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== 2-hour Finale ==
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::It's a two-hour finale. I don't have any sources but I've seen the commercials. They'l;l only play the heroes logo once, so its only one episode. [[User:Redraf|Redraf]] 01:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I haven't found *anything* to suggest that the finale will be a two-hour episode. (In fact, ''Law and Order: Criminal Intent'' is scheduled to take over the 10 PM timeslot from ''Wedding Crashers'' on May 14th and 21st.) --'''[[User:Ckatz|Ckatz]]'''''<small
::::The MediaWeek link states that "How To..." is 1 hour, but my local TV Guide says 2 hours and has it blocked for 2, while the Austin TV Guide says 1 hour and blocked for one (with L&O right after, as you've described). I suspect there was some sort of mix-up in their decision to describe the finale as being a 'three part finale'. [[User:Nb41|Nb41]] 17:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
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It seems pretty obvious that we're intended to think Sylar can survive lethal wounds in the way that Mohinder describes cockroaches surviving lethal wounds in the first episode. Unfortunately, this could still be called speculation and so it probably doesn't belong in the article yet.[[User:65.40.35.52|65.40.35.52]] 14:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
So is Slyar like a cockroach? [[User:Temari of Wind13|Temari of Wind13]] 00:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Sylar is like a cockroach - you can't really kill him. He fell from the top of the school with Peter and lived, when Peter died; He was shot at the Bennett house, and lived; he was stabbed in the season finale, and lived long enough to go into the sewer (we don't know if he died from his wounds). All characteristics of trying to kill a cockroach - they are very, very hard to kill. [[User:NasDestiny|NasDestiny]] 15:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
==Hiro's final Line==
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== Bloopers ==
Some articles contain some kind of "Bloopers" or "Errors" section. Here is one I saw while watching this episode:
* ''(Penultimate scene, in the square in New York City)'' Peter tells Claire to shoot him in order to stop his impending explosion. Claire says, "Tell me there is another way." Peter says that there is not. Nathan then swoops in out of the sky and tells Claire "
:: It might be incidental, calling back to their conversation in the office (Future not written in stone, etc). It won't work with the article, as we're not adding trivia sections to these articles anymore, but it's an interesting point. [[User:Ultraexactzz|ZZ]] 14:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Even if it was notable, it would probably be original research without proper sourcing. [[User:Dposse|dposse]] 15:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Perhaps it was coincidental. Nathan could have seen Claire holding up the gun to Peter from a distance, flown in, and said "There's another way." [[User:camknows|camknows]] 22 May 2007
::::Except that, on second viewing, Nathan says "Yes, there is, Claire," indicating rather unambiguously that he was part of the conversation. So it's a blooper. — [[User:Loadmaster|Loadmaster]] 00:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Not quite. A blooper is something that comes out that us (the audience) picks up that the director overlooked in the final editing. A blooper may be something like seeing a clock on the wall, and when it turns back to teh character, the time is 3 hours ahead all the sudden (continuity error). In this case, Nathan's words, while highily unlikely that he heard the earlier conversation before arriving, were meant to happen. His words were chosen and acted by the director to be part of the plot, and to drive the story, build character relations, and to have a classic "come at teh last minute to save the day" cliché that you see in so many other films. If it was meant to happen by the director, then it is not a blooper, no matter how impossible it may seem to happen in real life. Remember that this show is FICTION...which means that sometimes FICTIONOUS plot twists and events happen. :) imrumpf [[User:206.191.69.149|206.191.69.149]] 12:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Actually this thread is misnamed. See "[[Blooper]]" and "[[Continuity_(fiction)#Continuity_errors|Continuity error]]". --[[User:ToobMug|ToobMug]] 14:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Ooh! Ooh! I know! Sylar crawled away, killed Candice, killed Nathan, disguised himself as Nathan, projected a Sylar corpse onto the ground, and used his superhuman hearing. It's so obvious! It's consistent with [[Five Years Gone]] and everything. --[[User:ToobMug|ToobMug]] 14:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
== a question ==
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:At this time (prior to the start of the second season), it's speculation that both Peter and Nathan are dead. We saw an explosion, which was pretty obviously Peter blowing up, but we did not see if he survived (due to his regeneration ability), nor if Nathan got away safely before Peter blew up. It's ''implied'' by the scene that they both died, but that ''might'' not be the case. — [[User:Loadmaster|Loadmaster]] 21:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Implied? I think its pretty clear that at least Peter was supposed to survive, given that Claire's grandmother blatantly stated that "Peter will survive". This explains her lack of reluctance in letting her son explode. ([[User:Jackmjenkins|Jackmjenkins]] 17:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC))
:::It almost seems a given, because when Hiro traveled to the future and met post-apocalyptic Peter, he had already survived exploding. It isn't clear that Peter or Claire are even capable of permanent death. I think that this is a better position to argue from then the words of a sociopath. People lie after all.
