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:[http://www.allposters.com/-sp/The-Siege-of-Sparta-by-Pyrrhus-1799-1800-Posters_i1585999_.htm This] version is better and easier to remove watermark from. If Quibik is around, his extraction of the original jpg from the zoomable preview would help a lot (I can get high-res version, but can not guarantee it is the original jpg, and here the higher resolution, the better). [[User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] ([[User talk:Materialscientist|talk]]) 00:51, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
::You probably had the Dezoomify script ([http://sourceforge.net/p/dezoomify/wiki/Home/ this], for anyone wondering) in mind. Unfortunately, Allposters.com does not use Zoomify, so that script will not work. I did find an alternative way to retrieve a reasonably large unwatermarked version. It is slightly blurrier than the watermarked version, though, so combining these two versions is a good idea. I wrote a JavaScript script (a [[bookmarklet]]) that gets both the watermarked and unwatermarked large images, in case anyone might want to get any other images from there:
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javascript:r = /http:\/\/imagecache5d\.allposters\.com\/watermarker\/([^.]+)\.\D+(\d+)\D+(\d+)/.exec(document.body.innerHTML); if (!r) {alert("Failed to find the link. Sorry.");} else {window.open(r, Math.random()); window.open("http://frame.allposters.com/frameimagehandler/universal/frameimage.jpg?frame=[FAP:0+PRT:[PRW=" + r[3] + "|PRH=" + r[2] + "|PIP=\\" + r[1].replace(/-/g, '\\') + ".jpg]+QLT:101+MXW:" + r[3] + "+MXH:" + r[2] + "]", Math.random());} void(0);
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::And another one for [http://www.art.com art.com], since it is pretty much the same website:
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javascript:r = /popHighzoomImage\(([^,]+),([^,]+),[^,]+,'-?([^.]+)/.exec(document.body.innerHTML); r2 = /http:\/\/cache2\.artprintimages\.com\/p\/LRG\/([^\/]+\/[^\/]+\/[^\/]+)/.exec(document.body.innerHTML); if (!r || !r2) {alert("Failed to find the link. Sorry.");} else {window.open("http://imagecache5d.art.com/watermarker/" + r[3] + ".jpg", Math.random()); window.open("http://frame.artprintimages.com/frameimagehandler/universal/frameimage.jpg?frame=[FAP:0+PRT:[PRW=" + r[1] + "|PRH=" + r[2] + "|PIP=\\" + r2[1].replace(/\//g, '\\') + ".jpg]+QLT:101+MXW:" + r[1] + "+MXH:" + r[2] + "]", Math.random());} void(0);
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==Cathedral==
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'''Article(s):''' Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception of the Holy Virgin Mary (Moscow)
'''Request:''' ...cars; (brighten it up, so it won't be looking so depressing); retouch nave's wall; remove the spotlight in front of the wall. Thanks.[[User:GreatOrangePumpkin|<span style="font-family:
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{{Done}} As requested. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 06:43, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks. Can you remove the other car? That would be excellent. [[User:GreatOrangePumpkin|<span style="font-family:
== Don Laughlin ==
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File:Poster for Mutiny on the Bounty.jpg|Poster for ''Mutiny on the Bounty'' (1962)
File:Poster - Mutiny on the Bounty (1935).jpg|Poster for ''Mutiny on the Bounty'' (1935)
File:Poster - Billy Rose's Jumbo.jpg|Poster for ''Billy Rose's Jumbo''
File:Poster - Long Day's Journey into Night.jpg|Poster for ''Long Day's Journey into Night''
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{{Done}} Sorry Fallschirmjäger! [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 11:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:No worries! <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger|
==Hurricane damage==
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:{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 10:10, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::{{Done|Redone}}: <s>Black corner restored</s>. Repaired without cropping the right side.[[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 12:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
== Maria II of Portugal ==
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File:Maria II 1833.png|Maria II, 1836
File:Maria II 1852.png|Maria II, 1852
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'''Article(s):''' [[Maria II of Portugal]]
'''Request:''' Please remove the paintings' frame and create a new .png file with translucid background just like in [[:File:D. Maria II.png|this picture]]. [[User:Lecen|Lecen]] ([[User talk:Lecen|talk]]) 23:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 07:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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::Thank you! They are perfect! --[[User:Lecen|Lecen]] ([[User talk:Lecen|talk]]) 12:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
== Darwin Rebellion ==
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File:Palmerston District Council.jpg|Elected members of the Palmerston District Council in 1909.
File:Nelson & Carey 1919.jpg|Harold Nelson (sitting, second from left) and H.E. Carey (sitting, third from left) in 1919.
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'''Article(s):''' [[Darwin Rebellion]]
'''Request:''' Would you please crop the bottom of both photographs to remove the writing. Thanks... [[User:Spy007au|Spy007au]] ([[User talk:Spy007au|talk]]) 05:59, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 07:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Remove arm ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[Kaukuna Kahekili]]
'''Request:''' Could someone remove the arm on the left "without cropping" the image. Thanks. [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 20:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
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:Wait could you also remove the black spot where her elbow use to be, the part above where the arm use to be, and the white spot on the bottom. I'll mark them.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 04:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
{{Done}}: (truly getting sick of looking at this image) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 21:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::Good cause I was getting sick of keeping this unarchived.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 06:44, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
== correct spelling ==
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'''Article(s):''' NA
'''Request:''' The creator of [[:File:Qxz-ad75.PNG]], used as part of the Wikpedia ad campaign, is [[User:ACBest|ACBest]], who is no longer active, and hasn't posted in almost a year. I don't think he or she would mind if someone corrected the spelling of Antarctica (second use) <font style="font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light ">[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#002868;padding:0 4px">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;">(Talk)</span>]]</font> 14:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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{{Done}}: Corrected.-- '''<span style="font-family:century gothic">[[User:Obsidian Soul|<span style="color:#000">Obsidi<span style="color:#c5c9d2">♠</span>n</span>]] [[User talk:Obsidian Soul|<span style="color:#c5c9d2">Soul</span>]]</span>''' 14:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
::That as fast! Thanks.--<font style="font-family: Copperplate Gothic Light ">[[User:Sphilbrick|<span style="color:#002868;padding:0 4px">SPhilbrick</span>]][[User talk:Sphilbrick|<span style=";padding:0 4px;color:# 000;">(Talk)</span>]]</font> 14:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
== Tamatoa V ==
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File:Queen Moe of Raiatea.jpg|What the result should hopefully look like
File:King Tamatoa V of Raiatea.jpg
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'''Article(s):''' [[Tamatoa V]]
'''Request:''' Could some please tilt the second image so it actually looks flat? Here is three links to how it should look flat [http://blog.mailasail.com/etoiledelune/377/image/jpgZ4YmhMnfEg.jpg], [http://tahitipresse.pf/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/020820092100375050871183255.jpg] and [http://a10.idata.over-blog.com/600x424/3/67/91/14/divers/tah---musee-de-tahiti-6.jpg]. Then could you oval crop the image and recreate the parts covered by the head of the man on his bottom. . [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 04:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 10:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
:File overwrited as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 17:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Henry Adams ==
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File:Henry_Brooks_Adams,_Harvard_graduation_photo.jpg|The original image
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'''Article(s):''' [[Henry Adams]]
'''Request:''' Crop, remove the shadow caused by the oval rim, and clean up. The pixelation is weird when you zoom in then zoom out. [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 05:33, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' There is actually nothing at all wrong or "weird" about this image: it is just a [[halftone]]. Also there is no "shadow" caused by an "oval rim". This is instead part of the graduated tone background visible in the rectangularly cropped [[:File:Henry_Brooks_Adams,_Harvard_graduation_photo.jpg|original photograph]] (which I have added above) which is a better image anyway. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 07:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Kaiulani ==
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File:Kaiulani in Boston, 1893, photograph by Elmer Chickering.jpg|Minimal crop, remove number on her left, and the watermark on her right sleeve
File:Kaiulani holding flowers.jpg|Minimal crop, repair crack and remove copyright sign
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'''Article(s):''' [[Kaʻiulani]]
'''Request:''' Do something with them... [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 03:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{I take|PawełMM}}
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{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 08:45, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
== Distracting background ==
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'''[[:File:Polonium.jpg]]'''<br>
'''[[:File:Pm oxide.jpg]]'''<br>
'''[[:File:Radon.jpg]]'''
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'''Request:''' Please crop the images tightly in order to get rid of the distracting background. --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 13:43, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
But I feel that these backgrounds are not very distracting and the crop is just perfect, execpt the third one, any other say. --'''[[User:Extra999|<font color="black">Extra</font>]] [[User:Extra999/Guestbook|<font color="black">999</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Extra999|Contact <sup>me</sup>]]) 14:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
:In the one in the middle for example only the powder is of interest, not the metal tray and surely not the strangely colored background. --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 16:31, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
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::First, these images are of very low resolution so any playing with them won't turn out so well. Second, the backgrounds are not "distracting" in my opinion. And third, ain't no way I would crop the middle photo to the little pile of powder. It would look just plain silly. In all three instances, if you want better images, the solution is not to clumsily force these images to your idea of more acceptable, the solution is to find better images. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 18:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Perhaps the first 2 images would benefit from having their backgrounds desaturated? Not sure what would help with the third. Maybe cropping a bit off the bottom. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 22:28, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
::::{{Done}} as stated. Feel free to revert. These images ''are'' pretty poor to start with, especially [[:File:Radon.jpg|Radon.jpg]]. Hopefully I haven't made them any worse. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 23:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I have to admit... you improved them without making them worse. Good work :-) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 23:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I agree. Thank you. --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 06:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
== [[Albert Speer]] traveling by plane ==
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File:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-H29758, Albert Speer im Flugzeug.jpg
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'''Article(s):''' [[Albert Speer]]
'''Request:'''Can anything be done with this great image of a brooding, enigmatic [[Albert Speer]], brewing God only knows what behind that forehead? It's so good I'd like it to be as good as it can be. I don't know if it's a featured picture sort of thing but it is still real good. [[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 21:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 15:00, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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Is that the highest resolution that can be had? – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 21:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::I'll look into how to contact the Bundesarchiv and see if they can give us a higher resolution image.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 21:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you Centpacrr, I'm very grateful. Good to see you, it's been a while since we've run into each other.--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 15:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Glad to help out Wehwalt. This is a wonderful historic image. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 15:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
== Images with watermarks with multiple uses ==
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File:Yervanduni Armenia, IV-II BC.gif|Used in 6 articles<br>{{Done}}
File:KORAIL EMU5000 6th.jpg|Used in 4 articles<br>{{Done}}
File:St-Verena02.JPG|Used in 3 articles<br>{{Done}}
File:Vijendersingh2.jpg|Used in 3 articles<br>{{Done}} Centpacrr
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'''Request:''' One watermark removal would improve multiple articles. [[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 16:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
== Prince Punuarii Teriitapunui ==
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File:Prince Punuarii Teriitapunui.jpg|{{Done}} Can you shave off a tiny bit of the left side. The oval looks disportionate now.</br>{{Done|Redone}}
File:Princess Teriinavahoroa.jpg|{{Done}} Can you add a little more back to her left side? The oval looks disportionate now.</br>{{Done|Redone}}
File:Prince Teriitua Joinville.jpg
File:Princess Teriitua Joinville.jpg
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'''Article(s):''' [[:fr:Prince Punuari'i Teri'itapunui Pomare]], [[:fr:Prince Teri'itua Tuavira Joinville Pomare]]
'''Request:''' Oval crop and recreate some of the covered part of the image and then straighten like [[:File:King Tamatoa V of Raiatea.jpg]] of the first two images. This is the best resolution and only images of these people out there. Don't create new derivate file, just upload over this one. [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 00:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
:Also is there anyway to add parts of this [http://blog.mailasail.com/etoiledelune/377/image/jpgG3TL_BQMax.jpg higher resolution version] to the last three images? It's cut off a little bit on the higher resolution version, so you will have to be creative and use parts from the older image too.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 00:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
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{{Done}}: The 1st & 2nd done. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 12:19, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
::There are other ones at [[:commons:Category:Photographs by Sophia Hoare]], if you could take a look and see which you can do and which you can't..--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 02:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC).
