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{{Quote|User agents should support Ogg Theora video and Ogg Vorbis audio, as well as the Ogg container format.}}
-- [[User: R3morse|r3morse]] [[User talk: R3morse|<
: It is a citation of a diff of a change done to an HTML page. --[[User:AVRS|AVRS]] ([[User talk:AVRS|talk]]) 20:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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I see who opposed it, but who brought it up in the first place?
Don't know, but I'm very please the HTML 5 folks ditched support for ogg, which is not supported in Vista or Windows 7. 06:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.70.245.140|75.70.245.140]] ([[User talk:75.70.245.140|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->▼
== What's so special about OGG? ==
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What other free (libre) media format has been proposed for inclusion in a W3C markup specification? PNG? SVG? TXT? RSS? WTF? None? It's not even '''required''' that useragents support or display images of any format at all - what's so special about OGG that it gets special attention from W3C? This isn't intended to be argumentative, I sincerely want to know what's behind this. It seems so contrary to the way any other peripheral media is considered in relation to Web markup language specifications and development. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.247.104.84|76.247.104.84]] ([[User talk:76.247.104.84|talk]]) 04:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The special part of ogg is that this format have no patents and everybody/every vendor can implement this format. The idea behind the video tag is that every browser should be able to handle the video without install an extra plugin - and on some os the plugins are not avaible, i.e. dos or old windows versions(and many other oses)![[User talk:Mabdul|<
:The idea is to avoid the current mess we're in regarding video on the Web. Beside Flash, you have Windows Media files, Quicktime files, Realvideo... Each requiring its own plugin/player, most of them from a specific vendor, and sometimes not easily available across OS. Ogg are the only open-source formats for multimedia files, and therefore suitable for implementation on every OS without vendor lock-in. But of course, Apple doesn't want people to move away from their proprietary Quicktime player which is currently installed on a majority of computer. Even if Quicktime is probably better than Theora in term of image quality, if it wasn't needed anymore for most video, their installed base would drop (remember, they tried to push Safari on Windows by including it by default in the Quicktime updater). [[User:Ksempac|Ksempac]] ([[User talk:Ksempac|talk]]) 09:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:: PNG is a free (libre) media format, but only because the big boys couldn't ignore it anymore. Nice to see the big boys having to adapt themselves instead of the other way around. There could be others that are free (libre) but I know that png is anyway. --[[User:Thelennonorth|Thelennonorth]] ([[User talk:Thelennonorth|talk]]) 16:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
== Move to "Ogg formats in HTML 5" ==
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One other key issue that some people fail to take into consideration are the [[EULA]] requirements one must agree in order to use a particular player. If a company that produces any of these media players or media player browser plugins wants to make money from selling peoples personal information, installing any manner of methods of spying on peoples files, communications, etc., and includes the right for them to do so in their vague or explicit EULA license that you MUST agree in order to view their proprietary media format, then what option does the user have but to be denied access to the media they wish to see in order to protect their privacy?! THIS IS THE MAJOR ISSUE WITH THE OGG FORMAT! It is completely FREE from these restrictions! How will the robber barrons profit when everyone is using NON-proprietary media? It appears that Wikipedia is based upon a [[Socialism]] type of concept. IMHO, I think that the Web and the Internet standards in general should be also. Using proprietary formats doesn't live up to the standard of a free, non-propietary Internet. I included the actual full reference in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ogg_controversy&diff=309944097&oldid=309236912 my edit] in order to quell the misconception that the OGG standard was REQUIRED when it was merely SUGGESTED. NOTE: if you wish to see a really good example of how good proprietary formats are at restricting the flow of information, simply load up a standard [[Debian]] Linux and use [[Iceweasel]] to web browse. Then, visit some pages such as [[YouTube]], [[MSNBC]], etc., and then navigate to their media sections. You will notice that very little, if any, of their media will be viewable in your browser. Lots of people do not know how to install software and browser plugins. Having a universally accepted media player, even if it is not the highest standard, is much better than being denied access to media for lack of an acceptable media player or EULA. [[Special:Contributions/97.126.100.51|97.126.100.51]] ([[User talk:97.126.100.51|talk]]) 09:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:While discussion of changes you make to articles are welcome, please see [[WP:Soapbox]] and [[WP:Talk pages]]. Talk pages are for discussing ways to improve the article. Your ideas on the evils of robber barons or EULAs or whatever are not appropriate for talk pages [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 22:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
== Safari browser supports HTML5 ogg video? ==
I think Safari 4 supports the HTML5 video tag, to play ogg video, am I correct? I did not get very good sources, but I got [http://blog.gingertech.net/2009/06/10/sites-with-ogg-in-html5-video-tag/ this]. I am planning to add this info, anyone got anything to say? --[[User:SF007|SF007]] ([[User talk:SF007|talk]]) 16:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Well, not natively. It requires the Xiph Quicktime plugin. Probably still worth mentioning. [[Special:Contributions/65.65.71.253|65.65.71.253]] ([[User talk:65.65.71.253|talk]]) 21:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
== Remove "External links" section ==
Can we please remove the "External links" section? Only one of the links is up and active. One is broken, and one leads to a "this site is down" page. --[[User:TonyV|TonyV]] ([[User talk:TonyV|talk]]) 02:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
== Motivation has virtually no references ==
The section entitled "Motivation" reads as original research (or opinion) and offers only one reference, that being to a demo of the Ogg format being referenced in a <video> element. I submit it really needs help or removal.
[[User:Alphaman|Alphaman]] ([[User talk:Alphaman|talk]]) 00:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
== Ogg hosting website ==
With only Dailymotion listed, the list seems to forget about a few sites:
such as, the internet archive.
example: [http://www.archive.org/details/Abandonedhorrorcolor]
When it's opened in Firefox (version 3.6), I get the following text under the preview and embed this:
<blockquote>
Your browser supports the new <video> tag!
Would you like to try the new <video> tag?
</blockquote>
There must be other sites as well experimenting with the video tag?
Most will work with a fall back of course but anyway, support is support.
Or should we have a special section where it says: sites experimenting with HTML5 video tag?
<br />--[[User:Thelennonorth|Thelennonorth]] ([[User talk:Thelennonorth|talk]]) 13:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
==Merge==
The format war of HTML5 is a heated debate. No surprise the neutrality of this article is disputed when it is only about Ogg formats. I think we should merge this article and "HTML5 video" into "HTML5 multimedia" (a discussion of video without audio would be incomplete anyway, so call it multimedia and cover audio too). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/129.241.30.66|129.241.30.66]] ([[User talk:129.241.30.66|talk]]) 01:10, 21 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:In 2018 this certainly seems more of a historical footnote than deserving of it's own entire article. [[Special:Contributions/24.69.102.125|24.69.102.125]] ([[User talk:24.69.102.125|talk]]) 06:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
:I agree as well. I believe the contents of this page would be better suited in either the [[Ogg]] or [[HTML5 video]] article. [[User:RampantLeaf|RampantLeaf]] ([[User talk:RampantLeaf|talk]]) 01:38, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
:With both Chrome and Firefox planning to remove Theora playback from their browsers, it is even more historical so should be put in perspective somewhere as a failed proposal. [[User:Ponyguy|Ponyguy]] ([[User talk:Ponyguy|talk]]) 15:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
== Adoption section ==
The adoption section is about 9 years out of date and doesn't reflect the current state of HTML5/Ogg video. [[User:RampantLeaf|RampantLeaf]] ([[User talk:RampantLeaf|talk]]) 01:35, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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