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== Padding ==
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I thought this padding issue had been resolved? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 00:09, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Me too, but then again I use a proper browser <
::Looks better. Cheers! [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 12:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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:Looks pretty good! But the colour of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Merseyside/Collaboration]] link suggests to me that you are not using this collaboration of the month thing, so maybe these should be fixed or removed? Ditto for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Merseyside/Merging]]. As you are using so many of the extended quality classes, I might suggest that it would be simpler to use them all and do away with the custom class that you have created. Regards, [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 23:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::I dunno, I'd prefer to keep things as they are in the current template - they can always be dealt with later. This is still a relatively new WikiProject after all. :) Since everything seems to be in order I'm going to go ahead with the switch. Cheers! [[User:Small-town hero|Small-town hero]] ([[User talk:Small-town hero|talk]]) 01:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
== Another Padding Comment ==
{{#invoke:WikiProject banner|main
|PROJECT = Tulips
|category=no
|BANNER_NAME = Something
|IMAGE_LEFT =
|IMAGE_LEFT_LARGE = 50px
|IMAGE_RIGHT =
|IMAGE_RIGHT_LARGE = 50px
|MAIN_TEXT = <div style="text-align: center;">'''WPBannerMeta'''</
}}
{{Tmbox
|image = [[Image:
|imageright = [[Image:
|text = <div style="text-align: center;">'''Tmbox'''</
}}
{{#invoke:WikiProject banner|main
|PROJECT = Tulips
|category=no
|small=yes
|BANNER_NAME = Something
|IMAGE_LEFT =
|IMAGE_LEFT_SMALL = 30px
|IMAGE_RIGHT =
|IMAGE_RIGHT_SMALL = 30px
|MAIN_TEXT = <div style="text-align: center;">'''WPBannerMeta'''</
}}
{{Tmbox
|small=yes
|image = [[Image:
|imageright = [[Image:
|text = <div style="text-align: center;">'''Tmbox'''</
}}
There's a little bit of a difference with the border on the left when comparing the WPBannerMeta and Tmbox template. Should a bigger left border be added to WPBannerMeta? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 13:20, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think the border should be bigger necessarily. But perhaps it ought to be the same as the border on the right, which it currently isn't (on my browser anyway). [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 16:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::The main difference is that the quality/importance rows have backgrounds that fill the entire cell; IMO it looks a bit wierd having a huge border between them and the banner border. I agree that the right image should have the same padding as the left image, I'll have a look at that.
:::I synchronised the padding left and right. What do people think about it overall?
::::Looks better now that left & right match. Not too bothered about matching with tmbox. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 19:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::There's a {{para|HOOK_NOTE}} parameter which can be used to add further notes. See example below: -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 13:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
<pre>
{{#invoke:WikiProject banner|main
|PROJECT = Tulips
|small = {{{small|}}}
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Could the WPBannerMeta/importancescale be altered so that "This article has been" is changed to "<nowiki>This {{#if:{{SUBJECTSPACE}}|page|article}} has been</nowiki>", so that it matches WPBannerMeta/qualityscale. Thanks. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 12:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}}
== A couple of things... ==
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Cheers! [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 17:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Point 1 has now been fixed I believe. I don't quite understand point 2: what do you mean by "forced comment message"? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 18:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::The "please leave comments [[avpoiaev|here]]..." message that appears if no comments exist and {{para|COMMENT_FORCE}} is set. Now disabled for Redirects and Disambigs. Any others?
:::Thanks for that. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 19:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
== Collapsed section ==
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Thanks. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Oops, that was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WPBannerMeta/core&diff=257981712&oldid=257931630 this edit]. Well spotted WOSlinker (what ''is'' a WOS linker?) [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 09:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::Well spotted. {{fixed}}
:Well, WOS stands for ''World of Spectrum''. When I first started, I was just adding links to a number of computer games articles. But since then I done a few other [[User:WOSlinker|things]]. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 11:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::You certainly have :) [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 12:06, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
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</pre>
However, not all projects use the same parameters (for example, some use B-Class-1, B-Class-2, etc.) so this may be incorrect. I was just thinking that [[Talk:East Prussia]] might really confuse someone who is trying to rate it as B-class. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 11:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:Ouch! I can see the issue, but I think trying to play with the default message is asking for a world of pain with optional parameters flying everywhere. Isn't the simplest method to make sure each banner supports this set of parameters, whatever their 'primary' parameters may be?
::Yes, maybe, but that will involve updating all banners which use the checklist which could also be very painful! [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::There aren't actually [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fbchecklist&namespace=10 that many] of them.
::::Okay, this should be possible then. Shall we just change any non-standard ones to
<pre>
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</pre>
::::etc. I've noticed some using B1, B2, etc. I suppose parameters are case=sensitive? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 17:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes, that looks good. Parameter ''names'' are case-sensitive, although the parameter ''values'' are not.
::::::Huh? That doesn't sound right. Parameter values ''are'' case-sensitive, otherwise we wouldn't need to use constructs such as <nowiki>{{lc:{{{class}}} }}</nowiki>. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 10:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry, I meant that parameter values are case-insensitive ''because'' we use the lc: construct everywhere <
{{done}}. All banners using the checklist have been fixed, and the documentation has been updated to prevent this problem in the future. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 16:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
== class=Image ==
Would it be possible for class=Image to also recognize class=File after our namespace change? Just a thought. [[User:Stepshep|<
:Yes <
::Thanks. [[User:Stepshep|<
== <nowiki>listas={{{listas|}}}</nowiki> ==
It says in the template doc that <nowiki>listas={{{listas|}}}</nowiki> is required for the template to work. I was wondering if this changes means that {{tl|OH-Project}} needs updated to include this? Is this a recent thing? I don't remember it always being required or even existent. [[User:Stepshep|<
:This functionality should really be included in all banners, notwithstanding the fact that it is currently broken <
::If you could include it that'd be great and I'd be more than happy to doc it. I just can't touch the template in its current state... Thanks. [[User:Stepshep|<
:::{{done}}
::::Thanks. [[User:Stepshep|<
:::::I have found a number of instances where the WP Greece banner does explode if it does not have a value for the listas parameter but a banner above it, especially WP Biography, does have a value for the listas parameter. It is not a pretty sight.
:::::I firmly believe that all banners should use the listas parameter, rather than the hodge-podge that now exists. I further believe that all banners should have nested=yes.
:::::Although I am working to clean it out [[:Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts]] may have examples of the above. Within the last 12 hours a bot has completed the listas parameter in only the WP Biography template. See what a mess can be made.
