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==Some info regarding the eligibility for the test==

Hey everybody I just wanted to know if both graduate and postgraduate students have to appear for the test. I also suggest it should be added to the main article. Thank you. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/59.96.99.192|59.96.99.192]] ([[User talk:59.96.99.192|talk]]) osigned by SineBot--></small>

== Info wanted ==

Can anyone let me know the total number of candidates who take this test in India? And (I know this is a stretch) the total number originating from East India in particular?

Many thanks

[[User:Tobyg|Tobyg]] 17:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Interesting ==

If this is indeed true, I suggest you write to the IELTS administrative office.

How can I get admission there? [[User:Md Mim Akhtar|Md Mim Akhtar]] ([[User talk:Md Mim Akhtar|talk]]) 16:44, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== Axe to grind? ==

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Is anyone aware of how I can get information about IELTS and IELTS testing centers in a range of countries, like China, Indonesia, Russia, etc.?

== ExternalMake linka discussioncontroversy section ==

[[User:Nsimmi]] recently added ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IELTS&curid=347577&diff=103305270&oldid=102720425 diff]) the following link with the suggestion that it had already been approved as not violating [[WP:EL]]:

*[http://www.aippg.com/ielts IELTS strategies]

Rather than simply deleting it, I have moved it here for further discussion since the links on this page have been rather controversial (and in my opinion, tending towards the spammy.)

I believe the site is inappropriate to link and in violation of [[WP:EL]] because:

# It contains no important additional information beyond what is already included in the article. (That is to say, it is not encyclopedic.)

# It contains a large amount of advertising.

# The main content on the page appears to be links to forum discussions. Linking to forums is discouraged in [[WP:EL]] for a variety of reasons which I believe apply here. The information cannot be verified [[WP:V]] and in general they cannot be taken as a reliable source of knowledge [[WP:RS]].

Feel free to discuss below, but please do not link the site again before consensus is reached to do so. Thanks. [[User:Nposs|Nposs]] 04:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I would believe

Ignore the advertising and the forum pages and visualise the page as it could be

1) Tips and how to deal with IELTS (two versions for each section)

2) Downloads which are helpful in my opinion (though in pdf format)

3) Some recommended books

I would be happy with any senior editors guidance..

[[User:Nsimmi|Nsimmi]] 13:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Nsimmi

[[User:Nsimmi|Nsimmi]]

===Link propositions===

I propose this link, I think it is very helpfull.

[http://www.shef.ac.uk/eltc/useful/toefl_ielts.html TOEFL vs IELTS ]

--[[User:gengiskanhg|GengisKanhg]] ([[User talk:Gengiskanhg|my talk]]) 22:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to propose this link:

[http://www.activeielts.com]

It's my site, yes, but it's all free and there's loads of reference material. It's been used by candidates all over the world. What do you think?

[[User:Biff Mackenzie|Biff Mackenzie]] ([[User talk:Biff Mackenzie|talk]]) 21:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I have checked the proposed website and found it useful, it offers good selection of practice tasks. I would like to propose another website (yes, it's mine, but also free) mainly because of the preparation tips and detailed explanations about how IELTS grading works - that is especially useful and I had a lot of positive feedback from students. Another very popular feature of IELTS-Blog is essay samples collection.

*[http://www.ielts-blog.com/ IELTS-Blog - exam tips]

[[User:Ielts-blog|Ielts-blog]] ([[User talk:Ielts-blog|talk]]) 02:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

:Hi. Thanks for submitting your website here for consideration. Unfortunately, it does not meet the requirements in the [[WP:EL|External Links]] policy. It is a blog and a commercial website trying to sell people study books and training programs. It is also designed to help people pass the exam, rather than simply expanding on the type of information in the article (i.e. what the exam is). It meets items 4, 5, 11 and 13 in [[WP:LINKSTOAVOID|links to be avoided]], so does not belong in the article. Regards, [[User:Somno|Somno]] ([[User talk:Somno|talk]]) 02:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Both ielts-blog.com and ielts-exam.net (proposed by Nsimmi) are commercial. They are full of google ads and tell us nothing more about what the exam is. Including them would be like including links to buy commercial textbooks. I would recommend that wikipedia should only link to the official ielts website (ielts.org) and the British Council site. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.113.168.163|217.113.168.163]] ([[User talk:217.113.168.163|talk]]) 10:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*[http://www.ieltscalculator.com IELTS score calculator]

This IELTS calculator is useful not an advertisement, and it is free. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/144.131.203.52|144.131.203.52]] ([[User talk:144.131.203.52|talk]]) 10:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Pronunciation ==

I thought IELTS should be pronounced as /'ielts/, but

I heard the most teachers and students spoke /'aielts/ instead.

