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The '''regional [[Accent (linguistics)|accents]] of [[English language|English]] speakers''' show great variation across the areas where English is spoken as a first language. This article provides an overview of the many identifiable variations in [[English pronunciation|pronunciation]], usually deriving from the [[Phonology|phoneme]] inventory of the local [[dialect]], of the local variety of [[Standard English]] between various [[population]]s of native English speakers.

== '''Welcome to Wikipedia!''' ==

Local accents are part of local [[dialect]]s. Any dialect of English has unique features in [[pronunciation]], [[vocabulary]], and [[grammar]]. The term "accent" describes only the first of these, namely, pronunciation. See also: [[List of dialects of the English language]].

Dear Od Mishehu:

[[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|Welcome]] to [[Wikipedia]], a free and open-content encyclopedia. I hope you enjoy contributing. To help get you settled in, I thought you might find the following pages useful:

* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|Five Pillars of Wikipedia]]

Non-native speakers of English tend to carry over the [[intonation]] and [[phoneme|phonemic]] inventory from their [[mother tongue]] into their English speech. For more details see [[Non-native pronunciations of English]].

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Don't worry too much about being perfect. Very few of us are! Just in case you are not perfect, click [[Wikipedia:Avoiding common mistakes|here]] to see how you can avoid making common mistakes.

Among native English speakers, many different accents exist. Some regional accents are easily identified by certain characteristics. It should be noted that further variations are to be found within the regions identified below; for example, towns located less than 10 miles from the city of [[Manchester]] such as [[Bolton]], [[Salford]] and [[Oldham]], each have distinct accents, all of which form the Lancashire accent, yet in extreme cases different enough to be noticed even by a non-local listener. There is also much room for misunderstanding between people from different regions, as the way one word is pronounced in one accent (for example, ''petal'' in American English) will sound like a different word in another accent (for example, ''pearl'' in Scottish English).

If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the '''[[Wikipedia:New contributors' help page|New contributors' help page]]''', where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type '''<code>{&#123;helpme}}</code>''' on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions.

==[[British Isles]]==

''Main article: [[British English]]''

Wikipedians try to follow a strict policy of [[Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers|never biting new users]]. If you are unsure of how to do something, you are welcome to ask a more experienced user such as an [[Wikipedia:Administrator|administrator]]. One last bit of advice: please sign any discussion comment with four tildes (~&#126;~~). The software will automatically convert this into your signature which can be altered in the "Preferences" tab at the top of the screen. I hope I have not overwhelmed you with information. If you need any help just let me know. Once again welcome to Wikipedia, and don't forget to [[Wikipedia:User page|tell us about]] [[User:{{PAGENAME}}|yourself]] and be [[Wikipedia:Bold|'''BOLD''']]! A very long-overdue welcome!<span class="plainlinks">[[User:NinaEliza|NinaEliza]]&nbsp;([[User talk:NinaEliza|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/NinaEliza|contribs]] <small>•</small> [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username={{urlencode:NinaEliza}}&site=en.wikipedia.org <span style="color:#002bb8">count</span>] <small>•</small> [{{SERVER}}/wiki/Special:Log?user={{urlencode:NinaEliza}} <span style="color:#002bb8">logs</span>] <small>•</small> [[Special:Emailuser/NinaEliza|email]]</span>) 02:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

English accents and dialects vary more widely within the UK itself than they do in other parts of the world owing to the longer history of the language within the nations of the UK.

===[[England]]= IP Block ==

''Main article: [[English English]]''

Psst, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:193.253.29.71 that block] was made in 200''5''.

The main accent groupings within England are between the north and south; the dividing line runs roughly from [[Shrewsbury]] to south of [[Birmingham]] and then to [[The Wash]]. The prestige accent in England is [[Received Pronunciation]], which originates from the educated speech of southeastern England. The London-derived [[Estuary English]] is growing in importance as a widespread standard form in the south.

<small>[[User:Night Gyr|Night Gyr]] ([[User talk:Night Gyr|talk]]/[[User:Night Gyr/Over|Oy]]) 18:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)</small>

:Sorry, my mistake. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 10:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

===[[Scotland]]= Welcome ==

''Main article: [[Scottish English]]''

Welcome to Wikipedia. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]^{<small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small>} 19:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The [[Scottish English]] [[dialect]], English as spoken in Scotland, should not be confused with the [[Scots language]] which is a language in itself. However, the debt owed by Scottish English to Scots and the [[Scottish Gaelic language]] is undeniable.

'''Thank you''' for reverting vandalism to the article November 25. Your help is greatly appreciated. I notice that after you reverted the vandalism, you didn't warn the user involved. Could I ask that in the future you consider warning users who vandalize article? Its easy to do and has two significant benefits. First it tells the vandal that we are keeping an eye on them - many users stop vandalizing as soon as they receive a warning. Second it lets other editors know about previous episodes of vandalism and makes it much easier to leave appropriate warnings and know when to impose blocks, if required.

