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The result was '''delete'''. sources win AFDs - or lack thereof... [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 20:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
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Fails [[WP:GNG]]. Unable to find any news source coverage, only covered on gaming forums and the creators website. ―<span style="background:#8FF;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px"> [[User:Padenton|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;color:#C00">Padenton</span>]]|[[User talk:Padenton|✉]] </span> 21:39, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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* '''Comment''' The article at least tries to make a case for notability. Not sure if it holds up to scrutiny, have to look further into it. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 11:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
* <s>''Delete''</s>, no requested 3rd party references at all since October, 2013. SPA creation, editor not seen since 2011. –[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|talk]]) 19:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC) <small>Switched to</small> '''keep''' <small>after [[User:Caroliano|Caroliano]] improved the page notably (pun intended.) –[[User:Be..anyone|Be..anyone]] ([[User talk:Be..anyone|talk]]) 01:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)</small>
* '''Strong Keep''' This language is used in the real world: http://www.compuphase.com/pawn/pawnprojects.htm
:Also, it was covered in Dr. Dobbs, under it's previous name: http://www.drdobbs.com/the-small-scripting-language/184411074 [[User:Caroliano|Caroliano]] ([[User talk:Caroliano|talk]]) 01:48, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
:: I quickly found those two links. I will post more references latter, as they don't seem sufficient. But searching "small" on google will probably be quite difficult. [[User:Caroliano|Caroliano]] ([[User talk:Caroliano|talk]]) 06:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
:: Back. First, another reliable third party source, but not as in depth as the drdobbs article:
::*Pawn is described (a section with 3 paragraphs) in Game Engine Architecture, Second Edition by by Jason Gregory, on page 962, as one of the commonly used scripting languages for games. One can get the page via google books. [http://www.amazon.com/Game-Engine-Architecture-Second-Edition/dp/1466560010 Amazon Link].
::*I don't know if a moderately big and notable open source project counts as a reliable source, but: [http://docs.enlightenment.org/auto/eio/embryo_main.html Embryo] interprets a subset of Small and is used in [[Enlightenment_(software)]]. This can also be confirmed by checking it is a package which e17 depends on all major Linux distros.
:: Now, more questionable evidence for notability:
::* Besides Small, Pawn and Embryo, another name related to the language is [https://wiki.alliedmods.net/Introduction_to_sourcepawn SourcePawn]. You will also find hundreds of [http://hellsgamers.com/topic/81279-wanting-to-learn-sourcepawn-scripting/ forum posts], [http://wiki.lethal-zone.eu/display/tf2/How+to+code+in+sourcepawn wikis], [http://unfgaming.net/404/sourcemod websites], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2u_Eaai2c youtube tutorials], [https://www.elance.com/j/coder-sourcepawn-c-skills-needed/40575353/ job recruitments], [http://namaristats.com/langs/SourcePawn github repositories] (more than 400, but most sourcepawn projects don't seem to have a github repository, as it is used by non-programmers. [http://namaristats.com/langs/PAWN Pure Pawn] has 183 repositories), etc, about it. There are [http://www.sourcemod.net/plugins.php?cat=0&mod=-1&title=&author=&description=&search=1 more than 2500 plugins] written for sourcemod alone, presumably in SourcePawn. They now seem to be developing an more modern version of SourcePawn ([http://www.sourcemod.net/ this Feb 04, 2015 17:51 news that I can't get a link of], [https://wiki.alliedmods.net/SourcePawn_Transitional_Syntax Transitional Syntax]).
::* It is covered not only in gamming related forums (and [http://codeplea.com/game-scripting-languages blogs], [http://wiki.sa-mp.com/wiki/PAWN_for_Begginers wikis], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRrF5O6NfEs youtube], etc) but also at a lesser degree [http://airlab.elet.polimi.it/index.php/Scripting_language_on_embedded_platforms as] [https://grenville.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/the-quadpawn-programming-environment-on-a-dso-quad/ an] [http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6759391/what-is-a-good-scripting-language-for-a-small-embedded-system embedded] [http://essentialscrap.com/dsoquad/pawn.html language] (plus the projects in the compuphase website).
::* One IDEs was developed especially for it: [http://sourceforge.net/projects/pawnstudio/ PAWN Studio]. The last version has 35k downloads on sourceforge, 102 of those this week.
::* Compuphase claims that it was used as a scripting language in [[Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance]] that is a notable game, but I can't find a reliable source on that.
::* And there is some [http://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/2cgf29/if_you_need_to_use_scripting_to_run_your_c_code/cjfwtp3 criticism] [http://vcmp.liberty-unleashed.co.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8ic9gmuhnlohnd5rge4btdq43&topic=2627.msg17908#msg17908 of pawn], explaining why it isn't more used nowadays. Only the second link is remotely usable though. Compuphase seems to have abandoned the language and it's main implementation. But the forks are still alive.
:: That is what I could find, but I'm not on the gamming modding community. [[User:Caroliano|Caroliano]] ([[User talk:Caroliano|talk]]) 23:39, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - not seeing significant, in-depth coverage from independent and reliable sources. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 16:04, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - Maybe listing this deletion discussion under games category could bring people who know how to search references for game modding, that seems one of the main uses of this language, if they are not still enough. [[User:Caroliano|Caroliano]] ([[User talk:Caroliano|talk]]) 23:44, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Delete'''. Notability where? Self-published (creator's website) references only. Clear fail of [[WP:NSOFTWARE]]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
::{{Reply to|Piotrus}}: please look at the article again. I included some of the sources I listed above in the discussion, among other additions. [[User:Caroliano|Caroliano]] ([[User talk:Caroliano|talk]]) 00:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' - The project is not commonly updated, but still alive. the last update was made in [https://code.google.com/p/pawnscript/source/list January 2015] [[User:Ikkentim|Ikkentim]] ([[User talk:Ikkentim|talk]]) 20:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''keep''' per Caroliano. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]]) 21:32, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Comment/keep''' - The language is recognized by the [https://github.com/search?l=PAWN&p=3&q=language%3APAWN&ref=advsearch&type=Repositories&utf8=%E2%9C%93 language detection on github]. 188 repositories which are mainly written in PAWN are hosted on github. Most of them seem to be related to the [http://sa-mp.com SA-MP game modification]. I know I don't have much reasons to say keep, but still I think we should. [[User:Ikkentim|Ikkentim]] ([[User talk:Ikkentim|talk]]) 13:12, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
:: Don't forget the almost 500 repositories listed under ''SourcePawn'', another recognized language by Github, that I linked in my vote. [[User:Caroliano|Caroliano]] ([[User talk:Caroliano|talk]]) 00:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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