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Hello I am working on a ethnic wiki and I am writing on race and human body so I wonder if you can draw those breasts separately every each size you see on the picture I posted, very appreciate it and thanks in advance. [[User:Nick10000|Nick10000]] 15:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
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'''Article(s):''' [[Papua New Guinea]] (see article for blotchy gif resizing goodness) and many others on numerous projects
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== {{Request Title|title=Harvey Milk Plaza inscription|done=true}} ==
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'''Article(s): [[Harvey Milk]]'''
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:::Text on [[:Image:World Crest 1957 purple.svg]] was much easier because I had correct font loaded already. Keep which ever file you want. -- [[User:Kaboom88|Kaboom88]] 02:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:Perfect, the last one is it, thank you so much, this one is complete! That was easy! [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 03:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
=={{Request Title|title=Pakistan Coat of Arms|done=true}}==
<center><gallery>
Image:Coat of arms of Pakistan.svg|Start
Image:Urdi_pak_motto.png|text at the bottom
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'''Article(s):''' Too many to list here.
'''Request:''' Convert this image to SVG format. -- [[User:Jerry|Jerry]] 19:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
I'll have a go, in the mean time, could you try and find out the text at the bottom f the emblem. Cheers <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 16:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::Just realised I am quite busy at the moment, but I have started it off for anyone who wishes to take it up. Sorry <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 16:20, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::::The scroll at the bottom contains the national [[motto]] in [[Urdu]], coined by [[Muhammad Ali Jinnah]], which reads from right to left: ([[Urdu]]: <big>ایمان ، اتحاد ، نظم</big> ) ''Iman, Ittehad, Nazm'' translated as "[[Wiktionary:Faith|Faith]], [[Wiktionary:Unity|Unity]], [[Wiktionary:Discipline|Discipline]]". [[User:Jerry|Jerry]] 01:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Put the text on, but waiting for someone else to take this up <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 16:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll leave it up to [[User:Shandris]] then, who seems to have been editing without us knowing ! :-) <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 11:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
::You just had weird colors and your's was badly traced. You can continue on mine if you like...I cba... --[[User:Shandris|''Shandris'']][[User:Shandris|<sup style="color:#cb5f0f;">the </sup>]][[User_talk:Shandris|<sup style="color:#cb5f0f;">azylean</sup>]] 22:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Great progress! <i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 23:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: I think "I cba" is uk-speak ("I can't be arsed"), meaning that he will not be finishing it. <i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 23:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Somebody PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE finish it. It is so close to being done and is looking so good! <i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 03:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I updated a little further. -- [[User:Kaboom88|Kaboom88]] 12:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
:I've just added the wreath, added a stroke to part of the bottom part of the emblem, added fill to the ends of the bottom part. However the wreath may need to be cleaned up a bit because parts of it are auto-tracing. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 11:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll take a look at doing the sheaf and cleaning up the wreath a bit. --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 12:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I ended up re-doing the calligraphy to match the style on the coat of arms better, and the best I could do with the sheaf was an auto-trace. If someone here can do better, feel free! As for the wreath, I just went around executing nodes at random, but didn't find a way to improve it radically. --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 15:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:: I think it is perfect! Thanks, guys! <i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 01:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::''I just redid the hay by enlarging in GIMP, then sharpening, then tracing by using brightness cutoff, and filling with green ! '' <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 08:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Very nifty! I'll try that trick in future when I need to do something like this. --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 12:19, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again everyone. I just substituted all instances of the old image, and updated the image decription page with the deprecated image redirect template. There is still one article listed as using the old file, but I just can't figure out why. I have purged both the Article, the template the image was transcluded from, but it is still there. Oh, well, the other 100+ are substituted. If any of you can see what I missed, please leave me a note on [[User talk:Jerry|my talk page]]. Thanks, <i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 17:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
=={{Request Title|title=Free SVGs for a Free Territory!|done=false}}==
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Image:Free Territory Trieste Flag.png
Image:Free Territory Trieste Flag.svg
Image:Free Territory of Trieste coat of arms.png
Image:Free Territory of Trieste coat of arms.svg
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'''Articles:''' [[Free Territory of Trieste]]
