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==New Zealand COA==
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Image:Coat of arms of New Zealand.png|Raster
Image:UK Royal Coat of Arms.svg|Elements possibly from here,
Image:Flag of New Zealand.svg|and definitely here
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'''Article(s):''' Several
'''Request:''' Vectorise please. Thanks -- '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
'''Graphist opinion:'''
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::That's fine and all, but the current image is not a raster of the VI version; it looks like it's been replaced last month, without updating the license. So where'd the current one come from? [[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 22:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Dunno, but if we get the Vector done then it won't matter... '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
:::Ask user [[User:Avala]] on Commons and revert the image before it's deleted (Unsurprizingly, someone marked the new version as NSD!)!. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 21:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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The present New Zealand arms are a 1956 revision of the 1911 design. The crest was changed to the Crown of St. Edward, the quarterings were redrawn, and the supporters, instead of facing the front, now faced each other. The motto was changed to “New Zealand”.|http://www.teara.govt.nz/1966/C/CoatsOfArms/National/en}}
:Any takers? '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
Done. [[User:Sodacan|Sodacan]] ([[User talk:Sodacan|talk]]) 04:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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==Personal Standard of Prince Albert II of Monaco==
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Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|[[:Image:Albertii.gif]] Original image from Monaco web site
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'''Article(s): '''[[Albert II, Prince of Monaco]] ; [[Flag of Monaco]] ; [[Gallery of flags with headgear]]
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'''Graphist opinion:''':
How about an SVG? I can give it a go when I'm on the right computer later... '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
:: I hate to be the one to bring it up, but the image is fair use so it shouldn't really be here... On the other hand I don't see that SVGifying it would do any harm. [[User:Time3000|Time3000]] ([[User talk:Time3000|talk]]) 14:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::: What is the track record of fair use raster to svgs surviving? I would think it's clearly a violation of the terms of (fair) use, since you can scale it to any resolution you like. We had this discussion about the Interpol logo, and it didn't fly. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 14:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
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:::::As far as I'm aware you can have SVG free use. Such images do exist on the wiki...'''[[User:Mangwanani|<
::::::I'm guessing the second file should not be on commons. There is no free way (i.e. non derivative) of doing the monogram. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 17:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::If you are right, that it is forbidden to do a .SVG from a fair use .gif, the template above <nowiki>{{SVG|fairuse}}</nowiki> should be deleted, since it serves no purpose. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 18:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::All I'm saying is that an svg (or png) designed from a fair use image remains copyrighted by the copyright holder of the fair use image. Whether the new image qualifies for fair use or not I don't know. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::So it is allowed to do a .png out of it, upload it on English language wikipedia claiming fair use - since it is non scalable contrary to .svg - , not uploading it to Commons ? Can I ask for that here ? and what about a .svg ? [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Just had a thought, could this be recreated in SVG freely in the similar style a flag or COA can be? What I'm thinking is of calling this a flag as surely, its used in that style, similar to the [[:Image:Royal Standard of the United Kingdom.svg|Queen's standard]] '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
:::::::::::The differences between CoAs and this image is that CoAs are defined by a [[blazon]]. That means that a free version can be created from the blazon (not from an existing interpretation of it which is why [[:Image:Coat of Arms of Iceland.svg]] is in trouble). Simply recreating an image in svg does not delink the svg image from the copyright of the original, this is why images such as Coat of Arms of Johannesburg above are in trouble. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 12:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::: As I understand it the template <nowiki>{{SVG|fairuse}}</nowiki> is indeed a completely pointless contradiction. "...information that could be stored more efficiently and/or accurately in the SVG format". While arguably technically true, functionally nonsense. The fair use rationale stipulates that the image must be low-res. So even if you make a vector version you still have to ''render'' it in low res. The "efficiency" difference between a 30kB PNG and a 20kB SVG is negligible, and the rendering resources needed for SVG do away with that benefit. Accuracy is irrelevant, because you still have to ''deliver it to the viewer'' at low accuracy (ie. low res). Someone could download it themselves and view it in high res, but then ''they'd'' be in violation of fair use. No matter which way you slice or dice it that template is an invitation to waste your time. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 18:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::: That being said, I'd be most thankful if someone cares to produce a nice fair use .PNG of the standard of Prince Albert II. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 18:27, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Find a blazon and create the image springs to mind, bearing in mind the cliché "easier said than done". The Joburg raster was uploaded by Flagmanbruce who says he is the FOTW Southern Africa administrator (for want of a better word). '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
:But thats just the thing. Coat of arms (and coat of arms like flags) have a blasoning, logos and monograms normaly don't, thus making free versions of the impossible. The Joburg raster is the same as that [http://flagspot.net/flags/za-gt-jb.html#jb here] and is thus not an "original interpretation of the blason" but rather a copyrighted interpretation from 1997. The fact that Flagmanbruce has scanned it gives him no copyrightrelated rights. Thus since the new vector version are a derivative of these they are also copyrighted by whoever created the raster. In order to create a truly free image the new one would have to based only on heraldic rules and the text:
{{quotation|ARMS: Vert, a fret couped Or, the mascle voided Gules, between in chief and base respectively four shield thongs Argent; behind the shield a spine erect Or, plumed Sable.
