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===License openess==

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==Missing Readers==

Sumatra PDF can read XPS

:Reference - http://www.ghacks.net/2011/04/26/sumatra-pdf-reader-updated-xps-file-support-added/

:Link - http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/free-pdf-reader.html

personally checked. would have saved me some time hunting if it was in the article ^_^

Ramdomwolf [[Special:Contributions/130.63.143.227|130.63.143.227]] ([[User talk:130.63.143.227|talk]]) 17:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

==Other OS readers==

Does anybody know what is the status of reader for Mac, Linux,

mobile OS? --[[User:BBird|BBird]] ([[User talk:BBird|talk]]) 11:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

::On Mac OS and Linux, you can use [[Okular]]. (It's even listed in the article in the "See also"-section, though for some reason without an explanation what it actually is) --[[Special:Contributions/77.56.245.143|77.56.245.143]] ([[User talk:77.56.245.143|talk]]) 19:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

==License openess==

Microsoft's licensing terms for XPS and shared source simply state that incorporating MS code with code under some other license (e.g., GPL) does not subject the MS code to the other license's terms. In other words, agreeing to a contract with company X does not subject you to a contract from company Y (which you never signed/agreed to). <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.253.16.1|199.253.16.1]] ([[User talk:199.253.16.1|talk]]) 19:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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::I would like to see that statement expanded a bit. "dynamic capabilities" is a very vague statement that doesn't mean much to the reader. Heck, it's my field and I had no idea what was meant by it without reading the discussion. Can we change it to "...does not currently include the ability to display dynamic content such as scripting, forms or animations..."? - [[User:Mythobeast|Robert Rapplean]] 17:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

:::It probably should be taken out altogether. From what I can tell, it's mostly somebody who has a desire to point out how they think PDF is much better, even though it's become rather obvious that they simply serve different purposes. PDF vs XPS never became a really big deal, and today I don't see anybody arguing about it anymore. PDF has kept its role, and so has XPS. Neither has replaced the other, and neither will in the foreseeable future. I vote that, even though the statement may be true, it's not very significant. &nbsp;—[[User:CobraA1|CobraA1]] 00:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

::::This line of text about not supporting the dynamic elements of PDF is all I wanted to know, I came here for this, just a quick reminder of the practical difference between XPS and PDF. It definitely should not be taken out, it's pretty significant and it's totally NPOV.--[[Special:Contributions/24.37.141.122|24.37.141.122]] ([[User talk:24.37.141.122|talk]]) 15:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

So, do you guys know if XPS adds any value to the existing PDF standard, or XPS is just another monopolistic movement from Microsoft? If this is just a monopolistic movement from Microsoft it should be cited in the article. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/195.235.227.10|195.235.227.10]] ([[User talk:195.235.227.10|talk]]) 09:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Conversations about Why==

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Why has Microsoft decided to do this? Is there a reason why they wanted to create a pdf-like format? I searched the microsoft website and found nothing. Maybe if someone finds a formal reason from Microsoft, you can add it to the article.

: I don't have a formal reason from Microsoft, but the primary purpose of XPS is to be a method of printing. You make various printing calls that are converted into XPS XML and then shipped off to the printer driver. Thus, communicating with a printer "directly" requires only throwing an XPS XML document at it. As a useful side effect, you can print to a file that can easily be read by other programs (whether print drivers or GUI applications). Lastly, you have the potential ability to algorithmically convert any document into XPS without bothering with graphics calls and the Windows XPS converter. [[User:Korval|Korval]] 21:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

: Why create a new file format? You still need to process it before sending it to the printer, because no printer can print XPS directly. On the other hand, PS can be sent directly to most printers, and also PDF. Lots of printers nowadays hade support for direct PDF printing. After all, it's just a subset of PS so it is easy to implement in any PostScript printer. To me, this XPS thing looks just like GDI with a new name!!? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.108.52.23|78.108.52.23]] ([[User talk:78.108.52.23|talk]]) 12:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Yeah, good question... Also, why isn't the Word doc format not good for this...<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:194.102.124.102|194.102.124.102]] ([[User talk:194.102.124.102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/194.102.124.102|contribs]])-28T18:48:28.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