::{{Done}}: Done all in [[:commons:Category:Photographs by Sophia Hoare]]. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 10:03, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 08:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
== Film posters ==
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File:Mantis in lace poster.jpg|''Mantis in Lace'' </br>{{Done}}
File:Farmers daughters poster.jpg|''The Farmer's Daughters'' </br>{{Done}}
File:Devil in miss jones poster.jpg|''The Devil in Miss Jones'' </br>{{Done}}
File:Sweet sweetback poster.jpg|''Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song'' </br>{{Done}}
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'''Article(s):''' [[Mantis in Lace]], [[The Farmer's Daughters (1976 film)]], [[The Devil in Miss Jones]], [[Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song]]
'''Request:''' Clean-up: For ''Mantis in Lace'', ensure that the highest quality poster is downloaded from the site (my connection is weird, so it may not be). Remove creases and JPG artifacts. For ''The Farmer's Daughters'', ensure that the highest quality poster is downloaded from the site, clean-up creases and fix jpg artifacts. For the other two, creases and jpg artifacts. Save at the highest quality and overwrite. [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 08:33, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
:*Oh yeah, remove black borders for ''The Devil in Miss Jones''. [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 08:37, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{I take|PawełMM}}
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*Beautiful [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 14:11, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
== Paul-Emile Miot ==
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File:Self-portrait by Paul-Émile Miot.jpg|{{Done}}
File:Moetia Salmon, niece of Queen Pomare lV, 1869-70, Paul-Emile Miot.jpg|Recommend for deletion. ([[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]])
File:Princesse de Joinville, 1869-70, Paul-Emile Miot.jpg|{{Done}}: Just reverted to original.
File:Ariifaaite, husband of Queen Pomare lV, 1869-70, Paul-Emile Miot.jpg|{{Done}}: Just reverted to original.
File:Pomare lV, 1869-70, Paul-Emile Miot.jpg|{{Done}}
File:Le Roi de Vaï Tahou, Tahuata, Marquises, 1870, Paul-Émile Miot.jpg|{{Done}}
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'''Article(s):''' [[Pōmare IV]]
'''Request:''' Crop and remove graininess which you can detect when you zoom in. Try not to crop the last two but to restore the corners. Thank you. [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 05:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' IMO these images should be restored to their original resolution (i.e., much smaller size). Even Internet Explorer does a better job at bilinear interpolation than the software that created these 'enlargements'. I'll do the last one to show you what I mean... [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 10:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
:Okay. Could you do the rest except the first two which are different?--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 19:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
::Kavebear, Please be aware that bigger isn't always better. My last 2 reverts (see above) were because the newer versions (which you uploaded) were very badly pixelated - which is the very reason that you have asked for them to be restored! May I ask, are scanning these images yourself? Perhaps I could offer you some advice.. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 01:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I did not scan them myself. They are the exact same size as they were in the pdf file that I took them from and provided on the source section. And I will just crop them myself.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 01:23, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Fair dinkum. Just remember to view images at actual size (so you can see the actual pixels) before deciding whether to upload a larger file. ...What happened to the first 2 images? I thought you wanted those retouching? [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 01:35, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I'll post them seperately another day. Just need clean up some blemishes and scratches...--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 00:25, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Kavebear, maybe you could use something like [http://www.somepdf.com/some-pdf-image-extract.html this] to extract the images from your PDF files? —[[User:Quibik|Quibik]] ([[User talk:Quibik|talk]]) 00:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::What is the difference between that one and [http://download.cnet.com/Office-Convert-PDF-to-JPG-JPEG-TIFF-Free/3000-10743_4-10900900.html this one]? --[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 00:25, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I think that Quibik may have hit the nail on the head. There is a difference between the 2 - one's a ''vector convertor'', the other's a ''jpg extractor''. The one that you're using, Kavebear, appears to convert a whole page, including text, into a single jpg (See [[Rasterisation]]). Because the resolution of the finished images is much larger than the embedded jpgs the software has to enlarge them - and it's doing a poor job of it. The freeware that Quibik suggested extracts the actual jpg data in its native resolution, without having to rasterise, preserving image quality. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 01:28, 18 January 2012 (UTC) PS. Feel free to post those other 2 images. I was working from last to first (why not!) and was getting around to them. ''';-)'''
:::::::I added them below.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 01:46, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
== King Miguel I of Portugal ==
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File:Dom miguel I 1830.jpg|King Miguel I
File:Dom miguel I 1830.png|png file
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'''Article(s):''' [[Miguel I of Portugal]]
'''Request:''' Hi, I need a .png version of this file with translucid background like [[:File:Dom Pedro Duke of Braganza.png|in this picture]]. Thank you very much, [[User:Lecen|Lecen]] ([[User talk:Lecen|talk]]) 13:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
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{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 16:20, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot, PawełMM. You did a great job! --[[User:Lecen|Lecen]] ([[User talk:Lecen|talk]]) 16:34, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} Corrected gamma and restored sepia toning of original. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 17:16, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Original isn'n sepia. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 18:44, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::{{Done}} Redid from original image retaining sepia-like toned paper color. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 17:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
== Delta Goodrem ==
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File:Delta Goodrem Sydney.jpg|Delta Goodrem in Sydney
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'''Article(s):''' [[Delta Goodrem]]
'''Request:''' Could a crop be made of her head and shoulders, so the image can be used in the infobox? She seems a little far away at the moment. - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom'''</font>]] [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk</font>]] 16:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 16:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
:Great, thank you! - [[User:JuneGloom07|<font color="Purple" face="Arial">'''JuneGloom'''</font>]] [[User_Talk:JuneGloom07|<font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk</font>]] 16:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
== Dorence Atwater ==
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File:DorenceAtwaterOval.jpg|Oval crop, denoise, and resotre portion of the top of the image.