===[[Wales]]===

''Main article: [[Welsh English]]''

Warning is really easy. Just leave a {{[[Template:test|test]]}} tag on the user's talk page. In the first case of vandalism you leave a {{[[Template:test1|test1]]}}, the second time {{[[Template:test2|test2]]}} and so on up to {{[[Template:test4|test4]]}}. If the user already has a recent {{[[Template:test4|test4]]}} notice you can report them to the [[WP:AIV|vandalism noticeboard]]. You can learn more about the warning system at the [[WP:VAN#Warnings|vandalism]] page. Good luck and thanks again for helping us remove vandalism from Wikipedia. Best, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 17:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The Welsh accent of English is strongly influenced by the phonology of the [[Welsh language]], which 20% of the population of Wales still speak as their first or second language.

:I figured that the anon user may not yet have seen that he had a messgae when he clicked on the '''Save page''' button for the second edit. I always give users such a chance before giving them a second warning. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 17:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

===[[Ireland]]===

::Fair enough, just wanted to make sure you knew about the warning messages. Best, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 17:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::If you had looked at my contributions, you would have seen that I do give such warnings. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 17:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

==Six Laws==

The differences between northern and southern Irish accents are significant enough that it is best to treat them separately. There are, of course, differences within each group as well, but these are often noticeable only to locals.

Well hello!! Thank you for being [[Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages|bold]], I'm afraid I'm going to have to remove that merge tag because Sheva Mitzvas came much later! I would of course love for you to contribute to it and expand the subject, there are only a handful of medrashim and gemoras talking about this. [[User:FrummerThanThou|frummer]] 23:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

====Republic of Ireland====

:#Rather than removing the tag, how about discussing it, to see if the Wikipedian community agrees with you.

''Main article: [[Hiberno-English]]''

:#The Sheva Mitzvas are a slight extension of the six, the only addition being a result of the fact that people can now eat meat.

:[[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 23:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

::That's right, no eiver min hachai if there's no bosor. RE your point that 7MbN are an extension of the 6, it is true, but consider this - there where ten doiros when these 6 where in effect, when people couldn't eat meat, therefore I think it deserve its own article, especially since it was given to Adam by Hashem, where as the 7MbN in a separate instance where given to Noach by Hashem. Since the article is under construction and yet to cite the midrashic sources, I'm not sure if the merge tag should stay on. [[User:FrummerThanThou|frummer]] 00:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

== Shortepa ==

Hiberno-English is spoken throughout the [[Republic of Ireland]], except in Counties Donegal, and [[County Monaghan|Monaghan]], which belong linguistically to Ulster in which Northern Ireland is a province.

My dear Od Mishehu,everything you wrote about this article is a violation against the idea of Wikipedia.The article is absolutely normal for such kind of places-small districts with few villages in them.All the sources are riliable and public-maps and official census data.It is not categorised,because there is no suitable category for it (except Afghanistan stubs).So please leave the article as it is and if somebody ever wants to write more,let he does it.I strongly insist you to step back and remove all your templates,or I will contact Wikipedia for your patroling.Have a nice duty![[User:Drjmarkov|Drjmarkov]] 22:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)drjmarkov

====Northern Ireland====

:About the categorization, there are several [[:Category:Geography by place|geographic categories]] which such an article could be put into.

The northern Irish accent ([[Mid Ulster English]]) is spoken in the historical province of [[Ulster]], i.e. in the U.K. province of [[Northern Ireland]] as well as in Counties Cavan, Donegal, and Monaghan in the Republic. It also spoken some northern areas of the other provinces such as Louth and [[County_Leitrim|Leitrim]]. It bears many similarities to Scottish English through influence from [[Ulster Scots language|Ulster Scots]], which is distinct and recognized as a variety of [[Scots language|Scots]].

:About the other claims, I'd like you to show me a few more similar articles.

:[[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 05:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I even can show you other articles with less information in them,so if you are vigilant you would detect them by yourself,but you have not.I try to organise the mess with the Afghani districts and to help people,who occasionally come upon them,easy to locate them on the map,because of all the variety of names for them.You can be sure,that more information for some of the districts you cannot retrieve even if you go there.So leave this topic,if it is out of your interest.Maybe after many years there will appear more information for them and people to add it.I do not create articles ,which are not needed,I make the blank links not be thus.The links have been created before me.You have to be very eager in your patroling job to make fuss in the Christmass Eve for the districts in the Balkh province,Afghanistan.Use your energy for much more usefull aims.Merry Christmass and Happy New Year![[User:Drjmarkov|Drjmarkov]] 06:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)drjmarkov

==IP number==

Some characteristics of the Northern Irish accent include:

Okay, thanks for letting me know...I was just in the process of investigating. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 09:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

* As in Scotland, the vowels {{IPA|/&#650;/}} and {{IPA|/u/}} are merged, so that ''look'' and ''Luke'' are homophonous. The vowel is a [[high central rounded vowel]], {{IPA|[&#649;]}}.

* The diphthong {{IPA|/a&#650;/}} is pronounced approximately {{IPA|[&#601;&#649;]}}, but wide variation exists, especially between [[social class]]es in [[Belfast]]

* The vowel {{IPA|/e&#618;/}} is a monophthong in open syllables (e.g. ''day'' {{IPA|[d&#603;&#720;]}}) but a rising diphthong in closed syllables (e.g. ''daze'' {{IPA|[de&#601;z]}}). But the monophthong remains when inflectional endings are added, thus ''daze'' contrasts with ''days'' {{IPA|[d&#603;&#720;z]}}.