And they stated that this pronunciation is only right.

Is anywhere a good source that shows actual pronunciation of the word?

[[User:Sagqs|Sagqs]] 06:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== External link discussion ==

Could you please verify, whether the following site is eligible to be placed in external links section:

*[http://www.ielts-exam.net/ IELTS exam preparation]

Regards <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/62.220.120.179|62.220.120.179]] ([[User talk:62.220.120.179|talk]]) 12:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I would say that it does not pass the external link guidelines (although that isn't to say it isn't a fine and useful website it its own right). This is an article about IELTS. External links should lead to encyclopedic resources that expand upon the subject. Practice tests and tips do not fall into this category. Keep in mind Wikipedia is not a directory of useful websites: [[WP:NOT]]. [[User:Nposs|Nposs]] 13:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this site is not appropriate for wikipedia. It can be a useful resource for students, but they will easily find it on google anyway. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/217.113.168.163|217.113.168.163]] ([[User talk:217.113.168.163|talk]]) 11:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Sources ==

The author(s) of this article cites no sources. With a statement like "...the IELTS is considered more authoritative than TOEFL..." it would be interesting to know from where the author derives the information. The author(s) offers other questionable statements of fact. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.22.153.106|75.22.153.106]] ([[User talk:75.22.153.106|talk]]) 10:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

will IELTS expire after you pass the test? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.150.191.2|216.150.191.2]] ([[User talk:216.150.191.2|talk]]) 04:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Oh... I want to know about ielts more. [[User:Md Mim Akhtar|Md Mim Akhtar]] ([[User talk:Md Mim Akhtar|talk]]) 16:43, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

== The form of the test ==

Well, first of all I didn't get it - what does the test look like?

Is it paper based, computer based or internet based as TOEFL for example?

As for links I really think that some of them can actually be useful. Most people come on this page to understand what the test looks like and some samples might come in handy. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ilya-42|Ilya-42]] ([[User talk:Ilya-42|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ilya-42|contribs]]) 17:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Logo with slogan ==

I see that [http://www.ielts.org/default.aspx IELTS's main page] diplays its logo without the slogan "The test that sets the standard". Does the official logo contain the slogan? ---[[User:Sluzzelin|Sluzzelin]] [[User talk:Sluzzelin|<small>talk</small>]] 02:24, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

No, the logo doesn't contain the slogan "The test that sets the standard" or the three circle device. Additionally, the logo no longer includes the strapline (see ielts.org). I don't have the authority to upload files, however, the current logo is the one on the ielts.org page. [[User:Webcontentcheck|Webcontentcheck]] ([[User talk:Webcontentcheck|talk]]) 22:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Logo image replaced with current image, thanks to ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) [[User:Webcontentcheck|Webcontentcheck]] ([[User talk:Webcontentcheck|talk]]) 04:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

:(Belated) thanks! ---[[User:Sluzzelin|Sluzzelin]] [[User talk:Sluzzelin|<small>talk</small>]] 12:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Scores for Naitive born english speakers ==

I would be very interested to know if this test was given on a regular basis to native/natural born English speakers, to judge/compare to the second language students, & what the average score where for those living in an English speaking country their whole life. I would bet (heavily) that if this test where given randomly to 10,000 American adults between 25-70, more then 30% would not meet the minimum score for the colleges/universities who accept it. (The IELTS minimum scores required by academic institutions vary. As a general rule, institutions from English-speaking countries require a higher IELTS band.) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.211.71.137|98.211.71.137]] ([[User talk:98.211.71.137|talk]]) 05:08, 8 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: The IELTS publishes statistics based on "country of origin" and on the native language, here: http://www.ielts.org/researchers/analysis_of_test_data/test_taker_performance_2009.aspx

: Generally, "native born English speakers" would very rarely need to take the academic test (as the universities usually won't require scores from someone who's education is from an English-speaking country), but they sometimes do need to take the general test, because the Australian Ministry of Immigration now requires ''everyone'' to take it to get the top points for English. Not surprisingly, the IELTS stats put the applicants with UK as the country of origin far at the top of the table:

Mean band score for the most frequent countries or regions of origin (General Training)

GeneralTraining Listening Reading Writing Speaking Overall

United Kingdom 8.10 7.69 7.93 8.80 8.20

: the next 3 countries are South Africa, Singapore (both countries where English is widely spoken) and Zimbabwe (all those white farmers, I reckon...):

