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If I'm not mistaken, Leah broke her back being thrown from a horse, not a car accident.

=== May 19, 2006 ===

Can anyone comfirm?

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She definatley broke it in car accident.

The result of the debate was '''Obviously the work of an evil/rouge/cabalist admin set out to destroy all userboxes!!~!! (keep-withdrawn).''' <small>[[User:RN|Yet another lame sig I came up with]] ^{<font color="#6BA800">[[User talk:RN|T]]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">[[Special:Emailuser/RN|@]]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/RN|C]]</font>}</small> 01:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Goes to show how memory plays tricks on you.

==== [[Template:User notconfused]] ====

{{lt|User notconfused}}<br />

<s>Reason for deleting is clearly divisive. (The text is "this user is not confused" with "not confused" linking to the bisexuality page)</s>Withdrawn. <small>[[User:RN|Yet another lame sig I came up with]] ^{<font color="#6BA800">[[User talk:RN|T]]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">[[Special:Emailuser/RN|@]]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/RN|C]]</font>}</small> 23:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Actor Noah Hathaway who played Boxey in the original Battlestar Galactica series broke his back when he was thrown from a horse and stepped on (during the filming of NeverEnding Story in which he played Atreyu). Maybe you mixed these two up?

*'''Comment'''. Do you understand that the meaning (or at least the implication) of this template is "being bisexual is not just being 'confused'"? It is not a criticism of bisexuality; it is exactly the opposite, a defense. Just asking to make sure there isn't a misunderstanding here, and to get a clarification on what's "divisive" about this. -[[User:Silence|Silence]] 00:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

**That's right, it is divisive IMHO because it implies that those who are not are somehow "confused." It isn't for my own POV though, so perhaps if you disagree I may be barking up the wrong tree, per se, in which case I apologize. <small>[[User:RN|Yet another lame sig I came up with]] ^{<font color="#6BA800">[[User talk:RN|T]]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">[[Special:Emailuser/RN|@]]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/RN|C]]</font>}</small> 00:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

***RN, you clearly don't understand the meaning and context of this template. This template is a response to the common bigoted view that bisexuals are just "confused", and are not genuinely sexually oriented towards both males and females. It's an allusion to and refutation of a stereotype about bisexuals, not an attack on non-bisexuals as though they were "confused". Do you understand now? It is not an attack on bisexuals, nor an attack on non-bisexuals. -[[User:Silence|Silence]] 01:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Obvious Keep''' What's divisive? The nomination, and the nominator. Not the box. --[[User:71.36.251.182|71.36.251.182]] 00:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

**I can see that point of view, I guess. <small>[[User:RN|Yet another lame sig I came up with]] ^{<font color="#6BA800">[[User talk:RN|T]]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">[[Special:Emailuser/RN|@]]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/RN|C]]</font>}</small> 00:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

**Please avoid abusive ''ad hominem''s, 71.36.251.182. Users can disagree without being uncivil. -[[User:Silence|Silence]] 01:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' Oppose, prima facie, deletion of userboxes one by one while consensus is lacking on the larger issue. These kind of userboxes do no harm and, by and large, are opposed with the intent to artificially limit the behavior of Wikipedians. That they are in template space is an issue of system architecture; they are not used in article space. The controversy needs to be put to bed once & for all, not endlessly played out here.--[[User:Ssbohio|Ssbohio]] 01:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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==== [[Template:User jessicaalba]] ====

{{lt|User jessicaalba}}<br />

What makes Jessica Alba so special? If we're going to have this userbox, we might as well have userboxes for EVERY SINGLE CELEBRITY IN EXISTENCE. --[[User:Atlantima|Atlantima]] 21:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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*'''Keep''', meets [[Wikipedia:Userbox policy]]. [[User:JohnnyBGood|<font color="Green">'''JohnnyBGood'''</font>]] [[Image:Flag of Mexico.svg|15px]] [[User talk:JohnnyBGood|<font color="Red">'''t'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/JohnnyBGood|<font color="Red">'''c'''</font>]] 21:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