* The [[Alveolar consonant|alveolar stops]] {{IPA|/t, d/}} become [[dental]] before {{IPA|[r, &#602;]}}, e.g. '''''t'''ree'' and ''spi'''d'''er''

* {{IPA|/t/}} often undergoes [[flapping]] to {{IPA|[&#638;]}} before an [[lexical stress|unstressed]] syllable, e.g. ''eighty'' {{IPA|[&#603;&#720;&#638;i]}}

== [[North America]]24.3.28.181 ==

''Main article: [[North American English]]''

Ok, sweet. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 09:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

===[[Canada]]===

''Main article: [[Canadian English]]''

== Re: My block of [[User:Deathrocker]] ==

Canadian accents vary widely across the country, and the accent of a particular region is often closer to neighbouring parts of the United States. Nevertheless, there are some characteristics that exist across the country, in varying degrees, such as [[Canadian raising]]. Canadian actors and announcers used to aim for a [[General American]] accent (similar to that formerly used by actors and announcers in the [[United States]]), to make their pronunciation more acceptable to U.S. listeners. An example of this is the speech of actor [[Christopher Plummer]]. There are five main Canadian accents.

Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Mangojuice|Mangojuice]] beat me to it, and I think his explanation was sufficient. --[[User:Idont Havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont Havaname|Talk]]) 21:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

* Starting from the east, first is the Newfoundland accent (dialect is more accurate, as there are many words which are only defined in [[Newfoundland]]). It is very hard to describe (in fact, in 2005 when a Newfoundland-born Canadian general was put in charge of the military occupation forces in Kabul, Afghanistan, his staff presented his American colleagues with a dictionary of Newfoundland English), but there are elements from nearly every European country that inhabited the Americas in the 15th to 17th centuries (Irish being the strongest influence). It is also spoken very quickly, sometimes to the point where it is impossible for non-Newfoundlanders to understand. It is primarily spoken on the island of Newfoundland. The [[Cape Breton accent]], spoken on [[Cape Breton Island]], is similar.

:I've been keeping track of [[template:unblock|<nowiki>{{unblock}}</nowiki>]] requests. This user got my attention before [[User:Mangojuice|Mangojuice]] got there, and I decided to make sure you know about this. I believe that any blocked user who places such a request deserves a responce (even if it's negative), and I do my best to ensure that they get it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 21:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

* The second is the Eastern Canadian accent. It is similar to Newfoundland, but not as thick nor nearly as fast. This is frequently confused on American television as ''the'' Canadian accent, quite incorrectly.

* The third Canadian accent is the "Quebec" accent. It has a more throaty sound than the Eastern or Central accents.

* The fourth (and by far the most common) accent in Canada is the central/western accent. Broadly similar to the generic northern U.S. accent, it is spoken by about 60% of the population of Canada.

* The fifth accent is the official [[Ottawa Valley Twang]], an accent in Canada's national capital Ottawa. An estimated 1.3 million people live in the Ottawa Valley. In the capital city [[Ottawa]], the accent is spoken to a lesser degree and is influenced by the central/western accent. But suburban and rural areas are strong in the Ottawa Valley Twang, and even speak with slight r-trilling accents. An example is "gidday" (good day, hello), and "cairp" (town or fish).

== [[Cetartiodactyla]] ==

Within this group there are myriad smaller regional accents, many sounding anywhere from "American" (though one must hesitate to classify them this way, as there are many differences between the American and Canadian accents) to slightly British (in a few locales in Southern Ontario, as well as Vancouver). Most Canadians, especially those speaking with a Central/Western accent deny they have an accent at all.

Dear Od Mishehu, I find your global incorporation of this "taxon" a little bizarre! I read the relevant article, and the whole thing seems to be within the realms of "possibility only", and not even subscribed to by all leading evolutionists... A particular hobby-horse of yours, I wonder? Anyway, if you agree that the main article itself is substantively correct, then I suggest the introgression of this "superorder" into every conceivabale animal taxobox that "fits" is a little over the top. I suggest we leave the "accepted taxonomy" as is and leave the conjecture to higher-order taxonomic articles...what do you think? Thanks--[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 21:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

:This taxon seems to be more agreed on now then [[Artiodactyla]] as far as the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life]] links show. I asked abot it both at [[Talk:Even-toed ungulate]] and at [[talk:Cetacea]], and no one objected. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 21:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

::Thanks for your feedback. Sorry that the articles you "sounded out" were not then on my watchlist. For the record, please put me down as a respondent "not convinced". That would give a score of 0–1 for–against :-) sorry ;-) --[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 21:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

::Earlier I added a comment on this same issue below. See [[User_talk:Eli_Falk#Why_add_superorder_Cetartiodactyla_to_all_taxoboxes_about_whales.21.3F]] for more... --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 09:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

===[[United States]]===

''Main article: [[American English]]''