::::::[[User:JimCubb|JimCubb]] ([[User talk:JimCubb|talk]]) 16:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::The {{para|nested}} parameter is completely superfluous on WPBannerMeta banners; you can include or not include it at your pleasure, but if you experiment you'll see that it has no effect whatsoever: moving a WPBannerMeta banner inside a banner shell collapses it [[d:automagically|automagically]]. As for listas, note that this functionality is currently somewhat broken (see [[#listas functionality]] below; we're waiting on a MediaWiki configuration change that will make it much easier to fix listas conflicts both here and with other banners. Your comments in that thread would be very much appreciated.
== listas functionality ==
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On the to-do list, there is '''check listas functionality'''.
It looks to me as it's not quite doing which it should be. Although there is some code in WPBannerMeta/core which does <
}}</nowiki>'''</
I think if <
}}</nowiki></
Would that be better?
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-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 19:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:The todo should probably be "''fix'' listas functionality", it is currently as you say completely broken. I'm actually waiting for {{
::No pressing need, although if you moved the <
:::On the contrary, you'd have to pass 'listas', defaulting to <
::::I'm meaning after {{
:::::Ah, I see. Then yes, as you say, after the bug is fixed it will be very easy; move the listas code as you say, and remove all the sorkeys from all the subtemplates.
== COLLAPSED_TEXT issue ==
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-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:Hmn... This probably masks a deeper problem (like why collapsible notes and the collapsible text are in the same collapse box to start with...). I'm wondering (entirely unrelated to this) whether to spin off the C_NOTES as a hook and add some more normal notes and taskforces instead, since they seem to be far more popular... something to investigate. Thanks for the fix though.
::On a slightly separate note, I've created a new hook at [[:Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/todolist]] which can be used to replace a lot of the uses of collapsible text. I've got a list of about 20 or so banners which are using collapsible text which I could convert over to this hook. It also allows for more than one collapsible text section by just adding the hook twice. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:55, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::I've now converted all those templates I could find that were using COLLAPSED_TEXT over to this new hook. Perhaps you could add a tracking cat to see if anything is left using COLLAPSED_TEXT and also add some protection to the hook template. Thanks -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Done, enjoy [[:Category:WPBannerMeta banners using collapsed text]]. They're sorted by namespace.
Just remove <
:But then it won't collapse inside banner shells. Kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater <
==
In order for this project's assessments to be properly tallied and logged per the [[WP:1.0]] team, it needs to be revamped so that it uses the {{tl|WPBannerMeta}}template for its tag. So I need this template converted over to WPBannerMeta, can anyone help? --[[User:Jerem43|Jeremy]] (<small> [[User Talk:Jerem43|Blah blah...]]</small>) 07:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
:I see you've already made a start in
:Also, Template, Redirect, Cat & Dab classes are listed on the
I had just copy and pasted the basic template to the page before I went to work, I am looking to use the full extended WP:1.0 assessments in the template. I was going to work on it in my spare time in the next couple of days. --[[User:Jerem43|Jeremy]] (<small> [[User Talk:Jerem43|Blah blah...]]</small>) 05:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
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What does the listas parameter do for WPBannerMeta?--[[User:Ipatrol|Ipatrol]] ([[User talk:Ipatrol|talk]]) 20:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:It kind of works as a defaultsort for banner categories. For a working verson check out {{tl|WPBIO}} [[User:Stepshep|<
== extra | in importance ==
High, mid and low importance ratings have gained an extra | in the rating box, eg [[Talk:Australian dollar]]. [[Template:WikiProject Business & Economics]] is particularly badly affected, with some text missing eg [[Talk:Bank of New York Mellon Corporation]]. [[User:TRS-80|TRS-80]] ([[User talk:TRS-80|talk]]) 18:16, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{Fixed}} nothing to do with WPBM: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&offset=20090111182606&limit=6&target=Happy-melon].
== Quality Hooks ==
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Currently, there are two hooks for adding extra quality scales into a banner: {{tl|WPBannerMeta/hooks/qualitycats}} and {{tl|WPBannerMeta/hooks/additquals}}. Just wondering if there is really a need for both versions. We just really need one. Which one is best? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 09:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:/aditquals is less cleanly-coded (missing case-insensitivity, etc), but /qualitycats can only handle one set of categories at a time. Which one is more widely used?
:: All there appears to be is one use of each: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fhooks%2Fqualitycats&namespace=10 qualitycats], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fhooks%2Fadditquals&namespace=10 additquals]. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 10:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::It was a pretty marathon effort (I had about ten catgory warning boxes under the template at one point!) but I converted WPBeatles to use /qualitycats, so /additquals is unused. Msjg, do you mind if we delete in the interests of cleanliness, rather than redirecting?
::::You've gone and used {{tl|WPBannerMeta/qualityscale}} in WPBeatles. So do we actually need either hook? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 12:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Argh! On a pure technical level, no we don't, in the same way we don't ''need'' /hooks/notes or /hooks/taskforces. They're just wrappers for the internal templates. But they're wrappers that we need, because otherwise if we change the way things feed into the internal subtemplates, we have to update every banner that calls the subtemplates directly. If there's a complete and consistent 'shell' around the 'core' functions, we only need to ensure that the two interface ''with each other'' properly, and don't have to go hunting all over wikipedia to find the wierd and wonderful ways people have used the core templates directly. So while they might just be wrappers at the moment, it's still important to have them, and use them. So I've updated WPBeatles, and fixed the /hooks/qualitycats documentation that prompted me to use the internal template in the first place <
No, I don't mind. It's good to be clean. A problem with the Beatles template, as I noted [[Template_talk:WPBeatles#Quality_and_importance_scales|here]] last year is that FQS is selectively used. I don't think you have sorted this problem yet. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks. Indeed not, that's a problem, and one that's become ''more'' difficult to fix with the new class masks... Hmn....
::Of course, if you call the taskforce hook, you can specify FQS separately. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
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{{tlx|WP Crime|category=no}}
:That was quick! [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::I'm bored <
== WPBannerMeta/hooks/priorityscale ==
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to
<pre> |importance={{WPBannerMeta/importance|{{{importance|}}}|{{{class|}}}}}</pre>
as currently, it's use on {{tl|WikiProject Business}} doesn't quite work properly on some pages.
Thanks.
(PS: Once it's fixed, {{tl|WikiProject Mathematics}} could also use it)
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:Also, PROJECT_LINK can be removed as it doesn't do anything. And is there any reason why SHOW shouldn't always be YES and not a parameter as well? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 21:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::The 'invisible' version is used on eg {{tlx|WPBeatles}}. Rest is {{done}}
Just wondering if the following would be better, which would then show the scale on the template page (as the importance scale usually is).