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::Shoot, that needs translation into English. I couldn't draw anything from ''that'' description, that's for sure. [[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 22:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Back to the Joburg Arms, it isn't entirely based on the raster. My trace obviously was but the rest of the work done by other users was an interpretation of the raster... '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
:I know it isn't entirely based on the raster (let's call it the "official interpretation") but both the trace and iterpretations of the "official interpretation" are processes which create works that are derivatives of the "official interpretation", and those covered by it's copyright. As an example if you watch all of the Star Wars movies and then draw a free hand sketch of the Millenium Falcon then that is stil a derivative of the copyrighted movies.
:What's needed in order to make the image free is basically that you completely forget about the "official interpretation" and do a new image based on the blazon only. As for the blazonings being written in code I wholehartedly agree, it's hard enough to understand them when they are written entierly in one language (swedish for the ones I've done) but the english ones always seem to contain about 50% french in them. There is a heraldic glossary somewhere on Wikipedia (lost the link) but to start I'd recommend asking one of the heraldicaly experienced editors to translate the description to plain english (e.g. [[:commons:User:SanchoPanzaXXI|SanchoPanzaXXI]]), after a while you'll start understanding the ''code''.
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Here are the two parts that make up the flag. --[[User:SelfQ|SelfQ]] ([[User talk:SelfQ|talk]]) 19:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Image:Civil Ensign of the United Kingdom.svg|Red Ensign
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|[[:Image:Greatsealofnewfoundland.jpg]]<br>Seal
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==Roanoke Star in white==
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Image:Roanoke Star in white.jpg|The [[Mill Mountain Star]] lit in white following the [[Virginia Tech massacre]].
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'''Article(s):''' [[Mill Mountain Star]]
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Image:Jonathan Lambert flag.png|1
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|[[:Image:Flag of the Other World Kingdom.jpg]]<br>2
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|[[:Image:Coat of Arms of Other World Kingdom.jpg]]<br>3
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'''Article(s):Multiple micronation related articles.'''
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::Now three out of the four triangles have been corrected, but the top one is still transparent. [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 07:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Please note that image 2 is Fair Use so any derivative will be similarly copyrighted. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 11:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::In all fairness, an interpretation on a blazoning isn't going to be too different to that image as its pretty plain and simple. Not like a COA with intricate detials... '''[[User:Mangwanani|<
:::::True, but this can only be done if the flag (and the Coat of arms) is in fact based on a blason rather then just being a logos in the shapes of Flags and CoAs. Considering the nation in question it would surprise me if they were based on blasons. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for this late reply, but could you remove the clear edge around the flag, it makes boxing the flag look strange. --[[User:SelfQ|SelfQ]] ([[User talk:SelfQ|talk]]) 13:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
==Somerset Towers==
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File:Compton martin church.jpg|Compton Martin Church
Image:Winfordchurch.jpg|Winford Church
File:St andrews chew magna.JPG|Chew Magna Church
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'''Article(s):'''[[Somerset Towers]] & [[A Tour of Somerset Towers]]
'''Request:''' The article [[A Tour of Somerset Towers]] has been split from [[Somerset Towers]] as the page was too long. It contains approx 50 images of different church towers illustrating the architecture of the towers. The current challenge is to select the "best" to go onto the [[Somerset Towers]] article. I'm not photography expert (as will be seen from some of my pics on there) & help with choosing the best (and deleting the worst) would be helpful. In addition many of the photos are dark or have slight angles - any help with improving them would be great.— [[User:Rodw|Rod]] <sup>[[User talk:Rodw|talk]]</sup> 13:15, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
Have started improving several of the images by correcting perspective, channels, lighting and colour-correction etc will continue editing others.[[User:Tango22|Tango22]] ([[User talk:Tango22|talk]]) 23:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
==Hilversum inaccuracies==
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Image:Hilversum wapen.png|inaccurate version (PNG)
Image:Hilversum wapen.svg|inaccurate version (SVG)
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'''Article(s):[[Hilversum]].'''
