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[[Image:DSCN4624 holmescountyamishbuggy e.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Amish couple in a horse-drawn buggy in rural [[Holmes County, Ohio|Holmes County]], [[Ohio]], the site of one of the largest concentrations of Amish in the United States]]

The '''Amish''' are a denomination of [[Anabaptist|Anabaptists]], found primarily in the [[United States]] and [[Canada]], noted for their restrictions on the use of modern devices such as [[automobile|automobiles]] and [[electricity]]. The Amish are a tight-knit religious and ethnic group of overwhelmingly Swiss-German ancestry. They do not [[proselytise]] or generally accept converts. The Amish are divided into dozens of separate and conflicting [[Full communion|fellowship]]s, each of which believes it is the one true [[Christian church]]. They consider themselves "in the world but not of it" and therefore do not vote, join the [[military]], pay or draw [[Social Security]], or accept any form of assistance from the government. They are [[nonresistant]] and rarely defend themselves physically or even in court; in wartime, they take [[conscientious objector]] status.

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==History==

[[Image:amish cemetery.gif|thumb|280px|An old Amish cemetery in [[Lancaster County, Pennsylvania]], [[1941]]. Note that the stones are plain and small and the inscriptions are simple.]]

== '''Welcome to Wikipedia!''' ==

Like the [[Mennonite|Mennonites]], the Amish are descendants of the Swiss Anabaptists (1525). The Swiss Anabaptists, called the "Swiss Brethren", had their origins with [[Felix Manz]] and [[Conrad Grebel]]. The name "Mennonite" was applied later and came from [[Menno Simons]] (circa [[1496]]–[[1561]]), who was an Anabaptist leader in the Rhein Lowlands. Simons was a [[The Netherlands|Dutch]] [[Roman Catholic]] [[priest]] who converted to Anabaptism in [[1536]] and was baptized by [[Obbe Philips]] after renouncing his Catholic faith and office. He was a leader in the Lowland Anabaptist communities, but his influence reached gradually into Switzerland.

Dear Od Mishehu:

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The Amish movement takes its name from that of [[Jacob Amman]] (c. [[1656]] – c. [[1730]]), a Swiss Mennonite. Amman felt that the Mennonites were drifting from close adherence to the teachings of Simons and the [[1632]] Mennonite ''Dordrecht Confession of Faith''. Much of the laxity was in the area of shunning excluded members, also called ''the ban'' (or ''Meidung'' in Pennsylvania German). However, the Swiss Mennonites never did practice strict shunning as the Lowland Anabaptists did. The ban meant that believers would terminate contact with a non-conforming member of the Mennonite society. Amman insisted upon this practice, even to the point of a spouse's refusing to sleep or eat with the banned member until he/she repented of his/her behavior.

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This strict literalism brought about a division of the Swiss Mennonites, who, because of unwelcoming conditions in [[Switzerland]], were scattered throughout [[Alsace]] to the [[Palatinate]]. This division occurred in [[1693]], and led to the establishment of the Amish. Because the Amish are the result of a division with the Mennonites, some consider the Amish a conservative Mennonite group—and, indeed, some Amish would not disagree with this title. Some Amish began to migrate to the [[United States]] in the [[18th century]]. Many would eventually settle in [[Lancaster County, Pennsylvania|Lancaster County]], [[Pennsylvania]]; the first immigrants actually went to [[Berks County, Pennsylvania|Berks County]], but later moved, motivated partly by security issues, tied to the [[French and Indian War]], and land issues. Other groups settled in or spread to [[Illinois]], [[Indiana]], [[Iowa]], [[Michigan]], [[Minnesota]], [[Mississippi]], [[Missouri]], [[Nebraska]], [[New York]], [[Ohio]], [[Wisconsin]], [[Maine]], and even [[Canada]].

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==Amish split in two==

Most Amish communities that were established in North America did not ultimately retain their Amish identity. In fact, many more of the early communities eventually lost their Amish identity and gradually took on a Mennonite identity. The original major split that would result in the loss of identity occurred during the [[1860s]], during which decade were held conferences in [[Wayne County, Ohio|Wayne County]], [[Ohio]], concerning how the Amish should deal with the pressures of modern society.

Wikipedians try to follow a strict policy of [[Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers|never biting new users]]. If you are unsure of how to do something, you are welcome to ask a more experienced user such as an [[Wikipedia:Administrator|administrator]]. One last bit of advice: please sign any discussion comment with four tildes (~&#126;~~). The software will automatically convert this into your signature which can be altered in the "Preferences" tab at the top of the screen. I hope I have not overwhelmed you with information. If you need any help just let me know. Once again welcome to Wikipedia, and don't forget to [[Wikipedia:User page|tell us about]] [[User:{{PAGENAME}}|yourself]] and be [[Wikipedia:Bold|'''BOLD''']]! A very long-overdue welcome!<span class="plainlinks">[[User:NinaEliza|NinaEliza]]&nbsp;([[User talk:NinaEliza|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/NinaEliza|contribs]] <small>•</small> [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username={{urlencode:NinaEliza}}&site=en.wikipedia.org <span style="color:#002bb8">count</span>] <small>•</small> [{{SERVER}}/wiki/Special:Log?user={{urlencode:NinaEliza}} <span style="color:#002bb8">logs</span>] <small>•</small> [[Special:Emailuser/NinaEliza|email]]</span>) 02:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The Amish eventually split into several divisions, partly because of the decisions of these conferences. The divisions that chose to accept more change would eventually see their churches and communities become Mennonite.

