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In order to remain listed at [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]], at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the ''same'' dispute with a ''single'' user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: <ttcode>02:05, [[March 31]], [[2006]]</ttcode><!-- it's fixed now -->), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: <tt>{{mono|{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</tt>}}.

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*([[User:SPUI|SPUI]] | [[User talk:SPUI|talk]] | [[Special:contributions/SPUI|contributions]])

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''Users should only edit one summary or view, other than to endorse.''

==Statement of the dispute==

''[[User:SPUI]] has repeatedly disrupted and made provocative edits to hundreds of pages, in violation of the terms of his probation.''

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:# [[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 05:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:# [[User:JohnnyBGood|JohnnyBGood]] 18:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC) I've tried working with this guy and gotten nothing but smartass replies and grief for it. He doesn't know the meaning of the word "compromise" or the meaning of the word "consensus".

:# [[User:Lbmixpro|LBMixPro]][[User talk:Lbmixpro|^&lt;Sp]][[WP:EA|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">^e</fontspan>]][[User talk:Lbmixpro|^{ak|on|it!&gt;}]] 04:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC) on the grounds that his pagemoves (which at state level are disputed) are disruptive. since they cause double redirects, from people trying to find the right title to file their wikilinks and make the way the articles ordered sloppy.

:# -- [[User:Dragoonmac|Dragoonmac]] - ^{<small>[[User_talk:Dragoonmac|If there was a problem]] <b>yo</b> [[Special:Contributions/Dragoonmac|I'll solve it]]</small>} 22:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC) (but on a less bright note, Rschen doesn't want to give up any groud either... <sigh>)

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:#Very limited endorsement of the portion about how Curps's bot should not have blocking power. No comment on the rest. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 08:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:#As above; endorse that Curps' bot should not be blocking. [[User:86.133.241.100|86.133.241.100]] 00:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:#I endorse the greater part of this summary, however Curps' activities serve an crucial function, and a few (easily avoidablecorrectable) false positives are insufficient reason to stop him. If you disagree, check out the block log from 01:11, January 7, 2006 UTC. It will change your perspective on life. — <small>Apr. 2, '06</small> <ttspan class="plainlinks" style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">'''[15:40] <[{{fullurl:user:freakofnurture}} freakofnur_xture][[special:contributions/freakofnurture||]][{{fullurl:user talk:freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} talk]>'''</ttspan>

:#—[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 22:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Fair and balanced view ==

Kick this straight back to [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-12 U.S. Roads]] and slap everyone who edits this page with a trout. Including me. - [[User:Aaron Brenneman|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;">brenneman</fontspan>]]<span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=[Special:Log&user=/Aaron+ Brenneman|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;" title="Admin actions">^'''{L}'''</fontspan>]</span>] 04:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>):

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# '''Oppose''' this view. We tried that... it has gotten us nowhere. If this fails I suggest going to arbcom.[[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 05:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:I'm slapping everyone with a trout anyway. :) <nowiki></nowiki> &mdash; [[User:Rickyrab|Rickyrab]] | [[User talk:Rickyrab|Talk]] 22:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC) (slap)(slap)(slap)

==Inside view==

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===Users endorsing this view===

#I do endorse my own view. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]] ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) ''' 05:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

#*I'll assist in mediation if no one screams. - [[User:Aaron Brenneman|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;">brenneman</fontspan>]]<span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=[Special:Log&user=/Aaron+ Brenneman|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#000000;" title="Admin actions">^'''{L}'''</fontspan>]</span>] 06:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

#--[[User:JohnnyBGood|JohnnyBGood]] 18:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC) I support this view.

#<nowiki></nowiki> &mdash; [[User:Rickyrab|Rickyrab]] | [[User talk:Rickyrab|Talk]] 22:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::::\ #[[User:JohnnyBGoodPHenry|JohnnyBGoodphh]] 0006:0916, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

==Outside view==

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# --[[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 17:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

# --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]] ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) ''' 01:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