File:DorenceAtwaterOval.png|I also made this version, with a transparent background. ~[[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]]
File:Moetia Salmon, photograph by Paul-Emile Miot.jpg|Clean up the white scratch on the right and any blemishes you see, don't crop
File:Titaua Brander, niece of Queen Pomare lV, 1869-70, Paul-Emile Miot.jpg|Clean up some blemishes in the background
File:Tati Le Grand.jpg|Clean the background, leave the caption, don't crop
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'''Article(s):''' [[Dorence Atwater]]
'''Request:''' Requests above. Thank you. [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 01:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{Done}} yesterday, but I couldn't edit this page. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 00:30, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
==Ryan Kwanten==
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File:Ryan Kwanten 2.jpg|Ryan Kwanten with a fan
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'''Article(s):''' [[Ryan Kwanten]]
'''Request:''' Can someone crop this image so that the fan is removed and Ryan Kwanten remains. (Ryan is the guy in the suit)[[User:Raintheone|'''<span style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</span>''']] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<font color="green">'''the 1'''</font>]]</small> 04:03, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thankyou for taking the request. :)[[User:Raintheone|'''<span style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</span>''']] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<font color="green">'''the 1'''</font>]]</small> 13:31, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{Done}}. No worries. ''':-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 00:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Watermark ==
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File:King Jacques and his Queen.jpg|{{done}} by [[User:Materialscientist]]
File:Reine de Raiatea.jpg|{{done}} by [[User:Quibik]]
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'''Article(s):''' [[New Caledonia]]
'''Request:''' Please remove watermark... [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 02:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
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== Teuira Henry ==
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File:Teuira Henry.jpg
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'''Article(s):''' [[Teuira Henry]]
'''Request:''' Please oval crop this image... [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 20:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 06:50, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
== Theatre incorrectly identified in photo ==
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File:CenturyTheatreVenturaCA.jpg|Century Theatre, 555 East Main Street, Ventura, CA
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'''Article(s):''' [[Art_Deco]]
'''Request:''' This is the [http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=*&hl=en&cid=11975085708061345818 Century movie theater] built in the 1990s. The building and a nearby parking garage were designed in the Art Deco style so it is a complement to the architect that it was confused with the 1928 [http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=majestic+ventura+theatre&cid=7863045915199055341 Majestic Ventura Theatre] around the corner at 26 South Chestnut Street, Ventura, CA. The photo of the Majestic Ventura Theatre at number 34 on the [[National_Register_of_Historic_Places_listings_in_Ventura_County,_California]] is correct. You can also verify the address looking at No. 24 on the [http://www.cityofventura.net/files/community_development/planning/current_planning/resources/historic_landmarks.pdf CITY OF SAN BUENAVENTURA HISTORIC LANDMARKS & DISTRICTS] (PDF). I work nearby so I have first hand knowledge of the two buildings as you can also see using google street view.
[[User:Fettlemap|Fettlemap]] ([[User talk:Fettlemap|talk]]) 01:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' That's all very interesting, but what do you want us to do with the photo? [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 01:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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Fettlemap, you don't necessarily need us. You can remedy the error yourself. Edit the photo description if needed and as you see fit, and if necessary, using the [[:commons:Template:Rename|rename]] template, request a more appropriate name for the image. It would also be helpful to explain what you're doing and why on the image talk page and/or the article talk page. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 02:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Err... is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Art_Deco&action=historysubmit&diff=472184219&oldid=472121457 this] what you had in mind, Fettlemap? I can't see any errors on the pages that either photograph (this or The Majestic) is on, and the photo looks fine. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 04:03, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:(I have no idea if the photo is incorrect, misnamed, etc. I didn't look into it. Fettlemap however does seem to have an opinion on the matter and I was simply pointing him in the right direction.) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 04:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::Sorry JB, I was actually replying to Fettlemap again. My indenting/threading skills leave a lot to be desired. ''';-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 06:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it's pretty complicated ;-) Actually, a bigger ''faux pas'' is [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Photography_workshop&diff=next&oldid=472191799 editing your post] (materially) ''after'' someone has responded to it. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 06:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the examples and pointing me in the right direction. I will go ahead and correct the information about the photo. [[User:Fettlemap|Fettlemap]] ([[User talk:Fettlemap|talk]]) 16:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
== poison sign ==
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[[Image:1080PoisonWarning gobeirne.jpg|thumb|center|Poison warning sign, Australia]]
'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]
'''Request:''' Tilt and flatten. (and anything else you think helps.)[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 06:55, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 17:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:TY, you guys are the best.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 17:59, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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== skeletal fluorisis ==
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[[File:Fluworôze egzostozes1-800h.jpg|thumb|center|alt=knobby hoofed leg|Moroccan cow with fluorosis, from industrial contamination]]
'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]
'''Request:''' I need this to fit into a space where I don't have much text to wrap. Please rotate 90 degrees and fix background and hair hanging down so it doesn't make sea-sick. Prefer a "wide" aspect ratio. Save as new file name.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 07:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 17:57, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:TY, love this desk.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 18:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::Still don't have room for this, so reverting to old version. May be able to use in future, though.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 18:06, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
== Alex Carter ==
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File:Alex Carter.jpg|Alex Carter
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'''Article(s):''' [[Alex Carter (British actor)|Alex Carter]]
'''Request:''' Could someone please crop the image for use in an ibox. [[User:D4nnyw14|D4nnyw14]] ([[User talk:D4nnyw14|talk]]) 16:20, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
{{Done}} Cropped and removed mic stand from in front of face. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 17:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks :) [[User:D4nnyw14|D4nnyw14]] ([[User talk:D4nnyw14|talk]]) 20:05, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::I tweaked his face a little as well as made the background all lavender. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 20:49, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
==Capsule==
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[[File:Kapsula.png|center|250px]]
'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]
'''Request:''' Remove the glare reflection so that text on pill is easier to read. [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 03:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 04:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
::Perfect. Gracias!!![[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 04:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian dogs ==
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File:Liliuokalani in 1917.jpg
File:Liliuokalani's dog, 1917.png|Could you include the background on this one?
File:Hawaiian woman dog.jpg
File:Hawaiian dog, 19th century.png
File:Prince Kuhio and Princess Elizabeth in carriage.jpeg
File:Kuhio's dog.png
File:'The Prince of Hawaii' oil on canvas painting by Enoch Wood Perry, Jr., 1865.jpg
File:Albert Kamehameha's dog (Glen of Imaal terrier).png
File:Albert Kamehameha's dog (French bulldog).png
File:John Mix Stanley - 'Hawaiian Girl with Dog', oil on canvas, 1849, Bernice P. Bishop Museum.jpg
File:John Mix Stanley - Hawaiian dog, 1849.png
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'''Article(s):''' probable [[Hawaiian Poi Dog]]
'''Request:''' Please crop out the dogs and upload separate images of them. Thanks. [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 06:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
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{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 20:07, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
::Why png instead of jpg? Could you keep the background on Queen Liliuokalani's dog? Also I fail to mention that are two dogs in the painting with Prince Albert, could you crop a version of the one of the right and name it Albert Kamehameha's dog (2).png. I am not absolutely sure if they are poi dogs or not.--[[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 00:58, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:::PNG because it is a bitmapped image format that employs lossless data compression and some of souce files are rather poor. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 09:15, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
== image layout ==
{{resolved|1=<i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger| <b style="color:#3CB371">✉</b>]]}}
{{Gallery
|title=Elemental fluorine
|width=300
|height=150
|align=center
|File:Moissan color images.jpg|alt1=Three circles: left is same color as background (old paper somewhat tanned); middle is very light yellow; right is more yellow.|An 1892 observation of fluorine gas (middle), compared to air (left) and chlorine (right): the observation was done looking down 5 meter long tubes.
|File:Alpha-fluorine-unit-cell-B-3D-vdW.png|alt2=A parallelogram-shaped outline with space-filling diatomic molecules (joined circles) arranged in two layers|Solid alpha-fluorine's crystal structure: fluorine molecules lie in shingled layers.
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{| class="wikitable" style="width:640px; margin: 1em auto; text-align: center;"
|+ style="background-color:#FFF; border:1px solid #CCC; border-bottom:none;" | Elemental fluorine
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| [[File:Moissan color images.jpg|320px|alt=An 1892 observation of fluorine gas (middle), compared to air (left) and chlorine (right): the observation was done looking down 5 meter long tubes.]]
| [[File:Alpha-fluorine-unit-cell-B-3D-vdW.png|320px|alt=A parallelogram-shaped outline with space-filling diatomic molecules (joined circles) arranged in two layers|Solid alpha-fluorine's crystal structure: fluorine molecules lie in shingled layers.]]
|-
| An 1892 observation of fluorine gas (middle), compared to air (left) and chlorine (right): the observation was done looking down 5 meter long tubes.
| A parallelogram-shaped outline with space-filling diatomic molecules (joined circles) arranged in two layers|Solid alpha-fluorine's crystal structure: fluorine molecules lie in shingled layers.