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-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}}, kinda. I tweaked the code a bit to remove duplication, but it's essentially yours. Good idea: we should try and do that for the other hooks as well.
== Documentation and To-Do Lists ==
Someone might want to change the Documentation from showing to-do lists as to be done with <
:Hi, I've changed the docs for that section a bit & added a note about the hook for todo lists. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 07:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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</pre>
thanks -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 12:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:I know, why don't we add tracking categories to monitor ''every'' parameter... <
What's the rationale behind all this converting of collapsed things into hooks? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:If they're not widely used, the code bytes would be better off given over to extra taskforces, which I ''know'' are in heavy demand (and are more complicated to hook, since they need two separate hooks). I should say, WOSlinker, don't change anything ''yet'' until we see how many templates actually use the cnotes.
::I won't change anything yet. If we go ahead with the change though, the docs could be simplified to the following:
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which would move this into a centralised position within the actual comments box? In either case, note the unnecessary extra space preceeding the {{tlx|·}} templates. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 19:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:IMO, it was better before (apart from the spaces before {{tlx|·}}). —[[User:Ms2ger|Ms2ger]] ([[User talk:Ms2ger|talk]]) 20:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Reverted. What does everyone else think?
:::Could we see the two options side by side? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 09:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
This should give you a rough idea...
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<table class="collapsible" style="background:transparent" width="100%">
<tr><th style="background:#F8EABA; text-align:left; padding:0px;">'''Comments:''' <sup class=plainlinks>[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|action=edit}} edit] {{·}} [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|action=history}} history] {{·}} [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|action=watch}} watch] {{·}} [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} purge]</sup></th></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left; padding:0px; background-color:white; border:1px solid #c0c090; padding:5px; margin-top:5px;">{{ {{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments}}</td>
</tr></table>
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<table class="collapsible" style="background:transparent" width="100%">
<tr><th style="background:#F8EABA; text-align:left; padding:0px;">'''Comments:'''</th></tr>
<tr><td style="text-align:left; padding:0px; background-color:white; border:1px solid #c0c090; padding:5px; margin-top:5px;"><sup class=plainlinks><div style="text-align: center;">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|action=edit}} edit]{{·}} [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|action=history}} history]{{·}} [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Comments|action=watch}} watch]{{·}} [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=purge}} purge]</
</tr></table>
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::(ec) Actually, it seems that {{tl|D&D}} has been altered to allow Bottom-importance anyway, so unless other projects want this it's a moot point. -[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|talk]]) 14:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks Martin! -[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|talk]]) 14:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't have a problem with using custom importance masks ''per se'', just that coding it into the banner itself is computationally very expensive and fiddly, since a correct importance definition requires the class value to have ''already'' been normalised; either we create ''two'' layers of normalisation before hitting the actual code (messy), or we re-normalise the class value every time we need it for importance calculation (expensive because we have to use #ifexist:). In the situations where a banner is custom-coded to use an importance mask, that's not a problem, because you ''know'' that the custom mask will be there, you don't have to check for it. I've tweaked our own /importancescale subtemplate so you can call that instead of a D&D custom one; I'll have a think and see if it's possible to be more elegant than what you've done, but it's a perfectly satisfactory solution. Good thinking, too.
:::::I'm entirely willing to believe that it's difficult! But I don't quite understand. Importance depends on class but class does not depend on importance. So check the class first, then check the importance. Why would you need to do it twice? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 15:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hang on, I've got it. It would need an "intermediate" layer before the core. Yes, fiddly. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 15:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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[[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 14:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{fixed}} good spot.
Unrelated error: AUTO_ASSESS_CAT is passed to core, but is not used. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 15:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::Needed a general overhaul <
:::Excellent. You're on form today. Umm, request two headers up? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 16:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and is there any advantage in being able to specify NO auto-assess category? For example COMMENTS_CAT=none allows that. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 16:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::::That's on the todo list somewhere... during the next blue-moon season... <
== Chemical Element ==
I'm working on getting {{tlx|Chemical Element}} to use WPBannerMeta at [[User:Peachey88/Sandbox/016]] but i don't think it's possible because it sticks the articles in multiple categories based on its rating, for example a FA class article would be in the following categories ''<
This should help:
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</pre> -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 07:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Use {{tlx|WPBannerMeta/hooks/qualitycats}} instead of this direct call. The principle is the same, however.
== Some notes and a question ==
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'''Current'''
{{#invoke:WikiProject banner|main
|PROJECT = Tulips
|small = {{{small|}}}
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|listas = {{{listas|}}}
|NAME = The Tulip taskforce
|IMAGE_LEFT =
|IMAGE_LEFT_LARGE = 50px
|HOOK_BOTTOM =
}}
'''Sandbox'''
{{
|PROJECT = Tulips
|small = {{{small|}}}
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|listas = {{{listas|}}}
|NAME = The Tulip taskforce
|IMAGE_LEFT =
|IMAGE_LEFT_LARGE = 50px
|HOOK_BOTTOM =
}}
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:This looks promising. The bottom version does look okay. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 15:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::Finally! The sandbox version works great! This has been bugging me almost since this template hit the market it seems. [[User:Stepshep|<
Seems our spiritual leader is not around today. WOS, if you are confident that this will work then you could put an editprotected up. Apart from it looking fine on both browsers I have access to, I don't know enough about it to comment further. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 20:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:Does the problem still occur now I've made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fcore%2Fsandbox&diff=264673287&oldid=264543469 this] tweak?
::Nope, that's broken it. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 18:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:::How interesting. How about [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fcore%2Fsandbox&diff=264715302&oldid=264673287 the other part]??
::::Yes, that's looking okay. Why don't you install IE to test it :P [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::True... well {{fixed}} in {{tlx|td}}, so hopefully the live template is sorted.
::::::All looking good from this end. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 11:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Looks good here too. [[User:Stepshep|<
== Comments' <code>colspan</code> ==
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:In {{tlx|{{PAGENAME}}/core}}, there's also a <code>colspan="2"</code> that I think needs changing as well. <small>(The hide button moves on [[Talk:Banksia brunnea]] in IE)</small> -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::{{fixed}} both. Took me a while to work out why the one in /core needed to be 3, but it's cos /note uses three columns.
Suggestion: I've been thinking about creating a subpage for bug reports. Non-controversial things which otherwise clog up this discussion page. Thoughts? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 17:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:There isn't really much that goes on on this page that ''aren't'' bug reports <
::I'd be more in favour of slowing the bot down actually! There is a discussion near the top of the page which hasn't reached a conclusion yet (I added an edit the other day to stop it being archived). There are some little things I find (e.g. small non-urgent errors) which don't need the attention of this page. But let's leave for now then. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
== More on priority vs importance and hooks ==
While the [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/priorityscale|hooks/priorityscale]] now works better, it's still not that simple to use and also end up in needing to duplicate parameters in the banner code.