==Lifestyle IP Block ==

[[Image:Amish vs modern transportation.jpg|thumb|right|220px|Amish and modern transportation in contrast; [[Pennsylvania]], [[United States]].]]

Amish lifestyle is dictated by the [[Ordnung]] of the community. Ordnung differ from community to community, and, within a community, from district to district. What is acceptable in one community may not be acceptable in another. No résumé of Amish lifestyle can be totally adequate because there are few generalities that are true for all Amish.

Psst, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:193.253.29.71 that block] was made in 200''5''.

===Modern technology===

<small>[[User:Night Gyr|Night Gyr]] ([[User talk:Night Gyr|talk]]/[[User:Night Gyr/Over|Oy]]) 18:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)</small>

Many Amish, especially those of the Old Order, are renowned for their avoidance of modern technologies. The avoidance of items such as automobiles and electricity is largely misunderstood. The Amish do not view all technology as evil. Technologies can be petitioned for acceptance into the Amish lifestyle. In some communities, the church leaders meet to review items for admittance. In others, it is done whenever necessary. Because the Amish, like other Mennonites, and unlike the Catholic or Anglican Churches, do not have a top-down governing structure, differing communities often have different ideas as to which technological items are acceptable.

:Sorry, my mistake. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 10:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Welcome ==

Electricity, for instance, is viewed as a connection to the "World", the "English", or "Yankees" (the outside world). The use of electricity also could lead to the use of household appliances that would complicate the Amish tradition of a simple life. However, in certain Amish groups, electricity can be used in very specific situations. In some groups, for example, it has to be produced without access to outside power lines. Twelve-volt batteries are acceptable to these groups. Electric generators can only be used for welding, recharging batteries, and powering milk stirrers. The reasoning behind the twelve-volt system is that it limits what an individual can do with the electricity and acts as a preventive measure against potential abuses. Most twelve-volt power sources can't generate enough current to power what is viewed as worldly, modern appliances such as televisions, light bulbs, and hair dryers. In certain situations, outdoor electrical appliances may be used: lawn mowers (riding and hand-pushed) and string trimmers, for example.

Welcome to Wikipedia. [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]^{<small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small>} 19:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Amish communities often adopt compromise solutions involving technology which may seem strange to outsiders. For example, many communities will allow gas powered farm equipment such as tillers or mowers, but only if they are pushed by a human or pulled by a horse. The reasoning is that Amish farmers will not be tempted to purchase more land and outcompete other farmers in their community if they still have to move the equipment manually. Many Amish communities also accept the use of chemical pesticides and [[GM crops]]. Again, it is not technology itself, but rather its potential negative effects on the community, which the Amish wish to avoid.

'''Thank you''' for reverting vandalism to the article November 25. Your help is greatly appreciated. I notice that after you reverted the vandalism, you didn't warn the user involved. Could I ask that in the future you consider warning users who vandalize article? Its easy to do and has two significant benefits. First it tells the vandal that we are keeping an eye on them - many users stop vandalizing as soon as they receive a warning. Second it lets other editors know about previous episodes of vandalism and makes it much easier to leave appropriate warnings and know when to impose blocks, if required.

===Language===

Warning is really easy. Just leave a {{[[Template:test|test]]}} tag on the user's talk page. In the first case of vandalism you leave a {{[[Template:test1|test1]]}}, the second time {{[[Template:test2|test2]]}} and so on up to {{[[Template:test4|test4]]}}. If the user already has a recent {{[[Template:test4|test4]]}} notice you can report them to the [[WP:AIV|vandalism noticeboard]]. You can learn more about the warning system at the [[WP:VAN#Warnings|vandalism]] page. Good luck and thanks again for helping us remove vandalism from Wikipedia. Best, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 17:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

In addition to English, most Amish speak a distinctive [[High Germanic languages|High German]] [[dialect]] often called [[Pennsylvania German language|Pennsylvania German or Pennsylvania Dutch]], which the Amish themselves call Deitsch (''German''). The commonly-used term "[[Pennsylvania Dutch]]" comes from the original use of the word ''Dutch'', which referred to all people who spoke one of the many German–Dutch dialects and not just people from the [[Netherlands]].

:I figured that the anon user may not yet have seen that he had a messgae when he clicked on the '''Save page''' button for the second edit. I always give users such a chance before giving them a second warning. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 17:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The so-called Swiss Amish speak an [[Alemannic]] dialect that they call "Swiss". Finally, more progressive [[Beachy Amish]], especially those who were born roughly after 1960, tend to speak predominantly in English at home.

::Fair enough, just wanted to make sure you knew about the warning messages. Best, [[User:Gwernol|Gwernol]] 17:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::If you had looked at my contributions, you would have seen that I do give such warnings. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 17:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

===Dress=Six Laws==

[[Dress code]] for some groups includes prohibitions against buttons, allowing only hooks and eyes to keep clothing closed; other groups allow members to sew buttons onto clothing. In some groups, certain articles can have buttons and others cannot. (The reason for the restriction on buttons is their former association with the military.) The Amish are noted for the quality of their [[quilt|quilts]] and for their farming efficiency.

Well hello!! Thank you for being [[Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages|bold]], I'm afraid I'm going to have to remove that merge tag because Sheva Mitzvas came much later! I would of course love for you to contribute to it and expand the subject, there are only a handful of medrashim and gemoras talking about this. [[User:FrummerThanThou|frummer]] 23:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[[image:Farm-amish-phone-booth.jpg|thumb|250px|left|Telephone booth set up by an "English" farmer for emergency use by local Amish families.]]