:::Dear Od Mishehu, Thanks for reverting '''some''' of the "Cetartiodactyla"s in taxoboxes; however, you have missed [[Antilopinae]] and maybe more... Thanks again!—[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 20:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

There is great variation among accents of English spoken in the United States; accents are perhaps more variable in the U.S. than in any other English-speaking country besides the [[United Kingdom]]. In terms of phonology, [[flapping]] may be the only process common to all accents of American English: not all American English accents are [[rhotic and non-rhotic accents|rhotic]], not all use the "[[broad A|flat A]]" in words like ''half'' and ''can't'', not all have lost the [[phonemic differentiation]] between the vowels of ''father'' and ''bother'' or the vowels of ''cot'' and ''caught'' or the consonants of ''wine'' and ''whine'', and so forth. [[General American]] is the name given to the accent used by most TV network announcers; it is most similar to the local accents of [[Iowa]] and adjacent parts of [[Nebraska]], and [[Illinois]]. General American makes a good reference accent, and a good goal for foreigners learning American English, because it is generally regarded as a "neutral" accent (when most Americans say someone "doesn't have an accent" they mean he or she has a General American accent).

:::Thanks from me too. Sorry I have been coming on a bit too strongly. BTW I have now also downloaded the AWB software and see if I can contribute too... [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 08:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

===[[West Indies]] and [[Bermuda]]===

::::At this point, any which I missed would probably be better to find by hand, anyway. Just look through the pages which link to [[Cetartiodactyla]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 09:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

For discussion, see:

*[[Bajan]]

*[[Bermudian English]]

*[[Caribbean English]]

*[[Jamaican English]]

*Dear Od Mishehu, I wonder whether the inclusion of this taxon would be more approrpiate in the context of the Wikispecies project...?—[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 16:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

==[[Southern Hemisphere]]==

===[[Australia]]===

''Main article: [[Australian English phonology]]''

== Why add superorder Cetartiodactyla to all taxoboxes about whales!? ==

The Australian accent varies between social classes and is sometimes claimed to vary from state to state, though this is disputed (it is more the lexis that varies between states, as well as the pronunciation of certain words, the most cited example being 'castle'). Accents tend to be strongest in the more remote areas. (Note that, while there are many similarities between Australian accents and New Zealand ones, there are also differences.)

I can see that you have been massively adding superorder Cetartiodactyla to all taxoboxes in articles about whales. This is undesirable because of two reasons:

===[[New Zealand]]===

* It is preferred to only add main taxa to the taxoboxes and not intermediate ones like superorders, superfamilies, ''unless'' it clarifies the classification of the particular taxon described in the article. Otherwise it is unnecessary information that makes the taxobox less readable.

''Main article: [[New Zealand English]]''

* Although the evidence for and acceptance of 'Cetartiodactyla' is growing, it is still controversial enough to leave it out of authoritative lists like taxoboxes for now.

I hope you agree with this point, and either turn back the changes yourself or allow me or others to do it...

Kind regards, --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 09:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI: From [[Wikipedia:Taxobox usage#Classification]]:

The New Zealand accent is distinguished from the Australian one by the presence of short or "clipped" vowels, also encountered in [[South African English]]. New Zealanders, according to Australians, pronounce "fish and chips" as "fush and chups", "yes" as "yiss" and "sixty six" as "suxty sux". To American ears, the New Zealand soft "s" sounds slushy, more like "sh", so that "consumer" sounds like "con-SHOO-mer". This is attributable to the influence of [[Scottish English]] speech patterns.

Taxoboxes should include all major ranks above the taxon described in the article, plus minor ranks

Geographical variations appear slight, and mainly confined to individual special local words. One group of speakers, however, hold a recognised place as "talking differently": the South of the South Island (Murihiku) harbours a "Celtic fringe" of people speaking with a "Southland burr" in which a back-trilled 'r' appears prominently. The area formed a traditional repository of immigration from Scotland.

that are important to understanding the classification of the taxon described in the article, or

which are discussed in the article. Other minor ranks should be omitted.

--[[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 09:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The trilled 'r' is also used by some M&#257;ori, who may also pronounce 't' and 'k' sounds almost as 'd' and 'g'. This is also encountered in South African English, especially among Afrikaans speakers.

:You have rashly inserted this superorder in a massive amount of taxoboxes. As this clearly is deviating from common usage of taxoboxes, I would prefer that you revert these changes yourself. This is a lot of work and your responsibility, and as you are using some advanced wiki-editor yourself, it should be much easier for you to do than any of us. [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 07:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

===South Atlantic===

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====Falkland Islands====

The [[Falkland Islands]] have a large non-native born population, mainly from England, but also from [[Saint Helena]]. In rural areas, the Falkland accent tends to be stronger. The accent has resemblences to both Australia-NZ English, and that of [[Norfolk]] in England.

====Saint Helena====

"Saints", as Saint Helenan islanders are called, have a variety of different influences on their accent. To outsiders, the accent has resemblences to the accents of South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand.

== Categorization ==

Television is a reasonably recent arrival there, and is only just beginning to have an effect.