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:Actually, that's kind of what they're doing. XMS is basically a zip file with a standard directory structure. That structure contains an XML file which will provide the functionality of HTML, but is more specific to print production instead of web rendering. Unlike HTML, it also includes all the fonts, images, etc. that are necessary to produce the finished document. - [[User:Mythobeast|Robert Rapplean]] 17:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

One reason I can see for the XPS format is to facilitate 'Driverless' printing within their Remote Desktop Services environment. It serves a role similar to the DVI format for TeX, and the RDS clients then convert the intermediate format to native printer command language through their print drivers locally. [[Special:Contributions/71.40.60.242|71.40.60.242]] ([[User talk:71.40.60.242|talk]]) 20:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

== XPS is a "smaller download" to read files than PDF? ==

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:This is nonsense. Wiki defines "proprietary" (which is what I assume you meant) as "a party, or proprietor, exercising private ownership, control or use over an item of property, usually to the exclusion of other parties". Nothing could be further from the truth in the case of PDF, which has been openly documented since 1993 (and "downloadable" as you cite). There is an entire industry, of 100s (maybe 1000s) of companies, built around producing, processing and consuming PDF content. There is no licensing required to produce or consume PDF, no fee payable, no undocumented file format, and no DRM. The format is even published in book form and available from any good bookstore! As if that wasn't enough, in January 2007 Adobe announced that it is releasing the PDF 1.7 specification to the AIIM for publication by the ISO. [[User:Nemo20000|nemo]] 15:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

:: Also XML can contain binary undocumented data, eg:

:: <code><tag>%$@G^%U&*H%IHU^&GU^gu^$G$U^&$GU%^&H%G$</tag></code>

:: [[User:Family Guy Guy|Family Guy Guy]] ([[User talk:Family Guy Guy|talk]]) 15:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

== Unattributed UI criticism ==

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:I have to admit I don't understand this comment. Dcoetzee, is it the Wikipedia front page that you take issue to? The Wikipedia policy against self-reference basically says "don't define the XML Paper Specification as a specification for paper that uses XML". More succinctly, don't define a dog as an animal that is a dog. The contents of the print page are entirely meaningless as long as it's something that the viewer might have a frame of reference for. The Wikipedia front page certainly qualifies. - [[User:Mythobeast|Robert Rapplean]] 17:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fair use rationale for Image:Xpsviewer.png==

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'''[[:Image:Xpsviewer.png]]''' is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is no [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline|explanation or rationale]] as to why its use in '''this''' Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the [[Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use|boilerplate fair use template]], you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with [[WP:FU|fair use]].

Please go to [[:Image:Xpsviewer.png|the image description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline |fair use rationale]]. Using one of the templates at [[Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline]] is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Missing rationale2 -->

[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 08:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

===Redistribution of specification===

Specification reader is not allowed to copy the specificiation as written in the license on 2008-04-16:

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…You may not (i) duplicate any part of these Materials…

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Statement about free redistribution on Wikipedia is in conflict with the license.

[[Special:Contributions/147.251.48.18|147.251.48.18]] ([[User talk:147.251.48.18|talk]]) 12:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== ECMA standardisation ==

As per [http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/TC46.htm this page] ECMA is working to produce an open XPS-compatible standard. Is this worth mentioning in the main article, and if so how should one go about it? [[Special:Contributions/86.8.141.80|86.8.141.80]] ([[User talk:86.8.141.80|talk]]) 21:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

:Hard to say. I'd take a wait and see approach to see if this really solidifies into something real, or if it falls apart. If progress is made and it turns out to be a real effort, then go ahead and mention it. &nbsp;—[[User:CobraA1|CobraA1]] 03:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Does anybody use this? ==

I've never seen an .*xps file in the wild. Is there any advantage of XPS over PDF except maybe better interoperability with Microsoft products? Both are supposedly open standards, both are heavily tied to/controlled by a corporation that has a strange definition of "open". --[[Special:Contributions/88.73.63.221|88.73.63.221]] ([[User talk:88.73.63.221|talk]]) 13:48, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

== Viewing XPS files ==

This article is not very helpful for someone who has received an XPS file and simply wants to view the contents, with no desire to install anything.