:#Rather than removing the tag, how about discussing it, to see if the Wikipedian community agrees with you.

:#The Sheva Mitzvas are a slight extension of the six, the only addition being a result of the fact that people can now eat meat.

:[[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 23:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

::That's right, no eiver min hachai if there's no bosor. RE your point that 7MbN are an extension of the 6, it is true, but consider this - there where ten doiros when these 6 where in effect, when people couldn't eat meat, therefore I think it deserve its own article, especially since it was given to Adam by Hashem, where as the 7MbN in a separate instance where given to Noach by Hashem. Since the article is under construction and yet to cite the midrashic sources, I'm not sure if the merge tag should stay on. [[User:FrummerThanThou|frummer]] 00:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

== Shortepa ==

An Amish man will typically be clean-shaven as long as he is single. Upon getting married, he will grow a beard. In some communities, however, a man will grow a beard after he is baptized. Mustaches are generally not allowed because they are seen as symbols of the military, a custom with origins in the religious and political persecution in the [[16th century|16th-]] and [[17th century|17th-century]] [[European]]. Men of the nobility and upper classes, who often served as military officers, wore mustaches but not beards.

My dear Od Mishehu,everything you wrote about this article is a violation against the idea of Wikipedia.The article is absolutely normal for such kind of places-small districts with few villages in them.All the sources are riliable and public-maps and official census data.It is not categorised,because there is no suitable category for it (except Afghanistan stubs).So please leave the article as it is and if somebody ever wants to write more,let he does it.I strongly insist you to step back and remove all your templates,or I will contact Wikipedia for your patroling.Have a nice duty![[User:Drjmarkov|Drjmarkov]] 22:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)drjmarkov

===Other===

:About the categorization, there are several [[:Category:Geography by place|geographic categories]] which such an article could be put into.

The Amish and other Anabaptists do not believe that a child can be meaningfully baptized; this is, in fact, reflected in the name ''Anabaptist'' (which means "rebaptizer", as the Anabaptists would baptize adults). Amish children are expected to follow the will of their parents in all issues; but, when they come of age, they may lead a lifestyle of their own choice. In fact, in some communities, parents may turn their back as their children try out the "English" lifestyle of the outside world for a few years (the period of [[rumspringa]], or running-around) so that they can make an "informed" choice to be baptized and join the church for life. Some choose not to join the church but to live the rest of their lives in the society at large. Some communities will actively shun those who decide to leave the church, even those going to a different Amish congregation with different interpretations of how things ought to be done. Still other communities practice hardly any shunning, keeping close family and social contact with those who leave the church. Some communities have split in the last century over how they apply the shunning, as in the case of the Holmes County and area Amish settlement.

:About the other claims, I'd like you to show me a few more similar articles.

:[[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 05:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I even can show you other articles with less information in them,so if you are vigilant you would detect them by yourself,but you have not.I try to organise the mess with the Afghani districts and to help people,who occasionally come upon them,easy to locate them on the map,because of all the variety of names for them.You can be sure,that more information for some of the districts you cannot retrieve even if you go there.So leave this topic,if it is out of your interest.Maybe after many years there will appear more information for them and people to add it.I do not create articles ,which are not needed,I make the blank links not be thus.The links have been created before me.You have to be very eager in your patroling job to make fuss in the Christmass Eve for the districts in the Balkh province,Afghanistan.Use your energy for much more usefull aims.Merry Christmass and Happy New Year![[User:Drjmarkov|Drjmarkov]] 06:17, 25 December 2006 (UTC)drjmarkov

==IP number==

Amish communities may be slightly or even drastically different from each other. These differences can appear from district to district even within the same community. When describing details of dress codes, lifestyles, etc., a careful writer will note the specific community being discussed. These differences range from profound (such as groups like the "black bumper Amish" (Beachy Amish) who have come to accept chromeless automobiles and are widely seen as non-Amish by other groups) to what we may consider trivial (such as the disagreements between "one suspender" and "two suspender" groups or how many pleats there are in a bonnet). Groups with similar policies are held to be "in fellowship" and consider each other members of the same Christian church. These groups can visit and intermarry between one another, an important consideration to avoid problems with inbreeding. Thus minor disagreements within communities over dairy equipment or telephones in workshops can become splinter churches and divide multiple communities.

Okay, thanks for letting me know...I was just in the process of investigating. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] 09:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The Amish as a whole feel the pressures of the modern world. Child labor laws, for example, are seriously threatening their long-established ways of life. Amish children are taught at an early age (by modern 21st century standards) to work hard. Amish parents will supervise the children in new tasks to ensure that they learn to do it effectively and safely. The modern child labor laws conflict with allowing the Amish parents to decide whether or not their children are competent in hazardous tasks.

== 24.3.28.181 ==

Like many [[Mennonites]], many Amish also shun [[insurance]], relying on their church and community for support. An example of such support is [[barn raising]], in which the entire community gathers together to replace a barn, which has been destroyed by fire or some natural disaster, in a single day.

[[image:Nappanee-indiana-amish-acres.jpg|thumb|200px|Amish Acres, an Amish crafts and tourist attraction in [[Nappanee, Indiana]].]]

