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::::::{{ping|BrownHairedGirl|Pppery}} I agree that sandbox4 is the best. Thanks so much --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 18:27, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
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{{XFD backlog|right}}
{{ping|BrownHairedGirl|Pppery|DannyS712}} I'm not sure what was the result of the discussion above, but the current version of the template (to the right) does not include 19 articles from [[:Category:AfD debates (Media and music)]] in the AfD count, for example. At least [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle Girl|one discussion]] started on 22nd of June, and is still open. —[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 18:46, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
: {{ping|Andrybak}} This template, by design, only includes discussions that have been open for more than seven days and thus should be closed by an uninvolved admin. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 18:49, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
:: Does [[Special:Diff/903279157|this clarification]] help? —[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 18:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Fine by me. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 19:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
== Template-protected edit request on 1 May 2019 ==
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::Awesome ... since the problem is clear, but I just don't know how to Lua. But, that may change by the end of this year. ☺️ [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Steel1943|DannyS712}} If you're trying to add FfD, the bigger problem is that the bot doesn't create [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/Old unclosed discussions]]. I could write code to handle the lack of the "/Log" fairly easily, but {{u|Anomie}} would need to make his bot create the /Old unclosed discussions subpage first. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">the end</sub>]] 21:10, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Pppery}} why would you need /Old unclosed discussions? you can retrieve the count of unclosed discussions by parsing [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion#Old discussions]] --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 21:13, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|DannyS712}} Because I don't want to right any more special-case code than I have to. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">the end</sub>]] 21:14, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Pppery}} Well, I'd like to try writing it - given that there are only 6 "cases" total (A/M/R/T/C/F xd), I don't think its a big deal to have different code for ffd. Since it doesn't have backlogs like cfd and tfd do, it only needs a "total" count. --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 21:18, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|DannyS712}} At one point, [[WP:FFD]] had a 6-month backlog, so just providing a "total" may not be sufficient, especially if the administrators moderating FfD at this time go on to other tasks. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 21:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::::Let me see what I can do with just a total, and then try to add that --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 21:22, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::: {{ec}} {{ping|DannyS712}} FFD [[Special:Permalink/757489873|has had huge backlogs]] in the past. There's no reason to expect the backlog not to grow again. It makes much more sense to me to incorporate FfD into the main framework of the module, given that it is easily incorporable into the framework of the module, then to have to write special-case code for everything; that's why I wrote this module to begin with. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">the end</sub>]] 21:24, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
:::: If consensus at [[WT:FFD]] is in favor of [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/Old unclosed discussions]], that could be done easily enough. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 21:25, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
Discussion transcluded to [[Wikipedia talk:Files for discussion]]. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">the end</sub>]] 21:32, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
*{{Ping|Pppery|DannyS712|Anomie}} In lieu of any discussion after over a month, I'd say this request is uncontroversial. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #2F4F4F;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
** {{Ping|Pppery|DannyS712|Steel1943}} [[Wikipedia:Files for discussion/Old unclosed discussions]] is now being created. Please update [[WP:FFD]] appropriately since that is no longer being updated. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 23:04, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
*** OK, I've updated FFD (and also boldly reformatted the page in a separate edit) [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 23:42, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
== Section edit links ==
The lack of section edit links in transcluded discussions is causing problems for [[WP:XFDC|XFDcloser]], see [[WT:XFDC#On Wikipedia:Files for discussion...]]. It also makes finding and editing these discussions a bit less convenient. I've added code to the module sandbox that will find the section number and add an edit link for each transcluded discussion. Testing in edit preview mode of [[WP:FFD#Old discussions]] and [[WP:TFD#Old discussions]] shows only a slight increase in Lua time/memory usage. Is there any objection to adding these edit links, or any thoughts on how they should be styled? - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u> <span style="font-size:95%;">[[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 01:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
{{block indent|em=1.6|<small>Notified: [[Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion]], [[Wikipedia talk:Files for discussion]]. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 02:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)</small>}}<!-- Template:Notified -->
:That would be great! A small but useful convenience that I would gladly pay a small Lua time penalty for. ‑‑[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 12:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
::{{Done}} - <u>'''[[User:Evad37|Evad]]''37'''''</u> <span style="font-size:95%;">[[[d:w:User talk:Evad37|talk]]]</span> 02:22, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
== Empty columns ==
With regard to edits like these: [[Special:Diff/982967202]], [[Special:Diff/981216068]]. Should we automate this through a module, which checks the sum in columns? —[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 14:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
: The solution to this is to not have 4-month-backlogged deletion discussion venues. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 14:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
== Inclusion of RfD ==
{{ping|Tavix}} unless and until the actual RFD values can be included, I don't believe that an empty row should be shown. Would you please revert your edit pending discussion and consensus regarding such inclusion? I'm not going to revert myself since it would be an abuse of template editor rights, though I guess the guidance at [[Wikipedia:Template editor]] doesn't apply to admins? --[[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 05:23, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
