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'''Article(s):''' [[County Road 492 (Marquette County, Michigan)]], [[Road surface marking]], etc
'''Request:''' I had previously obtained [[:File:M-15 centerline 1917.jpg|a photo]] of this first highway centerline from the Michigan Department of Transportation photo archives, but I have since located a different photo from the Federal Highway Administration archives that I think is better. I would like to see the photo improved for an attempt to nominate it at [[WP:FPC]]. Note, I have the original 8 MB TIFF file from FHWA that I can e-mail to anyone; just contact me through the e-mail this user link. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''
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Upload the tif to commons and link to it from [[:File:Thefirstruralhighwaycenterline.png]]. That way it's available forever and to anyone who wants to work with it. Or, provide a link here to the file you found and someone else will upload it to commons. [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 01:52, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:Well, first the Upload Wizard didn't like the file. Now neither Commons nor Wikipedia will upload it without an error message. The file was e-mailed directly to me from FHWA, so if I can't upload it somehow, I'd have to share it by e-mail. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<
::Try converting it to PNG. Most any graphics editor can do that. Then try uploading. Personally, I find [http://www.irfanview.com/ IrfanView] handy to have around and it will convert any image type into almost any other image type. [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 02:49, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::The PNG created from the TIFF is ↑ above already. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<
::::I would imagine your 8MB TIF is of higher resolution than the rather small PNG above. Just save the TIF as a PNG without resizing it or altering it in any way. Then upload. [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 03:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Which is exactly what I did. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<
::::::An uncompressed TIF of that size would be less than 1MB. You said your TIF was 8MB. Somewhere you misplaced 7MB. Further, a TIF original from a US govt source is almost never so small as the image above. So if the above PNG is, as you say, a direct copy of the TIF file the FHWA sent you, then there is no need to forward that TIF to anyone and your hopes for a Featured Picture are over. End of story. However, what I would do if I were you is.... stop, back up and start over. Open the TIF in a graphics editor and save it as a PNG. Make sure you are not resizing it. If you figure you've already done this, then do it again. A PNG from an uncompressed 8MB TIF should be an image significantly larger than 796 x 784. From a compressed TIF even larger. [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 23:28, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks for the ''kind'' words, however, the FHWA-sent TIF is the source for the PNG that was created by GraphicConverter as displayed above, and I did not select any options to resize it, since Preview says that the file is a 796 x 784 pixel, 100 dpi, 8.8 MB, 16-bit color depth, uncompressed TIFF. Now, it is my assumption that something in the encoding is such that the servers on Commons/Wikipedia and Flickr can't decode it, and therefore reject the file, or I would have uploaded by now. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<
::::::::<sigh> Here's a little more kindness... stop arguing with me, back up, start over, re-read what I said and upload either the TIF or a direct PNG conversion. If and until you get that done we're simply wasting time. If you figure I'm just an unkind and unhelpful dolt who is determined to give you a hard time, then that's OK too. I'm good either way. [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 00:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::Fact 1: I have attempted three times to upload the TIFF, and MediaWiki gives me error messages each time. Fact 2: I attempted to upload the same TIFF to my Flickr account, thinking that if I did that successfully , I could get it transferred to Commons; that attempt failed with another error message. Fact 3: The PNG is a direct conversion from the TIFF without any resizing, resampling or alteration. Fact 4: since the TIF was uploaded, it has been edited by a third-party. Now, if you want, I will willingly forward the e-mail from FHWA with the attachments, as I stated at the beginning, but because of server issues, I can't upload it. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<
{{outdent}}I have made a fourth and fifth attempt to upload the TIFF to Commons. Using the Upload Wizard, I got a message that just said "upload failed". Using the old upload form, I get the error message screen that pops up whenever the servers are down ("Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes."). At the bottom, it says: "If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.18/extensions/PagedTiffHandler/PagedTiffHandler.image.php line 211: Allowed memory size of 125829120 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 24158230 bytes)". This is very frustrating to me because the file opens fine in Adobe Photoshop (CS4), GraphicConverter (5.0.2), Apple Preview (5.0.3), yet Commons and Flickr give me error messages. The original PNG version (remember, it's been edited since I uploaded it) was created from the TIFF by opening it in GraphicConverter and saving it as PNG without any resampling, no resizing, no interlacing, no filtering, nothing. That resulted in a file on my computer that reads as 1.2MB, but on upload here showed as 720KB. I don't know what Quibik did, but his edit summary was "Removed some wave patterns in lighter areas." and resulted in a file of 348KB. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;" >'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<