As almost all of the current Amish descend from the same few hundred founders in the 18th century they have been plagued by heritable genetic disorders. Some of these disorders are quite rare, in some cases even unique, and some are very serious. These disorders affect the children and have led to a higher mortality rate among them. The majority of the Amish accept these as "Gottes Wille" (God's will) and reject any use of genetic tests prior to the marriage to prevent the appearance of these disorders and refuse genetic tests to the fetus to discover if a child has any genetic disorder. Physically and mentally disabled children are given the same loving care as unaffected children. However, there is sometimes genetic diversity from one community to another if the historical relationships between these communities are distant enough. So, genetic diseases which are common in one community, will often be absent in another. For example, although within the Lancaster County Amish, there are only a few founding families, these founding families are quite distant to the founding families of the Perth County Amish community in Canada.

Ok, sweet. <tt class="plainlinks">[[User:Khoikhoi|Khoi]][[User talk:Khoikhoi|khoi]]</tt> 09:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Many parents are using modern technology to care for their children. The large majority received special dispensations for the use of some electric appliances from their religious leaders but in some cases it was impossible to obtain and has led to some parents to leaving the traditional lifestyle and subsequently being "banned" by their community. Ironically, some Amish have enthusiastically adopted [[GM food|genetically engineered crops]] for their efficiency.

== Re: My block of [[User:Deathrocker]] ==

The Amish pay the same [[tax]]es that anyone else pays, but many are exempt from [[Social Security (United States)|Social Security]] under a provision of the [[Medicare (United States)|Medicare]] bill enacted in 1965. This provision allows for self-employed Amish to be exempt from Social Security taxes. (This exemption is for anyone who meets the guidelines of the provision.) However, if working for someone else as an employee, the SS tax is to be paid. The Amish do not accept government welfare, such as [[Medicaid]]/[[Medicare (United States)|Medicare]], and [[food stamps]]. The self-employed Amish that do not pay into Social Security do not take from it either. Also, those that do pay into SS do not apply for the benefits. Amish pay school taxes for public schools they do not use and for many other services which they do not use.

Thanks for letting me know. [[User:Mangojuice|Mangojuice]] beat me to it, and I think his explanation was sufficient. --[[User:Idont Havaname|Idont Havaname]] ([[User talk:Idont Havaname|Talk]]) 21:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Shipshewana-indiana-amish-buggy.jpg|thumb|Amish buggy rides offered in tourist-oriented [[Shipshewana, Indiana]].]]

:I've been keeping track of [[template:unblock|<nowiki>{{unblock}}</nowiki>]] requests. This user got my attention before [[User:Mangojuice|Mangojuice]] got there, and I decided to make sure you know about this. I believe that any blocked user who places such a request deserves a responce (even if it's negative), and I do my best to ensure that they get it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 21:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

== [[Cetartiodactyla]] ==

==Status==

Dear Od Mishehu, I find your global incorporation of this "taxon" a little bizarre! I read the relevant article, and the whole thing seems to be within the realms of "possibility only", and not even subscribed to by all leading evolutionists... A particular hobby-horse of yours, I wonder? Anyway, if you agree that the main article itself is substantively correct, then I suggest the introgression of this "superorder" into every conceivabale animal taxobox that "fits" is a little over the top. I suggest we leave the "accepted taxonomy" as is and leave the conjecture to higher-order taxonomic articles...what do you think? Thanks--[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 21:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

:This taxon seems to be more agreed on now then [[Artiodactyla]] as far as the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life]] links show. I asked abot it both at [[Talk:Even-toed ungulate]] and at [[talk:Cetacea]], and no one objected. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 21:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

::Thanks for your feedback. Sorry that the articles you "sounded out" were not then on my watchlist. For the record, please put me down as a respondent "not convinced". That would give a score of 0–1 for–against :-) sorry ;-) --[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 21:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

::Earlier I added a comment on this same issue below. See [[User_talk:Eli_Falk#Why_add_superorder_Cetartiodactyla_to_all_taxoboxes_about_whales.21.3F]] for more... --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 09:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The Amish reside in close-knit communities in 22 states of the [[United States]] as well as [[Ontario, Canada]]. The largest concentrations of Amish in the United States are in [[Holmes County, Ohio]] and [[Lancaster County, Pennsylvania]]. By state, the largest Amish population is in Ohio, and the second largest in Pennsylvania. There are an estimated 228,000 Amish in the United States in all groups, and another 1500 in Ontario, Canada. Some Beachy Amish have relocated to Central America in an attempt to remove themselves from the influences of modern society, including a sizable settlement near San Ignacio, [[Belize]].

:::Dear Od Mishehu, Thanks for reverting '''some''' of the "Cetartiodactyla"s in taxoboxes; however, you have missed [[Antilopinae]] and maybe more... Thanks again!—[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 20:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The strictest Amish groups are the [[Nebraska Amish]], [[Troyer Amish]] and the [[Swartzendruber Amish]] groups. The language used in all [[Old Order Amish]] homes and in many [[Beachy Amish]] homes is [[Pennsylvania German language|Pennsylvania German]] (or "Pennsylvania Dutch"). English is used with the outside world.

:::Thanks from me too. Sorry I have been coming on a bit too strongly. BTW I have now also downloaded the AWB software and see if I can contribute too... [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 08:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Amish that leave the old ways often remain near their community, and in general, there are levels of progression from strict Amish gradually to more liberal groups (usually [[Mennonite]]).