|}
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'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]
'''Request:''' crop right or pad the left so that the two images have same aspect ratio. (If you can convert to a Wikitable like layout in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorine#Polymers_and_coatings], that would help too, but I might be able to figure out the table code by comparison. Need the aspect ratio work for sure.)[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 16:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
{{Done}} - I added whitespace to pad the left image out, they both the same ratio now. <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger| <b style="color:#3CB371">✉</b>]] 21:06, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
:Added table layout also. <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger| <b style="color:#3CB371">✉</b>]] 21:11, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
== Alan Halsall and Natalie Cassidy ==
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File:Alan Halsall and Natalie Cassidy.jpg|Alan and Natalie at the The Co-operative Group event
File:Alan Halsall.jpg|Alan Halsall
File:Natalie Cassidy crop.jpg|Natalie Cassidy
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'''Article(s):''' [[Alan Halsall]], [[Natalie Cassidy]]
'''Request:''' Can 2 crops be made from this image to use on each of the actors articles. Alan Halsall is wearing the Black jacket/coat, Natalie Cassidy is the female on the opposite end.[[User:Raintheone|'''<span style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</span>''']] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<font color="green">'''the 1'''</font>]]</small> 17:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
{{I take|Fallschirmjäger}} 18:05, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:{{Done}} - <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger| <b style="color:#3CB371">✉</b>]] 18:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Thankyou very much Fallschirmjäger :)[[User:Raintheone|'''<span style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</span>''']] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<font color="green">'''the 1'''</font>]]</small> 18:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Your're welcome. Kind regards, <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger| <b style="color:#3CB371">✉</b>]] 21:21, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
== fix aspect ratios ==
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{| cellpadding="3" style="margin:1em auto 1em auto; text-align:center;"
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| colspan="5" align="center" | '''The fluorides of transition metal elements 25-29'''
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| [[File:Fluorid manganatý rotated.PNG|128px|alt=white powder in a tube and on a spoon]]
| [[File:Fluorid železitý rotated.PNG|128px|alt=brown powder in a tube and on a spoon]]
| [[File:Fluorid kobaltnatý rotated.PNG|128px|alt=pink powder in a tube and on a spoon]]
| [[File:Fluorid nikelnatý rotated.PNG|128px|alt=light green powder in a tube and on a spoon]]
| [[File:Fluorid měďnatý rotated.PNG|128px|alt=light blue powder in a tube and on a spoon]]
|- align="center"
| Manganese difluoride
| Iron trifluoride
| Cobalt difluoride
| Nickel difluoride
| Copper difluoride
|}
'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]
'''Request:''' Please fix so that when displayed in Wikitable, the pictures look same size (and if possible also the tubes are same size). right now, the right most one is bigger and I think the second most right one is also bigger. [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 00:14, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
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The images can be adjusted as you request. It would be a bit of a pain, but not unduly so. I would ask however if there are any other images in this group that might wish the same treatment? If so, hitting them all at the same time would be a WHOLE lot easier than dealing with more as they trickle out. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 00:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:Just these. I think I am the only one using the rotated images (they were rotated just for me, to use in this presentation). I don't plan to rotate or use any of the other ones. I sincerely appreciate the help. It is for a good cause to very efficiently show several things at once and in a natural series![[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 00:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::{{Done}}: Also, looking at the article, I think the image gallery layout is all wrong for these images... too many borders. I think a simple borderless table would look good. I've edited the table above. You are welcome to copy that code and paste it in the article if you wish. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 15:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks, much! I will try out the borderless look (agree it looks great here). I definitely want things to look clean and professional, so maybe the borderless is a good approach. I guess I wonder a little about the SVG images that just sort of float don't have a square outline then. But only way to know is to try it. I will apply it to all. If you want to play with it also, in article, feel free. Like for the rocks, actually a bit more framing might even be nice (liked how they looked in gallery, but want stability of a table).[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 18:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
== SOPA 'infographic' suggestion from editor Cirt. ==
{{resolved|Thank you sincerely I'll take those insightful comments to the talkpage. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span><sub>[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]</sub>}}
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'''Article(s):''' [[SOPA]]
'''Request:''' An editor on the Sopa talkpage mentioned an 'Infographic', showing the 'impact of internet blackout' '''[http://www.propublica.org/nerds/item/sopa-opera-update here]''' and '''[http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/12334/ here]''' which by the looks of it is assembled from, or could be assembled from, pictures that are '''[[Current members of the United States House of Representatives|here]]''',. I don't know if it would be easy or hard, or worth it or not, any ideas ? is it worth it ? <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span><sub>[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]</sub> 00:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
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Easy, but tedious and of limited and fleeting value. I think a simple bar graph is a much simpler and just as effective way to convey the visual information. I suspect there are Wikipedia graph templates already written that would do nicely. You might also back up the graph with a text-based chart showing in detail who supported and who opposed. This would most definitely be more useful than an illegible cluster of tiny images. The same model can be used for similar issues without needing to whip up a new image every time. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 03:28, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
:''"Easy, but tedious and of limited and fleeting value."'' Couldn't have put it better myself. I tried to come up with an analogy involving Sisyphus earlier, but even doing that seemed like a waste of time. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 06:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
::That is Brilliant thinking guys, I'll echo your insightful comment to the talkpage for the users there. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span><sub>[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]</sub> 18:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Actually, I was just about to mark it as resolved, and then I recalled that the impact of the image is provided mainly by the Before the blackout day compared to after the blackout day comparison, which is a static image. So I think I'll leave it open just in case someone thinks so too. Because that'd be one image, with no updates. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span><sub>[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]</sub> 18:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Sorry, I thought that you were suggesting using wikimarkup to produce a table of small linked images, or regularly updating such a table to show how the vote is swinging. If you just want to use a single image, and the image is copyright free, you could [[Special:Upload|upload]] it, then if you want some of the whitespace removing (to make the photographs proportionally larger) you could post it here. I'd do the editing for you, I just don't enjoy trying to work out copyright issues. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 23:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Actually, if you really want to whip this thing up (the image Penyulap refers to is almost certainly copyrighted) one way to go about it might be to make a table on your user (sub)page that is large enough to be legible, then make a screen capture of it. The image(s) can then be placed in the article at reduced size allowing the reader to click on it for the full size image(s). That would at least solve the legibility problem. I would advise against using the table itself in the article because of it's sheer size, and number of images. I would also suggest you leave the table on your user subpage just in case you need to make any corrections later. If you do decide to dive into this, I shudder at the amount of tedious labor that lies ahead of you. You're a more dedicated Wikipedian than me ;-) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 12:53, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::Aww shucks :) I was just trying to find the easiest path for the other editors idea, I just know where to find the experts is all :) <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span><sub>[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]</sub> 15:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
== improve (lighten?) background ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]
'''Request:''' I like the picture of the man and the boy and that we can see the fluoride goop (that is the point). Background seems a little dark or distracting. If you can do anything to improve, 'preciated. (sorry, the request is not more definite, just see if any manuipulation is warranted. I have to display this small in article, so I like it to be clean and attention on the figures and the fluoride. [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 20:12, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
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My own opinion is that the image is fine just as it is. That said, I made a cropped version... a little tighter on the kid. Maybe that will do it for you without fiddling with a perfectly good image ;-) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 20:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:Cool. I just wanted to ask. I think I will stick with the uncropped for now. Like seeing both figures. Thanks man.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 21:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::I've lightened the image, adjusted the gamma, and slightly cropped the right side while retaining both figures in full. See if that makes it any better for you. If not, revert to the original image. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 22:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks man. I can't see a difference, actually. Am leaving your modified version as current. Thanks again. Peace.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 22:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::::To see a difference you probably should reload the page once of twice so that your browser displays the new version instead of the old one in your computer's cache. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 22:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Peachy, now the little black boy is a little quadroon. Centpacrr, do you ever just decide an image is good just as it is, or do you have the uncontrollable urge to fiddle with every single one that passes within reach? – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 22:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I must be a fiddler too, because I like the new lighter version. Looks like a black kid with light on his face, doesn't seem to have changed skin color. Anyhow, peace please. If the image people start hating me, that will be everyone at Wiki down on me. ;-) [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 22:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I wouldn't call you a fiddler... at this moment simply an enabler ;-) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 23:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
*TCO you have done absolutely nothing "wrong" or inappropriate here, and your requests will always be welcome and most appreciated. Please don't allow anything said by others in here drive you away or make this an uncomfortable experience for you. You originally asked for this image to be lightened which I did after after you had rejected the cropped version which was perfectly appropriate on your part as the requester. As I mentioned in my note above, you should also feel free to revert my version back to the original if you think it is not an improvement. That being the case, I really don't know what User:JBarta's issue is here. Digital image manipulation is a subjective "art" in which each of its practitioners are bound to have different views on what they think looks best. Each is, of course, perfectly entitled to his or her own views of that as am I. That being the case, the tone of how JBarta expressed his personal disagreement with my approach in his comment above is thus puzzling and ultimately unhelpful. (Calling a requester an "enabler" because he liked one version over another seems particularly inappropriate.) This project is not a "competition" with "winners and loser" -- at least not to me -- so in the future I would ask ''all'' contributors to please respect and assume good faith on part all the others to the project as I always try to do myself. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 23:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, my "tone" can be a little abrasive. I've heard that once or twice. I'd apologize, but what's the sense? I wouldn't really mean it and I'd just do it again another time. (I'm reminded of the guy who got thrown out of anger management classes... for being angry.) Hopefully the good outweighs the bad and the occasional help I volunteer makes up for my disagreeable disagreeing. And no TCO, ''you'' didn't do anything wrong... it's all Centpacrr's fault ;-) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I have gotten HUGE HELP from each of you. (JBarta just did a bunch of assists for me. He and I just like to joke around about things. He's the pretty girl at the bar and I'm the fat friend...we make jokes like that. ;-))
I want to keep the light color. I know the argument that it is a false manipulation, but the issue is that people are looking at it in article and it is small and embedded in text and seen on a computer screen(probably a flat panel display), so if it is a dark blotch, they may pass on looking at it. Like it clean and simple (so light is good).
