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===[[Todd Shriber]]===

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The change in dynasty in China from the [[Tang]] to the dynasties that included the [[Song]] did not greatly interrupt the trends of [[Islam in China|Muslims]] established during the [[Tang]].

:{{la|Todd Shriber}} <includeonly> — ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Todd Shriber|View AfD]])</includeonly>

'''Deletion nomination''' Ex-medium level politics professional (communications director i.e. press officer for a congressman) involved in minor scandal which got him fired. Scandal involved an attempt to hire hackers to change his college [[Grade point average|GPA]] - not illegal arms sales, leaking secrets to foreign powers, fixing elections, burying bodies in the desert etc etc etc. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=ExI&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Todd+Shriber%22+rehberg&sa=N&tab=nw ~670 google hits, mainly blogs]. Very limited press coverage[http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ExI&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Todd%20Shriber%22%20rehberg&sa=N&tab=wn]. . About 3 [[Factiva]] news database hits about this scandal (local newspapers/ AP newswire). The guy's career is probably ruined and he might face criminal charges, but his position and the scandal are too minor for sufficient encyclopedic notability in Wikipedia. This article was originally created by a single purpose account, [[User:Armednuclearterrorist]] (an inappropriate user name, but anyway), and I have some concern it was created as a [[schadenfreude]] article. No, I am not a secret [[Grand Old Party|GOP]] operative. [[User:Bwithh|Bwithh]] 20:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

: '''Delete''': I agree w/ Bwithh -- Todd Schriber is non-notable. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 21:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

* '''Delete''' An amusing incident with squirrel photos and everything, but let's face it, this is a more or less ordinary person (if we had a prof test for politicians, this person would fail) involved in an incident that was essentially a storm in a teacup. Not ''everything'' vaguely newsworthy needs an article. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|barks]]/[[Special:Contributions/Wwwwolf|growls]]) 01:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

==Islam continues to increase its influence==

'''Delete''' I say delete the article. I created it because it was hilarious to me. The full record of his deeds exist on www.attrition.org and google anyways. I think it's very fitting that this entry get deleted because it says not only did he ruin his life due to stupidity but that he's unimportant enough to not even spend 30k of disk memory on. Also, I didn't speak up when Jacqueline Passey was up for deletion and I *slept* with her so I can't defend this guy in any way shape or form. [[User:Armednuclearterrorist|Armednuclearterrorist]] 02:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Many Muslims began to go to China to trade during the [[Tang]] Dynasty. During the [[Song]] Dynasty, Muslims began to have a greater economic impact and influence on the country. During the [[Song Dynasty]] (960-1279), Muslims in China dominated foreign trade and the import/export industry to the south and west.<ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/china_1.shtml BBC Religion and Ethics ISLAM Origins]</ref>

==Migration of Muslims to China==

'''Wait''' This news just broke. Let's give it a week or two to see if it's a flash in the pan (which might well be the case) or becomes a larger story. To make a larger meta-point, the failure of integrity shown by this kind of conduct is instructive to future students and politicians. This is a classic example of academic dishonesty crossing over into the political world. [[User:clarka|clarka]] 28 December 2006

In 1070, the Song emperor, Shen-tsung (Shenzong) invited 5,300 Arab men from [[Bukhara]], to settle in China. The emperor used these men in his campaign against the Liao empire in the northeast. Later on these men were settled between the Sung capital of Kaifeng and Yenching (modern day [[Beijing]]). The object was to create a buffer zone between the Chinese and the Liao. In 1080, 10,000 Arab men and women migrated to China on horseback and settled in all of the provinces of the north and north-east.<ref>Israeli (2002), pg. 283-4</ref>

::''To make a larger meta-point, the failure of integrity shown by this kind of conduct is instructive to future students and politicians.'' but Wikipedia is not a [[WP:SOAPBOX}] [[User:Bwithh|Bwithh]] 15:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The Arabs from Bukhara were under the leadership of Prince Amir Sayyid "So-fei-er" (his Chinese name). The prince was later given an honorary title. He is reputed of being the "father" of the Muslim community in China. Prior to him Islam was named by the Tang and Song Chinese as ''Ta-shi fa'' ("law of Islam"). He renamed it to ''Hui Hui Jiao'' ("the Religion of Double return").<ref>Israeli (2002), pg. 284</ref>

'''Keep''' This is at least as noteable as [[Goodwin, South Dakota]], [[Lilla Edet Municipality]], [[Ogeechee Technical College]], [[Andy Frost]], and hundreds of other articles which are not deemed fit for deletion. [[User:DrHydeous|DrHydeous]] 20:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

**Well, that's the broadest application of the [[WP:POKEMON|Pokemon defence fallacy]] I've ever seen. Even leaving that aside, 3 of your 4 examples ''aren't people''. 2 of them are geographic locations at the level of town or higher - it is typically considered in afds that these are inherently encyclopedically notable. Though none of these 4 have ever actually been subject to an afd discussion, so they've never been deemed fit ''or unfit'' for deletion. As for the the single real life person article you use as an example, at least he's clearly a minor public/media figure by his own career choice (radio DJ). Plus Frost's article wasn't created out of schandenfreude. Shriber's was (as has been freely admitted by the creator), indicating [[WP:BLP]] issues. [[User:Bwithh|Bwithh]] 21:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

==Notes==

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==See also==

* [[Islam during the Tang Dynasty]]

* [[Islam by country]]

* [[Religion in China]]

* [[Demographics of China]]

* [[Chinese Patriotic Islamic Association]]

* [[Tibetan Muslims]]

* [[Islam in China]]

* [[Ma Yize]]

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