'''Request:'''This COA is horribly inaccurate, see here ([http://www.hilversum.nl/live/imghsum/logo.jpg]) how it sould look and is used on everything from documents to vehicles.
If someone could make a accurate version that would be greatly appreaciated. Note: the tekst "Hilversum" and the Blue surounding it sould not be included, that is just a part of the website, see [http://www.hilversum.nl/live/index.jsp]. Another note: I am going to iceland tomorrow and wont be back for a week, so I wont be replying this week. --[[User:SelfQ|SelfQ]] ([[User talk:SelfQ|talk]]) 11:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
:If this is a coat, aren't there an infinite number of ways of showing it? [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 14:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
::No, it is only used as is shown on the offical website.--[[User:SelfQ|SelfQ]] ([[User talk:SelfQ|talk]]) 15:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
:::As long as it follows the blasoning it's correct. The version on the webpage is only one of many interpretations of the blasoning. if someone reads duch ther might be more info on [http://www.ngw.nl/h/hilversu.htm]. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 17:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
::::[http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.ngw.nl/h/hilversu.htm&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.ngw.nl/h/hilversu.htm%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_ENUS249 Here]'s Google's transation. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">¡Talk to me!</span>]] 13:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
=Resolved=
==Burmese language requests==
{{Resolved|1=[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 15:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}.
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'''Article(s):''' all sorts of [[Burmese language]] requests
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'''Graphist opinion:''' There was already an SVG version in use, but it looked traced. Rather than overwrite it, I uploaded a new one converted from a unicode font with burmese characters in it — <b class="IPA">[[User talk:Ch1902|<span style="color:#800080">₪₪</span>]] [[User:Ch1902|<span style="color:#800080">ch1902</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ch1902|<span style="color:#800080">₪₪</span>]]</b> 10:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:I also created one based on the jpg with Inkscape--[[User:Cradel| <
::I'd go with yours, that font did not scale up at all well! — <b class="IPA">[[User talk:Ch1902|<span style="color:#800080">₪₪</span>]] [[User:Ch1902|<span style="color:#800080">ch1902</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ch1902|<span style="color:#800080">₪₪</span>]]</b> 11:49, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:'''Please overwrite what I have labeled #1''' with the much better #2, thanks! [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 13:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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==Gagauzia and Tibet==
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Image:Coat of arms of Gagauzia.svg|SVG
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'''Article(s):''' [[w:tr:Gagavuzya]] (exemplary:http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resim:Gagavuzya_arms%C4%B1.png ), [[w:tr:Tibet]]
'''Request:''' Hello.I am Turkish Wikipedian.Turkish Wikipedia and other Wikipedias need colored and svg format [[:Image:
::Isn't this the same request as [[Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve#Coat of arms of Gagauzia|above]]? [[User:Mangwanani|Mangwanani]] ([[User talk:Mangwanani|talk]]) 18:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Looks like it, except for the Tibet CoA part. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 19:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes Mangwanani.I have exemple.This [http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resim:Gagavuzya_arms%C4%B1.png] is colored Gagauzia arms. Color [[Image:
::::Before anyone can work on that svg, they need to know what the text in that COA is. The second word looks like YERS or YERI. It is ambiguous and it would help if the exact word and spelling was known. [[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] ([[User talk:XcepticZP|talk]]) 23:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::It's ''Gagauz Yeri''—see [[Gagauzia|the article]]. I'll gladly take this one now we have a color version to work from. Lord Leatherface, please remove the Turkish arms from your signature—images in signatures are [[Wikipedia:SIG#Images|not allowed in the English Wikipedia]] :) [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small> ([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 00:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Would someone like me to colour and PNG the raster or is that a waste of resources if we're going straight to vector? [[User:Mangwanani|Mangwanani]] ([[User talk:Mangwanani|talk]]) 16:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't speak English.I speak Turkish.Colored Gagauzia arms Please.[[Kullanıcı:Lord Leatherface|<
I found this image on the commons and it looks a bit different than the link Lord Leatherface gave :
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It is also the one used on the [http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/gag gaugazian wikipedia] (its a test wiki)--[[User:Cradel| <
:Excellent, thank you. The shield is done—now for the rest :) [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small> ([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 22:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
::OK, done. How's this? [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small> ([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 14:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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:No response. Do you think we should just mark this one as "Resolved"? The request has been completed, so letting it go stale seems like a misfile... [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 15:28, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
== South Caroline/
{{Resolved}}
Image:SC-SovFlag.jpg
Image:Flag of South Carolina.svg|Tree is already here.