:So, since you have already uploaded a direct PNG conversion of the TIF file, what would you like us to do with it? [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 01:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
::Imzadi, perhaps you could try 16-bit > 8-bit conversion. Open the original file with Photoshop. First go to Edit > Image size.. Make sure the drop-down menu reads 'pixels', not 'percent' or anything else. Does the size now read 796 or is it larger, as Jbarta suggested? I only ask because I suspect that you may have been mistaking preview/save parameters as original image parameters. Anyway, cancel that (don't resize). Now go to Edit > Mode > 8-bit, then File > Save As.. Select TIF from the lower drop-down box. Name the file (so as not to overwrite the original). Click Save. You will be asked about compression, select 'None'. That's it! The finished filesize should be ~4Mb (half the original), however there is a difference between 'filesize' and 'size on disk' (the latter being larger). Any joy? Regards, [[User:Nagualdesign|nagualdesign]] ([[User talk:Nagualdesign|talk]]) 09:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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:Thanks! That looks very nice! [[Special:Contributions/67.6.163.68|67.6.163.68]] ([[User talk:67.6.163.68|talk]]) 08:50, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
== Signature ==
{{resolved|1=<i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger|
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File:Signature Pedro II.png|Signature of Emperor [[Pedro II of Brazil]] {{Done}}
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File:Poomaikelani (PP-98-18.012).jpg|Could someone please make this image more proportionate; it's stretched out a bit. Check [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1tQmbiDino 2:50 on this youtube video] and the gallery of similiar images on the image description for the right proportions. Please DON'T crop, clean or do anything else on the first upload, just straighten it.-- [[User:KAVEBEAR|KAVEBEAR]] ([[User talk:KAVEBEAR|talk]]) 01:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
File:Likelike, photograph by Menzies Dickson (PP-98-9-017).jpg
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== Small request ==
{{resolved|1=<i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger|
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'''Article(s):''' 50 articles including [[Russian Orbital Segment]]
'''Request:''' Can two straight lines be added to the new image, just pointers of any kind you like, the original image will show the way they go. I can figure out gimp atm. <span style="text-shadow:#c5C3e3 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em;">[[User:Penyulap|<span style="color:#002100;">'''Penyulap'''</span>]]</span><sub>[[User talk:Penyulap|<span style="color:#07AA07;">''' talk'''</span>]]</sub> 07:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):'''{{Done}} [[User:Centpacrr|Centpacrr]] ([[User talk:Centpacrr|talk]]) 01:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
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'''Request:''' If possible, please remove the strange pattern/texture all over Barrow's hat, face and body. Thanks. <span style="background:#03298a;color:Cyan;padding:2px 5px;">[[User:Delaywaves|<span style="color:white;font-variant:Small-caps;">'''''Delaywaves'''''</span>]] • [[User talk:Delaywaves|<span style="color:Lime;font-size:80%;">talk</span>]]</span> 23:52, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion(s):''' I'd say there isn't really much that could be done to improve the image's quality. There is just too much lost information to recover, any work would require a vast amount of time resulting in a heavily manipulated image, unfortunately on this one I'm afraid there isn't much that can be done. Regards, <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">[[User:Fallschirmjäger|<b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b>]]<b style="color:#701"></b></i>[[User talk:Fallschirmjäger|
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'''Article(s):''' [[Silver Reef, Utah]]; [[Pine Valley Mountain Wilderness]]
'''Request:''' Could someone do some general cleanup on this image? A few editors and I are working on bringing [[Silver Reef, Utah]] to Featured status, and it would help if this image was cleaned up a bit. Thanks, [[User:The Utahraptor|<
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What sort of "general cleanup" did you have in mind? [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 21:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:I don't know much about editing photos, so I don't know how to describe what I want done. The best I can do is say "make it so it's not as blurry." [[User:The Utahraptor|<
:[[User:Dank|Dank]] was the one that suggested I bring the image here, so you could ask him. [[User:The Utahraptor|<
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