I'm not even joking (don't hurt me Hammer!) but as long as we are "cheating", '''could you please cut the chair out that is above the man's face and just clone in some background or the like'''? [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 00:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::OK, give me a few minutes. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:11, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Without wishing to take sides I think that the lightened version is pretty awful. The adjustment has brought out some horrible banding on the floor and walls, and accentuated the colour artifacts in the boy's face and the man's hair. I also think that lightening the tone of coloured skin is a minefield. In this instance the photograph is well exposed (though perhaps taken from too close up) and the boy is a very natural tone. Even the flouride has changed so that it looks more like urine! I also disagree with removing the chair - it's a good way of setting a scene and the alternative (more floor?) would add nothing. I'll give it a subtle tweek myself. ..Not to scoff at Centpacrr's efforts! ''';-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 00:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::One of the mistakes that people make is to worry too much about how a thumbnail looks... sometimes to the detriment of the full size image. A thumbnail is just that, a thumbnail to be clicked on for the full image. If the full image suffers because you think a thumbnail looks better, then you have done a disservice to Wikipedia (in my abrasive opinion of course) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 00:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Neutral background version uploaded as requested. TCO, please feel free to accept or reject it. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I like the modified version. Thanks, man. (no offense to others that I have huge respect for). I just value the appearance in thumb. Have a busy article and cleaner, more simple pics help me. Again, mea culpa for the manipulation, but I like the effect in context. Now heading out to lift weights...peace.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User:TCO#Reviews needed|Reviews needed]]) 00:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Well that just went from bad to terrible. It's taking everything I've got to hold back and not revert the thing... – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 00:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Centpacrr, with all due respect, I would just clone the floor around to remove the chair, leaving the wall and other cute details (yes, there are some difficult spots, and not removing the chair is not a bad option :-). The blue background makes it look unrealistic - like a blue-screen shot staged for a movie, while the past background was very casual. [[User:Materialscientist|Materialscientist]] ([[User talk:Materialscientist|talk]]) 00:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::Not sure what that blue background is supposed to achieve! I've uploaded my own VERY SUBTLY adjusted image. The point, I think, is to remove artifacts and help focus the viewer's attention on the salient areas. The slight sharpening of an image may also help to improve the thumbnail, too. Each to his own, perhaps - revert if you wish. 'Peace out!' or some such. ''';-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 01:18, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::The neutral background version is what the ''requester'' asked for because it is the best fit for the way he is using it in his article. As he stated above, he wants a "neutral background" so that what is being illustrated (and the purpose of this image is to be an "illustration", not a "picture") is not lost in the thumbnail version on the page (see his comment above). Since this is TCO's illustration that he placed in his article, why not let ''him'' decide how he wants to use it to illustrate the point he is making instead of constantly second guessing what he as the requester wants. Again show a little good faith in TCO's judgement or you are just going to drive him and others away. Entirely too much kerfuffle has been made about this so please just give it a rest and TCO decide what he wants to use and respect his decision. He now has a variety of versions to pick from. Once he does so, leave it at that instead of trying to constantly impose personal views on ''his'' original work. I personally do not intend to do anything further on this particular illustration and I don't see why anybody else, except TCO, should either. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 01:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::''"Since this is TCO's illustration that he placed in his article"'' -- There's that [[WP:OWN|ownership]] issue rearing its ugly head again. Haven't we bed that one down yet? – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 02:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::With [[WP:AGF|all due respect]] Centpacrr, I ''did'' read the request and I compared all versions of the image ''before'' chiming in. And without wishing to sound egotistical, I have considerable experience of retouching, so when someone asks for a specific image adjustment I often offer the benefits of my 'wisdom' instead. I mean no disrespect when I say that a chromakey blue background is ''far'' from neutral. Anyway, I have uploaded my own effort, as you have done, and I don't intend to do anything more. There is no kerfuffle here. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 02:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::I have to say Nagualdesign, I'm not liking your edit much either. It's oversharpened and there are now white spots around the kids eyes. Seriously now, there is nothing wrong with the original image (other than somewhat high jpg compression). Can we at least agree that the original image is perfectly fine? Once we do that, then maybe we can claw our way up to telling the requester his request is flawed. Just because someone makes a request, that doesn't mean it's a good idea. And being the supposed "graphics experts" it seems to me that it's OUR responsibility to suggest what should or should not be done and offer our reasons why. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 03:55, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::Fair comment. And I totally agree that the original image is fine. I was trying to find a happy medium between the thumbnail and full-size image - trying to improve the thumbnail without deteriorating the full-size - without being too brutal (and without changing the boy's ethnicity - another thing we agree on!) as I interpreted the request to mean "make the people stand out more from the background. Perhaps I did go a little too far with the sharpening, but I must say that I was quite pleased with my blurring of the background. (I was trying to reduce the apparent focal depth, and hide the jaggies in the background.) ''Just because someone makes a request, that doesn't mean it's a good idea.'' Yes, that's what I was trying to say above. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 09:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
*By "his" article I mean that of the editors who have commented here he is the only one with a history of contributing to the article and its development. He is also the one who posted the image and asked for help with it to best use as an illustration. He asked for a more neutral background and I provided what I thought he wanted to which he replied ''"I like the modified version. Thanks, man. (no offense to others that I have huge respect for). I just value the appearance in thumb. Have a busy article and cleaner, more simple pics help me."'' Because of his intimate connection to, manifested interest in, and established status as a developer of the article, I think TCO's view as to how to use the illustration deserves defference of everyone in here just as I would deffer to any other editor in the same circumstances.
*As for background in digital image restoration and "retouching" I have been doing this professionally for more than fifteen years as you can see from my [http://digitalimageservices.com '''website''']. I repeat, however, this is not a "competition" so please don't treat is as such. TCO brought the illustration here and he should therefore be the final arbiter as to which one best serves the purpose that he is trying to achieve. As I have said several times now, he is free to accept or reject either of my two versions, those of any other contributor, or to use the original. But the choice should be up to him as the original requester and the party with the greatest interest in its use without that being hijacked by anyone else. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 03:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::I'm not sure why you thought I was treating this as a competition. I thought your original attempt was a bit slapdash is all, and I was merely trying to offer my own suggestion. To upload it I necessarily had to 'overwrite' yours, but I said beforehand what I was going to do and why, and the revert button is still fully operational. Seriously Centpacrr, nobody is having a go at anyone here and there's no need to get your hackles up. I'm sure you must agree that the 'lightened as requested' image was not one of your best. I totally agree that TCO should be free to choose whichever image, too (hence offering a choice), but I strongly disagree with the idea of "the party with the greatest interest" and especially with the word "hijacked"! Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, so I've said and done my bit. I was just trying to offer a 'third way', not play piggy in the middle. I don't want to get into an argument, thanks. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 09:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I was only looking to provide the original requester what he had asked for. When I did I then noted above ''"Neutral background version uploaded as requested. TCO, please feel free to accept or reject it."'' Three minutes later TCO replied in this thread ''"I like the modified version. Thanks, man. (no offense to others that I have huge respect for). I just value the appearance in thumb. Have a busy article and cleaner, more simple pics help me."'' which seemed to resolve the matter to his satisfaction. I would have had no problem whatsoever if TCO had rejected this or my earlier option which he also said he liked better than the original image.
:::My issue instead is with the dismissive and eldering tone taken by another editor who had commented to me (after his version had been rejected earlier by the requester) that ''"Peachy, now the little black boy is a little quadroon. Centpacrr, do you ever just decide an image is good just as it is, or do you have the uncontrollable urge to fiddle with every single one that passes within reach?"'' This comment is what "got my hackles up" as I found its tone to be disrespectful, condescending, and inconsistent with the collaborative spirit of the Wikipedia project. What struck me as "hijacking" was ignoring the requester's acceptance and preference for a neutral background illustration by it subsequently being reverted to what is essentially the original version that TCO had found wanting for the reasons he stated above. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 11:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure that JB's comments, ''"I wouldn't call you a fiddler... at this moment simply an enabler"'' and ''"no TCO, you didn't do anything wrong... it's all Centpacrr's fault"'' were lighthearted and firmly tongue-in-cheek, and his other observations were quite valid. Sometimes it's best to 'conscientiously object' to a request, especially when it comes to altering skin tone. Concepts such as not wanting to look at a ''"dark blotch"'' and liking it ''"clean and simple"'' obstensibly walk a fine line between acceptability and ''you-know-what''. Anyway, you've said your piece several times now, let's just forget about the whole thing, eh? Kind regards, [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 11:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I have no problem with differences in views among editors, only with the condescending and eldering tone with which they were expressed in this and a few previous instances by a small number of editors. I believe that all parties are now aware, however, that such an approach will not work in discussing WP issues with me and trust that it will no happen in the future. Thank you for your follow up here as I enjoy contributing my skills and experiences to this area on WP as I would be disappointed if I felt forced to decide to leave because of an uncollegial atmosphere. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 12:40, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I had to 'bitch slap' JB myself on day one. (''I'm exaggerating here for comic effect!'') He can be a very rude bwai sometimes. I quite like his humour though, and his candor, and you can't have candor without sometimes being condescending. Never mind, eh? ''':-)''' Also, I think that you'd uploaded your <s>chromakey</s> ''neutral'' version whilst I was still working on mine, so when I uploaded mine and came back here it may have looked like I'd ignored TCO's acceptance and just reverted your efforts. That wasn't the case at all, but I apologise for any confusion caused. Anyway, TCO seems to have made his mind up and it looks like I won, so ''screw you, assholes!'' (I jest!) [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 13:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Bitch slap? There's a personal attack in there somewhere. Might even be a little eldering. Such an approach will not work with me... – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 13:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I was trying to sound American. African-American I suppose. It all came across as terribly English though didn't it, what what? Seriously though, do try to be less uncollegial, old chap. You are anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctuous to have caused Centerparcs such pericombobulation. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 13:52, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::Centpacrr will come through this just fine. No worries. And I always wondered... are black people in England also African-American? Or maybe they are African-English? It's all so confusing. (And British humor is lost on we Ameicans. You made me look up words I've never heard only to learn they are from a TV show I've never seen. You Brits are a goofy bunch.) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 14:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::There's every kind of black person in England, from Indians to West Indians, but they're mostly descended from the waves of immigrants that came over in the past 60 years. Although there was a thriving slave trade in the UK (Liverpool docks are riddled with slave tunnels) once upon a time, there's very little evidence left. I suppose most Africans in the UK went home or emigrated to other countries, whereas in America they were kind of stranded, so they just asserted their American nationality. Also, any Africans that come to the UK now know exactly which country they came from, so they call themselves Nigerians or Eritreans or whatever. ...If you're interested, check out this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08 YouTube video], which features Hugh Laurie (Dr Gregory House) and Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean) in their native attire (circa 1987). We all dressed like that in those days. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 15:16, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
== Boyd, Brodie, Kibbey, Sloan, Baylor==
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File:James Harbottle Boyd outside Iolani Palace.jpg|Clean up some minor blemishes and dust on this photograph
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File:Lieutenant Colonel John Baylor.gif|Clean up noise and repair rim
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'''Article(s):''' [[James Harbottle Boyd]], [[Alexander Oswald Brodie]], [[Joseph Henry Kibbey]], [[Richard Elihu Sloan]], [[John Baylor]]
'''Request:''' Request next to images... [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 05:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{I take|PawełMM}}
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{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 21:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
== Watermarks Removal ==
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File:David Palmer US Open Jubilant.jpg|David Palmer
File:Willstrop Darwish.jpg|James Willstrop
File:Lee Beachill During US Open.jpg|Lee Beachill
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'''Article(s):''' [[David Palmer (squash player)|David Palmer]], [[James Willstrop]]
'''Request:''' Appreciate if the watermarks on each picture could be removed. Thanks a lot in advance. <font face="Segoe Script">[[User:Arteyu|<span style="color:red;font-size:100%;">'''Arteyu ?''' </span>]] [[User talk:Arteyu|<sub><span style="color:green">'''Blame it on me !'''</span></sub>]]</font> 15:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 19:18, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
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:Thanks man! (: <font face="Segoe Script">[[User:Arteyu|<span style="color:red;font-size:100%;">'''Arteyu ?''' </span>]] [[User talk:Arteyu|<sub><span style="color:green">'''Blame it on me !'''</span></sub>]]</font> 09:05, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
== fluorine piping in the lab ==
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File:Lab_fluorine_piping_(detail).jpg|{{Done}} Study by [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] 07:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
File:Lab_fluorine_piping_2.jpg|{{Done}} by [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]].