::We probably shouldn't be referencing proposals. [[User:Ardric47|Ardric47]] 01:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''', doesn't help in writing the encyclopedia. It also contained a fair use image that I just removed. Also note that <strike>not<strike> a single user page links to this thing. --[[User:Cyde|<span style="color:#ff66ff;cursor:w-resize;">'''Cyde↔Weys'''</span>]] 21:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' and '''subst''' per [[WP:CSD|CSD T2]]. Not broadly useful enough to justify a template; just use the raw code. By the way, [[User:Whatsisname]]&mdash;do you have a friend named [[User:Batzarro]]? :) -[[User:Silence|Silence]] 22:11, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

**I thought the jury was still out on T2, based on the note on the CSD page & the debate in its talk.--[[User:Ssbohio|Ssbohio]] 22:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' Oppose, prima facie, deletion of userboxes one by one while consensus is lacking on the larger issue. These kind of userboxes do no harm and, by and large, are opposed with the intent to artificially limit the behavior of Wikipedians. That they are in template space is an issue of system architecture; they are not used in article space. The controversy needs to be put to bed once & for all, not endlessly played out here.--[[User:Ssbohio|Ssbohio]] 01:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

**The controversy sure as hell isn't going to be put to bed if you won't even concede that worthless templates that no one is using can be deleted. This is an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]], not a free webhost for thousands of orphaned nonsense templates. --[[User:Cyde|<span style="color:#ff66ff;cursor:w-resize;">'''Cyde↔Weys'''</span>]] 11:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

***In previous TfDs, I got the impression that you didn't favor deleting assorted useless cruft as long as it only existed in userspace, but that the problem is that these are userboxes. If we're going to delete things from userpages because we see them as ''worthless'' or ''orphaned nonsense'', then we have a lot of work ahead of us. But, if the fact that this is a userbox template is the central issue, then my reasoning fully applies.--[[User:Ssbohio|Ssbohio]] 22:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Suggestion''', can't we just replace it with a userbox saying "This user thinks that NNN is hot." where NNN is a selectable parameter? // [[User:Liftarn|Liftarn]]

*'''Delete''' - If you want to tell everybody this kind of things, create a blog or use Hi5 or myspace or something like that. This is an encyclopedia. [[User:Afonso Silva|Afonso Silva]] 11:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''', a typical example of a user box that makes not much sense without a copyright-violating image. [[User:Kusma|Kusma]] [[User_talk:Kusma|(討論)]] 18:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Subst and delete'''. Template like a lighthouse in the middle of a swamp: brilliant but useless. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 00:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per nom. This is an encyclopedia, not MySpace! --[[User:Icarus3|Icarus]] 09:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' - plainly unhelpful to the encyclopaedia. [[User:Johnleemk|Johnleemk]] | [[User talk:Johnleemk|Talk]] 10:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' - This thing is downright stupid. [[User:Treima|Treima]] 22:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' per every other delete reason. — <font colour="navy"><b>[[User:nathanrdotcom|Natha]][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ILovePlankton/My_loyalties_to_my_friends&oldid=52185260 <font color="#336666">n</font>] ^{(Got something to say? [[User talk:nathanrdotcom|Say it]].)}</b></font> 02:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' --[[User:Doc glasgow|Doc]] [[User talk:Doc glasgow|<small>^ask?</small>]] 18:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Userfy and delete'''. <b>[[User:Tijuana Brass|<span style="color: #FF4500; font-family: Times New Roman; font-variant: small-caps;">Tijuana Brass</span>]]^{[[User talk:Tijuana Brass|<span style="color: #228B22;">¡Épa!</span>]]-[[User:Tijuana Brass/EA|<span style="color: #228B22;">E@</span>]]}</b> 01:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' and feel free to glorify the celebrity of your own choosing. --[[User:70.218.30.181|70.218.30.181]] 04:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete'''. Not very useful, and such templates are a bit offensive to the subject. I know I wouldn't like a template like that with ''my'' name. [[User:Sjakkalle|Sjakkalle]] [[User talk:Sjakkalle|<small>(Check!)</small>]] 05:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was '''speedily deleted''' as G2 (test page testing self-transclusion of template). [[User:Kusma|Kusma]] [[User_talk:Kusma|(討論)]] 18:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

==== [[Template:Xx]] ====

{{lt|xx}}<br />

Appears to be used only in test pages, no useful code. [[User:Polonium|Polonium]] 20:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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==== [[Template:Infobox_City_mapsize]] ====