I know it's been mentioned before, but it would be really nice if there were options for a priority scale in the main banner as it would be easier to use (especially for anyone who hasn't used WPBannerMeta much).
<pre>
|PRIORITY_SCALE =
|priority={{{priority|}}}
</pre>
and then in /core the code could be placed between IMPORTANCE_SCALE & HOOK_IMPORTANCE.
<pre>
{{#if:{{{PRIORITY_SCALE|}}}|
{{WPBannerMeta/importancescale|IMPN=priority|importance={{WPBannerMeta/importance|{{{priority|}}}|{{{class|}}} }}|SHOW=yes|BANNER_NAME={{{BANNER_NAME}}}|ASSESSMENT_CAT={{{ASSESSMENT_CAT|}}}|ASSESSMENT_LINK={{{ASSESSMENT_LINK|}}}|PROJECT_LINK={{{PROJECT_LINK|}}}|category={{{category|¬}}} }}
}}
</pre>
The HOOK_IMPORTANCE option would still stay as it could still be useful sometimes, but there wouldn't be as much need to use it most of the time.
Thoughts? - [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 09:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
:Or, since everything else is the same, the presence of those two parameters just prompts a 'swap' in what's passed to the first /importancescale. I can see that working. Please tell me no one uses a scale ''other'' than "importance" or "priority"?? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 10:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen a few <small>(only a about 3 or 4)</small> templates with a {{para|type}} parameter which is to be set as Template, Category, Portal, Image, etc. when the banner was used on a non-article talk page, but I don't think that's worth supporting as they should really be using the FQS instead. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 11:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
===It doesn't seem to need much doing to support priority:===
In [[Template:WPBannerMeta/core|WPBannerMeta/core]], could
<pre>
{{WPBannerMeta/importancescale|
</pre>
be changed to
<pre>
{{WPBannerMeta/importancescale|IMPN={{{IMPN|}}}|
</pre>
and in [[Template:WPBannerMeta|WPBannerMeta]], could
<pre>
|IMPORTANCE_SCALE = {{{IMPORTANCE_SCALE|}}}
|importance={{{importance|}}}
</pre>
be changed to
<pre>
|IMPORTANCE_SCALE = {{{IMPORTANCE_SCALE|}}}
|importance={{{importance|{{{priority|}}}}}}
|IMPN = {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{IMPORTANCE_SCALE|}}}}}|priority|priority}}
</pre>
then, to use it, all that would be required is <code><nowiki>|IMPORTANCE_SCALE = priority</nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki>|IMPORTANCE_SCALE = yes</nowiki></code>
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:Looks good. Would be good to support Priority with a capital P because I've come across that before. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::Priority with a capital P can be supported in the Project Banner with <code><nowiki>|priority = {{{priority|{{{Priority|}}}}}}</nowiki></code> -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 21:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You misunderstand. I saw a project (can't remember which now) which used, e.g. Low-Priority xxx articles, rather than Low-priority xxx articles. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 22:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::::I saw one project something similar for [[:Category:Evanescence articles by importance|Importance]] recently, so I've just put in a request for a [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy|speedy rename]] after I'd converted the banner. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::The only project that uses "Priority" is WikiProject Mathematics. We're not adding something for one project out of 1,400. There are 26 projects by my count that use "priority". You have an interesting idea here, WOSlinker. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 22:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
== Hooks and class masks ==
Question: should the class parameter be sent to hooks premasked, or should the hook pass it through the mask? It seems to me that the former is less user-friendly but is more efficient and also allows for custom masks to be used. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Hooks should be responsible for ensuring that all parameters are handled as they would be in the template itself. So hooks should assume that all parameters are being sent in un-normalised, in shorthand notation, and using inverted camelcase <samp>:D</samp>. Efficiency is secondary to user-friendliness here. Note also that calling {{tlx|WPBannerMeta/class}} from a hook actually ''facilitates'' using custom masks in the approved manner. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 23:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmm, if you look at my [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/qualimpintersect|category intersection]] hook, it would be necessary to call that mask three times! That's terrible efficiency ... [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 23:46, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::You might have to do qualimpintersect & qualimpintersect/core if you want to process it only once. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 00:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::That's certainly one solution; it's worked for the main banner <samp>:D</samp>. I might do that for /hooks/taskforces. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 00:05, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::You could also get them to show on the template page as well then which would be good. - [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 07:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, you two are good. Why didn't I think of that? I'll put my hook into a core straightaway. WOS, is there a way to do the templatepage stuff without affecting performance? I worry about having all the extra code on the hook. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:[[WP:PERFORMANCE|Don't panic]] <samp>:D</samp>. As long as the code isn't actually being ''parsed'' (and unfollowed parserfunction branches are discarded and not evaluated) you're only adding a few hundred bytes of dead code. The performance impact is minimal. It's only when you're A) adding those dead bytes innumerable times, or B) adding code that is parsed and ''then'' discarded, that you need to worry. It's a point that we all forget at various times. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 14:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ah, Happy-melon's favourite essay :P [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 14:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Actually my favourite essay is [[WP:SENSE]], although it doesn't actually say what most people think it does. I actually care more about performance than [[WP:PERFORMANCE]] really condones. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 14:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Right I am now sick of [[Template:D&D]]. I lost count of how many times I had to use the custom class and importance masks so I did something which is probably a Bad Idea: put the whole thing into a core. <s>It seems to be working except that the core doesn't think it's the templatepage and I can't work out why not.</s> Any help to make this code more efficient is definitely welcome! [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 14:53, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:And another thing which is completely annoying me. Sometimes it accepts D&D, other times you have to type D&D and there doesn't seem to be any logic to it. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 14:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
== Sandbox templates ==
How about putting the templates that are in /sandbox pages into a separate category, [[:Category:WikiProject banners under development]] say, instead of putting them into either of the two main categories. Could also do the same for any versions in the User space as well. What do you think? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea, but I'm not sure how you detect whether a page is in a /sandbox. Maybe the titleparts parser function? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 22:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::<code><nowiki>{{lc:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}</nowiki></code> can be used to detect if you are on a sandbox page. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I've created that cat & it is now populated. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:20, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Wow, great! [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 23:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::There are some in [[:Category:WikiProject banners with formatting errors]] though at the moment (due to the issue with the BANNER_NAME as you mention below) -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
On a related note, I would like to request the following. When BANNER_NAME = Template:XXX, the template will behave the same if it is in the sandbox, i.e. if the page name is Template:XXX/sandbox. This will help when moving a template from the sandbox into the main template. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 22:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}}. Note that my implementation breaks instances where {{para|BANNER_NAME}} is ''set'' as eg [[Template:WPAstronomy/sandbox]], these need to be fixed. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 16:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
