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== Better sources ==
The sources in this article are terrible, most are either unreliable, or not independent, or both.
As noted in the recent AFD, there are better sources that could be used:
*https://theconversation.com/luca-disney-and-queerbaiting-in-animation-164349
*https://academic.oup.com/adaptation/article-abstract/13/1/98/5540147
*https://www.buzzfeed.com/sam_cleal/queer-coded-disney-characters
*http://www.quailbellmagazine.com/the-real/social-issues-queerness-and-media-representation
*https://www.insider.com/luca-lgbt-gay-queer-coded-2021-6
*https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=w-n5DwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT263&dq=%22queer+coding%22+%22disney%22&ots=EoH5v2hL4L&sig=PzgYhxsOmoRQAtKcXuWypn26vH4#v=onepage&q=%22queer%20coding%22%20%22disney%22&f=false
*https://slate.com/culture/2021/06/luca-movie-disney-pixar-gay-allegory.html
*https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-strange-difficult-history-of-queer-coding
*https://collider.com/queer-coded-villains-in-film-erasure/
*https://www.vox.com/culture/21417212/what-are-the-gayest-disney-films-mulan-queer-subtext
*https://www.insider.com/the-evolution-of-queer-characters-in-kids-animated-tv-shows-2021-6
*https://www.buzzfeed.com/sam_cleal/tv-characters-who-should-be-queer
*https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/luca-queer-tweets
*https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/t-magazine/gay-children-book-authors.html
*https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/t-magazine/art/frankenstein-monster-queer-art.html
*https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2019/07/17/new-lion-king-biggest-changes-from-original-animated-movie/1738202001/
*https://www.wired.com/story/loki-marvel-queer-character/
*https://www.cjr.org/special_report/queer-media-bachelor-magazine.php
Reposted from the AFD for future reference. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 04:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
:Some of those aren't that great (Buzzfeed, for example). We should be using scholarly sources from the field of LGBT studies, not articles that may barely be more than blog posts spouting some writer's opinion. <span style="font-family:Palatino">[[User:Crossroads|'''Crossroads''']]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Crossroads|-talk-]]</sup> 03:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
::Sources "from the field of LGBT studies" strikes me as non-independent of the subject. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
:::To some extent perhaps, but surprisingly enough the popular media can be at times be even more inclined to exaggerate "queerness" than that field. I haven't looked at all the sources above, but some are like that. <span style="font-family:Palatino">[[User:Crossroads|'''Crossroads''']]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Crossroads|-talk-]]</sup> 02:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
:::Uh... Anachronist, that's not how the [[WP:INDEPENDENT|independence]] of sources work. Never do sources about social concepts have to have subjects be disconnected from an academic field, per se, because articles and journal are normally peer-reviewed. But, disregarding that, these are two academic pieces that have the phrase in their headline, are mainly about the topic, and are from academic journals not generally about LGBT issues: [https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.13110/marvelstales.29.1.0110] and [https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/intellect/fspc/2018/00000005/00000002/art00006] [[User:HumanxAnthro|👨x🐱]] ([[User talk:HumanxAnthro|talk]]) 03:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
:Going to try using these in the future if I have some time to add them in. I would say the articles in [https://theconversation.com/luca-disney-and-queerbaiting-in-animation-164349 The Conversation], [https://www.insider.com/luca-lgbt-gay-queer-coded-2021-6 Insider], [https://slate.com/culture/2021/06/luca-movie-disney-pixar-gay-allegory.html Slate] are good when it comes to Luca, as is [https://www.wired.com/story/loki-marvel-queer-character/ Wired] when it comes to Loki, [https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2019/07/17/new-lion-king-biggest-changes-from-original-animated-movie/1738202001/ USA Today] when it comes to the new Lion King, [https://www.vox.com/culture/21417212/what-are-the-gayest-disney-films-mulan-queer-subtext Vox] when it comes to Mulan, [https://www.cjr.org/special_report/queer-media-bachelor-magazine.php CJR] when it comes to queer-coded publications in the past, the academic article "[https://academic.oup.com/adaptation/article-abstract/13/1/98/5540147 The Snow Queer? Female Characterization in Walt Disney’s Frozen]", and other articles in [http://www.quailbellmagazine.com/the-real/social-issues-queerness-and-media-representation Quail Bell], [https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-strange-difficult-history-of-queer-coding Syfy], [https://collider.com/queer-coded-villains-in-film-erasure/ Collider], [https://www.insider.com/the-evolution-of-queer-characters-in-kids-animated-tv-shows-2021-6 Insider], [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/t-magazine/gay-children-book-authors.html New York Times] (small mention), and [https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=w-n5DwAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT263&dq=%22queer+coding%22+%22disney%22&ots=EoH5v2hL4L&sig=PzgYhxsOmoRQAtKcXuWypn26vH4#v=onepage&q=%22queer%20coding%22%20%22disney%22&f=false the chapter] in "Disney Channel Tween Programming". And there are undoubtedly many more articles out there when it comes to queer coding. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 22:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
== Proposed merge of [[Sissy villain]] into [[Queer coding]] ==