::::Except that in the original timeline, it was Sylar who exploded, not Peter. Hiro went back in time to warn Peter to save the cheerleader, and in that altered timeline Peter almost exploded. This is apparently what the graphic novel portrays; see the talk page for ''[[Talk:Five Years Gone#Timeline Inconsistencies|Five Years Gone]]''. At any rate, at least one viewer (me) got the impression that Nathan and Peter both died; so the fate of Peter and Nathan is speculation ''at this point in time'', until more is revealed to us in the next season. — [[User:Loadmaster|Loadmaster]] 21:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Incorrect - re-watch Five Years Gone - Peter admits it was him, and that it was a lie by Nathan that had Sylar blamed (in that timeline). In Hiro's original timeline (which is not the one we saw in Five Years Gone, nor the current time line) it might have actually been Sylar - but that time line is long cut off so we have no way to check. Indeed, it's possible that Sylar was never the one who exploded - that it was always Peter and always Nathan who covered it up and thus Future Hiro was unaware. The difference with our current timeline is that instead of covering it up, Nathan flies into the sky and - perhaps - sacrifices himself instead of millions of New Yorkers. However yes - it remains speculation at this time whether Nathan and Peter still live. [[User:Berym|Berym]] 01:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Sylar also failed to kill Claire in that future, and so he wouldn't have had the power to survive it with. That said, Ted didn't seem to be harmed when he destroyed the Bennetts' house, so perhaps regeneration is immaterial. Claude and the Haitian also show some immunity to the effects of their own powers. Also; most powers seem to have some kind of area effect (if not, then many of them would end up naked all the time). It may be that Nathan could be healed by proximity to Peter in the same way as Hiro takes Ando through time and space and D.L. takes Nikki through walls. Nathan may even have gone through the same explosive effect as Peter and have been left unharmed like Ted. Really it's hopeless to speculate. It is a work of fiction and any outcome can be rationalised by any number of arbitrary plot devices because there is no clear and definite rule-set in place. --[[User:ToobMug|ToobMug]] 17:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thx to naybody who answered my question. watever happened to claude, coudl tehre be a chance he coudl have been invisible and witness teh figth thing? idk im jsu being curious
:Please remember that the talk page is for discussing the article and not the show itself. Thanks! [[User:Pnkrockr|Pnkrockr]] 16:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
oh srry, im kinda new to this stuff
== Theory page ==
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:Incorrect. Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT|not a forum]] or a fansite. If someone wants to post theories, i suggest they check out http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/ and http://heroeswiki.com/Main_Page. [[User:Dposse|dposse]] 22:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think he meant that the comment/question itself would go here, where it may quickly and efficiently be shot down. Regardless, I concur - there's no place for Original Research here, which Theories - by definition - would be. [[User:Ultraexactzz|ZZ]] 12:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, theories can be included on wiki, such as the theory of [[general relativity]]. It just has to be a theory that is published and widely accepted. --[[User:Pinkkeith|Pinkkeith]] 14:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
::::...and which theories about Heroes would not be. I should've been more specific. [[User:Ultraexactzz|ZZ]] 19:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
== Kirby Plaza ==
What or where is Kirby Plaza? Is it a movie set, or a cleared-out piece of some city? As I recall, the bomb was described as having gone off somewhere like "the heart of New York", so why is it so quiet there? And quiet outside Nathan's office, too. Is that what New York's like at night, or does it relate to the election or something? --[[User:ToobMug|ToobMug]] 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The real Kirby Plaza is Arco Plaza in Los Angeles. I'm guessing it's subbing for NYC's [[Rockefeller Center]]. IIRC, we're not told what time they all meet up in the plaza, so who knows if it's 7 PM or Midnight. [[User:Ttenchantr|Ttenchantr]] 21:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
== "Generations"- possible references ==
There are a couple of possible references in the "Generations" section- firstly, Hiro landing with a thud on a grassy hill just after the title is shown, possibly referring to [[Star Trek: Generations]]. The other is the number of mounted samurai- although it's quite difficult to count, I think there are [[Seven Samurai]]... [[User:MorkaisChosen|MorkaisChosen]] ([[User talk:MorkaisChosen|talk]]) 16:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
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