::We have a small problem here on my own WikiProject's template. We have {{tl|WPAFC/project}} which is a separate banner to {{tl|WPAFC}}. (Finally sorted out for good that problem of separating the two types of article!) But now your tweak to implement the above is affecting this template ... [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 22:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Surely you can just set {{para|BANNER_NAME|Template:WPAFC}} and it will function normally, albeit by a somewhat counterintuitive method? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 22:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::No, because it's looking for the custom mask in the wrong place! [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 22:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::OH. <code>:X</code> Can't really think of how to resolve that without restricting the sandbox functionality purely to BANNER_NAME/sandbox pages, which is not desirable. You might have to move the template to {{tlx|WPAFC-project}} or somesuch. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 23:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::You should move it to {{tl|WPAFC administration}} (or something similar) and the redirect link would still be there. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I suppose I could ... but would it not be possible to interpret either the actual page name ''or'' the base page as the templatepage? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{fixed}}, although I see you've already moved the template. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 21:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
== B-class checklist ==
A couple of people have made a comment (and I agree) that the B-class checklist can be a bit confusing, mainly because the "B" is very prominent and it can give the impression of having two classes, or of having class B when it isn't. With this in mind I asked [[User:RobHar]] (who is good with images) to design something where the B is less prominent. He came up with
::{| cellspacing="0" style="width: 100px;"
| style="width: 45px; height: 45px; background:#c8fb7b; text-align: center;" | [[File:Bclass-checklist.svg|40px]]
|}
which combines the B with the magnifying glass and which I quite like. I suggest that when collapsed, the B-class checklist line takes just one line compared with two currently and that this image be used. Perhaps when it is expanded, the separate B and magnifying glass is used again (if this is possible). Thoughts? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 22:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:I ''love'' that, but please can we have it without the green background built into the image. We're moving towards having the colours coming entirely from CSS, which means they can be fully skinned. But if someone changes the B-Class colour (or if the default colour is changed) the image will look ''horrible''. But if we can have it with a fully-transparent background, then we're on to a winner.
:It's not possible to change the image when the collapsible section is opened. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 23:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Might have to purge your cache, but the background is gone. This might be my lucky day after all. I've been without InkScape for..geez, verging on two monthsish? Anyways, it's working now. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<sup style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Talk</sup>]] 00:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Great! Well done. Can we implement please? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::::{{done}} Looks great! [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 22:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Just saw the updated version on [[Talk:German Empire]] and the greens don't quite match.
*MediaWiki:Common.css - #B2FF66;
*Template:WPBannerMeta/bchecklist - #B2FF66
*Template:Cat class - #b2ff66
*Template:B-Class - #c2ff66
It's not actually an issue with the banner code, but actually to be a problem with [[Template:B-Class]] template. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:Further evidence of why we need these colours centralised. {{fixed}} in {{tlx|B-Class}}. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 23:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
::<s>I'm interested in why it's rated B-class and not all the criteria are checked</s> ... Secondly, my idea was that this could take up just one line when it was collapsed. Did you try this? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 23:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:::<small>Oops, that would be my fault as I converted this banner! [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 23:43, 21 January 2009 (UTC)</small>
::::On my screen it ''does'' take up just one line, although the row is slightly taller than the others thanks to the image. What screen resolution are you using? Or have I misunderstood you entirely? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 23:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::On mt screen, the cell is twice the height as the C-class box above it. Resolution currently 1280x800. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 23:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Appears to be double the class template size for me to; I also noticed on this particular banner the first [Show] is cut off. ([[:File:BannerMeta B-Class.png|Screenshot]]) Vista/IE7 1440x900 [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<sup style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Talk</sup>]] 01:16, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
It's not this particular banner. It seems to be on all those that use the B-class checklist. I can see it happening on, e.g. {{tl|WikiProject Iran}} and {{tl|WikiProject Nevada}} as well. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 08:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
<syntaxhighlight lang=wikitext>
{{WPBannerMeta/test|class=C|b1=yes|b2=no|b3=|cleanup=yes|~IMG_SIZE=30px|category=no}}
{{WPBannerMeta/test|class=C|b1=yes|b2=no|b3=|cleanup=yes|~IMG_SIZE=25px|category=no}}
{{WPBannerMeta/test|class=C|b1=yes|b2=no|b3=|cleanup=yes|~IMG_SIZE=20px|category=no}}
{{WPBannerMeta/test|class=C|b1=yes|b2=no|b3=|cleanup=yes|~IMG_SIZE=15px|category=no}}
</syntaxhighlight>
Here are a few different sizes of image. Which one is preferred? <s>I would also quite like to find a way of centering the "B" within the box, but we can play with that once we have a good size.</s> Preferences? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 12:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:Third one down? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 14:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::Could we have one where the [Show] for the checklist isn't cutoff? [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<sup style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Talk</sup>]] 22:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:::We could, yes, but it's so much cooler to only show the "sh", don't you think? <samp>:D</samp> Of course we can try and fix it; I'll see what can be done (or you can have an experiment yourself). As to ''this'' question, though, which image size do you prefer? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 08:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hehe, 3rd one down. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<sup style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Talk</sup>]] 22:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think I've now fixed the cutting-off issue. Does it look ok in all your browsers? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 21:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Looks great. 01:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
== /istemplate ==
Is a new subtemplate that takes {{para|BANNER_NAME}} and {{para|category}} and returns "yes" if it thinks the banner being rendered should display as an 'all options showing' example ''a la'' its appearance on template pages (null otherwise). This is to make it easier to be consistent in separating templatepage demonstrations from 'real' templates, and to make it easier to improve thsi functionality at a later date if desired, without having to chase things all over the code.
A couple of consequences: first, there's now no excuse for us not to add 'all options showing' examples to all hooks. I've done a few already, let me know if I miss any. Secondly, it means that we now need to pass {{para|BANNER_NAME}} pretty much everywhere, so we need to update docs etc, and existing banners, to make sure that examples are shown when they've been coded.
Thanks for all your help as always. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 22:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:The change you did to hook/peerreview didn't make it show in the templates but I've got a [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/peerreview/sandbox|sandbox version]] that works. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
::If you wanted to make the /istemplate, work with Martins {{tl|WPAFC/project}} banner, the following code should work.
