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::: May be if you had more that 61 edits on this project you would know that we have policies, and not everything you do not like is nonsense.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 11:28, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
:::: You're so full of shit. It isn't about my likes or dislikes, but about your and your clique's ridiculous petty efforts to abuse formal procedures to postpone the inevitable. You know just well as I do English language sources will cease to call the city both Dnipro- and Dnepropetrovsk and the only obvious and logical substitute for the old name is Dnipro. [[User:Cl|Cl]] ([[User talk:Cl|talk]]) 11:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
::: The city was officially renamed on the 16-th of May 2016 ([http://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/politics/2016/05/160519_dnipro_rename_vc Рада перейменувала Дніпропетровськ на Дніпро], {{
:::: Last time I checked, Wikimedia Foundation was not subordinate to the Rada.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 16:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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: I've assumed that missed something and has checked law again:
: {{lang|uk|"В офіційних документах, друкованих засобах масової інформації, картографічних, '''довідкових, енциклопедичних,''' навчальних та інших виданнях назви географічних об'єктів України передаються '''літерами латинського чи іншого алфавіту з унормованою державною мовою''' назв географічного об'єкта за правилами, встановленими спеціально уповноваженим органом виконавчої влади з питань географічних назв."<br/>...<br/>Географічні назви, встановлені згідно з цим Законом, є '''обов'язковими''' для застосування органами державної влади, органами місцевого самоврядування, '''підприємствами, установами та організаціями, засобами масової інформації,''' а також у навчальних, картографічних, довідкових, '''енциклопедичних виданнях,''' оголошеннях, рекламах, вивісках, дорожніх покажчиках, поштових відправленнях та інших сферах їхнього офіційного застосування.<br/>...<br/>Назви географічних об'єктів України як складова частина історичної і '''культурної спадщини''' Українського народу - громадян України всіх національностей охороняються державою.}}.
: Wikipedia is encyclopedia - and it's clearly listed in law.
: If this law is not enough for you - read Constitution
: {{lang|uk|'''Стаття 66.''' Кожен зобов'язаний не заподіювати шкоду природі, '''культурній спадщині,''' відшкодовувати завдані ним збитки.<br/>...<br/>'''Стаття 68.''' Кожен зобов'язаний неухильно додержуватися Конституції України та '''законів України,''' не посягати на права і<br/>свободи, честь і гідність інших людей. Незнання законів не звільняє від юридичної відповідальності.}}.
In my opinion trying to name cities based on their common usage is something as trying to rename [[New York City]] to Big Apple (because it's commonly used) or [[New Amsterdam]] (because it was name like this in the past). --[[User:TAG.Odessa|TAG]] 12:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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|1800<ref>Eugene.com states that the population in the early 19th Century was 6,389, whilst Cheba states that this was the population in 1800.</ref>
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|1811<ref name=DiasporaMerchants34>Kardasis, Vassilis, ''Diaspora Merchants in the Black Sea: The Greeks in Southern Russia, 1775–1861'', pub Lexington Books, 2001, {{ISBN
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|1825<ref name=Cheba>[http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/a4b "History" a Dnipropetrovsk Travel Page by Cheba]</ref>
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--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 10:07, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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[[User_talk:Toddy1#Happy_New_Year_to_you_too.21|I have been asked to give an opinion about the photo in the infobox of this article]]. Although I am not crazy about both pics... I favor the current one since it captured the essence of the current state of the city better (a lot of new buildings being build there). I could not find a better picture on [[Wikimedia Commons]]. Personally I prefer montage pictures in infoboxes of cities (since [[Manchester]], [[Bristol]], [[Oxford]], [[Birmingham]] & [[Liverpool]] (you could argue that [[Dnipropetrovsk]] is Ukraine's Manchester) have a montage picture in the infobox. I have the feeling that the policies of Wikipedia are shifting towards putting montage pictures in infoboxes of large cities). — '''[[User:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:orange">Yulia Romero</span>]]''' • [[User_talk:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:blue">Talk to me!</span>]] 19:59, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
File:Dnipropetrowsk.jpg|Current photo: ''Skyline of Dnipropetrovsk''
File:Dnepropetrovsk 9850s.JPG|Previous photo till December 2012: ''Victory memorial at the beginning of Karl Marx Avenue overlooking the [[Dnieper River]].''