Are there any true online viewers?

One good option is here: [http://www.xps2pdf.org/ XPS2PDF - Convert your XPS files to PDF online]

a simple free service that works, without requiring any emails.-[[Special:Contributions/96.237.13.111|96.237.13.111]] ([[User talk:96.237.13.111|talk]]) 23:11, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

== Open XPS in Windows 8 ==

It looks like XPS will continue in Windows 8. However, it won't be called "Microsoft XPS", but simply "Open XPS".

Taken from a [http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-8-OpenXPS-the-Latest-PDF-Killer-226721.shtml Softpedia article]:

“As an international standard, OpenXPS has several ecosystem advantages, compared to Microsoft XPS. First, there are a number of government agencies that require standardized document formats for internal use, and that requirement has been a barrier to the adoption of MSXPS in some cases. OpenXPS removes this barrier to adoption.

“Additionally, Microsoft has received feedback from hardware and software developers requesting a process that prevents frequent revisions and changes to the MSXPS format to prevent the frequent rewriting of their applications and drivers to match the arbitrary changes. OpenXPS is an international standard with a formalized change processes and a wide publication of revisions.” <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.146.144.86|69.146.144.86]] ([[User talk:69.146.144.86|talk]]) 04:42, 16 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

See also: [http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hh859698] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.146.144.86|69.146.144.86]] ([[User talk:69.146.144.86|talk]]) 05:51, 16 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Talk Page Misuse ==

Just a friendly reminder folks: "This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." Andacar 18:26, 9 July 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Andacar|Andacar]] ([[User talk:Andacar|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Andacar|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Past Tense ==

Why does this article refer to XPS/OXPS in the past tense? I have not found any mention in the article of the format's demise or abandonment, so the use of past tense is confusing. If past tense is applicable, I believe it is important to explain the rationale prominently in the first paragraph. Otherwise, I propose that this article be edited to use present tense. [[User:Wthrower|Wthrower]] ([[User talk:Wthrower|talk]]) 03:16, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

the intro is written at way to sophisticated a level for a general encylopedia

re write it so it is intelligelbe to you grandmother, somoething along the lines of a is a type of electroni file that is like a piece of paper, in that it is hard to change after it is made, unlike say a typical wordprocessor document which can be chagned at will

The XPS rules (specificatins) include rules for describebing the page, font, etc

(and if you carp about my poor speling you get an exgtra deduction for not seeing forest for the trees) <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.245.17.105|50.245.17.105]] ([[User talk:50.245.17.105|talk]]) 19:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== OpenXPS vs XPS readers ==

The article mention libgxps based readers as supporting OpenXPS, which is not accurate. It seems to only support the older XPS format. (eVince, possibly others) (The entire third party support section seems to include possibly XPS-only readers in the OpenXPS article) [[Special:Contributions/196.14.169.11|196.14.169.11]] ([[User talk:196.14.169.11|talk]]) 17:14, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

== Microsoft removes XPS Viewer from Windows 10 ==

Hi. I'm new to editing Wikipedia, but I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to add a section about Microsoft removing the XPS Viewer from Windows 10.<ref>https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/unlock-xps-viewer/</ref> It would seem to indicate that they have largely abandoned support for the XML format. [[User:Madoublet|Madoublet]] ([[User talk:Madoublet|talk]]) 19:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

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