<pre>
{{#ifexpr:({{#ifeq:{{{BANNER_NAME}}}|{{FULLPAGENAME}}|1|0}}+{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{BANNER_NAME}}}/sandbox}}|{{lc:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}|1|0}})*{{#ifeq:{{{category|¬}}}|¬|1|0}}|yes|<!--no-->}}
</pre> -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}}, kinda. It works, anyway. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 21:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
== Peer Review ==
I've been through the list of banners using the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fhooks%2Fpeerreview&namespace=10 peerreview hook], to add the <code><nowiki>|BANNER_NAME={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> parameter to them so that they show on the template page.
However, it looks like a large number of them don't actually use the peer review system as they just have a red link to a peer review page:
*[[Template:WPReligion]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Ukraine]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Indiana]]
*[[Template:JWProject]]
*[[Template:WPAM]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Nepal]]
*[[Template:WP Bhutan]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Austria]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Colombia]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Iceland]]
*[[Template:Finland]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Estonia]]
*[[Template:WPGC]]
*[[Template:WPES]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Greenland]]
*[[Template:WBLA]]
*[[Template:WPMASH]]
*[[Template:WPMP]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Artix Entertainment]]
*[[Template:Biota of Great Britain and Ireland]]
So, should they be removed from those templates?
Also, there were 4 that were edit protected, so I couldn't do them immediatly:
*[[Template:Philosophy]]
*[[Template:WikiProject Television]]
*[[Template:OH-Project]]
*[[Template:Fishproject]]
If Happy-melon could do them, that would be great. If not then I'll do some editprotected requests later on.
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}} the {{para|BANNER_NAME}} for the protected banners. I'd fully support removing any unused functionality from banners; after all, that's what this whole project is about. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 21:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'll leave them a few days and then if nobody has fixed any of them, then I'll remove. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 21:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Instead of removing the peer review section from the banners listed above, I've just changed the link to [[Wikipedia:Peer review]]. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 19:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
::::If the peer review departments are redlinked, then the project ''clearly'' doesn't use peer review, so there's no point having it in the banner. When an article goes for a wiki-wide peer review it gets a separate banner on the talk page anyway. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 14:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
== B-Class assessment system ==
Would it be possible to add a hook for a B-Class check-list, like on the [[WP:MILHIST]] banners? That looks useful, and could come in handy. I can't code hooks, so I can't do it myself. '''[[User:Dendodge|<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:red">dodge</em>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Talk]]</small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Dendodge|Contribs]]</sup> 12:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:How about {{para|B_CHECKLIST|yes}} <samp>:D</samp>
{{#invoke:WikiProject banner/sandbox|main
|category=no|small=yes
|class=B
|B_CHECKLIST=yes
|QUALITY_SCALE=yes
|PROJECT=Tulips
|BANNER_NAME=Template:WPBannerMeta/sandbox
|IMAGE_LEFT=Tulipa suaveolens floriade to Canberra.jpg
}}
:[[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 14:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
::/me feels stupid. '''[[User:Dendodge|<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:red">dodge</em>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Talk]]</small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Dendodge|Contribs]]</sup> 16:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I've just ammended the above example to highlight a potential concern. Is there not a better way to display the B-Class checklist instructions when the banner is set to small? [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 16:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
:I've made ''an'' improvement, although it still makes the banner wider when it's uncollapsed. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 16:57, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
== Portal link ==
Would it be possible to add a parameter that supresses the portal link when a banner is set to small? [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 17:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sure that's possible, but if you're complaining about how text gets squashed up, try adding <code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|{{-}}|}}</nowiki></code> to the top of the main banner text. That fixes it (I know because I did it to {{tl|WPBeatles}}). '''[[User:Dendodge|<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:red">dodge</em>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Talk]]</small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Dendodge|Contribs]]</sup> 19:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
::Not to worry, an #ifeq: parser function did the trick. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 19:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Nooooo! {{done}} in /core, no need for scary hacks like that <samp>:D</samp> [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 23:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Many thanks! [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 23:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
== Importance parameter in [[Template:WikiProject Korea]] ==
I'm keen on getting this banner converted to the meta, and have been putting some finishing touches to the sandboxed version. However, another check of the current template code shows that it accepts multiple values for the {{para|importance}} parameter, i.e.
|1|1ST|1ST-RANK|TOP = Top
|2|2ND|2ND-RANK|HI|HIGH = High
|3|3RD|3RD-RANK|MID|MEDIUM = Mid
|4|4TH|4TH-RANK|LO|LOW|5|5TH|5TH-RANK|VLO|VERY LOW = Low
Is it possible for the meta to handle these, or will existing transclusions need to be fixed? [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 20:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
You should be able to use:
<pre>
|importance={{#switch:{{uc:{{{importance|}}}}}
|1|1ST|1ST-RANK|TOP = Top
|2|2ND|2ND-RANK|HI|HIGH = High
|3|3RD|3RD-RANK|MID|MEDIUM = Mid
|4|4TH|4TH-RANK|LO|LOW|5|5TH|5TH-RANK|VLO|VERY LOW = Low
|#default={{{importance|}}}
}}
</pre>
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Many thanks! [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 21:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
== Categorisation issues ==
While I'm pretty much a convert to the benefits of the meta, one of the few reservations I have left is the categorisation for the non-standard classes. As I understand it, the meta will only accept categories such as:
<blockquote>Category:Category-Class fooian articles<br />Category:Template-Class fooian articles</blockquote>
etc. While this may be the ''de facto'' naming convention for such categories, it's also wildly inaccurate; these are not ''articles'', after all. Is there any way for the meta to resolve this? [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 15:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:The way to resolve it would be to rename all 10,000-odd categories that use that naming convention. I agree that it is counterintuitive, but it is the most common syntax in use today. Which is more important, being semantically ''correct'' or being semantically ''consistent''?? What ''harm'' does it do to have the categories follow an admittedly anachronistic naming convention? More importantly, what convention would you propose to replace it? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 15:32, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
::There is still a significant minority of projects that use a mix of categories such as:
::<blockquote>Category:Start-Class fooian articles<br />Category:Template-Class fooian pages</blockquote>
::where appropriate, but as I said, I believe the meta is unable to handle such a combination. The proliferation of these semantically incorrect categories is in part due to the meta where converted banners have had to drop one categoriation scheme in favour of another. Admittingly it is a rather harmless problem, though it's possible that some might consider such clumsy naming a dealbreaker when it comes to conversion. Personally I would place a higher value on being sematically ''correct''. :) What I'm really asking is this: how feasible would it be to have the meta use ''article'' and ''page'' interchangeably depending on the class being used? [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 16:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just a small comment, In [[:Category:Template-Class articles]], there are currently 645 categories ending in "articles" and only 36 ending in "pages". -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 18:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Outdent, If you relly want to look at inconsistencies, why does -Class use a capital letter and -importance use a lowercase letter? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 18:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
== Template:WikiProject Belarus ==
This template seems to be broken, in that it no longer categorizes articles by class and importance. I don't understand template syntax well enough to fix it. Could someone please take a look? --[[User:Stepheng3|Stepheng3]] ([[User talk:Stepheng3|talk]]) 21:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:I've added in the importance & quality scales -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 22:50, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::That's better. Thanks. --[[User:Stepheng3|Stepheng3]] ([[User talk:Stepheng3|talk]]) 01:42, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
== Two unrelated questions ==
#How long should it take for categories to be populated by a template? I've heard about this "one-month decaching time" but I admit I have no clue about this. Here's an example though. [[Template:Carnivorous Plants]] was converted on 20th December, but there are still 339 articles in [[:Category:Stub-class carnivorous plant articles]], compared with 190 in [[:Category:Stub-Class carnivorous plant articles]]. Why don't they move faster??