::::At this point, any which I missed would probably be better to find by hand, anyway. Just look through the pages which link to [[Cetartiodactyla]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 09:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

*Dear Od Mishehu, I wonder whether the inclusion of this taxon would be more approrpiate in the context of the Wikispecies project...?—[[User:Grmanners|GRM]] 16:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

==Other==

== Why add superorder Cetartiodactyla to all taxoboxes about whales!? ==

People who are not well acquainted with [[Mormonism]] and the Amish sometimes confuse the two, despite the vast differences between them. These misconceptions can sometimes be perpetuated in the [[mass media]]. For example, the film [[Witness_(1985_movie)|''Witness'']] is centered on an Amish community. However, the Spanish and French versions of this film mistranslated "Amish" as "[[Mormon]]". [[Roseanne Barr]] has played on this misconception by referring to Mormons as "Nazi Amish".

I can see that you have been massively adding superorder Cetartiodactyla to all taxoboxes in articles about whales. This is undesirable because of two reasons:

The [[2002]] [[documentary film|documentary]] ''[[The Devil's Playground]]'' is another film about the Amish community, focusing on the Amish tradition of [[Rumspringa]].

* It is preferred to only add main taxa to the taxoboxes and not intermediate ones like superorders, superfamilies, ''unless'' it clarifies the classification of the particular taxon described in the article. Otherwise it is unnecessary information that makes the taxobox less readable.

* Although the evidence for and acceptance of 'Cetartiodactyla' is growing, it is still controversial enough to leave it out of authoritative lists like taxoboxes for now.

I hope you agree with this point, and either turn back the changes yourself or allow me or others to do it...

Kind regards, --[[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 09:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI: From [[Wikipedia:Taxobox usage#Classification]]:

The Amish have, on occasion, encountered discrimination and hostility from their neighbors; in some places, this has taken the form of systematic harassment, particularly ''claipping'', the act of pelting the horse-drawn carriages used by the Amish with stones or similar objects as the carriages pass along a road, most commonly at night (''claip'' is apparently a derogatory term directed at the Amish in some localities; its origin is uncertain). A [[1988]], made-for-TV film, ''[[A Stoning In Fulham County]]'', is based on a true story involving one such incident, in which a six-month-old Amish infant girl was struck in the head by a rock and died from her injuries. In [[1997]], a young Amish woman in [[Milverton, Ontario|Milverton]], [[Ontario, Canada]] was struck in the face by a beer bottle believed to have been thrown from a passing car; she required thousands of dollars' worth of surgery to her face (which was paid for by an outpouring of donations from the public). It was later found that this was not a case of 'claipping', as the bottle had been thrown by another group of Amish youth in a passing buggy.

Taxoboxes should include all major ranks above the taxon described in the article, plus minor ranks

On [[July 28]], [[2004]], [[UPN]] began airing ''[[Amish in the City]]'', a [[reality television]] series which involved five Amish teenagers being installed in a house in the [[Hollywood Hills]] to experience "American" culture and to decide at the show's end whether to rejoin their own culture (a variant of the Amish tradition of [[Rumspringa]]). It was later revealed that these Amish youths were already living apart from their Amish parents prior to the show.

that are important to understanding the classification of the taxon described in the article, or

which are discussed in the article. Other minor ranks should be omitted.

--[[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 09:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Amish enjoy a special legal status, as proved in [[Wisconsin v. Yoder]], which stated that Amish adolescents can be exempt from the state law prescribing compulsory education until the age of 16 because their religion requires them to live apart from society. To compel them to visit school would therefore violate their rights under the [[Free Exercise Clause]].

:You have rashly inserted this superorder in a massive amount of taxoboxes. As this clearly is deviating from common usage of taxoboxes, I would prefer that you revert these changes yourself. This is a lot of work and your responsibility, and as you are using some advanced wiki-editor yourself, it should be much easier for you to do than any of us. [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 07:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sociology professor [[John A. Hostetler]] (1918-2001), who was born into an Amish family, wrote several books about the Amish, [[Hutterites]], and [[Old Order Mennonites]], and was considered one of the foremost academic authorities on the Amish.

==See also==

* [[Pennsylvania Dutch]]

* [[Pennsylvania German language]]

* [[Beachy Amish]]

* [[Amish music]]

* [[Barn raising]]

* [[Hex signs]]

* [[Lancaster County, Pennsylvania]]

* [[Old Order Amish]]

* [[Peace church]]

* [[Simple living]]

* ''[[Martyrs Mirror]]''

* ''[[Witness (1985 film)|Witness]]'', 1985 film

* ''[[The Devil's Playground]]'', 2002 film

== Categorization ==

==External links==

Thanks. I have a friend who will hopefully do that in the next few days. —[[User:Dfass|Dfass]] 07:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

'''Amish Culture and Tourism'''

* [http://pittsburgh.about.com/library/weekly/aa061302a.htm Amish 101 - Amish Beliefs, History &amp; Lifestyle]

* [http://www.800padutch.com/amish.shtml Pennsylvania Dutch]

* [http://www.ship.edu/%7Ecgboeree/amishlinks.html Amish links]

* [http://www.amishnews.com/amishseries.htm "Amish Series &amp; Articles"] - from ''Amish Country News''

== Category tags ==

'''Amish, Government and the Law'''

Thank you for the tip on removing tags. I did have the misunderstanding that stub tags were, in some cases, sufficient. --[[User:Casiraghitrio|Ashley Rovira]] 13:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

* [http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.html The Gentle People] - [[Legal Affairs]] article about how sexual abuse is handled in the Amish community

*[http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/jan06/382837.asp article about a hate crime against the Amish in Wisconsin]

'''Amish Genetic Disorders'''

* [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/08/60II/main700519.shtml Genetic Disorders Hit Amish Hard] - from 60 Minutes, CBS News

* [http://www.miami.edu/ummedicine-magazine/Spring2004/fstory4.html "Family Ties" - Article from University of Miami "Medicine" magazine, Spring 2004] During a lifetime of studying the Old Order Amish in central Pennsylvania, University of Miami professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences Janice Egeland, Ph.D., discovers the genetic clues behind the mystery of bipolar disorder and helps generations of families cope with the devastating disease.

