services specific to the type of application. For instance take a cell phone software stack - the middleware would provide everything from task creation to graphics support, input management to phone features, etc., encapsulated with a consistent API. It's like a collection of libraries that share a common style and are designed to work together. Usually it sits on top of a hardware/os abstraction layer. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.252.238.121|76.252.238.121]] ([[User talk:76.252.238.121|talk]]) 03:37, 8 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== "modern information technology"? ==

Seems the word "modern" is almost always inappropriate in today's fast moving [[Information Technology]] world.

With today's [[Platform as a Service]] offerings and [[JSON]], calling [[XML]], [[SOAP]] "modern" is so [[1990s]]

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