Both of these articles are very short, and a "sissy villain" is the same exact topic as queer coding. We don't do [[WP:CFORK]]s. "Sissy villain" is somehow an even more inflammatory title than "queer coding". The former has an oddly high number of non-English sources, so I wonder if translation from another language Wikipedia may be part of the issue. <span style="font-family:Palatino">[[User:Crossroads|'''Crossroads''']]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Crossroads|-talk-]]</sup> 04:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' (both for the merge and for the advancement of LGBTQ+ people). This should be at least be included briefly in the other article to indicate it's another phrase to refer to the subject. [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=0&q=%22Sissy+villain%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,33 Academic sources], books, and [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Sissy+villain%22&oq=%22sissy+villain%22&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60.3426j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 other sources] use the phrase (sometimes derogatorily) to refer to queer-coded villains, but not nearly as much as they use the phrase queer coding. [[User:HumanxAnthro|👨x🐱]] ([[User talk:HumanxAnthro|talk]]) 02:55, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', although both articles may be related, they are different concepts. While queer coding is an abstract idea, sissy villain refers specifically to a kind of fictional character. And "sissy villain" has its own academic sources in [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22sissy+villain%22 Google Scholar], that can be found in several languages like [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22vil%C3%A3o+afeminado%22 Portuguese] or [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22villano+amanerado%22 Spanish]. Also, there are other sources like newspapers and other webs in many languages as well. In the other hand, I really cannot see why some find these titles "inflammatory". But anyway, like any other controversial article, these two can contain their specific sections of ''Critics'', adding them with their respective references. --[[User:DaddyCell|DaddyCell]] ([[User talk:DaddyCell|talk]]) 10:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
::You created the Sissy Villain article, yes, but it is a subset of this phenomenon, and one of the biggest examples of it. It is just a different term. <span style="font-family:Palatino">[[User:Crossroads|'''Crossroads''']]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Crossroads|-talk-]]</sup> 04:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - simply a fork of the article. Readers are best served by keeping the information in one place. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 16:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as the "Sissy villain" article was created in June 2021. I have to agree with One15969 and HumanxAnthro. Crossroads was right to propose this. And DaddyCell can still add sources by using Google Scholar to a "sissy villain" section of this article, and expand it as such. Once the two articles are merged I would also support keeping "sissy villain" as a redirect to this article, so that the term "sissy villain" can be used on various pages if needed. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 00:32, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
:Stumbled on this discussion through [[WP:NPR]] and I've merged the article into this one.[[User:Citing|Citing]] ([[User talk:Citing|talk]]) 19:36, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
== "is scary and is the only male character who does not wear pants and is made up." ==
Is that vandalism? What does "scary" or "made up" have to do with queer coding?[[Special:Contributions/71.222.175.164|71.222.175.164]] ([[User talk:71.222.175.164|talk]]) 18:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
:Not sure. I can look into it later... [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 19:42, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
== Requested move 31 October 2022 ==
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[[:Queer coding]] → {{no redirect|Queercoding}} – This article's title should be [[Queercoding]] or [[Queer-coding]]. [[User:QueenofBithynia|QueenofBithynia]] ([[User talk:QueenofBithynia|talk]]) 18:22, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
:Hmm. Is there evidence in reliable sources that "Queercoding" is used more than "Queer coding"? If there is, then it should be moved. If there isn't, then it shouldn't be moved. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 20:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. No reasons are given for why this article should be moved. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 00:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
*:The current title is grammatically incorrect and does not follow the convention used in the sources cited in the article. [[User:QueenofBithynia|QueenofBithynia]] ([[User talk:QueenofBithynia|talk]]) 18:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm not convinced that's true. "Queercoding and "queer-coding" don't even show up on the [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=queer+coding%2Cqueercoding%2Cqueer-coding&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cqueer%20coding%3B%2Cc0 Google Ngrams], but "queen coding" does. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 00:21, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', reads oddly and no evidence has been given that the scrunched-together version is more common in sources. <span style="font-family:Palatino">[[User:Crossroads|'''Crossroads''']]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Crossroads|-talk-]]</sup> 23:20, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', in line with Crossroads and Rreagan007. I understand what QueenofBithynia is saying, that the "current title is grammatically incorrect", but for one I'm not sure about that, and secondly, is there evidence that "Queercoding" is a common term above "Queer coding"? No such evidence has been provided as of yet. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 20:05, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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== Excessive focus on television/animation ==
Covering examples of queer coding in animation is important but this article is subpar coverage of an extremely important part of film history. It includes 0 examples of queer coding in film from the actual Hays code era and disproportionately focuses on animated television and film, and only mentions 2 live action films, both of which are contemporary series that lacked the restrictions of older films. [[User:Teddybearbutch|Teddybearbutch]] ([[User talk:Teddybearbutch|talk]]) 22:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
:I think this may have to do with content which was merged into this article from elsewhere. I wouldn't mind there being MORE examples of queer coding from the Hays Code era. [[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 16:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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