== [[AAPLAC]] ==

I saw you endorsed my prod originally of this article (with {{t1|prod2}}). Given your edit, I thought you'd like to know it's at AfD now, as the prod was removed.^{[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/AAPLAC]} Cheers, '''[[User:Daniel.Bryant|Daniel.Bryant]] ^{[&nbsp;[[User talk:Daniel.Bryant|T]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Daniel.Bryant|C]]&nbsp;]}''' 12:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

'''Amish and Technology'''

*[http://wired-vig.wired.com/wired/archive/7.01/amish.html Look Who's Talking] - [[Wired_magazine|''Wired'']] article about the Amish's selective and not technophobic use of technology

== My Request for Adminship ==

'''In Pennsylvania Dutch'''

* [http://amisch.de/penn/index.php?title=Amish Amish]

{| style="background-color: #339999; border: solid 1px darkcyan;"

| [[Image:Bastike-tan.jpg|100px|Thanks for contributing to my RfA!]]

| style="background-color: #e8ffff; padding: 1em; border: solid 1px darkcyan;" | Thank you for your support in my [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Nilfanion|my RfA]], which passed with a tally of '''117/0/1'''. I hope that my conduct as an [[WP:ADMIN|admin]] lives up to the somewhat flattering confidence the community has shown in me. Please don't hesitate to leave a message on [[User talk:Nilfanion|my talk page]] should you need anything or want to discuss something with me.--[[User:Nilfanion|Nilf]][[commons:User:Nilfanion|anion]] ([[User talk:Nilfanion|talk]]) 16:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

|}

== Thanks, added to catagory automobiles ==

[[0 to 60mph]]

[[User:Speeddemonvegas|Speeddemonvegas]] 02:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Unblock requests ==

Thanks, but I was aware of that. The thing is, the blocking admin is ''not'' permitted to deny a request for unblock, the idea being to allow the blocked editor to get a seconod opinion. We're only allowed to accept unblock requests, which I have no intention of doing because the account is clearly a sock puppet of a blocked editor. -- [[User:Vary|Vary]] | [[User talk:Vary|Talk]] 15:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, but for an other admin to have the proper grounds for a reaction, a simple '''Sock of [[User:Piratesofsml]], evading block''' isn't enough. If you give your evidence, then an other admin can decide based on it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 18:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

::And so I did, on [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Piratesofsml]] (linked to from the template on the user's page) where such evidence belongs, or so I'm told. -- [[User:Vary|Vary]] | [[User talk:Vary|Talk]] 19:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== PLEASE RESPOND and revert your own mistakes ==

[[Category:Amish|*]]

[[Category:People from Pennsylvania]]

[[Category:Pennsylvania culture]]

Well I can see that apparently you do read your talk page. I want to insist '''strongly''' that you yourself revert the superfluous and rash insertion of 'Cetartiodactyla' to all taxoboxes concerning cetaceans or artiodactyls. It would seem that you used some special software for this and the number of articles this has been done for now is so huge that it is much harder for us mere mortals to revert all the damage you have done than it would be for you. '''Please''' step up and clean up your own mess!! [[User:Fedor|Fedor]] 13:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[[da:Amish]]

[[de:Amische]]

== Abortion by region ==

[[es:Amish]]

[[eo:Amiŝismo]]

I'd like the category http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abortion_by_region to be deleted per discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abortion#Hierarchy Can you delete it? Thanks.[[User:Ferrylodge|Ferrylodge]] 01:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[[fr:Amish]]

:It's already been done according to [[WP:CSD#G7|G7 - author request]]. I'm not a [[Wikipedia:List of administrators|admin]], so I can't delete things. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 18:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[[it:Amish]]

[[he:איימיש]]

== Article needing to be Wikified ==

[[nl:Amish]]

[[ja:アーミッシュ]]

I have created the Wikipedia article "Academy Hill School", a school where I serve as lead teacher. My intent is to have a group of students work on the article over the next few weeks, adding headings, details, sections, etc. I am hoping that it will not be deleted before my students can do this. How long will I have before it is deemed natable enough to continue to be included? [[User:Carolrosenthal|Carolrosenthal]] 00:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Carolrosenthal

[[no:Amish]]

:It looks safe for now. I wouldn't worry unless a deletion tag is put at the top. I don't think it can be [[WP:CSD|speedied]], and if it gets [[WP:PROD|prodded]] you have time left to deal with it - wait till near the end of the 5 days before removing it to maximize your time.