South Africa 7.42 6.98 7.24 8.37 7.56

Singapore 7.60 7.18 6.94 7.46 7.36

Zimbabwe 6.87 6.48 7.01 7.72 7.09

:In the same document, there is also a table classifying test takers by (self-reported) native language. The scores for them as a group, even though still close to the top of the table, were quite a bit lower than for "people from the UK", presumably because the group also included various English-speaking people from Caribbean, India, parts of Africa... where the local variety of English, even if natively spoken, may be rather distinct from what the test designers expect. -- [[User:Vmenkov|Vmenkov]] ([[User talk:Vmenkov|talk]]) 22:52, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

== About the section arrangements ==

The lead section is understandable, but it is too long. It should be just the key point of this article, for instance, what is the IELTS exam and who established it. However, the editor seems giving a full background information about this test. It will be better if they could move most of the paragraphs to a subsequent section. Another problem is that the topics are not balanced well. Under the section of ‘IELTS level required by academic institutions for admission’, they list 14 countries and give the information of IELTS requirements of the institutions in these countries. It does not appear to be necessary to list all these countries, different institutions in different countries will have different requirements. Moreover, this list is not really comprehensive which will give the reader a misunderstanding that only the institution in these countries require a IELTS score. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Imoe 5|Imoe 5]] ([[User talk:Imoe 5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Imoe 5|contribs]]) 23:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== One of two? ==

The article says iETLS is one of two major tests.... On what basis? If it is based on number of takers (the only objective basis that comes readily to mind), then it seems to be in error. ETS, the makers of the other test mentioned (TOEFL), makes TOEIC, which ETS says:

PDF]TOEIC User Guide (PDF) - ETS

www.ets.org/Media/...of.../TOEIC_User_Gd.pdf

the TOEIC test and more than 5 million people take the test every year. ... in education for all people worldwide. We help .... frequently and in as many ways as possible if it has been ..... years and is updated every May and made available on. [[User:Kdammers|Kdammers]] ([[User talk:Kdammers|talk]]) 14:50, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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== IELTS Test Structure - Reading section last sentence ==

It should be revised - it is not backed up any more by the cross-reference given. [[User:Cgomez1121|Cgomez1121]] ([[User talk:Cgomez1121|talk]]) 08:01, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Mistake, sorry: Listening section last sentence, instead of "Reading section last sentence". [[User:Cgomez1121|Cgomez1121]] ([[User talk:Cgomez1121|talk]]) 08:08, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I am wrong: it is backed up. Though, I found it ambiguous. [[User:Cgomez1121|Cgomez1121]] ([[User talk:Cgomez1121|talk]]) 08:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

IeLTS has been widely criticised as being a racist money-sucking neo-colonialist test. Too lazy to find reliable sources for now which is why I'm leaving this here. It is not a test for "non-native" english speakers, whatever that even means, it is a test for people from non-english speaking countries (defined by the whites arbitrarily, only recognizing [[varieties of English|varieties of english]] as "proper" when spoken by people that look like them). Several countries they consider mandatory to take the test already uses english as a main lingua franca, teaches in english for many years of education, and whose people have been shoved down their throats the language since childhood.

"It is ambiguous now for me", rather than "I found it ambiguous" [[User:Cgomez1121|Cgomez1121]] ([[User talk:Cgomez1121|talk]]) 08:56, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

The 2 year expiration date is a deliberate strategy to leech off the Global South for more money. Do you think someone forgets how to speak english in 2 years in such an anglocentric globalized world? US$250 is ALOT for most people in the world. Fuck england. [[User:Jiaminglimjm|Jiaminglimjm]] ([[User talk:Jiaminglimjm|talk]]) 10:26, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

== Section IELTS Test Structure - Reading - First paragraph - Last sentence ==

== Columbia University 8.5 Band score requirement? ==

Please back up it by any cross-reference. If there are not, remove it because it may be wrong now. [[User:Cgomez1121|Cgomez1121]] ([[User talk:Cgomez1121|talk]]) 08:05, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I remember reading about Columbia University’s 8.5 band score requirement for, I believe, Journalism school, in around March 2023. I don’t see it now, and I don’t see it in the page edits. The citation source is also not working. Can anyone clarify? [[Special:Contributions/196.129.58.22|196.129.58.22]] ([[User talk:196.129.58.22|talk]]) 14:57, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't need yet any cross-reference. I found the sentence at the moment ambiguous. [[User:Cgomez1121|Cgomez1121]] ([[User talk:Cgomez1121|talk]]) 08:50, 10 April 2019 (UTC)