File:Lab fluorine piping cropped.jpg|{{Done}} by [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]]
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'''Article(s):''' [[Fluorine]]
'''Request:''' The shiny tank and the valves and pipes in foreground are the object of attention. Wonder if some manipulation can be done to reduce clutter apart from them. Maybe get rid of the air can to left, stick a blackboard on the wall behind, which is a posterboard now, etc. Use best judgment, but trying to focus on the tank and piping. I guess still making it obvious that it is a lab is fine, just wonder about the other clutter if it is a distraction. [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 03:41, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
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Here we go again ;-) I have to say, that your approach of wishing to manipulate these images in this fashion is unacceptable in my opinion. The result is a visibly doctored image that is inferior to the original. The fact that some editors may attempt to accommodate your wishes in this regard is not entirely helpful. That said, a bit of rotation in this instance *would* be helpful, and that I'm willing to do cheerfully. Rotation would indeed make it a ''better'' image. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 03:59, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:OK.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 04:07, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::{{Done}}: If there are specific items you wish to draw attention to in the image, you can do that quite easily in the image caption. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 04:13, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks, man.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 04:16, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:I disagree that wishing is unacceptable. I'd always recommend asking, provided that you are willing to take "no" as an answer under advisement. Conversely, I think that even a salesman should be willing to say "no" sometimes, if it's the right thing to do, but should always try to accommodate a client's wishes. In this instance, imagine if the photograph had been taken under exactly the same conditions but with a larger apperture (+shorter exposure) so that the background was all bokehed. That would have satisfied TCO's request. Now, creating a good depth map and using it to apply a lens blur in Photoshop can simulate this effect quite admirably (depending on the skill of the artist). The 'loss of information' involved in this process, given the purpose, would not equate to an inferior image. Quite the opposite, in fact. Also, half the fun of helping out here is to challenge myself, to try and increase my abilities, and because no money changes hands and edits can always be reverted there's tremendous freedom to experiment, IMO. And I always retouch photographs under a self-imposed Hippocratic Oath, so there's no need to admonish me. I'd only ignore you anyway! ''';-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 05:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::I've seen too many "improvements" actually make the image worse. I imagine the editor also suspects he's made it worse, but so wants to whip out his skillz that his objectivity gets skewed. Further, a grateful and encouraging requester simply exaggerates that loop. In my opinion digital improvement, correction and restoration are generally good things here, and digital manipulation and alteration are generally bad. Some may suggest it's purely subjective, and to a small extent it is... but largely, it's not. I think the best image improvements are ones that you don't even realize are there. At any rate, I saw this request as the start of a pattern that I thought was not good and wished to make my thoughts known. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 06:36, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I've made a study, TCO, to see if this helps meet your needs. You are, of course, free to reject it. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 07:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::::While that image does look quite "doctored" it's actually not that bad. I'm wondering about the coloring though. It's quite different than the original and is, dare I say, misrepresentative. Veers into the territory of "art" rather than remaining "encyclopedic". I might also suggest, that since it is a derivative of a commons image, the best practice would be to upload it to commons as a derivative of the original rather than to Wikipedia as an isolated image. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 07:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::This is only a [[Study_(art)|study]] for TCO to consider to see if this approach might help illustrate what he wants to show. It is not necessarily a "finished" image, and if it does not suit his purposes I intend to request its speedy deletion. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 07:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I've uploaded my own efforts, as I described above. I've uploaded it to a new file (including intermediate images) so that I'm not 'overwriting' anyone elses image, and I repeat, as before, that I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here. Nor am I ignoring Centpacrr's effort, which he uploaded whilst I was still at work. Nice aspect ratio, by the way - "The Golden Ratio"? ''';-)''' Use it or don't use it, I had fun trying. Kind regards, [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 07:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:Now that's not bad at all! Just when I think I have the world figured out, someone like you comes along and shows me that half the time I don't know what I'm talking about. Good job. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 07:56, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::Cheers. It took a few attempts to get the depth map right, because when you dial in the lens blur and hit 'go' it takes a few minutes to run - only to find out that you've missed something. The final depth map (which I also uploaded) isn't that intuitive, and the finished image isn't particularly realistic, but a blind man on a galloping horse wouldn't be able to tell that there's been any manipulation, eh? '''What say you, TCO?''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 08:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I've just read your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Photography_workshop&curid=24601843&oldid=473124247 comment] which you'd removed. You should have left it - your opinion is perfectly valid. Anyway, I just wanted to say that 'a blind man on a galloping horse' would be highly unlikely to notice ''any'' manipulation, or anything else for that matter! It would, however, be stretching it to claim that anyone else wouldn't spot the difference. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 09:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate all the help guys (and feel a little guilty for how much resources I consume at this desk, which I will keep doing as long as I get away with it!) Also, this is one desk that is pretty low drama and I am enough involved with other drama. Really love the specialists here and hope I can keep on good terms with all.
I prefer all the cropped ones because of the concentration on the stuff that is relevant to my article text. The Flickr uploader cared about all the aspects of the shot (including the air can), but I am using what is free and available (and there is not a lot) to show what I care about, so minimizing the air can, the background, the apparatus in upper right (which I am not even sure has anything to do with F) is helpful to me.
If I wanted to be super picky, I would ask for some amalgamation of the three cropped ones as they all have features I like. That said, honest I think we are spending enough time on this already. There are lots of other people that don't even do any graphics requests and I have burned up a lot of work time with an image that is pretty minor in the setting of my article. I'll just play with the 3 crops and pick one.
I hope I don't turn JB into hating me or reverting or edit warring my document. I know he knows a lot and value it. I wasn't kissing his ass when I said thank you on the wonderful work on the tables...I really meant the appreciation. I could not have done what he did...and what he did made my article look more organized.
I am trying to contribute and think I have done a lot to make fluorine article better (which is a huge view article and very important to education and even industry). I DO want to get others ideas and such...at the same time, I kind of think that articles benefit from at least pseudo owners. (I guess I am Wiki politically incorrect.) There are vast stretches of very important articles (huge viewing) that are far from completed compositions and I think allowing the person working on them some latitude is the best policy. The edit warring can be a real turnoff (for instance, I avoid any article with a name war or other things like that).
P.s. And this is minor (as I had space for this image) but in general wide aspect shots are preferred because they fit better within text wrapping.