[[pl:Amisze]]

:By the way, about writing an article about a school where you teach, I'd recommend looking at [[WP:COI]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 10:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[[pt:Amish]]

[[sv:Amish]]

== Uncat template aesthetics ==

[[zh:阿米什人]]

There was a fairly clear consensus from discussion at [[CAT:NOCAT]] to add them at the bottom, and I don't see how it's feasible for a bot to make stylistic decisions about the best place to place it. Hopefully someone inconvenienced thereby will either fix the categorisation, or move the template by hand. If you feel the template is too large, you might want to bring that up on its talk page. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

== ==

Yes, sorry, sometimes i forget to do things :) [[User:Gaudio|Gaudio]] 22:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== re Academic organizations ==

Hi, I am a relatively new wikipedian and I wasn't aware that categories need to belong to categories. I have looked at the entry and will try to add to it as requested. I believe it is an important way to organize this information. Thank you for your vigilance. [[User:Canticle|Canticle]] 22:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Copyvio stuff ==

Thanks for that. I knew it was blatant, so I did what I thought was best. You live, you learn. --[[User:DodgerOfZion|DodgerOfZion]] 05:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== Copyvio [[Aina Topa Hutsi]] ==

please remove that notice, the content isn't copyrighted to begin with it is a history of and organization which I my self currently lead, so it is my material to use. Next it is info from the BSA from the Alamo Area Council Website, the BSA and the council do not have copyrights on historical information. It is a Non-Creative work and thus is not copyrighted. [[User:Jwestmcc|Jwestmcc]] 02:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

:There are instructions on the copyright notice I put up there. If you think this isn't under copyright, follow those instructions. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 09:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Better yet you made a mistake and you should be a man about it and fix it. It's not my job to clean up after you, because for some reason you find it neccesary to abuse power and not care about the fact that you made a mistake. [[User:Jwestmcc|Jwestmcc]] 22:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

:I think that for me to go now and remove the copyvio would be considered vandalism. Anyway, before the admins delete it, they will have to double check that it is a copyvio - so you should put your effort towards making sure they think it's okay. By the way, they already un-copyvioed one article I did.

:I'm telling you I did it in [[WP:AGF|good faith]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 06:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Your [[WP:PROD|PROD]] of [[Abdul Rahman Husseini]] ==

It looks to me like your prod was for the vandalized version of the page - in which case the right solution is to revert the vandalism (as I did). If your prod was about the unvcandalized version of the page - I object; if you still want it deleted - feel free to use AfD. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

:Oops. Yes, I know how to deal with vandalism; I thought it was left over from a bodged page move (the sort of thing that would be sent to RfD, except that in this case it wasn't actually a redirect). Now I see this was not the case – [[User:Qxz|Qxz]] 11:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==Deleting Categories of Jewish Athletes==

Hi. I believe this is related to an issue that has interested you in the past. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion#Category:Jewish_fencers some people are suggesting that Jewish athletes, beginning with Jewish Fencers, should be deleted. I do not think that is the correct approach, or consistent with wiki policy, and thought that others might want to weigh in on the discussion. --[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 13:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 13:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] 23:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

== Fox ==

No, a fox is definitely a mammal, even if it's undergoing oxydizing reaction :) The mammals cat is pretty large so I'm excluding humans and primates for now. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

*Yeah yeah I know. That list isn't particularly serious to begin with. I'm not at all sure if BrighterOrange is a color or a fruit (or, I suppose, the three the fruit grows on, or Orange County). If he objects he may move it. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 15:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== Uncategorised articles ==

excuse me, but i dont understand your comment on my userpage?

I was under the impression that 'stub' put it into the category of articles that were new and lacking, and thus needed inprovement?

if that was wrong then that was wrong, and i'd like to know so i dont do it again -- as far as 'not good enough' and 'i should put it in the correct category' is concerned tho, the whole point of a wiki is that one person doesn't have to do everything. as well as categorisation, it also needs, imo, an illustrative picture and more words. i couldn't be arsed to provide these, so i just started it off and left it for others to finish, bit by bit, wiki style. --[[User:Dak|Dak]] 23:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

:Stub articles, in order to be improved, should be classified with similar stubs - for example, an expert on [[Mammals]] can find [[:Category:Mammal stubs|stubs about mammals]] as a seperate place from [[:Category:Insect stubs|stubs about bugs]] - a subject this user may know less about. In addition, [[:Category:Stubs]] and {{tl|stub}} don't make it easier for a user trying to find information on [[weapons]] - while placing a <nowiki>[[Category:Weapons]]</nowiki> on the page does. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 09:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

== {{[[Template:uncategorizedstub|uncategorizedstub]]}} ==

I'm holding off tagging with this while the backlogs are so large; it seems overkill to have an article in both "queues", when there are so many waiting in both. If and when the backlog at CAT:NOCAT is cleared, or at least down to more reasonable proportions, I'll be happy to sweep through all the stubs with no permcats, and tag those. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 12:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Uncategorization ==

Okay, thanks, I forgot to categorize as I usually don't start new pages (somebody always beats me to the punch). [[User:Yonatanh|Yonatan]] ([[Special:Contributions/Yonatanh|contribs]]/[[User_talk:Yonatanh|talk]]) 13:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

==Unblanking==

If you'll notice, I unblanked it and then redirected it to the proper article. As the facilitator of the Burma WikiProject, I keep an eye on such things. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 07:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

Hello Od Mishehu, I responded to your optional question at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/WilliamKF]] and wondered if you had had a chance to review it, and had any comments or further questions? Thanks. [[User:WilliamKF|WilliamKF]] 21:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

== Re: To protect your page from vandalism ==

''If you want to have [[User:Onorem|your user page]] protected from vandalism, I think you should leave a request for [[WP:SEMI|semi-protection]] at [[WP:RFP]]. That way, the Wikipedia software will prevent anon users and new users from editing it, while allowing you to edit it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 12:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)''

:Thank you for the suggestion, but the vandalism really doesn't bother me enough to make additional work for the people over at [[WP:RFP]]. Reverting takes little effort, and the more time they spend on my user page, the less time they have to vandalize useful mainspace pages. --[[User:Onorem|Onorem]] 12:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Regarding [[Ranchi]] ==

I have actually created two new pages [[Schools_of_Ranchi]] and [[Colleges_of_Ranchi]], and added the links on the page [[Ranchi]], but I see that you have already reverted to my second last edit, should I revert it to my latest edit or remove the 2 articles?

