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== Template:WikiProject Food and drink ==
[[:Template:WikiProject Food and drink]] is expanding oddly at [[Talk:Candy pumpkin]] in that it takes up about six inches, most of which lacks text. If you have some free time, please take a look. Thanks. -- [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] [[User talk:Suntag|<b><big><
:What browser, etc etc etc etc? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 08:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
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::This should now be fixed. Does it work for you? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 17:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's working now. Thanks! What was changed to make it work? [[User:Stevietheman|<span style="color:green;">'''Stevie is the man!'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 18:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
::::The CollapsibleTables code itself had a subtle error which affected the cologneblue skin only (it was looking for an id that doesn't exist in the cologneblue skin metadata). It wasn't spotted before because, TBH, no one uses cologneblue! <
== Shorten banner that clutters talk-pages ==
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|image=[[Image:E-Guitare-horiz.png|80px|For WikiProject Music]]|text=This article is within the scope of [[Zzz|WikiProject Wxxxyyyzzz]], a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of [[Zzz|wxxxyyyzzz stuff]] on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
}}
::::<div style="text-align: center;"><small>[ Guitar images added at 19:19, 14 Nov 2008. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ]</small></div>
The shorter box is still tall enough to allow a side image. Also, the shorter box says "or" as in ''"or see a list of open tasks"'' indicating a reader doesn't have to join to see the tasks.
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:Browser/OS please? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 16:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not sure how that matters, but it's Firefox 3.0.3 and Windows Vista (all updates applied). [[User:Stevietheman|<span style="color:green;">'''Stevie is the man!'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 17:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh believe me, all rendering/display problems are browser-related <
::::The first two nested project titles are centered, and the third appears left-aligned. Beyond browser rendering differences, I wonder if this could be a skin issue again (arghh, I love Cologne Blue!). :) [[User:Stevietheman|<span style="color:green;">'''Stevie is the man!'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 19:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::In IE7, the first project title appears more centered than when viewing with Firefox, but it still sits significantly to the left of the first two. [[User:Stevietheman|<span style="color:green;">'''Stevie is the man!'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 19:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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<th class="mbox-text"> <span style="float:left;">{{
<table style="background:transparent; margin:-3px; width:100%;" align=center>
<tr><td style="text-align:right; width:50%;">[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musical Instruments|WikiProject Musical Instruments]]</td>
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<tr class="wpb-header">
<td style="width:1px;"></td>
<th class="mbox-text"> <span style="float:left;">{{
<table style="background:transparent; margin:-3px; width:100%;" align=center>
<tr><td style="text-align:right; width:50%;">[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musical Instruments|WikiProject Musical Instruments]]</td>
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== Padding at the bottom of banner ==
{{#invoke:WikiProject banner|main
|PROJECT = Tulips
|small = {{{small|}}}
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:::Nonetheless some projects use it, so it has to be supported. I'm not saying it makes sense! I can see the logic behind saying that template examples genuinely are "not applicable", although with the category exemption it's easier just to classify it as FA-Class and stick {{para|category|no}}. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 14:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::::You could always create a page similar to [[Template:OH-Project/hide]]. (I don't think this one's documented anywhere though) [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">¡Talk to me!</span>]] 02:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Mysterious things may be in the works... watch this space (and poke me if it doesn't seem to be being filled <
== Problem with image right ==
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::::Thank you for looking into the matter. I hope the problem can be fixed. – [[User:Ilse@|Ilse]][[User talk:Ilse@|@]] 13:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well we'll just wait for the boss to come and fix it. I guess it's related to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WPBannerMeta/bchecklist&diff=254230551&oldid=241627416 edit] of four days ago. [[User talk:Msgj|MSGJ]] 13:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::So revert it <
:::::::Well not all of us are able to edit protected pages ... I've been waiting 10 days for a protected edit on another page which still hasn't been done. Seriously though I don't think I would dare touch this template :) [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Eh? I could have ''sworn'' you were an admin... <
::::::::Lol, sounds painful. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:{{fixed}} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fbchecklist&diff=255061825&oldid=254230551] [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 21:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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So I think I understand how to use the peer review hook. But the project is now looking to be able to add notices about A-Class reviews, with discussions and categories similar to a PR. What do I need to do to be able to have peer-review and an A-Class review added to the [[Template:OH-Project|template]]? Would I use NOTE_1 for the A-Class review? Thanks. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">¡Talk to me!</span>]] 02:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:Have a look at {{tlx|WPBannerMeta/hooks/aclass}}. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense. And remind me to document that somewhere <
::Would someone mind checking my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AOH-Project%2FSandbox&diff=257552321&oldid=257524274 addition] to make sure I didn't screw anything up? Thanks! [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">¡Talk to me!</span>]] 17:37, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Looks pretty good to me.