Thanks. I have a friend who will hopefully do that in the next few days. —[[User:Dfass|Dfass]] 07:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

===Southern Africa===

====[[South Africa]]====

''Main article: [[South African English]]''

== Category tags ==

South Africa has 11 official languages, one of which is English. [[Afrikaner|Afrikaners]] ([[Boers]]), descendants of mainly Dutch settlers, tend to pronounce English phonemes with a strong [[Afrikaans]] inflection, which is very similar to Dutch.

Thank you for the tip on removing tags. I did have the misunderstanding that stub tags were, in some cases, sufficient. --[[User:Casiraghitrio|Ashley Rovira]] 13:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Native English speakers in South Africa have an accent that generally resembles British [[Received pronunciation]] modified with varying degrees of Germanic inflection (caused by the Afrikaner influence). Native English speakers in South Africa also insert a number of Afrikaans loanwords into their speech.

====Zimbabwe== [[AAPLAC]] ==

In [[Zimbabwe]], native English speakers (mainly the white minority) have a similar speech pattern to [[South Africa]], hence 'Zimbabwe' is pronounced as ''zom-'''baw'''-bwi'', as opposed to the more correct African pronunciation ''zeem-'''bah'''-bwe''.

I saw you endorsed my prod originally of this article (with {{t1|prod2}}). Given your edit, I thought you'd like to know it's at AfD now, as the prod was removed.^{[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/AAPLAC]} Cheers, '''[[User:Daniel.Bryant|Daniel.Bryant]] ^{[&nbsp;[[User talk:Daniel.Bryant|T]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Daniel.Bryant|C]]&nbsp;]}''' 12:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

====Namibia====

[[Namibia]]n English tends to be strongly influenced by that of [[South Africa]]

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== [[Asia]] ==

===[[Hong Kong]]===

''Main article: [[Hong Kong English]]''

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The accent of English spoken in Hong Kong follows mainly British, with rather strong influence from [[Cantonese language|Cantonese]] on the [[pronunciation]]s of a few consonants and vowels, and sentence grammar and structure. In recent years there are some [[Canadian English|Canadian]] and [[Australian English|Australian]] influences, attributable to the return to Hong Kong of persons who had emigrated to these countries. [[American English|American]] influence in [[vocabulary|vocabularies]] and [[spelling]]s is also substantial through [[multinational]] [[conglomerate (company)|conglomerate]]s and [[Hollywood]] movies.

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== Thanks, added to catagory automobiles ==

[[0 to 60mph]]

[[User:Speeddemonvegas|Speeddemonvegas]] 02:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Unblock requests ==

===[[Indian Subcontinent]]===

Thanks, but I was aware of that. The thing is, the blocking admin is ''not'' permitted to deny a request for unblock, the idea being to allow the blocked editor to get a seconod opinion. We're only allowed to accept unblock requests, which I have no intention of doing because the account is clearly a sock puppet of a blocked editor. -- [[User:Vary|Vary]] | [[User talk:Vary|Talk]] 15:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

''Main article: [[Indian English]]''

:Yes, but for an other admin to have the proper grounds for a reaction, a simple '''Sock of [[User:Piratesofsml]], evading block''' isn't enough. If you give your evidence, then an other admin can decide based on it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 18:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

::And so I did, on [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Piratesofsml]] (linked to from the template on the user's page) where such evidence belongs, or so I'm told. -- [[User:Vary|Vary]] | [[User talk:Vary|Talk]] 19:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== PLEASE RESPOND and revert your own mistakes ==

A number of distinct dialects of English are spoken on the Indian subcontinent. Accents originating in this part of the world tend to display two distinctive features:

* [[timing (linguistics)|syllable-timing]], in which a roughly equal time is allocated to each syllable. Akin to the English of Singapore and Malaysia. (Elsewhere, English speech timing is based predominantly on stress);

* "sing-song" pitch (somewhat reminiscent of those of [[Welsh English]]).

Well I can see that apparently you do read your talk page. I want to insist '''strongly''' that you yourself revert the superfluous and rash insertion of 'Cetartiodactyla' to all taxoboxes concerning cetaceans or artiodactyls. It would seem that you used some special software for this and the number of articles this has been done for now is so huge that it is much harder for us mere mortals to revert all the damage you have done than it would be for you. '''Please''' step up and clean up your own mess!! [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 13:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

===[[Malaysia]] and [[Singapore]]===

English is the [[lingua franca]] of Singapore, a former British colony. It also is the most frequently used language in the homes of about 23% of Singaporeans (see http://www.singstat.gov.sg/papers/c2000/adr-literacy.pdf).

== Abortion by region ==

The Singaporean and Malaysian accents are fairly similiar and the distinctions between the two are analagous to that between the American and Canadian accents. The Singaporean/Malaysian accent is so distinctive that it is one of the ways Singaporeans and Malaysians recognize one another when they are overseas.

I'd like the category http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abortion_by_region to be deleted per discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abortion#Hierarchy Can you delete it? Thanks.[[User:Ferrylodge|Ferrylodge]] 01:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The Singaporean/Malaysian accent appears to be a melding of British, Chinese, and Malay influences.