[[User:Mayank Abhishek|Mayank Abhishek]] 11:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:When I see a large removal of text from Wikipedia with no [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]], I always revert it. If you have a good reason for removal of text from a Wikipedia page, please use the summary to explain it. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:: Done, I hope it is OK! [[User:Mayank Abhishek|Mayank Abhishek]] 12:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

==Eksi Sozluk==

I don't understand why Wikipedia feels justify not to carry the [[Eksi sozluk]] article. It is the most important open source community in the Turkish-speaking world, inspiring many spinoffs. It also has great political significance in the democratization of the country. The article shouldn't be deleted. However, POV paragraphs should be erased. Bestlyriccollection

:Check the [[WP:AFD|votes for deletion]] - at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ekşi Sözlük|the original article's entry]]. I didn't decide to delete it - I just discovered that you [[WP:CSD#G4|reposted material which was deleted]]. If you want the page to be restored, try [[WP:UNDEL|undeletion process]]. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 12:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

=== Welcome ===

Have fun at wikipedia! Maybe you can show me some of the stuff you know

about Wikipedia sometime. When I have more time I'll talk to you some more. [[User:Bloddyfriday|Bloddyfriday]] 15:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

Hi Eli. Thank you for taking the time to visit my RfA. Rest assured that I have heard every comment loud and clear, and will strive to use the mop carefully and responsibly. Please don't hesitate to give me constructive criticism anytime. [[User:Xiner|Xiner]] ([[User talk:Xiner|talk]], [[Special:Emailuser/Xiner|email]]) 00:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Thomas Eakins ==

Sorry I reverted you on this one, I meant to restore to an earlier version, not to imply you did something wrong, my apologies. - [[User:Myanw|Myanw]] 14:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for the disambig ==

Hi there, thanks for fixing the [[CFTR]] page and showing me the disambiguation template. I think that's the first disambig page I've ever made. I'll keep in mind what you said. Thanks again! --[[User:Tachikoma|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Tachikoma|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 19:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Category:People_from_Assam ==

It was an intentional delete. I have moved the content to [[:Category:People_from_Assam]]. It is not proper to identify people by their ethnic backgroud. Would you like to categorise famous personalities as White, Black, Hispanic, Asian etc? I would like to request you to delete that category again and place the items under [[:Category:People_from_Assam]]. -[[User:Bikram98|Bikram98]] 07:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== Reverted edits ==

You mistakenly identified many of my legitimate edits to [[Minnesota House of Representatives]] as vandalism. I did accidentally remove some information, but as soon as I noticed the mistake, I quickly reverted. Sorry, I thought I was in my Sandbox window. I hope you don't mind if I remove your warning from my userpage. <nowiki>::</nowiki> [[User:ZJH|ZJH]] ^{([[User talk:ZJH|T]] [[Special:Contributions/ZJH|C]] [[Special:Emailuser/ZJH|E]])} 11:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

:The warning on your user page doesn't accuse you of anything except for not noticing or ignorance. The later warnings in the sequence '''do''' use the word '''vandalism, this one doesn't. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 11:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== Removing AfD votes ==

Why are you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/UH-60_Black_Hawk_in_popular_culture&diff=prev&oldid=116784984 removing AfD votes] of other editors? /[[User:Blaxthos|Blaxthos]] 04:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== Explanation? ==

As per the User Creation Log, you have created at least seven additional accounts ([[user:Asbrito]], [[user:Doctunell]], [[user:Dance4lifechick]], and others). Please stop doing that, and explain yourself. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 13:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

:If you had looked at the pages I edited around that time, you would see that I was helping other users at [[WP:ACC]] - people who want to sign up, but can't read the [[captcha]] needed to create it. There are probably more than 100 such users right now, that page is [[:Category:Wikipedia backlog|backlogged]], and I've been helping there. If you think that this shouldn't be happenning, convince the community - not me. I'm only taking part in a process which the community seems to accept. None of thec 24 user names I've created since this process started are mine, and I'm not using any of them. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Mishehu]] 08:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

*Good enough. I wasn't aware that that could be done by non-admins, though. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 20:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

::What a non-admin '''can't''' do is create an account name that's too similar to an existing one - users like me and [[User:tra|Tra]] leave comments in such cases for admins to handle. In addition, a software modification request to allow admins to be able to create many accounts from a single IP address has been made, and possibly already implemented - I can only create 6 from a single IP address. [[User:Od Mishehu|Od]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Mishehu]] 07:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Okay. I was aware of ACC, but not that non-admins could participate. I'll admit that my immediate thought, upon seeing that you were creating multiple accounts, was to block you as an incipient sockmaster, but you were clearly a valid contributor. Thanks for helping out, and for being so reasonable about what could have been perceived me attacking you. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] 13:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ping [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:WelcomeBotResearch#My_welcome_template belated answer]. // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 16:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)