[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 15:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:Here's a random comment by an editor who happened to see this discussion. It appears that [[:File:Lab fluorine piping cropped.jpg]] is the image that's currently in the [[Fluorine]] article and I perceive that it's the best image in terms of blurring out the irrelevant background. Could anything be added to the figure caption to state what that apparatus is actually doing? Otherwise the picture risks being perceived as eye candy. We know that handling fluorine is difficult, but you can handle it with the right metals. So what task does this apparatus actually succeed in doing? The line 'An angled view of some shiney valves and small tanks and hoses' seems like it's good for alt text but not for any actual explanation. Thanks, [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 17:48, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
::I have some content from Shriver's Inorganic Chem (has a half page talking through all the piping for F2 lab work). Let me see what I can do. (otherwise, I guess we could cut it.) [[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
== Miles Higson, Gemma Pranita and PJ Brennan ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[Miles Higson]], [[Gemma Pranita]] and [[PJ Brennan]]
'''Request:''' With Miles Higson could you crop to the right, up to his hands. With Gemma Pranita can you make a crop suitable for an infobox focusing on the upper half of her. With PJ Brennan can you crop the young lady, could you also rotate him to make him more vertical.[[User:Raintheone|'''<span style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</span>''']] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<font color="green">'''the 1'''</font>]]</small> 18:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::Thankyou Centpacrr for carrying out all three. :)[[User:Raintheone|'''<span style="color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman">Rain</span>''']] <small>[[User talk:Raintheone|<font color="green">'''the 1'''</font>]]</small> 20:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 20:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Danny Mac ==
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'''Request:''' Could this image be cropped to the man and slightly rotated. Thanks [[User:D4nnyw14|D4nnyw14]] ([[User talk:D4nnyw14|talk]]) 22:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
{{Done}}: I took the easy way out. Seems reasonably ok. I can't help but wonder if that girl knows half her snaps end up on Wikipedia... with her cropped out of them. (Bless her heart.) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 00:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks that's great, yeah shes knows that most of her photos end up here and that she gets cropped :P [[User:D4nnyw14|D4nnyw14]] ([[User talk:D4nnyw14|talk]]) 15:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
::I don't know anything about the show, but seeing as she's such a huge fan and seeing as her little bit helps promote the show and its actors, I think it would be cool in the extreme to see her get a bit part in one of the episodes. Maybe someone familiar with the show could try to make it happen. Just a thought... – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 17:09, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
== About NR Murthy ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[N. R. Narayana Murthy]]
'''Request:''' Remove the lower portion of the body, ensure that the face appears much bigger, since its a biography.--[[User:Kkm010|<font color="#FF033E">'''Kkm'''</font><font color="#008000">'''010'''</font>]]* <sup>[[User talk:Kkm010|<font color="#1034A6"><big>۩</big></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kkm010|<font color="#FF00FF"><big>۞</big></font>]]</sup> 18:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{Done}} by [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 19:39, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
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::Thanks.--[[User:Kkm010|<font color="#FF033E">'''Kkm'''</font><font color="#008000">'''010'''</font>]]* <sup>[[User talk:Kkm010|<font color="#1034A6"><big>۩</big></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kkm010|<font color="#FF00FF"><big>۞</big></font>]]</sup> 08:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
== Simple crop ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[National Register of Historic Places listings in Wisconsin]]
'''Request:''' Please chop off the bottom half, leaving the whole trail image but getting rid of the people. This double image came from a US government source; when I downloaded it, I had no way to download just the trail scene. Image quality is poor because it was a bitmap; I would have uploaded as a bitmap and requested a conversion, but unfortunately bitmaps aren't allowed. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 04:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
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{{Done}} Image quality is poor because somewhere along the line someone saved it as a highly compressed jpeg. Saving as a bitmap or being a bitmap has no effect one way or another on image quality. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 05:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:{{Done}}: Enhanced a little more. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 07:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Hey Quibik!''' The FFT you ran on the final image is good. Would you mind sharing your technique with us? I've read a few methods and there are a lot of plug-ins available but yours seems particularly impressive, not least because of its subtlety. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 11:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:I wondered the same thing. Digging into it, I think I figured out what he did. Using GIMP, I think he did a wavelet decompose and did FFT on the lowest wavelet (correct terms?) But there's where he lost me. How did he know to smooth the areas he did? What was the thinking behind it? (I barely know what I'm doing... sometimes I feel like a guy trying to do brain surgery with a wooden spoon.) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 12:39, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::What I meant about image quality is that the source image (although named ".jpg") is a bitmap, and before uploading it I had to convert it into a jpg in Windows Paint, which obviously isn't very good for preserving image quality. Thanks for the help! [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 01:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Both images referenced on the image description page ([http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/ssrs/attachments/3871.jpg],[http://www.fs.fed.us/r9/ssrs/originals/3871.jpg]) are in fact jpgs. In making my edit, I grabbed the larger image directly from the source web site, bypassing whatever you had done in Paint. At any rate, the image quality is poor because someone saved it at high jpg compression well before you did anything with it. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 03:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
== Duke Kahanamoku ==
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File:Kinau (head, 1837).jpg|Remove cut off individual at right with background instead
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'''Article(s):''' [[Duke Kahanamoku]]
'''Request:''' Please clean up minor blemishes and specks. [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 17:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{Done}} the second one. Might benefit from some FFT filtering ..if only I knew a good method. ''';-)''' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 23:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::I think it is a pencil drawing, so it's okay.
{{Done}} t'other one. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 23:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
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:{{Done|Redone}}: Cleaned. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 13:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::You've worked on the wrong version, Pawel. The point was to remove the cut-off individual on the right. Besides which, you won't see much improvement trying to remove noise from an image that's only a few dozen dots wide. The FFT filter I mentioned was to remove periodic patterns - those faint little squares whose edges you can see overlaid across the image. Could somebody please FFT filter the version I did and upload it, or else just revert. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 01:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:::{{Done|Redone once again}}: Cleaned the right version. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 07:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
== Ugly spots ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[Diana Hayden]]
'''Request:''' There are spots in this edited picture, whereas in the [http://www.filmitadka.in/images/joomgallery/originals/page3_parties_12/wake_and_walk_event_356/diana_hayden_20110104_1233687176.jpg original version] there are none. Please get rid of them by starting from the original version. --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 16:05, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
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{{Done}}: (Spots were in the original as well) – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 18:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
== Danny Mac, Matt Milburn, Sikander Malik and Kieron Richardson ==
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File:Danny Mac 2.jpg|Danny Mac
File:Matt Milburn.jpg|Matt Millburn
File:Sikander Malik.jpg|Sikander Malik
File:Kieron Richardson 2.jpg|Kieron Richardson
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'''Article(s):''' [[Danny Mac]], [[Matt Millburn]], [[Sikander Malik]] and [[Kieron Richardson]]
'''Request:''' Could these images be cropped to the males in each image and then rotated so they are less off centre. I'm not sure if the image of Sikander Malik will be to close to the girl to be able to be cropped, it was when i attempted it, if it is then leave it. Thanks [[User:D4nnyw14|D4nnyw14]] ([[User talk:D4nnyw14|talk]]) 00:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 02:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for that, the Sikander Malik crop is great. [[User:D4nnyw14|D4nnyw14]] ([[User talk:D4nnyw14|talk]]) 13:16, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
== Fix tilted horizon ==
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File:HowrahBridge Monsoonclouds.jpg|Monsoon clouds over [[Howrah Bridge]], [[Kolkata]]
File:Kolkata South Central CBD (11).jpg|Kolkata South Central CBD
File:View from South City Mall.jpg|View from South City Mall
File:India Education .jpg|India Education
File:Kolkatavsnl.JPG|Kolkatavsnl
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'''Article(s):''' [[Kolkata]]
'''Request:''' Would be great if the horizon was made level. Any other colour/contrast/brightness fixes welcome. [[User:Saravask|Saravask]] 06:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 07:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:Edit looks as good as it's going to get. Wonder if you could do the same for four more: [[:File:Kolkata South Central CBD (11).jpg]], [[:File:View from South City Mall.jpg]], [[:File:India Education .jpg]], and [[:File:Kolkatavsnl.JPG]]. I realise that these are not the best images, but they are all to be found in the same FA. Thanks again. [[User:Saravask|Saravask]] 07:39, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 10:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Great. Thanks for your help. [[User:Saravask|Saravask]] 03:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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== Toronto subway car: color distortion ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[H-series (Toronto subway car)]], [[Toronto subway and RT rolling stock]], and several on non-English Wikipedias
'''Request:''' For some reason the color in this image is significantly exaggerated. I've just done a web search for other images of these cars (which were just retired from service) and [http://torontoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/20120127-TTC-D4-Final-Run8-Corbin_Smith.jpg This one] from a web publication best shows what they really looked like. Please adjust the color in the Wikipedia image to resemble the other one.