:It's already been done according to [[WP:CSD#G7|G7 - author request]]. I'm not a [[Wikipedia:List of administrators|admin]], so I can't delete things. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 18:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== Article needing to be Wikified ==

Many Singaporeans and Malaysians adopt different accents and usages depending on the situation, for example an office worker may speak with less coloquialism and with a more British accent at the job than with friends or while out shopping.

I have created the Wikipedia article "Academy Hill School", a school where I serve as lead teacher. My intent is to have a group of students work on the article over the next few weeks, adding headings, details, sections, etc. I am hoping that it will not be deleted before my students can do this. How long will I have before it is deemed natable enough to continue to be included? [[User:Carolrosenthal|Carolrosenthal]] 00:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Carolrosenthal

''See also [[British and Malaysian English differences]], [[Manglish]], and [[Singlish]] (Singapore Colloquial English)''.

:It looks safe for now. I wouldn't worry unless a deletion tag is put at the top. I don't think it can be [[WP:CSD|speedied]], and if it gets [[WP:PROD|prodded]] you have time left to deal with it - wait till near the end of the 5 days before removing it to maximize your time.

:By the way, about writing an article about a school where you teach, I'd recommend looking at [[WP:COI]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 10:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

== Uncat template aesthetics ==

*[[timing (linguistics)|syllable-timing]], where speech is timed according to syllable, akin to the English of the Indian Subcontinent. (Elsewhere, speech is usually timed to stress.)

* A quick, staccato style, with "puncturing" syllables and well-defined, drawn out tones.

* No [[r-colored vowel|rhotic vowels]], like British English. Hence "caught" and "court" rhyme, both being pronounced {{IPA|/k&#596;&#720;t/}}, "can't" rhymes with "aren't", etc.

* Much dropping off of final consonants: "must" becomes "mus'", "cold" becomes "co'", etc.

* The "ay" and "ow" sounds in "raid" and "road" ({{IPA|/e&#618;/}} and {{IPA|/o&#650;/}} respectively) are pronounced as [[monophthong]]s, i.e. with no "glide": {{IPA|/red/}} and {{IPA|/rod/}}.

* {{IPA|/&#952;/}} is pronounced as /t/ and {{IPA|/ð/}} as /d/; hence, "thin" is {{IPA|/t&#618;n/}} and "then" is {{IPA|/d&#603;n/}}.

* Depending on how colloquial the situation is: many [[discourse particle]]s, or words inserted at the end of sentences that indicate the role of the sentence in discourse and the mood it conveys, like "lah", "leh", "mah", "hor", etc.

There was a fairly clear consensus from discussion at [[CAT:NOCAT]] to add them at the bottom, and I don't see how it's feasible for a bot to make stylistic decisions about the best place to place it. Hopefully someone inconvenienced thereby will either fix the categorisation, or move the template by hand. If you feel the template is too large, you might want to bring that up on its talk page. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

===[[Philippines]]===

[[Philippine English]] is more influenced by American English than other Asian varieties of English.

==External links ==

*[http://classweb.gmu.edu/accent/ The Speech Accent Archive], over 300 audio samples of people with various accents reading the same paragraph.

* [http://www.ku.edu/%7Eidea/ International Dialects of English Archive]

*[http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/collections/dialects/ English Accents and Dialects]: searchable free-access archive of 681 speech samples, England only, wma format with linguistic commentary, British Library [http://www.collectbritain.co.uk Collect Britain] website.

*[http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/estuary/ascherson.htm Britain's crumbling ruling class is losing the accent of authority] an article on the connection of class and accent in the UK, its decline, and the spread of Estuary English

*[http://www.ling.upenn.edu/phonoatlas The Telsur Project] Homepage of the telephone survey of North American English accents

*[http://linguistics.online.uni-marburg.de/free/mouton/free/courses/atlas_of_nae/atlas_main.html The Atlas of North American English (demo version)] A demo version of the soon-to-be-published Atlas. Includes sound files of Canadians.

*[http://english.cmu.edu/pittsburghspeech/ Pittsburgh Speech & Society] A site for non-linguists, by Barbara Johnstone of Carnegie-Mellon University

*[http://www.evolpub.com/Americandialects/PennaDialMap.html Linguistic Geography of Pennsylvania] by Claudio Salvucci

*[http://students.csci.unt.edu/~kun Guide to Regional English Pronunciation] includes working versions of the Telsur Project regional maps

*[http://www.citypaper.net/articles/081497/article008.shtml Phillyspeak] A newspaper article on Philadelphia speech

*[http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/x202info.htm J.C. Wells' English Accents course] includes class handouts describing Cockney, Scottish, Australian, and Scouse, among other things.