::It is certainly useful to include RfD given that all other XfD fora are also shown, even if there are currently blank values. I agree that a more-perfect solution would be to have the actual values in place, but having that blank space would help to encourage development of the module to include RfD if someone who is technically capable would be so inclined. In the meantime, a convenient link to RfD is in place so someone who is curious about the backlog there can check to see what it looks like for themselves, and a fuller picture of the actual XfD backlog can be realized. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 05:33, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
:I find it really ugly to have a blank row, but it really should be added when it actually works. The guy to ask here is probably {{u|Anomie}} since the module requires [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Old unclosed discussions]] to exist which is handled by their bot for the other venues. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 23:37, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
:It seems pretty weird to have RfD missing. It needn't be totally blank if there's no backlog; have it do "n/a" or something. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 21:27, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
::It isn't that there's no backlog at RfD but that we can't know if there's a backlog using a template. Before RfD can be added in a meaningful way AnomieBOT has to generate [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Old unclosed discussions]] which I'm guessing would require some additional work due to a different formatting of discussion pages. --[[User:Trialpears|Trialpears]] ([[User talk:Trialpears|talk]]) 10:07, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
::: 15 months later, I finally got around to adding RfD (with proper numbers) to this template. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 01:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
== Template-protected edit request on 6 November 2022 ==
{{edit template-protected|Template:XFD backlog|answered=yes}}
{{t|XFD backlog}}'s RfD link trolled me by linking to a section that didn't exist, so I'm requesting that the TOC is linked instead:
<code><nowiki>| [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#{{#time:F j|-8 days}}|{{#invoke:XfD old/AfD and MfD|rfd|month=total}}]]</nowiki></code>
<code><nowiki>| [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#toc|{{#invoke:XfD old/AfD and MfD|rfd|month=total}}]]</nowiki></code>
[[User:RAN1|RAN1]] ([[User talk:RAN1|talk]]) 03:44, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
: {{done}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 04:26, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
:@[[User:RAN1|RAN1]], @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]], this misses the point of that link, which is to take you to the backlog. We already have a link to the top of the page at the left of the table. If you really think it's not generally useful for RFD to link to its backlog, just remove the link instead. Personally, I think it's fine if it's not perfect every once in a while. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:42, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:Izno|Izno]], @[[User:Pppery|Pppery]]: I've been thinking about this, and I put together a version at [[Module:XfD old/AfD and MfD/sandbox|the sandbox]] which returns a link to the section for the last backlogged discussion (prototype at [[Template:XFD backlog/sandbox]]). I'm also bringing this up at [[WP:VPT]] for comment. Let me know what you think. [[User:RAN1|RAN1]] ([[User talk:RAN1|talk]]) 21:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::: I'm not convinced it's worth adding more complicated code to handle this scenario and prefer either the status quo ante or the original suggestion with no opinion which. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 23:56, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
::::The current default skin Vector 2022 has no toc anchor so I have reverted per [[Special:PermanentLink/1277048396#XFD backlog template issue]].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:XFD_backlog&diff=prev&oldid=1277048525] [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 09:52, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
== Bug at Old discussions at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion ==
There is a bug with the May 25 Old discussions at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion]]. The first item in the listed templates isn't bulleted like the rest. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 05:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
: {{fixed}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 14:07, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
== TFD level 5 heading bug ==
[[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 June 23#Template:WIR]] is a level 4 heading, and it got really big so a level 5 heading called "Break" was added to it. Before I closed it, this module was listing "Break" as an un-closed discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Old discussions]]. It was cutting off and not showing Template:WIR at all. Might be worth fixing. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 18:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
: Not this module's fault. It reads from [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions]], which is generated by AnomieBOT. Cc {{u|Anomie}} [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 18:23, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
:: And for the record it is including the original discussion, including the break, as well as a second unclosed discussion. Anyway there's nothing else I can do here. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 18:27, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
::: On occasion people doing mass nominations have used level-5 headings for the actual nominations, grouped under a level-4 heading. Is that something that the bot should continue to support? [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 19:50, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
== Template-protected edit request on 22 February 2025 ==
{{edit template-protected|Template:XFD backlog|answered=yes}}
The "total" value for the RfD row links to the section "toc", which is not present on the article ([[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#toc]]). Either change the section link to #Current list or other solution that I'm unaware of. [[User:HKLionel|HKLionel]] ([[User talk:HKLionel|talk]]) 06:20, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:That's not a section, but rather an [[WP:ANCH|anchor]]. This particular anchor is automatically generated by the table of contents, as described at {{slink|Help:Link#Table row linking}}. Are you experiencing some problem with the link? [[User:Jlwoodwa|jlwoodwa]] ([[User talk:Jlwoodwa|talk]]) 07:05, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
::Then yes, when I click on it, nothing happens apart from a pop-up message on the top right of the page: "This topic could not be found. It might have been deleted, moved or renamed." I am using Google Chrome on desktop. Is it different for you? [[User:HKLionel|HKLionel]] ([[User talk:HKLionel|talk]]) 07:14, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
:::The link brings me to the table of contents, partway down the page, just as with a section link. I don't get an error popup. Maybe someone at [[WP:VPT]] would know what's going on. [[User:Jlwoodwa|jlwoodwa]] ([[User talk:Jlwoodwa|talk]]) 07:20, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
::::Alright, I'll ask there. Cheers. [[User:HKLionel|HKLionel]] ([[User talk:HKLionel|talk]]) 07:56, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
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