{{lt|Infobox_City_mapsize}}<br />

Fuctionality has been integrated into Infobox_City and all articles have been converted. No longer in use. [[User:Harpchad|harpchad]] 19:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' - This was created in January by Kmf164 as an alternative template to resize maps and redirected three days later. Apparently wasn't all that useful. <b>[[User:Tijuana Brass|<span style="color: #FF4500; font-family: Times New Roman; font-variant: small-caps;">Tijuana Brass</span>]]^{[[User talk:Tijuana Brass|<span style="color: #228B22;">¡Épa!</span>]]-[[User:Tijuana Brass/EA|<span style="color: #228B22;">E@</span>]]}</b> 01:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was: either a nomination of the wrong template, or an attempt at [[WP:POINT]]. Either way, '''speedy keep'''. [[User:Titoxd|Tito]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]^{([[User_talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters/Flcelloguy's Tool|help us]])} 21:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

==== [[Template:User|Template User _]]====

Seems to be the root of all evil, I feel that if everything repressented by this template were removed indefintly from wikipedia, the userbox wars could be over today--[[User:Ipod person|Ipod person]] 18:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strong keep'''. Is it helpful or noteworthy? Yes, as evident by its extensive use in discussing users with the aim of providing easy information. Is it redundant to another better-designed template? Not that I can see. Is it used? Yes, as evident by its what links here. Does it not express NPOV? No. Does it belong on TfD? No. [[User:PoptartKing|PoptartKing]] 19:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

* '''Comment.''' I think Ipod person was making a somewhat tongue-in-cheek comment. Think about it: "everything represented by this template," and the template represents Wikipedia editors. Therefore, "If everything repressented by this template were removed indefintly from wikipedia, the userbox wars could be over today" translates to "If Wikipedia editors were removed indefintly from wikipedia, the userbox wars could be over today," which, in fact, is true ... no users means no Wikipedia at all. That being said, if that is what Ipod person meant, I recommend he withdraw his recommendation. Cutesy, but not the place. &mdash; [[User:WCityMike|WCityMik]]<font color="green">[[User:WCityMike/Esperanza|e]]</font> ([[User_talk:WCityMike|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/WCityMike|contribs]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[User:WCityMike#Reply_Policy|where to reply]]) 20:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' Oppose, prima facie, deletion of userboxes one by one while consensus is lacking on the larger issue. These kind of userboxes do no harm and, by and large, are opposed with the intent to artificially limit the behavior of Wikipedians. That they are in template space is an issue of system architecture; they are not used in article space. The controversy needs to be put to bed once & for all, not endlessly played out here.--[[User:Ssbohio|Ssbohio]] 01:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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==== [[Template:Popular essay]] ====

See also the associated category [[:Category:Wikipedia featured essays]]. This concept is not part of our official "featured" series and there is no associated peer review for what goes into it (an essential part of featuring anything). Second, the template gives the impression that the opinions presented in some essays are more valuable than others. [[User:Sjakkalle|Sjakkalle]] [[User talk:Sjakkalle|<small>(Check!)</small>]] 07:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' gives the wrong impression.... <small>[[User:RN|Yet another lame sig I came up with]] ^{<font color="#6BA800">[[User talk:RN|T]]</font> | <font color="#0033FF">[[Special:Emailuser/RN|@]]</font> | <font color="#FF0000">[[Special:Contributions/RN|C]]</font>}</small> 07:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strong Keep'''. I'm not sure it was a good idea to take this to TfD before the CfD is completed. They are intertwined so everyone will just end up arguing the same points twice. Perhaps you should withdraw this nomination untill the CfD is settled one way or the other? As I said at the cfd, if "featured" has the connotation of per review about it, I can rename the template to popular essays. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and do just that.

*:Moreover, the template is explicitly meant to be descriptive rather than prescriptive. It does not say that a certain essay should be heeded or that it is a guideline (it is mentioned that the essay is NOT a guideline and is informal), only that it is popular and is often cited in discussions. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a way of pointing out some essays a Wikipedian should be familiar with, whether they agree with it or not simply because they are going to see a lot of it at discussions. I hope this is sufficient to resolve everyone's objections. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 08:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