Note: This is a shared IP address; please do not respond to this IP address's talk page, as I probably won't see it. Just please fix the image, or don't, as you see fit. [[Special:Contributions/142.205.241.254|142.205.241.254]] ([[User talk:142.205.241.254|talk]]) 23:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} Please advise if this accurately reflects the correct hues. <small>(If the colors appear unchanged just reload the page to be sure that you are no longer seeing the original version still stored in your browser's cache.)</small>[[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 00:16, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:Added note: Since posting the adjusted image I have shown both versions to a friend in Toronto who told me that some of the older versions of this model of subway car had red seats so the original version of the image may have been an accurate representation of the particular car photographed. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 01:15, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::Chalk me up as thinking the original is almost certainly representative of the colors at that time and place. I think the original photo is fine, though maybe could stand an ever-so-slight desaturation. Reminds me of the [[Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Photography_workshop/Archive/Nov_2011#From_dark_haired_to_blond|blond girl issue]] a while back. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 01:41, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:::My friend from Toronto told me that my color corrected version is more representative of how the majority of these cars appeared when taken out of service so that one would seem to be preferable to the older saturated one. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 02:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::::It's not just a matter of saturation, it's a matter of distinctly different colors. We have to ask ourselves, as an encyclopedia, do we owe the reader unadulterated photos, or doctored images showing things as we think they ought to be? I might also suggest that a clear photo of the car at a particular time and place is a reliable source (as WP defines it) and a friend of an editor is not. I think if it's felt the original photo is somehow misrepresentative, then a better solution than altering the photo is to find another photo that is believed to be more representative. In the meantime, the photo caption or description can explain that not all seats were red (or they are no longer red) if that's considered an important note. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 02:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I have tweaked the coloring of the seats so that it most closely matches that in all the other images I have been able to find of these cars. I have not found any other image matching the reddish tinting in the original version, and my friend in Toronto has not been able to be very specific as to what he means by "red seats" in older cars as he only remembers them as a child. Also the coloring in the original image seems to be unreliable as the yellow partitions by the doors are also different (tending orange) then those in any other images which also indicates that the colors in original picture are not accurate. The current version is thus the one that is best supported by the universe of available comparative images of the interiors of these now retired Toronto subway cars and needs no further adjustment. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 04:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::I tend to agree with Centpacrr here. There's nothing to say that the original image hasn't been doctored in some way, or that the whitebalance and other factors are a bit off (it's cetainly a little over-saturated). Provided that we are conscientious in our 'doctoring' - performing our due diligence in an attempt to be more ''truthful'' - we needn't worry about the provenance of a may-or-may-not-be ''reliable'' source. The camera lies. ..But it's when editors veer into non-reality that JB and I begin to agree that less is usually more. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 06:10, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Couple comments.... Wikipedia (for better or worse), is more interested in [[WP:V|verifiability than "truth"]]. This is very important. Also, viewing the [http://www.flickr.com/photos/denmar/118562264/meta/in/photostream/ exif data] of the photo we can see it was taken in 2006 by what appears to be a reasonably decent camera and no mention is made on the flickr page of altering the colors. The logical and reasonable assumption is that the photo accurately captures what was on that car on that date (plus some probable post-processing to enhance the colors). Now, if you wish to alter the image colors materially for whatever reason, I suppose that's fine, but at the very least it should be uploaded as a separate image and such modifications clearly noted on the image description page. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 08:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Making any such an assumption seems to me to be neither logical nor reasonable as there is no way to tell how white balance, color temperature, and/or any other adjustable parameter had been set when the image was made let alone how the raw digital file may have been manipulated subsequently. (The fact that the partitions are pale orange instead of yellow clearly indicates that the colors in the original posted file are false, and the exif data also shows that the file had been processed by Adobe Photoshop Elements 4.0 Windows.) All that I did to the image was adjust the hues to conform as closely as I could to those in all the other online images that I could find of the same type of Toronto subway car (such as [http://torontoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/20120127-TTC-D4-Final-Run8-Corbin_Smith.jpg '''this image''']) which I used as a guide to verify the accuracy of these adjustments. That, after all, is what the editor who posted the image had requested in the first place. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 09:25, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::I found [http://www.blogto.com/city/2012/01/a_last_ride_on_the_ttcs_h4_subway_before_its_scrapped/ this]. I would concede that this orange color could very well have been the color of the seats before the flickr photographer messed with the coloring. If you were to change the colors to match these images and note on the image description page what you did, why you did it and include a link to the images I mentioned, then that would be perfectly acceptable as far as I'm concerned. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 10:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Those are among the several images I used as a guide as well as [http://torontoist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/20120127-TTC-D4-Final-Run8-Corbin_Smith.jpg '''this one''']. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 11:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::But the seats in your current edit are distinctly brown. Can you change it to more orange as in the photos I mention (or even the one you mention). I stress orange over brown because I did notice a few references here and there to the old "orange bench seats". And in the link I just posted, if you scroll down there are some closeup shots of the seats which show them as definitely orange. Can you mimic that color? – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 11:13, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::Much better, though to my eye not quite getting the orangey color of the other photos. I took the liberty of making my own edit. Hopefully it captures the colors correctly. I also followed your suggestion in picking up the spilled coffee cup. Further, I edited the image description page so anyone wondering why the colors were changed from red to orange will get an explanation. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 01:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::In situations like this it's often best not to judge colour by eye. Human colour perception can be highly fallible. I've uploaded a version which I made with the assistance of the eyedropper tool and Info box (in Photoshop). That way I could read off the values in multiple locations as I was tweeking the adjustment, and make sure they accurately ''reflect'' the colours in one of the other photos. By 'reflect' I mean that it's also necessary to take the ambient lighting into account. Good call on the seat colours. Shame we had to upload so many different versions though. ''Little by little we progress.'' [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 04:02, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::The variations in shading in the images of the vinyl seat covering of this H4 car is all speculative, of course, as there were 78 of them built in 1974-75 and most remained in constant service for over 35 years. With three-and-a-half decades of wear, repair, replacement during routine maintenance, and periodic refurbishment, it is perfectly possible if not likely that the seats in this fleet could have looked quite different over the years. That being the case, any one of these versions (except probably for the original from flickr) is likely as "accurate" as any of the others and thus further speculative tweaking would pretty much be a waste of time. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 05:28, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Whilst I broadly agree with everything that you're saying I think it fair to point out that if we are going to 'transplant' colour from one source to another then we should do so as accurately as possible and hope that the source is good, otherwise we are simply producing a 3rd colour which is pure invention. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 05:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Please see the original posted request above. The requester pointed out that the seat color in the original flickr image was clearly way out of range and thus asked that it be adjusted to resemble as closely as possible that in an image representative of its known color range and that's all that I did. I wasn't trying to "invent" anything. The only "absolutes" in color are the wavelengths of the light (400 - 700 nanometers) that each absorbs and/or reflects. Everything else is the result of each individual's subjective perception and interpretation. [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 18:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
[[User:142.205.241.254|@142.205.241.254]], if the image definitely shows a Type H4 (and not a Type H2) it may be appropriate to request that the image be renamed. Unfortunately I can't remember how to do it and you (not being autoconfimed) might not be allowed. Perhaps you could tell us how you know that it isn't a H2, and somebody might be able to assist. [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 05:00, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:Anyone can request a rename by inserting a [[:commons:Template:Rename|<nowiki>{{rename}}</nowiki>]] template but only a [[:commons:Commons:File_renaming|filemover]] can actually rename the file and only if it follows the rename guidelines. If the name is misrepresentative of what the image actually is, then that's a perfectly valid reason. Before requesting a rename however it would be good to not only be sure, but to offer some sort of evidence that it's actually misnamed. Once a rename template is placed, it takes anywhere from a couple hours to a couple days for a filemover to wander over and either perform the rename, or remove your request with a reason why. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 06:55, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
* This is the original poster at a different (also shared) IP address. Thanks for the work, folks. On the monitor I'm now using the colors are a bit less saturated and it does look as though the one I first provided as a comparison sample was undersaturated (although the original version was clearly too saturated, as I said). Just shows how hard this sort of thing can be. Anyway, the present version is good, or at least close enough.
* As to the title of the page, I will tag it for renaming as suggested.
* Most of the current Toronto subway trains have red seats, but none of the H-series ever did. If someone is remembering an early train with red seats it would be the [[G-series (Toronto subway train)]].
* [[Special:Contributions/65.94.114.170|65.94.114.170]] ([[User talk:65.94.114.170|talk]]) 01:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
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'''Article(s):''' [[N. Chandrasekaran]], [[Adi Godrej]], [[Prithviraj Chavan]] and [[Gautam Adani]]
'''Request:'''
:1) For N. Chandrasekaran remove excess materials and ensure that the face appears bigger in his biography.
:2) For Adi Godrej remove excess materials and ensure that the face appears bigger in his biography.
:3) For Prithviraj Chavan remove excess materials and ensure that the face appears bigger in his biography.
:4) For Gautam Adani, remove Timothy Roemer and make sure that Gautam Adani's overall appearance and the face appears bigger in his biography.--[[User:Kkm010|<font color="#FF033E">'''Kkm'''</font><font color="#008000">'''010'''</font>]]* <sup>[[User talk:Kkm010|<font color="#1034A6"><big>۩</big></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kkm010|<font color="#FF00FF"><big>۞</big></font>]]</sup> 11:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' {{I take|PawełMM}}
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{{Done}}: Done as requested. [[User:PawełMM|PawełMM]] ([[User talk:PawełMM|talk]]) 14:53, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks!--[[User:Kkm010|<font color="#FF033E">'''Kkm'''</font><font color="#008000">'''010'''</font>]]* <sup>[[User talk:Kkm010|<font color="#1034A6"><big>۩</big></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Kkm010|<font color="#FF00FF"><big>۞</big></font>]]</sup> 04:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
== Untilt two photos ==
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'''Request:''' Would be grateful if these could be rotated until level. Second one is from a previous request; I just noticed it has a horizon that is still not true. Thanks. [[User:Saravask|Saravask]] 11:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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The horizon and tower in the second image are almost perfectly horizontal and vertical (within a small fraction of a degree). It looks tilted because of an optical illusion set up by the angle of the buildings and structures in the foreground. – [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta#top|talk]]) 11:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
:Right before I posted this reply, I scrolled the thumbnailed second image up until the horizon was flush against the top edge of my web browser's viewport—it was definitely tilted, because the horizon and edge where not parallel--off by a few degrees. Perhaps because of failure to cache-purge, I still saw the previous unrotated image. Then, I clicked to view the full-size image page; it was perfectly level. So the image wasn't purged/refreshed by the browser. Thanks for your help. [[User:Saravask|Saravask]] 17:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
== Amalienborg and Marble Church picture ==
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'''Article(s):''' [[Copenhagen]]
'''Request:''' Please can you brighten this image (or just the sky). [[User:000peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:000peter|Talk page]]) 20:23, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 20:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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:Thanks! [[User:000peter|Peter]] ([[User talk:000peter|Talk page]]) 20:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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