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== Demographics ==
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Cheers.—[[User:Cyberbot II|<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier;">cyberbot II</sup>]]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">[[User talk:Cyberbot II|<span style="color:green;">Talk to my owner</span>]]:Online</sub></small> 22:28, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
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== Current Mayor [[Ivan Kulichenko]].... ==
was elected in 2010 as an independent candidate; but he officially joined the ranks of the [[Party of Regions]] last July.<ref>{{
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*'''Support'''-- --[[User:Lohengrin|Lohengrin]] ([[User talk:Lohengrin|talk]]) 06:34, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Support'''-- --[[User:Bouzinac|Bouzinac]] ([[User talk:Bouzinac|talk]]) [[User:Bouzinac|Bouzinac]] ([[User talk:Bouzinac|talk]]) 15:42, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Wikipedia follows the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] policy, under which it is mostly irrelevant what the official name is ({{Tq|Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title}}). What is relevant is the usage in reliable English language sources, and I still do not see any evidence that "Dnipro" is a common name in English language sources. Those who argue for renaming say that "{{tq|there is no reason to think it would not be universally adopted}}". But, Wikipedia should not try to predict the future (see [[WP:CRYSTAL]]). We look into already existing reliable sources to identify the commonly used name, we should not try to predict what the commonly used name will be in the future. So, there is not policy-based reason to rename this article (yet). '''[[User:Vanjagenije|<
*:[[WP:CRYSTAL]] works both ways here: keeping Dnipropetrovsk as the name of the article means that we predict that the new name will be never used in English-reason sources. Still, in a similar case (McKinley/Denali) this question did not arise. Why should we speculate that the new name will be basically ignored? — [[User:NickK|NickK]] ([[User talk:NickK|talk]]) 16:18, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. And just to prevent all kinds of speculation in "common" names which I saw in Kyiv article - for all Ukrainians call it by long DniproPETROVSK name is not common for decades already, saying this as person who lives in this city and who knows a lot of people in Ukraine. [[User:Sandric|Sandric]] ([[User talk:Sandric|talk]]) 18:38, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
* '''Support'''-- --[[User:Neptune777|Neptune777]] ([[User talk:Neptune777|talk]]) 22:42, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
* I '''support''' renaming but '''not now'''. Decree is not signed yet, and voting results are [http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2016/05/19/7108958/ protested] now by some parliamentary members. Decree maybe signed and deposited after the voting for decree project [http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=59162 3864-П]. So renaming is not in act now.--[[User:Ahonc|'''<span style="color:purple;">''Anatoliy''</span>''']] ([[User talk:Ahonc|<
:: You're right, it's not official yet but even without that formality, city workers have tore down the sign on the city entrance already. Looking set in stone (literally). [http://uatoday.tv/society/dnipro-petrovsk-no-more-city-sign-undergoes-quick-make-over-660464.html] --'''''BLACK FUTURE''''' <small>([[User talk:Black Future|tlk2meh]])</small> 17:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
:::It doesn't matter if the whole population of Dnipro (including my aged in-laws) turns out and spells Dnipro on the banks of the river in blue and yellow shirts, that's not '''''English''''' usage. --[[User:TaivoLinguist|Taivo]] ([[User talk:TaivoLinguist|talk]]) 17:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose'''. When it becomes commonly known as Dnipro then we can change it. Until then it's commonly known by its longer name. It is utterly irrelevant what its official name may be or what Ukrainians call it. All that matters is what it's called in reliable English-language sources (discounting those published in Ukraine itself, of course). -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 15:14, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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