*[http://www.otago.ac.nz/anthropology/Linguistic/Accents.html Evaluating English Accents Worldwide]

*[http://www.pbs.org/speak/ Do You Speak American?] A series of web pages by PBS that attempts to discuss the differences between dialects in the United States

Yes, sorry, sometimes i forget to do things :) [[User:Gaudio|Gaudio]] 22:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:English dialects]]

[[Category:English phonology]]

== re Academic organizations ==

Hi, I am a relatively new wikipedian and I wasn't aware that categories need to belong to categories. I have looked at the entry and will try to add to it as requested. I believe it is an important way to organize this information. Thank you for your vigilance. [[User:Canticle|Canticle]] 22:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Copyvio stuff ==

Thanks for that. I knew it was blatant, so I did what I thought was best. You live, you learn. --[[User:DodgerOfZion|DodgerOfZion]] 05:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== Copyvio [[Aina Topa Hutsi]] ==

please remove that notice, the content isn't copyrighted to begin with it is a history of and organization which I my self currently lead, so it is my material to use. Next it is info from the BSA from the Alamo Area Council Website, the BSA and the council do not have copyrights on historical information. It is a Non-Creative work and thus is not copyrighted. [[User:Jwestmcc|Jwestmcc]] 02:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

:There are instructions on the copyright notice I put up there. If you think this isn't under copyright, follow those instructions. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 09:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Better yet you made a mistake and you should be a man about it and fix it. It's not my job to clean up after you, because for some reason you find it neccesary to abuse power and not care about the fact that you made a mistake. [[User:Jwestmcc|Jwestmcc]] 22:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

:I think that for me to go now and remove the copyvio would be considered vandalism. Anyway, before the admins delete it, they will have to double check that it is a copyvio - so you should put your effort towards making sure they think it's okay. By the way, they already un-copyvioed one article I did.

:I'm telling you I did it in [[WP:AGF|good faith]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 06:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Your [[WP:PROD|PROD]] of [[Abdul Rahman Husseini]] ==

It looks to me like your prod was for the vandalized version of the page - in which case the right solution is to revert the vandalism (as I did). If your prod was about the unvcandalized version of the page - I object; if you still want it deleted - feel free to use AfD. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oops. Yes, I know how to deal with vandalism; I thought it was left over from a bodged page move (the sort of thing that would be sent to RfD, except that in this case it wasn't actually a redirect). Now I see this was not the case – [[User:Qxz|Qxz]] 11:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==Deleting Categories of Jewish Athletes==

Hi. I believe this is related to an issue that has interested you in the past. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion#Category:Jewish_fencers some people are suggesting that Jewish athletes, beginning with Jewish Fencers, should be deleted. I do not think that is the correct approach, or consistent with wiki policy, and thought that others might want to weigh in on the discussion. --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 13:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 13:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 23:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== Fox ==

No, a fox is definitely a mammal, even if it's undergoing oxydizing reaction :) The mammals cat is pretty large so I'm excluding humans and primates for now. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

*Yeah yeah I know. That list isn't particularly serious to begin with. I'm not at all sure if BrighterOrange is a color or a fruit (or, I suppose, the three the fruit grows on, or Orange County). If he objects he may move it. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== Uncategorised articles ==

excuse me, but i dont understand your comment on my userpage?

I was under the impression that 'stub' put it into the category of articles that were new and lacking, and thus needed inprovement?

if that was wrong then that was wrong, and i'd like to know so i dont do it again -- as far as 'not good enough' and 'i should put it in the correct category' is concerned tho, the whole point of a wiki is that one person doesn't have to do everything. as well as categorisation, it also needs, imo, an illustrative picture and more words. i couldn't be arsed to provide these, so i just started it off and left it for others to finish, bit by bit, wiki style. --[[User:Dak|Dak]] 23:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:Stub articles, in order to be improved, should be classified with similar stubs - for example, an expert on [[Mammals]] can find [[:Category:Mammal stubs|stubs about mammals]] as a seperate place from [[:Category:Insect stubs|stubs about bugs]] - a subject this user may know less about. In addition, [[:Category:Stubs]] and {{tl|stub}} don't make it easier for a user trying to find information on [[weapons]] - while placing a <nowiki>[[Category:Weapons]]</nowiki> on the page does. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 09:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

== {{[[Template:uncategorizedstub|uncategorizedstub]]}} ==

I'm holding off tagging with this while the backlogs are so large; it seems overkill to have an article in both "queues", when there are so many waiting in both. If and when the backlog at CAT:NOCAT is cleared, or at least down to more reasonable proportions, I'll be happy to sweep through all the stubs with no permcats, and tag those. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 12:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Uncategorization ==

Okay, thanks, I forgot to categorize as I usually don't start new pages (somebody always beats me to the punch). [[User:Yonatanh|Yonatan]] ([[Special:Contributions/Yonatanh|contribs]]/[[User_talk:Yonatanh|talk]]) 13:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

==Unblanking==

If you'll notice, I unblanked it and then redirected it to the proper article. As the facilitator of the Burma WikiProject, I keep an eye on such things. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 07:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

Hello Od Mishehu, I responded to your optional question at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/WilliamKF]] and wondered if you had had a chance to review it, and had any comments or further questions? Thanks. [[User:WilliamKF|WilliamKF]] 21:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

== Re: To protect your page from vandalism ==

''If you want to have [[User:Onorem|your user page]] protected from vandalism, I think you should leave a request for [[WP:SEMI|semi-protection]] at [[WP:RFP]]. That way, the Wikipedia software will prevent anon users and new users from editing it, while allowing you to edit it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 12:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)''

:Thank you for the suggestion, but the vandalism really doesn't bother me enough to make additional work for the people over at [[WP:RFP]]. Reverting takes little effort, and the more time they spend on my user page, the less time they have to vandalize useful mainspace pages. --[[User:Onorem|Onorem]] 12:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding [[Ranchi]] ==

I have actually created two new pages [[Schools_of_Ranchi]] and [[Colleges_of_Ranchi]], and added the links on the page [[Ranchi]], but I see that you have already reverted to my second last edit, should I revert it to my latest edit or remove the 2 articles?

