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"Process modelling" is also a term used by chemical/process engineers to refer to their efforts to model chemical processing plants. BPM should therefore be specified fully, not shortened as in the present article. {{unsigned2|00<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:21,Signatures|unsigned]] Augustcomment 23,added 2006by [[User:129.94.6.30|129.94.6.30]] ([[User talk:129.94.6.30}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/129.94.6.30|contribs]]) 00:21, August 23, 2006</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
:I do not see why, the chemical processing plant is still a business, and as such the modelling of its workings fits within the business process modelling paradigm. [[User:Ansell/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0000FF;">Ans<span style="color:#009000;">e</span>ll</span>]] 07:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 
Please note that the process modeling for process engineering refer to mathematical models which mimics the actual process. For example, a process model for a blast furnace (used to make steel) would capture all the physico-chemical reactions and try to predict the temperature and completion of various reactions during the charge descent. This is surely not a business process modeling. {{unsigned2|12<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:04,Signatures|unsigned]] Septembercomment 13,added 2006by [[User:219.64.92.39|219.64.92.39]] ([[User talk:219.64.92.39}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/219.64.92.39|contribs]]) 12:04, September 13, 2006</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
:If this is true, the article surely does not reflect any of what you said (no mention of chemicals, blast furnaces, steel making, or tempature) and only refers to how it's used in a ''business''. [[User:Radagast83|Radagast83]] 20:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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: Update to the comment above. There are not two articles. There is one article and a redirect. --[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 16:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 
::There should be no redirection. Process Modelling and Business process modelling are in some way similar, but they are no way the same. Please leave them separated. {{unsigned2|09<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:25,Signatures|unsigned]] Aprilcomment 11,added 2007by [[User:82.131.44.226|82.131.44.226]] ([[User talk:82.131.44.226}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/82.131.44.226|contribs]]) 09:25, April 11, 2007</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
: Update to the comment above. The request was to keep things seperate that are not, in fact, seperate. I interpret this to mean "seperate these" things --[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 16:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 
:::Business Process Modeling or BPM is the currently accepted nomenclature for business-specific modeling exercises. While process modeling can be executed for anything, there are specific challenges present when working within in the business arena. It would be of benefit to the business community to address those specifics here. {{unsigned2<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:VSJMortensen|VSJMortensen]] ([[User talk:VSJMortensen|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/VSJMortensen|contribs]]) 13:08, April 18, 2007|VSJMortensen}}</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
 
'''It is not the same.'''' Keep the subjects separate. They are realy not the same.
[[User:Telgeniaal|Telgeniaal]] 10:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 
:Update to the comment above. The request was to keep things seperate that are not, in fact, seperate. I interpret this to mean "seperate these" things --[[User:Nickmalik|Nickmalik]] ([[User talk:Nickmalik|talk]]) 16:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)</blockquote>
 
'''Keep separate.''' The [[Process modeling]] page is general, and this is one of only several meanings/contexts. In order to keep [[Process modeling|that page]] from becoming overlong, this article is best kept individual IMHO. [[User:Davidbspalding|David Spalding]]&nbsp;(<big><fontspan colorstyle="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Davidbspalding|<span style="color: darkred;"></span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Davidbspalding|<span style="color: darkred;"></span>]]&nbsp;[[Special:contributions/davidbspalding|<span style="color: darkred;"></span>]]</fontspan></big>) 16:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 
::Business Process Modeling (BPM) should be kept seperate. While there are obvious commonalities, BPM must take into account human factors and constraints. I, for one, have argued that BPM does not go far enough in taking human constraints into account. Anyone interested in this point of view should contact me directly for the recently releases white paper, "Improving the Business Process Model." --mlefcowitz 11:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mlefcowitz|Mlefcowitz]] ([[User talk:Mlefcowitz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mlefcowitz|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->