'''Request:''' SVGify both (Should be pretty easy) [[User:68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] 23:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Opinion:''' OK, I'll take these. --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 13:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::Not as easy as I thought. This is my best shot. --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 15:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I tried changing the images to use embedded bitmaps, since the traced versions weren't scaling down very nicely, but it doesn't seem to have been much of an improvement. I think the motif would really need to be redrawn by hand. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 20:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::If we're going to re-draw, we really should get an authentic copy to work from. For example, I'm not sure how much of the roughness of the shading on the motif is necessary.--[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 06:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
:::According to [http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/it_ftt.html FotW], it doesn't have to be anything beyond a shape! [[User:68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] 19:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'll have a quick go at a manual trace. --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 20:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, I did a version with the emblem on the shield. Any good?. Also, I had a problem getting the right 'fork' to blend into the middle bit, Could someone else help? --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 21:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
If you meant the section of arc that is showing through, I sorted that. As for the colour change, I don't know whether that's an issue. Nice drawing, BTW. (or are my standards just low? I liked the battleship blur as well 8-P )--[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 09:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:I just noticed that where the right arc met the main pole there was the 'light colour' instead of the 'dark colour'. I tried to find a way to add this in, but it was awkward (esp. without blur). And the battle ship 'blur' was me being lazy :-). --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 10:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Looks nice... if noone has any future changes they want to make, I'll mark the PNGs as superseded. [[User:68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] 02:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this flag is wrong :) I'm from Trieste, and it's time to update it to the correct version.
it actually has WRONG colours! This is the actual flag waving in Trieste http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexsap/5848265439/ and you can clearly see the symbol in it is WHITE. I have created years ago the 100% correct SVG version, and I can upload it anytime.
How can it be updated, then?
(I'm fairly new to wikipedia)
I also SVGed the coat of arms (this one is unfortunately wrong, too!), which is this one http://www.languagesmeetsport.eu/images/common/logo_comune_ts.jpg confirmed at the bottom of the pace of the city council here http://www.retecivica.trieste.it and I'm willing to give this to wikipedia, too; I just don't know how to update the existing files.
[[User:Aarska|Aarska]] ([[User talk:Aarska|talk]]) 11:54, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
=={{Request Title|title=India old Scout emblem|done=true}}==
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Image:Indtrim.jpg|age has stretched and distorted the original design
Image:IndiaBritishoutline.jpg|map, colored correct shade and essential perspective
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'''Article(s):''' [[The Bharat Scouts and Guides]]
'''Request:''' correct for perspective (as [[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] did with the Argentine flags, using http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/perspective/en.shtml or somehow) and lighten coloration. It's close, but not exactly right. Even if it needs to be made from a photo into a graphic. -- [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 07:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:''' It looks like I'm the official "can't do guy" today, but this one is harder to correct for perspective than a flag, as it is unclear what the correct perspective would be. Do you have even a poor-quality image with the correct perspective to compare it with? If not, maybe you could make a sketch indicating what the correct perspective would be? --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 09:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:I also tried it with [[hugin]], but couldn't get it to correct it, so I went to [[GIMP]] and did it manually, I also corrected the lighting, but to be honest, the lighting wasn't that bad to begin with so it didn't make so much of a difference. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 12:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry I got so eager I started on an SVG, though it is pretty rough. I do need however need the phrase at the bottom as I can't quite make it out. Please '''do''' state any changes you wish to be made. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 13:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Well done on the perspective. The text to my untrained eye seems to say "Boy scouts India". --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 15:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Good? <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 18:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:That is _great_, Rugby, (both the perspective one and the svg) and both faithful to the original badge and to the geography itself. I goofed around with a subcontinent map, there are very few differences, you may or may not want to tweak the India shape. The text is actually ALL CAPS, and does indeed read '''BOY SCOUTS INDIA'''. The stars on the fleur-de-lis are actually hollow, and could be either khaki-tan like the base cloth, or gold like the scroll, I have seen both. Thanks, this is beautiful!