**'''Comment'''. The renaming is now done. Please see [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Wikipedia_featured_essays]]. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 09:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''delete''' under the new name as well. No need to make the distinction. Far too subjective.[[User:Geni|Geni]] 09:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' I think that the idea of having more popular essays easily identified is a good one, as it is difficult for new wikipedians to identify which essays reflect widespread opinion and which reflect a minority opinion. However, I think there should be a ___location (the category talk page seems like a good one) where one can propose additions and without objection add them, or with objection reach concensus on whether to add or not. I guess I am for '''Keeping''' the template and category with with a discussion of the proper name/process (popular is better than featured, but still not completely satisfying - though I can't think of a better name).<font color="#06C">[[User_talk:Trödel|Trödel]]</font> 13:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' [[User:Tezeti|тəzєті]] 13:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

* '''Delete''', opinions should not be arbitrarily tagged as more popular without some approval process, and regardless of intent the template gives the impression that the tagged essays are more valuable or legitimate than other essays. --[[User:Muchness|Muchness]] 09:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

* '''Weak Delete''' Who's to say whether an essay is popular? And the use of the word ''featured'' in the template doesn't rub off on me well. The featured article process is quite extensive. On the other hand, the featured essay process is virtually non-existant. Perhaps if there were a better (but not ''too'' formal) process that determines whether an essay is featured (or rather, ''popular''), I'd support. [[User:Joturner|joturn]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User:Joturner|r]] 05:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Question to Deleters'''. If there should be an approval process, then could you give me some time to devolop a light system to determine which essays can be called popular? This would not be a process to determine which essays are 'good' or 'right', but which essays are popular, as suggested by the new name of the template. This will prevent redundancy with the Guideline process and stop long debates about the subjective issue of whether an essay is beneficial. I'll need some time to this so if you agree with my suggestion then I request that you don't delete right away. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 07:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strong delete''' - featured content represents the best of Wikipedia - that is, for presenting information as an encyclopedia. Featured content is encyclopedic content, regardless of whether it is an article, picture, list, or portal. They all serve to inform and benefit the readers. ''Essays'', especially those dealing with policy and guidelines, do not do that. The idea that they can be tagged as "featured", quite frankly, is premature and ridiculous. Thanks! [[User:Flcelloguy|Flcelloguy]] <small>([[User talk:Flcelloguy|A <font color="brown">note?</font>]])</small> 14:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

**'''Comment'''. Please take your time to read some of the discussion before sticking on that delete vote. It's Popular essays now, not featured. [[User:Loom91|Loom91]] 06:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Keep''', nothing wrong with it. Rename to "good" if featured doesn't work. [[User:Stifle|Stifle]] ([[User talk:Stifle|talk]]) 19:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strong delete''' per Flcelloguy, without regard to ''featured'', ''popular'', or ''good''. This template implies that its bearers have been judged better than other essays by the community, but there is no process in place to make this determination. While I do not support developing such a process (essays are supposed to be informal), without it, this label is inappropriate, misleading, and likely to cause edit wars over its inclusion. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 07:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

==== [[Template:GreenLantern]] ====

{{lt|GreenLantern}}<br />

This template is highly inaccurate and useless insomuch as there are various characters known as "Green Lantern", and hence each individual character has his/her own page and corresponding template (in most cases). As each Lantern has his/her own character specific allies/adversaries/notable stories, this template does not accomplish the purpose it seems to have been designed for initially. [[User:Netkinetic|NetK]] 00:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Comment'''—Something is wrong with the format of this; it's even listed twice (see [[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 20#Template:GreenLantern]]). Perhaps one of the "orphanbots" (?) can fix this? [[User:Ardric47|Ardric47]] 20:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

==== [[Template:Student Fraternity]] ====

{{lt|Student Fraternity}}<br />

Obsolete template, also wikiprojects can't add templates like these to the articles, just the talk pages and there already is a template for that. I tried to speedydelete this but I guess that was the wrong proceedure. [[User:Dspserpico|Dspserpico]] 08:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' - Per nom. [[User:Afonso Silva|Afonso Silva]] 11:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

*'''Strong Deletion''' - The userbox looks ugly and inaccurate. And, I would agree with the nominator as well. [[User:Weirdy|Weirdy]] 07:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC).

*'''Delete''' per nom. <b>[[User:Tijuana Brass|<span style="color: #FF4500; font-family: Times New Roman; font-variant: small-caps;">Tijuana Brass</span>]]^{[[User talk:Tijuana Brass|<span style="color: #228B22;">¡Épa!</span>]]-[[User:Tijuana Brass/EA|<span style="color: #228B22;">E@</span>]]}</b> 01:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)