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'''Articels:''' [[Flag of South Carolina]], [[Flags of the Confederate States]], etc.
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:Perfect. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 23:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
==Ares I-X patch==
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Image:AresIX patch02.jpg|Patch of Ares I-X
Image:AresIX patch02.svg|Patch of Ares I-X in vector
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'''Article(s):''' [[Ares I-X]]
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==Request for SVG and modified icon for Flagged Revisions ==
Image:FlaggedRevs-1.png|not sighted
Image:FlaggedRevs-2.png|checked for absence of obvious vandalism
Image:FlaggedRevs-3.png|Proofed version
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Image:FlaggedRevs-1.svg|Unreviewed
Image:FlaggedRevs-2.svg|No Vandalism
Image:FlaggedRevs-3.svg|Approved
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'''Article(s):'''
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'''Graphist opinion:'''
[[Image:FlaggedRevs-1.svg|18px
[[Image:FlaggedRevs-2.svg|18px
[[Image:FlaggedRevs-3.svg|18px
[[Image:FlaggedRevs-1.svg|32px
[[Image:FlaggedRevs-2.svg|32px
[[Image:FlaggedRevs-3.svg|32px
How about these? Reasons for selecting these icons:
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* Many, many thanks for the good work! I like all three images. The V does work in German ("Vandalismus"), but it may not in other languages. However, it may be acceptable in many language to learn that it means no vandalism. One point: A crossed-out "V" would intuitively make more sense / be easier to remember (i.e. ''no' vandalism). However, I imagine this is graphically undesirable (to many lines at small angles?). --[[User:Vigilius|Vigilius]] ([[User talk:Vigilius|talk]]) 10:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
* The "Approved" icon is good and even to recognise when very small: [[Image:FlaggedRevs-3.svg|13px
:* No problem, will do tomorrow morning.
* The "V" first depends on culture and second two kinds of green are too complex. Every assumption that contains with "people will quickly learn" is an assumption too much. An eye on orange is better, the idea "... is watching you" is wanted, that's the point.
:* surely you are trying to say 'checked', 'passed', 'not vandalism', not trying to intimidate contributors that are ''not'' vandals. It should be a neutral or even friendly icon. Can we come up with another alternative? Blue?
* The question mark is good but could be more recognisable when very small. Compare [[Image:FlaggedRevs-1.svg|18px
:* Good point, I'll work on it further. The blue ? is a good template. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 22:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks and greetings, -- [[User:JakobVoss|JakobVoss]] ([[User talk:JakobVoss|talk]]) 12:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
: New versions available for review. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 20:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the revisions Dhatfield! With the bolder font the question mark indeed has become much more readable at small sizes. And as said in the introduction, I personally disliked the eye a bit myself; I would vote for the V for the time being, with the option that someone comes up with a n even brighter idea. Some comments on German WP suggest to me that the eye is being interpreted as an indication of much more scrutiny than is actually happening. -- I have tow minor technical points: perhaps the gradient of the outer ring in ? and V could be a bit less contrasty. In small size at 1 o'clock it looks like a spot on my monitor on the ? (much less so on the V). Secondly, the OK sign ([[Image:FlaggedRevs-3.svg|13px
* Is it non circular or is it that the two circles have not the same center ? [[User:Hektor|Hektor]] ([[User talk:Hektor|talk]]) 07:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
:*I think I fixed all the issues raised. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 15:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
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Image:Casimir_plates.svg|Vectorized
Image:Casimir_plates_bubbles.svg|An attempt at the right side.
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'''Article(s): [[Casimir effect]]'''
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== [[Light cone]] ==
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Image:World line2.svg | Yay, it displays!