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:::#And some of the peer review parameters were wrong.
:::[[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 20:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Thank you for the help. The only reason I removed <
:::::No, it needs to be passed to the A-class hook as well. You're welcome. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Must have done something wrong? I tested passing the A-Class parameter and nothing happened. Any ideas, the code's still in the sandbox. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">¡Talk to me!</span>]] 22:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:I don't see anything wrong. It's working on my [[User:Msgj/Sandbox1|sandbox]]. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 00:50, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe I still had the old version cached somehow? After clearing everything out it's working, thanks for all your help again. [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">¡Talk to me!</span>]] 01:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I promise my brain usually isn't this small. <
::::I'm going to break this functionality into a hook, it's just too bespoke. Then you can put it wherever you like. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 11:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sounds good, any idea about the category not appearing? [[User:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">§hep</span>]] • [[User talk:Stepshep|<span style="color:green; font-family:Comic Sans MS;">¡Talk to me!</span>]] 11:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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== Redesign needs testing ==
I have spent most of this evening refining a complete redesign of the template's code flow, to reduce duplication of processor-intensive code snippets and make the design more streamlined and hence more robust. It should also make it possible/easier to complete some of the tasks on the todo list and requests outstanding on this page, most notably a more refined implementation of the extended quality scale. The changes are very substantial and involve modifications to every code subpage; consequently, I'm anxious to test the new design thoroughly before deploying it on all 600,000-some pages where the live banner appears. I would very much appreciate the assistance of anyone floating around this page who has some spare time (<
:I am not sure what parts are meant to be working for this test and what aren't, so forgive me if I provide a redundant comment:
:*|COMMENTS=yes seems to be making a call to [[Template:WPBannerMeta/comments/sandbox]], which doesn't exist right now.
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::Ouch! {{fixed}}. Many thanks, keep up the good work! [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 17:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you know you have two hook_notes on your video games test template? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 13:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::Wasn't me, guv', I just used whatever happened to be there at the time <
Request: could you do a mask for [[Template:WPBannerMeta/importancescale]] as you have done with [[Template:WPBannerMeta/qualityscale]] and [[Template:WPBannerMeta/qualityscale/class]]? I think it would help in some ways. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 19:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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:::Thanks for that fix, but just to let you know, there is still a problem when there has been no importance assigned, for example, at [[Talk:Alfonso_Soriano]], it displays as the same problem. —[[User talk:Borgarde|Borgarde]] 02:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::These ones are using the taskforce hook to display extra taskforces so I guess it's because the hook has not yet been updated. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 07:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::{{fixed}}, although that makes the /hooks/taskforces hook ''horribly'' inefficient... oh well, what can you do? <
== FQS ==
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== Custom quality scales now available ==
After implementing and reverting the new banner code three times this afternoon I finally found the two-character error that was single-handedly demolishing the 1.0 assessment scheme and breaking half a million pages (<
:Also, in response to Happy-melon, I think that Project should be kept in the template on its own; I think that it's pretty useful (although please correct me if there's consensus somewhere else regarding this that I just don't know about). -[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|talk]]) 02:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do we have any stats about how many projects are using Project-Class? It could be a lot of (unnecessary) work to convert banners if it is unsupported by default. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 10:09, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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::::Remember that most of these do not use WPBannerMeta. A list of all pages transcluding WPBannerMeta banners set to those four quality types is at [[:Category:WPBannerMeta templates using obscure class values]]. I'm not sure how best to intersect those two lists to work out exactly how many WPBannerMeta banners are affected. It's certainly not that many. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 14:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Fair enough, but even if there aren't many pages using it, what would be the point of removing the support for the classes? It's not like there's severly limited space, and it would just create more unnecessary work for the projects which do use them. -[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|talk]]) 15:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Because for the vast majority of projects that ''don't'' use them, it's cluttering up their assessment categories and they're getting nasty warnings instructing them to create the categories anyway. Effectively the banner is forcing ''everyone'' to support them whether they like it or not, which is not very nice <
:::::::Gotcha. So how hard will it be then to create the category separetely for each project that wants it? I'm still not able to figure out the template coding for some of these more complicated ones. -[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|talk]]) 15:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::It can be expected that more and more projects will convert their banners, so although there might not be many now it may well increase. I would still argue that the Project-class should be kept because it's one related to a specific namespace and so is one which will classify by default (namespace detection). [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 20:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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so that it doesn't matter which μ is used.
-- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 16:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:Or do <code><nowiki>{{#switch:{{{category|µ}}}|µ|µ=[[Category:Foo]]}}</nowiki></code> wherever we currently use <code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:{{{category|µ}}}|µ|[[Category:Foo]]}}</nowiki></code> at the moment, which would be nicer. Incidentally I think both the µ characters in both our examples are the same <
Upon looking into it, I suspect that the problems here come from the fact that Unicode incorporates two characters here that look absolutley identical: the "lowercase letter mu" '''μ''' and the "micro prefix" '''µ'''. WPBM uses the mu character which is a start, but it seems to me that <s>we</s> I have dug us into a bit of a hole here by using a character that's open to such easy confusion. I'm inclined to pull the plug on the whole thing and change everything to use an obscure letter that actually appears on the keyboard somewhere to also make it easier to use. Any suggestions for characters to use? I'm leaning towards the "tilde" '''~''' or the mysterious "not sign" '''¬''', which also has the advantage of making some semantic sense. Thoughts? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 18:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:I might suggest to not use ~ due to its other uses. But ¬ seems a good option. I must admit I am still baffled by the role that this plays in the template. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 15:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
By the way, I am assuming that ¬ will not have the same problems as μ?? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 12:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
:I bloody well hope not! <
== Importance vs Priority ==
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So, the question is, should these projects be migrated over to use the importance scale or should the WPBannerMeta template be modified to have an option to use a priority scale instead? -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 20:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:You forgot the biggest, WPBiography. Note that there is a hook, /priorityscale IIRC, that allows this. I think each project should be asked, explicitly, whether they think the perceived advantages of the semantic distinction outweigh the costs associated with being so radically different to the rest of the wiki community. If they think so, then we should give them the hook (in the nicest possible way <
::I was actually looking in the wrong place, there are a few more than seven projects. Anyway, do you have an example of how to use the hook? I had a look in [[Template:WPBannerMeta/importancescale|/importancescale]] and there's a parameter called '''IMPN''' but it doesn't seem to be passed through from /core -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 23:34, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
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:It should be. Example? [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 16:58, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, my mistake again it seems. What I am really trying to do is to get hook_collapsed to work without using any collapsed_text or collapsed notes. Is this possible? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 23:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I see, although I don't entirely follow your thought processes from one to the other <
::::No I don't think they were related really :) Next thing: I think there is a vertical line missing after {{CAT on [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/peerreview]]}}. Thanks, [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 11:27, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::There certainly is, well spotted. {{fixed}} [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b>]] 13:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I still think there is something wrong with the [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces|taskforce hook]]. FQS and B_CHECKLIST are not passed to /class. For TF_2-6, FQS is passed (possibly unnecessarily) to /taskforce, but not for TF_1. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 21:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:{{fixed}} ?? Get someone to revert [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces&diff=prev&oldid=260569750] if things break; I have to go to bed <
::Yes, I think it is fixed thanks. Next thing. When using custom quality classes (e.g. Bplus), the banner says it is not an article and does not require a rating. This is wrong in this case (e.g. [[Talk:Fourier series]]). Can something be done about it? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 14:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::I think it unlikely that a particular class would be regarded as an article by one project and not by another. Therefore I propose a yes/no switch on a separate page which tells /qualityscale whether it's an article or not. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 15:23, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
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:Editprotected request placed. [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 20:11, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
::I've reverted it myself—I hope he won't mind. [[User:Fvasconcellos|Fvasconcellos]]<small> ([[User talk:Fvasconcellos|t]]·[[Special:Contributions/Fvasconcellos|c]])</small> 20:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks. As I've said before somewhere else; don't hesitate to revert me if I screw up, it happens often enough. You usually can't make the problem any ''worse'', even if it's impossible to go back to the previous behavior because they're a series of connected changes. Just go to my contribs and start clicking 'undo' until it looks ok <
== category=no ==
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:::#Update the root template to pass to /core if ''category'' is defined.
:::I think I prefer the second option. Thoughts? [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 08:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Indeed not nice! I have done option 2 (good thinking!), which is now, I hope, nice... <
:::::Great! Surprised this hasn't come up before ... [[User talk:Msgj|Martin]] 16:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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