# —[[User:PHenry|phh]] 06:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

===Response===

If "anonymous IPs would never be able to escape blocks if they behaved like SPUI", that's a problem with the blocking admins, NOT with me. Your blocks were over-the-top, and you were called on it. Still you reblocked, after claiming you wanted to avoid wheel wars. If anyone was at fault there, it was you. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]] - <small>[[User:SPUI/SFD|don't use sorted stub templates!]]</small>) 08:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:The block was put back into place because you went right back to the same behavior after the unblock.^{[citation needed]} Of course, you didn't want to mention that, did you? --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 08:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::And the unblocking admins disputed that such behaviors warranted a block. Of course, you didn't want to mention that, did you? --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]] - <small>[[User:SPUI/SFD|don't use sorted stub templates!]]</small>) 08:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:::I already did. Read my statement above. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 08:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:::In any case, this is the edit that got me: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SPUI&diff=prev&oldid=44777149] Making such an edit when you had already been unblocked, with an edit summary like that, was a violation of [[WP:POINT]], fully deserving of yet another block. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 08:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::::EXCUSE ME? ASKING TO BE UNBLOCKED WAS A VIOLATION OF [[WP:POINT]]? WHAT THE FUCK? --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]] - <small>[[User:SPUI/SFD|don't use sorted stub templates!]]</small>) 08:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::You were already unblocked at the time. The edit summary was a taunt. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 08:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::Obviously I hadn't realized I was unblocked, as no one had let me know. Read [[WP:AGF]] until its meaning sinks in. I still don't get how it's a violation of [[WP:POINT]]. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]] - <small>[[User:SPUI/SFD|don't use sorted stub templates!]]</small>) 08:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:Real demonstrative of your pattern behavior: [[User:MONGO]]'s rather nicely worded request to you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SPUI&curid=1122158&diff=46293730&oldid=46272986] and your response [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MONGO&diff=prev&oldid=46293938]. --[[User:Nlu|Nlu]] ([[User talk:Nlu|talk]]) 08:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::I find it somewhat offensive when people are offended over silly things like usage of the word fuck. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] ([[User talk:SPUI|talk]] - <small>[[User:SPUI/SFD|don't use sorted stub templates!]]</small>) 08:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Me too. Nonetheless, the revert war over state highways is more serious, and THAT'S what we oughta be discussing - not the F word, and not joke edits to some project page. <nowiki></nowiki> &mdash; [[User:Rickyrab|Rickyrab]] | [[User talk:Rickyrab|Talk]] 22:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::::I honestly don't think it's the use of the F-word per se. It's the choice of using it on articles he's making controversial or disputed edits too. Frankly if he wants to say "fuck" in the edit description on an edit to his talk page or a new article he's created or a non controversial edit... I doubt we'd even be talking about it. But in the middle of an edit war it does nothing but destroy any [[WP:FAITH]] about him, brings his motives into question, and is downright uncalled for.[[User:JohnnyBGood|JohnnyBGood]] 22:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::Good point.<nowiki></nowiki> &mdash; [[User:Rickyrab|Rickyrab]] | [[User talk:Rickyrab|Talk]] 22:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::Just testing :)<nowiki></nowiki> &mdash; [[User:Rickyrab|Rickyrab]] | [[User talk:Rickyrab|Talk]] 22:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::::\ [[User:JohnnyBGood|JohnnyBGood]] 00:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Apparently I've been blocked by [[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]] for using "fuck" in edit summaries, under the claim that it's disruptive. You guys win. Move the pages back. Change the infoboxes back. Your campaign of harassment was successful. --[[User:SPUI|SPUI]] (The only edit I'll make under this sockpuppet, so don't bother blocking it, because the autoblocker won't kick in)

== Another view ==

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Despite the fact that Gateman1997 and JohnnyBGood appear to collaborate so frequently and share so many interests, each has edited the other's talk page exactly one time [{{fullurl:User talk:JohnnyBGood|diff=42859156&oldid=42577110}}], [{{fullurl:User talk:Gateman1997|diff=44733400&oldid=44685875}}].

Additionally, Gateman and Johnny obviously occupy the same time zone, as shown by their edit graphs [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?dbname=enwiki_p&user=Gateman1997], [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?dbname=enwiki_p&user=JohnnyBGood], yet there is curiously no overlap in their posting times. One user will make several dozen edits, then stop, then an hour later, the other will start editing. Furthermore, they share unusual formatting quirks which I will explain in greater detail upon request.

:See the talk page. There is more then enough evidence of my and several other users innocence in this matter. I would request this be removed as nothing but a personal attack at this point. The checkuser proved his and my innocence as did several other pieces of evidence at WP:AN/I and the talk page, not the least of which is [[User:JohnnyBGood]]'s admission of stalking not only myself but, [[User:SPUI]] and [[User:Rschen7754]]. [[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 08:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

====Gateman1997 has made frivolous edits to redirects to inhibit pagemoves====

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Gateman's reply:

:[{{fullurl:User talk:Gateman1997|diff=next&oldid=45637263}} None, he immediately archived his talk page].