#Would a "collaboration" hook be useful, do you think? I come across lots of banners which have parameters for notes such as "This article was the XXX collaboration of the fortnight. For details on the improvements made to the article, see the history of past collaborations". It would probably be coded quite similarly to the peerreview hook.
[[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 09:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:1, I'm pretty sure, depends on the job que. You can get such things to update quicker by null editing the pages that need updated. While useful for the task, bots should ''never'' be used for such a task[[User:ShepBot|.]] <samp>:D</samp> I don't have an opinion on the second item though. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<sup style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">Talk</sup>]] 01:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:2, I created the [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/collaboration|collaboration hook]], mainly by ripping the (excellent) code from the peer review hook :) [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 15:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
== Collapsed taskforces ==
Something is not working and I don't understand why. I thought that to put taskforces in the collapsed section I could just put the taskforce hook with HOOK_COLLAPSED. But it's not working on [[Template:WP Banksia]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WP_Banksia&oldid=270833348 this version]). Also I was a bit surprised that when HOOK_COLLAPSED contains just text, it doesn't actually appear in the collapsed section, e.g.
[[User:Msgj/Sandbox4]]
Could this be to do with the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WPBannerMeta/core&diff=262398035&oldid=261867280 2->3] edit? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 07:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:The {{para|HOOK_COLLAPSED}} hook injects to the bottom of the collapsible table, outside any defined cell or even a defined row (otherwise putting some things in it would result in nested tables or other wierdness). I'm not sure why Tidy moves content that's defined inside a table but outside any cell to a position ''outside'' the table, but that's not its fault. I've made the 2→3 col switch on /taskforce, hopefully that will improve handling. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 08:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::The Banksia template is still not working ... [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 09:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
== Unassessed Class ==
Is there consensus as to which style is preferred: [[:Category:Unassessed Amiga articles]] or [[:Category:Unassessed-Class Amiga articles]]? The templates on [[Talk:History of the Amiga]] have placed it in both, though [[:Category:Unassessed Amiga articles]] is a category redirect to [[:Category:Unassessed-Class Amiga articles]]. [[Template:Cat class]] also appears to prefer the -Class style, which is why [[:Category:NA-Class science fiction articles]] links to [[:Category:Unassessed-Class science fiction articles]], but that is a category redirect pointing to [[:Category:Unassessed science fiction articles]]. --[[User:Pascal666|Pascal666]] ([[User talk:Pascal666|talk]]) 08:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:The first page of [[:Category:Unassessed-Class articles]] shows a mixed result (but has itself Unassessed-Class in the title). While there appears to be a precedent for Unassessed XYZ articles, there seems to be a decent amount of Unassessed-Class categories as well. But that's just my observations off the first page, a tasting of 200 out of 1200 total. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#3333cc;">§hep</span>]][[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#3333cc;"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]] 08:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:#Yes, I think you'll find that '''Unassessed XYZ articles''' is far more widely used than '''Unassessed-Class XYZ articles''', probably mainly due to the fact that this banner will always use the former.
:#Regarding [[Talk:History of the Amiga]], it's the computing banner which is placing it in the latter category. (The computing banner hasn't been converted to {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} yet.) I agree this is not ideal. Maybe it doesn't need the computing one if it has a more specific banner?
:#[[Template:Cat class]] will happily deal with both variants (but you're right that if the -Class variant exists it will use that). The solution would be to delete [[:Category:Unassessed-Class science fiction articles]].
:[[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 08:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::I am curious what was meant in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Category:Unassessed-Class_science_fiction_articles restore log] by "needed for [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index|assessment tables]] to work properly." --[[User:Pascal666|Pascal666]] ([[User talk:Pascal666|talk]]) 17:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[:Category:Unassessed-Class Christianity articles]] & [[:Category:Unassessed Christianity articles]] are a particularily bad example of inconsistency between different banners. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 21:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I tried to kill them, but another user pulled them into [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 February 17#Redirects to auto-assessment categories]]. I guess fixing those template links will have to wait for a bit. --[[User:Pascal666|Pascal666]] ([[User talk:Pascal666|talk]]) 14:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
== To Do List Category ==
The {{tl|WikiProject Indianapolis}} banner has a nice feature that it might be good to add to the WPBannerMeta template.
:''If the {{tl|todo}} template is placed on a talk page that also has this project template, and the todo list contains content, then this project template will automatically add the talk page to [[:Category:Indianapolis articles with todo lists]].''
This could be actived be adding the following code:
<pre>
{{#if:{{{TODO_CAT|}}}|{{#ifexist:{{FULLPAGENAME}}/to do|{{#if:{{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/to do}}|[[Category:{{{TODO_CAT}}}|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}}}}}
</pre>
which would then work whenever the {{para|TODO_CAT}} parameter is set.