::ps-once there, the green should be deeper and the red a bit more primary. Thanks again! [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 02:48, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I uploaded over Rugby's, because of the non free thing(feel free to revert), the text got lost but I tweaked it so it will be easy for him to finish up if he likes my version. Think of this as a hit and run improvement. Cheers—[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]<sup>[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]</sup> 05:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:::PS I just realized that I gave it the wrong shade of green... o_0 [[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]<sup>[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]</sup> 05:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Changed colours and the text wouldn't display because it was a text on a path, mediawiki doesn't support that (among other things..) and so you have to convert it to path. Anything else ? <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 07:24, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:Oops forgot to switch to path... like I said, this is a drive by, so I leave the rest to you. ;)—[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]<sup>[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]</sup> 08:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:: Oww !! [[Image:Face-surprise.svg|50px]] ° ° [[Image:Face-devil-grin.svg|50px]] '''<---- Drive-by'''
<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 08:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:Gentlemen (Cronholm thank you also for your drivebys, you two are anchors!)
*Can the emblem be moved ''sukoshi'' up on the map image? It seems like more of the bottom peninsula sticks out at the bottom. I would estimate it needs moved only about the height of one of the stars on the badge, so the whole is a little more centered top-to-bottom on the map.
<s>*Can you dial back the green two shades lighter? It should be about the depth of the donation thermometer presently displayed at the top of all pages for the fund-drive.</s>
<s>*Can you replace the text '''BOY SCOUTS INDIA''', or does that really need to wait until the end?</s>
*There's a little blip that looks like an island on the west side. It's not really there. My map was crude. Can it be removed?
:Thanks again for all your hard work! [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 22:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Done ! <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 07:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Beautiful, you guys, thank you! A round of Photoshop for everyone, on me! :) [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 11:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
(this is used in two articles, one I'm using the graphic, the other the actual badge, both improved here) [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 12:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Oh sorry! :-) <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 13:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
== {{Request Title|title=London Midland maps|done=false}} ==
<center><gallery>
Image:London Midland City.svg|SVG
Image:London Midland Express.svg|SVG
Image:Mastermapa32 1.pdf|Total routes (pdf file)
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'''Article(s):''' [[London Midland]]
'''Request:''' Hi, there are two replaceable copyrighted maps being used on the article [[London Midland]]: these are [[:Image:Pic birmingham.gif]] and [[:Image:Pic express.gif]]. Would it be possible for someone to create replacements? --[[User:RFBailey|RFBailey]] 14:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:: There is also the pdf map of the whole london Midland network. Could this also be improved. It is not yet being used in an article. Thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 16:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Info''' They are rail network maps, so the names along the lines are station names. Could you indicate with a - where the stops are. Thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 19:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist Opinion:'''
I've done the two green & black maps. Any prefered colours/ changes? <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 11:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, you have done a great job! Could you add dashes where the stations are? This would clarify the map. And then the same again for the pdf. [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 20:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Colours''' Could you do the following to the colours:
City map:
*Birmingham to Hereford, Birmingham to Lemington, Birmingham to Stratford -''Lime Green''
*Birmingham to Northampton -''Orange''
*B'ham to Redditch and B'ham to Lichfield -''Red''
*B'ham to Shrewsbury -''Purple''
*B'ham to Stafford and B'ham to Rugely - ''Blue''
Express Map:
*B'ham to Liverpool - ''Green''
*London to Bham and Crewe - ''Red''
These colours are the ones that are on other rail maps of the network. [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 20:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Done, i'll see if I have time to do the PDF <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 07:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to be a pain, but could you make the Redditch to Lichfield line Red please? Many thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 15:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Done [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px|Did]] ! <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span>
== {{Request Title|title=Seikan Tunnel profile diagram, SVG|done=true}} ==
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Image:Seikan Tunnel profile diagram.svg
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'''Article(s):'''
'''Request:''' I just created this SVG in Inkscape. The problem is that it has a lot of blank space at the bottom, I don't know how to fix it. If someone could upload a fixed version over the top (on Commons) that would be great.''' -- [[User:Commander Keane|Commander Keane]] 07:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
Done, for reference if you ever come across this again, all you need to do is select everything (Ctrl+A), go to File > Document Properties and where is says Custom Size, click the 'Fit page to selection' button. (By the way, you do know the document is kinda semi-transparent (because of how you placed the gradients) <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 08:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
=={{Template:Request Title|title=Current Event icon|done=true}}==
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Image:Crystal Clear app kworldclock.png|Example of style.