[[User:Mayank Abhishek|Mayank Abhishek]] 11:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:When I see a large removal of text from Wikipedia with no [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]], I always revert it. If you have a good reason for removal of text from a Wikipedia page, please use the summary to explain it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:: Done, I hope it is OK! [[User:Mayank Abhishek|Mayank Abhishek]] 12:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

==Eksi Sozluk==

I don't understand why Wikipedia feels justify not to carry the [[Eksi sozluk]] article. It is the most important open source community in the Turkish-speaking world, inspiring many spinoffs. It also has great political significance in the democratization of the country. The article shouldn't be deleted. However, POV paragraphs should be erased. Bestlyriccollection

:Check the [[WP:AFD|votes for deletion]] - at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ekşi Sözlük|the original article's entry]]. I didn't decide to delete it - I just discovered that you [[WP:CSD#G4|reposted material which was deleted]]. If you want the page to be restored, try [[WP:UNDEL|undeletion process]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 12:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

=== Welcome ===

Have fun at wikipedia! Maybe you can show me some of the stuff you know

about Wikipedia sometime. When I have more time I'll talk to you some more. [[User:Bloddyfriday|Bloddyfriday]] 15:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

Hi Eli. Thank you for taking the time to visit my RfA. Rest assured that I have heard every comment loud and clear, and will strive to use the mop carefully and responsibly. Please don't hesitate to give me constructive criticism anytime. [[User:Xiner|Xiner]] ([[User talk:Xiner|talk]], [[Special:Emailuser/Xiner|email]]) 00:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Thomas Eakins ==

Sorry I reverted you on this one, I meant to restore to an earlier version, not to imply you did something wrong, my apologies. - [[User:Myanw|Myanw]] 14:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for the disambig ==

Hi there, thanks for fixing the [[CFTR]] page and showing me the disambiguation template. I think that's the first disambig page I've ever made. I'll keep in mind what you said. Thanks again! --[[User:Tachikoma|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Tachikoma|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 19:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Category:People_from_Assam ==

It was an intentional delete. I have moved the content to [[:Category:People_from_Assam]]. It is not proper to identify people by their ethnic backgroud. Would you like to categorise famous personalities as White, Black, Hispanic, Asian etc? I would like to request you to delete that category again and place the items under [[:Category:People_from_Assam]]. -[[User:Bikram98|Bikram98]] 07:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== Reverted edits ==

You mistakenly identified many of my legitimate edits to [[Minnesota House of Representatives]] as vandalism. I did accidentally remove some information, but as soon as I noticed the mistake, I quickly reverted. Sorry, I thought I was in my Sandbox window. I hope you don't mind if I remove your warning from my userpage. <nowiki>::</nowiki> [[User:ZJH|ZJH]] ^{([[User talk:ZJH|T]] [[Special:Contributions/ZJH|C]] [[Special:Emailuser/ZJH|E]])} 11:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:The warning on your user page doesn't accuse you of anything except for not noticing or ignorance. The later warnings in the sequence '''do''' use the word '''vandalism, this one doesn't. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== Removing AfD votes ==

Why are you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/UH-60_Black_Hawk_in_popular_culture&diff=prev&oldid=116784984 removing AfD votes] of other editors? /[[User:Blaxthos|Blaxthos]] 04:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== Explanation? ==

As per the User Creation Log, you have created at least seven additional accounts ([[user:Asbrito]], [[user:Doctunell]], [[user:Dance4lifechick]], and others). Please stop doing that, and explain yourself. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 13:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

:If you had looked at the pages I edited around that time, you would see that I was helping other users at [[WP:ACC]] - people who want to sign up, but can't read the [[captcha]] needed to create it. There are probably more than 100 such users right now, that page is [[:Category:Wikipedia backlog|backlogged]], and I've been helping there. If you think that this shouldn't be happenning, convince the community - not me. I'm only taking part in a process which the community seems to accept. None of thec 24 user names I've created since this process started are mine, and I'm not using any of them. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Mishehu]] 08:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

*Good enough. I wasn't aware that that could be done by non-admins, though. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 20:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

::What a non-admin '''can't''' do is create an account name that's too similar to an existing one - users like me and [[User:tra|Tra]] leave comments in such cases for admins to handle. In addition, a software modification request to allow admins to be able to create many accounts from a single IP address has been made, and possibly already implemented - I can only create 6 from a single IP address. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Mishehu]] 07:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Okay. I was aware of ACC, but not that non-admins could participate. I'll admit that my immediate thought, upon seeing that you were creating multiple accounts, was to block you as an incipient sockmaster, but you were clearly a valid contributor. Thanks for helping out, and for being so reasonable about what could have been perceived me attacking you. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 13:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ping [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:WelcomeBotResearch#My_welcome_template belated answer]. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 16:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)