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'''Articles: [[Time]], [[Future]], [[World line]], [[Light cone]], [[Past]], [[Present]], [[Causal contact]], [[Milne model]]'''
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::::::::: I think that's a huge improvement. It definitely implies the correct scale. Let's see what the physicists say. I'll replace some of the existing images with the new one and ask for comments. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 11:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Been in numerous articles with no negative comments. Resolved - thanks MissMJ. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 22:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:No offense guys, I think the original one was better. The gradients look amateurish on the new one (they aren't correct for the forms), the stars don't mean anything, and the original one had a nice simplicity to it. The original one looks like it could be in a science textbook. The new one looks like it is something someone made for Wikipedia. Just my two cents. When I am looking for a light cone image to use, I'm going to use the first one, not the second one. Specifying "years" for time is totally inaccurate. In fact the whole thing has gotten more inaccurate. The light cone is not just meant for interstellar distances—it's a fundamental concept to all of special relativity, and applies even on small scales. Ugly and inaccurate -- bad combination! --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 15:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::I second all of this. The two things that were added—the "(years)" label and the stars in the hyperplane—are wrong, however well intentioned, and need to be removed. The new image doesn't look perspective-correct to me. The gradient should be more subtle so that it gives a 3D effect without being distracting. The sides of the cone should ideally be inclined at 45° to the axes, not at some random angle. With all of those changes I could accept the new image, but the result of making all of those changes would pretty much be the original image. Not that the old image is perfect, but it's a better starting point for tweaking than the new one. For the time being I'm going to switch back to the old image. -- [[User:BenRG|BenRG]] ([[User talk:BenRG|talk]]) 16:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
== Image:APISmap1.pdf ==
{{Resolved|1=[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 14:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)}}.
Image:APISmap1.pdf|118 kilobyte PDF map of part of Wisconsin.
Image:APISmap1.svg|SVGfied. Takes about 5 seconds.
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'''Articles, categories:'''
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'''Request:'''
This has been sitting around with a request for svg conversion. Vector graphics aren't my thing or I'd do this myself: original artwork from multiple sources, obvious encyclopedic value, and engages the viewer's interest in the subject. A bit small for FP candidacy in its current incarnation, but that could be addressed during the conversion. Any nibbles?
'''Graphist opinion:'''
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I might be biting off more than I can chew, but I'll give it a try. Would you please clarify "a bit small"? [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 08:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:I tried for a direct copy. Please shout if you want the teeth to be perfect (lots of work for marginal overall improvement) or you want any other changes eg. size, scale lines or anything else. Cheers. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 13:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
:Yummy. Would you like to conominate? :)
::Hmmm, not sure it'll make it, but you never know with that crowd 0_o Why not? Would you leave a note when it's up - I try to avoid the FPC page due to Wikistress? Thanks. [[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 22:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:::As a veteran of FPC I can say that it will have a much better chance if you take the time to smooth out the rough edges--literally. There doesn't seem to be a curve in the entire image! Make things less blocky and you'll increase you chances dramatically.--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] <sup>([[User talk:HereToHelp|''talk to me'']])</sup> 22:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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==Star Stub==
{{Resolved|1=14:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Star icon.svg|Star icon.svg
Image:YellowSpikeStar.svg|A sample version.
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Image:Ursa major icon.svg|Potential icon?
Image:Ursa major icon 2.svg|Ground reversal for better visibility.
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'''Article(s):''' All star stubs.
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==SVG not working for me ==
{{resolved|1=23:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:IILWY map.svg|[[:Image:IILWY map.svg]] I tried to make on SVG image but I failed :(
Image:IILWY map.png|Of course png worked
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'''Article(s):[[IILWY]]'''
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==Gandhi's signiture==
{{Resolved|1=02:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Gandhi sign.jpg|Gandhi's signiture
Image:
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'''Article(s): [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi]]'''
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== [[Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence]] ==
{{resolved|1= Requester approves edit made. [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 00:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg|[[:Image:SistersPerpetualLogo.gif]]
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'''Article(s):''' [[Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence]]
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==Ceylon==
{{Resolved|1=[[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 08:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)}}.
Image:Coat of arms of Sri Lanka.svg|The current coat: Get the lion and maybe the inner circle pattern off of here.
Image:Coat of
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'''Article(s):''' [[Coat of arms of Sri Lanka]]
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==Carpentry Stub==
{{resolved|1=[[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] ([[User talk:XcepticZP|talk]]) 14:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Smoothing_plane_drawing.png|Smoothing plane drawing.