Image:Gnome globe current event.svg|Current general icon, main issue here.
Image:Soccerball current event.svg|Related icon in use.*
Image:Currentcvg.svg|Related icon in use.*
Image:TVfuture icon.svg|Another Related Icon.*
Image:Gnome globe current event 1.svg|1
Image:Gnome globe current event 2.svg|2
Image:Gnome globe current event 3.svg|3
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'''Articles:'''Everything that uses {{tl|Current}} and related templates.
'''Request:''' I was wondering if some artist can tweak this design a little. I would like the smoothness of the first icon with the color scheme of the second. The current icon doesn't scale well (The outline's too heavy and it's a little fuzzy).
Example of it in use:
{{ambox
| type = notice
| image = [[Image:Gnome globe current event.svg|42px]]
| text = '''This {{{1|article}}} documents a [[Portal:Current events|current {{#if:{{{2|}}}|{{{2}}}|event}}]].''' <br> <small>Information may change rapidly as the event progresses.</small>
}}
Having a red clock is requested but the globe colors are up to the artist. (Like blue and green, blue and white, or light blue and green.) So is the shadows/lightning. I would like more detail with the land area on the globe (like the first has), but this isn't necessary. Whatever looks the best. Matching other icons used on templates would be a big plus, though.
<nowiki>*</nowiki> Personally, I don't think sports and videogames need their own "current event" icon, but since they are being used, maybe they can be updated as well so they all match.
Thank you. -- [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] 00:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
I don't really see any problems with the current ones. Can you clarify? [[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam Cuerden]] <sup>[[User_talk:Adam Cuerden|talk]]</sup> 00:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:The one on the left looks less grainy; I think that styling is what he wants added to the current icon—[[User:Cronholm144|Cronholm]]<sup>[[User talk:Cronholm144|144]]</sup> 00:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
::The first icon is included just as an example of style. I think it looks great, however the second icon (and possibly the 3rd and 4th) is what I'm asking to be improved upon (especially at 42px). This icon is widely used in templates, and unlike other template messages, the ones that include this icon are seen on any type of article (like FA's) not just ones that need work anyway. I just think it's important to look good. --[[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] 01:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I've added a similar icon that might need redoing, but also a Tango icon of a globe hope that helps. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 07:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you. Yes, I missed those. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] 10:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. I had a go at the first one on the list. It works in inkscape, and Mozilla interprets it fine, but Mediawiki doesn't understand the SVG "blur" effect, so the globe and the clock vanished. If you're interested, here is the image: [[Image:Gnome globe current event 1.svg|40px]]--[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 07:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
::I remade what Slashme did without the blur effect. Feel free to modify it now. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 06:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
<small><s>:::Here are the two images side to side :</s></small>
'''EDIT:''' I came across [[:Image:Erioll world.svg|these]] [[:Image:Sciences de la terre.svg|two]] images on the [[Wikimedia_Commons|Commons]] and I thought they might be useful, so I've created 3 variations of the current event icon, which is best ? <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 08:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
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They're all nice, I'm not sure which one I like more yet, but do think you can make the clock less pixely? That was my main consern. Here's the original Nuvola clock: [[Image:Stock alarm.svg|25px]] and here's another original with a smaller clock: [[Image:Nuvola apps karm.png|40px]]. I'm not sure if it's possible, but can you use the boarder off one of these and make it red with the current clock face? See the first icon I posted - that's the smoothness I would like to see. Maybe I'm just being picky, so if this is too much work, then it's ok, the ones we have will do. Thanks. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] 05:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I have resized the clock you offered just above, and as you can see, it goes slightly pixely as well, when ever something is as small as that, there is so little room that's the effect it has. So if we were to convert the blue one to SVG, it would still give the same effect. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 09:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:I see what you mean. I zoomed in on the original and around 20x it stops looking pixely, ''and'' it's an SVG, so I guess there's nothing you can do about it, ecept for making a whole new SVG based on the 22px PNG icon, which I didn't even bother uploading because it's not worth it. I guess the clock is ok as it is. Thanks for your help! Cheers, [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] 04:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. [[User:Rocket000|Rocket000]] 04:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