:*I won't apologize for anything here. This was my only recourse in slowing SPUI's crusade to rename all state route articles since I'm no admin and didn't want to start a move war, something he was more then happy to provide us according to the evidence here. [[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 08:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

====What Arbcom says about all this====

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===Users who endorse this summary===

#— <small>Apr. 1, '06</small> <ttspan class="plainlinks" style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">'''[08:28] <[{{fullurl:user:freakofnurture}} freakofnur_xture][[special:contributions/freakofnurture||]][{{fullurl:user talk:freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} talk]>'''</ttspan>

#—[[User:Locke Cole|Locke Cole]] • [[User talk:Locke Cole|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Locke Cole|c]] 08:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC) You left out the part where {{admin|Rschen7754}} blocked me for "mass page moves" in violation of a rule he and a few other sysops made up '''on their own''' at [[WP:AN/I]] (in direct violation of [[WP:BLOCK]]; specifically [[WP:BLOCK#When_blocking_may_not_be_used|When blocking may not be used]]). But I endorse everything else. :P

# [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] <small>[[User talk:Ashibaka|tock]]</small> 16:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

# [[User:Atanamir|atanamir]] 23:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

# [[User:Grue|<fontspan style="background: black"; face="font-family:Courier"; color=":#FFFFFF;">'''&nbsp;Grue&nbsp;'''</fontspan>]] 20:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

# '''[[User:AKMask|<span style="color:#990011">M</span>]]'''[[User_talk:AKMask|<sup style="color:#990011">ask</sup>]] [[Image:Flag_of_Alaska.svg|20 px]] 18:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

#--[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]][[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">es</span>]][[User:Celestianpower|tianpower]] ^{[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]} 18:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

# [[User talk:FrancisTyers|FrancisTyers]] 15:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

==Yet another view in my defense==

Once again RFC degenerates into a mindless namecalling session all around. What a shocker. Makes one wonder why such a venue even exists anymore.Please see the talk page. There is more then enough evidence of my and several other users innocence in this matter. I would request the section attacking me be removed as nothing but a personal attack at this point. The checkuser proved his and my innocence as did several other pieces of evidence at WP:AN/I and the talk page, not the least of which is [[User:JohnnyBGood]]'s admission of stalking not only myself but, [[User:SPUI]] and [[User:Rschen7754]] and that we have posted many times overlapping. As for the revert blocks, I won't apologize for anything here. That was my only recourse in slowing SPUI's crusade to rename all state route articles since I'm no admin and didn't want to start a move war, something he was more then happy to provide us according to the evidence here. [[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 08:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Gateman1997|Gateman1997]] 08:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. It's gone downhill. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]] ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) ''' 10:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

===Users that endorse this===

:Probably because people do not bother to read diffs. Well have a nice night everyone. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]] ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) ''' 10:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. It's gone downhill.# --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]] ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) ''' 1002:2548, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

# [[User:PHenry|phh]] 06:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC), but please [[WP:AGF]] on the part of [[User:JohnnyBGood]]. "Stalking" is a term with an intensely negative connotation that I don't think is warranted here. JohnnyBGood admits to keeping an eye on several people's recent contributions, which is allowed and even encouraged--otherwise it wouldn't be so easy to do. This in no way amounts to stalking.

==4th Outside View==

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===Finale===

Why should we sully the names of good users, and drag everyone involved in the project through the mud. Is there any reason to care about the difference between [[California State Route 9]] and [[State Route 9 (California)]]. No, there isn't. Two productive editors have gotten too involved to think strait. Everyone outta simmer down, and find a solution, w/o fighting over stupid, dumb, and trivial crap. -- [[User:Dragoonmac|Dragoonmac]] - ^{<small>[[User_talk:Dragoonmac|If there was a problem]] <b>yo</b> [[Special:Contributions/Dragoonmac|I'll solve it]]</small>}Thanks 13:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

==Closure?==

Seeing as there is an active Arbcom on this very issue now, I believe we can close and archive this discussion since it is no longer active or useful. [[User:JohnnyBGood|JohnnyBGood]] [[User talk:JohnnyBGood|t]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/JohnnyBGood/ c] 17:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

:Probably because people do not bother to read diffs. Well have a nice night everyoneSeconded. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]] ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) ''' 1022:4845, 117 AprilMay 2006 (UTC)

==Discussion==