Image:Smoothing_plane_drawing.svg|SVG
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<references/>
'''Article(s):''' [[:Template:Woodworking-stub|Woodworking stubs template]] and woodworking templates.
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== Schrodinger's Cat ==
{{resolved|[[User:Dhatfield|Dhatfield]] ([[User talk:Dhatfield|talk]]) 16:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Schroedingerscat3.jpg|Existing illustration
Image:Schrodingers cat.svg|New SVG
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'''Article(s): [[Schrodinger's Cat]].'''
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==Flight Officer insignia==
{{resolved|1=15:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Flightofficer.gif|Flight Officer
Image:TechFlightofficer.gif|Technical Flight Officer
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Image:CAB.gif|Cadet Airman Basic/Senior Member
Image:CAB.svg|Vector version
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'''Article(s):''' [[Civil Air Patrol]]
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Here's some of them:
Image:CCMSgt.svg
Image:CSMSgt.svg
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Image:CA1C.svg
Image:CAmn.svg
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[[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 22:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[[User:Midnightcomm|Midnightcomm]] had already made a vector of the Cadet Major insignia (back in 2007, too), which I used to make the Cadet Lt. Col. and Cadet Col. ones:
Image:CLtC.svg
Image:CCol.svg
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[[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 23:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Some more!
Image:C2Lt.svg
Image: CCpt.svg
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The one with the two circles is currently [[:Image:C1Lt_2.svg]], but I'm trying to get it moved over to [[:Image:C1Lt.svg]] since my version is more complete. [[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 01:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Last ones:
Image:CAP_FlightOfficer.svg
Image:CAP_TechFlightOfficer.svg
Image:CAP_SeniorFlightOfficer.svg
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That's all I have time for. =) [[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 02:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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{{resolved|1=[[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 21:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:French university icon.png
Image:French university icon.svg|SVG
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'''Articels:''' Any stub on French education.
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Well, I just combined the 2 SVG's. :)
Cheers!
[[User: auawise|<
:Fixed the source info. Don't forget to link to the components that you use to make up the image. not doing so is in violation of the hat images license . /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
::Well, thanks! Mark as done?
::Cheers mate!
::[[User: auawise|<
== Text vector ==
{{resolved|1=[[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 02:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Al-Bahrain.
Image:Al-Bahrain.svg|SVG, good?
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'''Articel:''' [[Al-]]
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Was easy enough, I hope it's good. I think it does its job for the purposes of that article, but feel free to correct me. :)
Cheers!
[[User: auawise|<
:Image refuses to display on MW... Did you trace it, or...? [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 21:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
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==Image:Nigericin.svg==
{{resolved|1=[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 02:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Nigericin.svg
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'''Article(s):''' [[Nigericin]]
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==Havana==
{{resolved|1=[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 02:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Flag of the City of Havana Cuba..png|Flag of Havana - [[:Image:Flag of the City of Havana Cuba..png]]
Image:Escudo de la Habana.svg|Coat of Arms of Havana
Image:Flag of City of Havana.svg|Used the CoA
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'''Article(s):''' [[Havana]]
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{{resolved|1=02:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Signature of Fidel Castro.png|Signature
Image:Signature of Fidel Castro.svg|Vector version
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'''Article(s):''' [[Fidel Castro]]
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{{resolved|1=[[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 22:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)}}
File:Battle of Flamborough Head map as of 23 September 1779.gif
File:Battle of Flamborough Head map as of 23 September 1779.svg|SVG
Image:Jpj-23sep1779-1200(2).svg|SVG, take 2.
Image:Jpj-23sep1779-1200(3).svg|SVG, take 3.
Image:Battle of Flamborough Head Map.svg|Autotrace is not always the best solution...
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'''Articels:''' [[Battle of Flamborough Head]]
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'''Oppinion:'''
Here is my initial attempt at it...any suggestions? :)
[[User: auawise|<
:There is this problem with transperancy in the background so if anyone can fix it...
:Cheers!