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 19:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:Might be a nice feature. I like the way it checks that the list is non-empty. I requested this for the comments subpage for a while ago ... [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 19:14, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
== listas parameter not sorting in certain banners? ==
Hi, could you give us an update to when the listas parameter will work? See: [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#How to add listas sorting to a WPBM banner?]]. Thanks. --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 21:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:When the developers see fit to fix {{phab|18552}}, which is really not a particularly difficult thing to implement; someone with shell access just needs to change one line of config and run one maintenance script (although I realise it might be a fairly epic run; it would essentially reset every category sorkey on every Wikimedia wiki). I would encourage people to go vote for that bug if you have a bugzilla account, and to otherwise poke the devs in any way you can. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 22:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I voted for it at Bugzilla. Anything else we can do? Thanks. --[[User:Funandtrvl|Funandtrvl]] ([[User talk:Funandtrvl|talk]]) 23:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
== Portals ==
If a TF maintains a portal, shouldn't there be some switches for it in the TF section? [[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.90|76.66.193.90]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.90|talk]]) 09:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if it would be worth implementing this because I don't think there are many circumstances where it would be used. It should be easy to do on a case-by-case basis though. Do you have a particular banner in mind? [[User:Msgj|Martin]]<sup>[[User talk:Msgj|Msgj]]</sup> 16:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::I've seen it in use on the [[Template:WikiProject Canada|WikiProject Canada]] template. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::I was thinking of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight]] with [[Portal:Spaceflight]], which uses {{tl|WPSpace}} - shared between multiple WikiProjects, Task Forces, and Work Groups, but since WP:CANADA also does it, it would seem a generalized form would be good. There's also {{tl|AfricaProject}} to look at, since that's the template for all the countries of Africa WikiProjects, and some of them have portals. [[Special:Contributions/76.66.193.90|76.66.193.90]] ([[User talk:76.66.193.90|talk]]) 05:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
== Good and Featured ==
So, there has been some discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment]] and, moreso, via [[WP:IRC|IRC]], which has reached some amount of consensus that marking articles as "Good" and "Featured" should be done separately from the rest of the assessment scheme... e.g., an article which is currently FA-Class would become a Featured A-Class article. I was wondering if this template could be modified so that "Good" and "Featured" (preferably not GA and FA) by additional parameters, separate from class, which (if answered as "yes") marks the article as being Good or Featured, respectively, in a box in between "class" and "importance." If possible then, could all currently GA- or FA-Class articles be marked as B-Class automatically, until more A-Class reviews get going (the primary focus of the IRC and discussion).
This is a type of intermediate step towards a goal of separating WikiProject assessments from other, site-wide assessments. Marking an article as "Good" applies to the entirety of Wikipedia, whereas the meaning of "A-Class" varies from project to project. In my opinion, and that of other users including [[User:Walkerma|Walkerma]] and [[User:Geometry guy|Geometry guy]], these two strongly designated assessments should be separated from the remainder of the assessment scheme.
Myself, or other users involved in the A-Class review coordination, can probably complete other things which need to be fixed based on this (rather drastic) change. If needed, a bot can probably fix current article assessments to use any new system.
Current categories would remain unchanged, except for renaming all "FA-Class tulips articles" and "GA-Class tulips articles" to "Featured tulips articles" and "Good tulips articles," respectively. All articles currently in the FA and GA categories should, in theory, be migrated to the B- and A-Class categories, although they will still be present in the Good and Featured cats, too. If additional consensus beyond 5-6 people is needed for this change, a separate proposal can be created for wider community review.
Thank you for your consideration of this topic. -[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|talk]]) 03:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why don't we hold off on something like this until some things are decided, based on Kirill's comments here: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council/Coordinators' working group]] -'''[[User:MBK004|MBK]]'''<sub>[[User talk:MBK004|004]]</sub> 05:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:Indeed. While this is an interesting proposal, the change, as noted above, would be drastic and affect the entire encyclopedia and the work involved would be phenomenal. So we'd need to be sure that this had strong consensus and all ramifications had been considered. I would expect at least an [[WP:RfC|RfC]] to be conducted before a change like this was implemented. [[User:Msgj|Martin]]<sup>[[User talk:Msgj|Msgj]]</sup> 07:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::''"If additional consensus beyond 5-6 people is needed for this change..."'' Given that the last time a change to the assessment scale was proposed, the consensus of over ''two hundred and fifty'' editors was barely considered sufficient, to suggest that such a phenomenal change should go ahead based on such a tiny consensus is ludicrous. There is a ''massive'' amount of work involved with implementing this change, even more than for C-Class. That work can be done silently, but it cannot be done lightly. Let's see mockups, let's see concrete proposals and, most of all, let's see wide community participation rather than closed off-wiki discussion. Policy is not made on IRC. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 11:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay; just thought I'd bring it up now. Once the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Coordinators' working group|Coodrinator's working group]] is up and running and both this and A-Class is being discussed by more projects, I'll probably write up a more full proposal for {{tl|CENT}}. Thanks! -[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|talk]]) 14:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
== Taskforce quality categorization broken for Template:WikiProject Gender Studies ==
I followed all of the instructions here to add quality categorization for the Feminist Task Force into {{tl|WikiProject Gender Studies}}, but for some reason it isn't working. Instead of adding categories such as [[:Category:FA-class Feminist Task Force articles]] to the talk pages, it's adding generic categories like [[:Category:FA-class]]. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 21:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:I've reverted {{tl|WikiProject Gender Studies}} for now since it was causing so many problems. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 21:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::You have to set the TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT parameter as well. I have done it for you. You now need to create these categories. Regards, [[User:Msgj|Martin]]<sup>[[User talk:Msgj|msgj]]</sup> 22:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks! Someone should probably add mention of that to the instructions here. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|talk]]) 22:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Something along the lines of ''"TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT (Required) – the assessment category to be used for the taskforce-specific quality and importance assessments."''?? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 23:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
== Can't set up categories properly ==
I can set up the categories for some thhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:WPBannerMeta&action=edit§ion=12e Physics taskforce. See the {{tl|Physics}} banner. I want the articles marked by taskforces to be included what I wrote in the |TF_CAT_X =. Some articles (like 1 or 2 out of a few hundreds) are listed in (for example in [[:Category:Acoustics articles]]), but doing null edits on the other articles marked by the banner with the acoustic taskforce parameters set to yes doesn't add them to the category (even though that article's talk page is marked by it). Is this a bug or simply cache problems? Help please. [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {<sup>[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|κοντριβς]]</sub> – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]} 01:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:You seem to have set up the banner correctly; I can't see any problems. Can you give an example of an article which is not in the right category? I just made a null edit to [[John Joseph Montgomery]] and it now appears in [[:Category:Fluid dynamics articles]] so I think you just need to be patient and they will populate shortly. [[User:Msgj|Martin]]<sup>[[User talk:Msgj|msgj]]</sup> 07:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think know what the problem was, I have a thingymajig (.js userscript) that refreshes my browser chache, but I thought it was a wikipedia cache purger thingymajig. I tried doing a manual null-edit that worked.[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {<sup>[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|κοντριβς]]</sub> – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]} 08:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
== More taskforces? ==
An chance someone could modify this to support more taskforces? Perhaps up to 20? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 06:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:Please see [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces]]. You can add as many as you like, in multiples of 10. Let me know if you need help setting these up. [[User:Msgj|Martin]]<sup>[[User talk:Msgj|msgj]]</sup> 07:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm looking to rework {{tl|WPJ}} to make it more flexible for expansion and such. This might allow that to work. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 05:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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