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I find the image size of the example article far too small to be functional. Can it somehow be enlarged? [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 08:13, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
:I agree completely. I came to this page to say exactly the same thing, but you beat me to it. Unfortunately, I see it's a year later, and nobody fixed the issue, or even bothered to respond to your request to–''at the very least''–say "it can't be done." Not only that, any newcomers trying to bring up this very same issue cannot do so, because this talk page is semi-protected. Not a great start for people new to Wikipedia to be shown a basically useless image when they click on it, and then can't suggest an improvement here. I'd make a replacement screenshot myself, but the resolution on this aging laptop I'm using is unlikely to produce a usable image. Maybe a Wikipedian with a nice monitor, especially one that can tilt in portrait mode, could take a representative screenshot of an article, and replace (overlay) the existing way-too-small image? If so, please include all the standardized sections in whatever article is used for the screenshot, including the less-frequently used "Further Reading" section; I find it hard to remember exactly where it's supposed to go, and the example image left it out, I think (squinting). ~ [[User:Itsfullofstars|Itsfullofstars]] ([[User talk:Itsfullofstars|talk]]) 16:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
::@[[User:Tony1|Tony1]] and @[[User:Itsfullofstars|Itsfullofstars]], the file on Commons was called [[:File:Wikipedia layout sample medium.png|File:Wikipedia layout sample medium.png]], and although it didn't have a link to any large version, typing in [[:File:Wikipedia layout sample large.png|File:Wikipedia layout sample large.png]] led to a large version (yay!), which also looks to have more modern formatting, so I've switched to that.
::Regarding the protection, there's a link at the top to an unprotected feedback form. It's not ideal, but the protection here is unfortunately necessary to prevent a flood of spammy test edits. If it wasn't protected, myself and probably others wouldn't be willing to keep watching it, and there'd be no one to respond to posts. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 17:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the quick response. I was adding an addendum when I ran into an edit conflict. I'm going to include what I added, even though it's after-the-fact now, just to apologize for my rather abrupt tone...
::::Update (sheepishly): I used a feedback link near the top of this page to leave a message elsewhere regarding the existing image, and added more requests to better explain the standardized sections, and to include a link to [[MOS:Layout]]. I simply didn't notice the feedback option near the top of the page; reading too fast, I guess. My issue about newcomers not being able to edit this page is moot, since there's another way for them to provide feedback. My apologies to those who have created and maintained the tutorials for my coming here with guns a-blazing. They thought this all through, and I was in too much of a hurry to notice. Other than than the Sections page, there's nothing else to criticize. Now, allow me to slowly back out of the room, hat in hand, bowing repeatedly as I go, mumbling low apologies. – [[User:Itsfullofstars|Itsfullofstars]] ([[User talk:Itsfullofstars|talk]]) 17:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::No need to apologize! I'm glad you came here and made the suggestion—the tutorial is better now for it! I've added a link to MOS:LAYOUT as well, which is definitely an improvement. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>{{u|</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}}</small></span> <sup>[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]</sup> 20:31, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
== Vector 2022 ==
Now that Vector 2022 is the default, the contents is at the side; part 2 no longer makes sense. סשס [[User:Grimmchild|<span style="color:#600060;">Grimmchild.</span>]][[User talk: Grimmchild| <span style="color:#600060;">He/him, probably</span>]] 10:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
== Standard Sections ==
A brief introduction to the main standard sections relevant to many articles would be helpful.
I am particularly interested in introducing a standard ‘Lay Summary’ section. I believe this could be valuable to help non specialists get a handle on the subject. Also very helpful for inspiring briefer articles for non specialists.
Wikipedia has often been accused of bias. The bias I believe needs most attention is it is easy for specialist articles to ignore wider audiences, especially those less educated on particular subjects.
I suggest Simple English Wikipedias could be a significant beneficiary of such standardised sections and encourage those articles to cross reference to the specialist articles that they used.
A lay summary, perhaps with a note on who a lay person is assumed to be could help.
I have been inspired by medical articles in major magazines having lay summaries.
I don’t know a good way to raise this issue without getting very involved in Wikipedia and all the time and energy that involves, along with how that impacts my personal life. [[User:CuriousMarkE|CuriousMarkE]] ([[User talk:CuriousMarkE|talk]]) 05:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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