:[[User: auawise|<
::I think this map will benefit from being turned 90 degrees counterclockwise and made bigger so that the labels aren't squished in. Lowercase labels will help too, IMO. [[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 19:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe something like that? [[User: auawise|<
::::Yes, only I wonder if you could increase the size of the base map to as to avoid the appearance of all the text crowding it (Also it would allow writing "F.H." out) and secondly, the edges of the things like the North arrow would appear sharper and less "traced". Finally, I suspect the text should be "Jones' fleet" for the possessive. The idea of the turning it is probably a good one; if anyone later determines it would be better the original way, it should be easier to change an SVG than a GIF. Thanx, [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 21:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
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==Havana==
{{resolved|1=[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 02:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Flag of the City of Havana Cuba..png|Flag of Havana - [[:Image:Flag of the City of Havana Cuba..png]]
Image:Escudo de la Habana.svg|Coat of Arms of Havana
Image:Flag of City of Havana.svg|Used the CoA
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'''Article(s):''' [[Havana]]
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{{resolved|1=02:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:Signature of Fidel Castro.png|Signature
Image:Signature of Fidel Castro.svg|Vector version
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'''Article(s):''' [[Fidel Castro]]
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File:Battle of Flamborough Head map as of 23 September 1779.gif
File:Battle of Flamborough Head map as of 23 September 1779.svg|SVG
Image:Jpj-23sep1779-1200(2).svg|SVG, take 2.
Image:Jpj-23sep1779-1200(3).svg|SVG, take 3.
Image:Battle of Flamborough Head Map.svg|Autotrace is not always the best solution...
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'''Articels:''' [[Battle of Flamborough Head]]
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'''Oppinion:'''
Here is my initial attempt at it...any suggestions? :)
[[User: auawise|<
:There is this problem with transperancy in the background so if anyone can fix it...
:Cheers!
:[[User: auawise|<
::I think this map will benefit from being turned 90 degrees counterclockwise and made bigger so that the labels aren't squished in. Lowercase labels will help too, IMO. [[User:MissMJ|MissMJ]] ([[User talk:MissMJ|talk]]) 19:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Maybe something like that? [[User: auawise|<
::::Yes, only I wonder if you could increase the size of the base map to as to avoid the appearance of all the text crowding it (Also it would allow writing "F.H." out) and secondly, the edges of the things like the North arrow would appear sharper and less "traced". Finally, I suspect the text should be "Jones' fleet" for the possessive. The idea of the turning it is probably a good one; if anyone later determines it would be better the original way, it should be easier to change an SVG than a GIF. Thanx, [[Special:Contributions/68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] ([[User talk:68.39.174.238|talk]]) 21:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
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==Image:TdFPrizeMoney.svg==
{{resolved|1=[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 12:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)}}
Image:TdFPrizeMoney.png|png version of prize money in Tour de France
Image:TdFPrizeMoney.svg|svg version of prize money in Tour de France
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'''Article(s):[[Tour de France]]'''
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:Think something had got messed up in the aspect ratio where the image got forced from 399x306px to 200x200px. The quick fix is to wash it through Inkscape. I.e. open the file in inkscape and copy everything into a new file with the same size (which I did). The nicer solution is to remove the offending bit of code, this however normally requires a few tries since mediaWiki seems to render everything in it's own unique way.
:Even if the svg has a larger filesize I'd still say it's preferable since it's easily translated and updated, but then that's just me./[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 15:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
==Image:Protestantbranches.gif==
{{resolved|1=[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 13:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)}}
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Image:Protestantbranches.gif
Image:Protestantbranches.svg|SVG
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'''Article(s):''' [[List of Christian denominations]]
'''Request:''' Could we get a better font and perhaps a non-GIF format? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rmhermen|contribs]]) 23:13, 7 July 2008 </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
'''Graphist opinion:'''
On it. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 00:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
:Made the basics. Will have to face the horrors of text rendering badly tomorrow. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 01:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, that became slightly more then a day. Anyhow a second couple of eyes catching any spelling errors is (as always) much appreciated. Apart from that I thin this is done. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 00:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:Looks much better. Thanks. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 03:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
::Fixed the duplicate Baptists entry. /[[:User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 13:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
== English Copyedit need on Tutorial-cartography_(basic).svg ==
{{Resolved|1=Yug 14:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)}}
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Image:Tutorial-cartography_(basic).svg|Former version.
Image:.png|PNG version (for curious) [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Tutorial-cartography_%28basic%29.png is vissible here]
Image:Tutorial-cartography_(basic).svg | Corrected version.
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;Article
Graphic Lab's Tutorials, for wiki graphists !
;Request
Hello,
[[Image:China, 742.svg|right|200px|thumb|Kind of map'''s''' doable after the tutorial teaching, except the background to import.]]
[[Image:Battle Trebia-fr.svg|right|200px|thumb|idem.]]
[[Image:Pyrenees_map_shaded_relief-fr.svg|right|200px|thumb|With lot of time, Except countries shape and relief shade need to be imported.]]
I worked 30 hours this 2 last weeks to create -in English- a really complete 15 pages long '''Tutorial:Cartography (basic).svg'''. This tutorial aim to take a perfect newbee in both Inkscape and map making, and teach him/her in 15 pages and one hour of explanations and exercices '''all what he need to know''' to make respectable, nice, and reliable wikimaps. This was made according to all I learnt on the French Map lab.
<br />Despite I'm French, I wrote it in English since 8 wikipedians out of 10 can understand basic English, while only 1 out of 10 for basic French. Also, '''this Tutorial need first a big copyedit'''. Afterwhat: your advices are really encouraged ! (dowload and read the SVG version to test it)
So (please !), '''one volunter to copyedit this long svg''' (probably 2 hours of work, . (one only, or the second after the first).
* '''Need:''' one volunter ;
* '''For :''' a 2 hours copyedit (+ or -1h) ;
* '''Tool need :''' Inkscape, correct English
* '''File to copyedit'''(11 sections): '''[[:Image:Tutorial-cartography (basic)-2.svg]]''' to download and open in Inkscape.
* '''Note :''' some indications are in the SVG ; the file have 11 sections (you can copyedit just 2: each help is welcome) ; 3 are missing and will be add later.
I will not work on this tutorial this week allowing the volunter to work as much as he want.
[[User:Yug|Yug]] [[User talk:Yug|<small><span style="color:green;">(talk)</span></small>]] 17:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''<br .>
Note: There is a big display bug (ImageMagic don't understand the FlowRoot fonction), and [[:fr:Wikipedia:Atelier_graphique/FAQ_SVG#Un_carr.C3.A9_noir_est_visible_sur_l.27image|according to the French SVG FAQ: there is no easy wait to fix this]]. This bug disallow the display of the '''SVG''' on wikipedia, but you can still dowload it and copyedit on it. [[Special:Contributions/62.147.248.245|62.147.248.245]] ([[User talk:62.147.248.245|talk]]) 10:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:I'll do a bit. [[User:Vladsinger | vlad<b>§</b>inger]] [[User talk:Vladsinger | <sup>tlk</sup> ]] 01:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
::Okay, that's it down to the sources section. I am doing some rewriting as well as fixing language issues to make sure the intent of the text is as clear as possible. Also fixing layout issues. Onwards! [[User:Vladsinger | vlad<b>§</b>inger]] [[User talk:Vladsinger | <sup>tlk</sup> ]] 02:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
:::...And, that's it for now. It's 1AM here and I'm off to bed. I went through every section, moved stuff around (though I may have neglected to add notes saying so). Somebody else is free to scan it again and fix anything I missed. Of course, I wasn't able to edit the parts that aren't written. I'm impressed with this - must have taken a while considering it took me ~2.5 hrs just to tweak. [[User:Vladsinger | vlad<b>§</b>inger]] [[User talk:Vladsinger | <sup>tlk</sup> ]] 05:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
A big thanks for your tweak on Tutorial-cartography_(basic).svg , I think the final version will help map creation and wikicartographers' beginning greatly. After my big effort to create this tuto, a big thanks to you for this correction, I quickly overviewed it : that's really better ! I also appreciated when I seen you display good initiative by changing many sentences and '''expanding''' some explanations with your knowledge. This was completly my aim : make a wiki-SVG-tutorial, first started by one big effort, then improve by every cartographers when better explanations are possible, exactly like a wiki page ^-^y . For all this : a big thanks to you.
As I said, I will let other cartographer read it and expand it if they want. I will probably create the missing sections separately on my PC, then, in one or 2 weeks, I will include them and make some structural update (change some sections' order). I hope the version 1.0 (complete and corrected) will be available for August 2008 :]
;Note on next steps
* '''Copyedit = {{Done}}''' ; I mark the request as "Resolved" to avoid waste of time of other graphists.
* '''3 missing sections''' = to do in the 2 next weeks, with little reorganisation (sections' order), and rewriting of the bolean section (cf Inkscape 0.46 new tools).
* '''last copyedit''': will then need a small copy edit.
* '''Final release and review''': August 2008, graphists will be welcome to keep this tutorial as best and as up to date as possible.
Yug 14:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
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