=={{Request Title|title=Thai garuda emblem|done=true}}==
<center><gallery>
Image:Thai Garuda emblem.png|Garuda emblem from the Royal Government Gazette
Image:Emblem of Thailand.svg|SVG
</gallery></center>
'''Article(s):''' [[Thailand]], [[Emblem of Thailand]], Thai politics and royal family series
'''Request:''' The current garuda emblem was taken from an official source, but its original authorship and copyright status remain unclear. A free alternative is desired to alleviate all the copyright problems due to this image. SVGification would be great too. -- [[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] <sup>([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]])</sup> 09:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:''' I'm having a go at an SVG of the image on the left. --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 11:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:Whoa, more work than I anticipated there. I've done the head, crown-thing, arms and torso. I'll work some more on it if I get chance but no promises. --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 17:15, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:I've done the wings properly now. --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 08:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
According to the Thailand's Law, for its copyright, this garuda emblem can be freely distributed for public education purposes only. The distribution should be within these rules: Do not use as the part of the letter and/or mail and/or envelope without the permission of the government. Do not modify or change the shape of it. (Except redrawing of picture for the education purposes which can be done) The education purposes was included the non-commercial encyclopedia publishing, and thesis/report/worksheet compilation.
And my suggestion is that you should avoid redrawing the black-white outline picture without color filling.(As you have done was already correct) For more information about its copyright, I'll ask the lawyer here in Thailand and I'll post here again soon. If you have anything to ask, please leave the message to me at my discussion page. Thank you. [[User:Worapon F.S.Boonkerd|Worapon F.S.Boonkerd]] 14:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
:That sounds more like usage restrictions then copyright... and we have the standard CoA warning template for that... [[User:68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] 23:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
<s>
:Okay, I know I've been slow but I am still working on this. --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 14:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</s>
:Took long enough, that's pretty much everything, but some areas might need refining. --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 15:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::Wow good work, I just added something on the belt you overlooked :-) <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 18:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Oops! --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 19:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Wow. You guys rock. How do you go to work on something like that? I downloaded the partial SVG, drew two lines,and realized that it was way to hard for me.--[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 07:52, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:I've also been experimenting with pattern along path and I got some feathers to work, how are they? '''@Slashme:''' except for the feathers this is all DTR's work, nothing to do with me :-) <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 08:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::Hurrah! for Pattern Along Path!. That's much better. Is it worth doing the same with the side-bits next to the belt? And @Slashme, it's mostly just lots of practice drawing over images. And using infinite quantities of bezier curves. It didn't help that this image was insanely detailed... --[[User:DTR|Dave the Rave (DTR)]]<small>[[User_talk:DTR|talk]]</small> 09:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think it is worth it (unless someone wants to do it) the feathers would have to be very very small and so visible only really as black spots <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 10:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Amazing work. I'll go ahead and change the image references; mark this as done when you're satisfied :). [[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] <sup>([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]])</sup> 19:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
== {{Request Title|title=London Midland maps|done=true}} ==
<center><gallery>
Image:London Midland City.svg|SVG
Image:London Midland Express.svg|SVG
</gallery></center>
'''Article(s):''' [[London Midland]]
'''Request:''' Hi, there are two replaceable copyrighted maps being used on the article [[London Midland]]: these are [[:Image:Pic birmingham.gif]] and [[:Image:Pic express.gif]]. Would it be possible for someone to create replacements? --[[User:RFBailey|RFBailey]] 14:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:: There is also the pdf map of the whole london Midland network. Could this also be improved. It is not yet being used in an article. Thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 16:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Info''' They are rail network maps, so the names along the lines are station names. Could you indicate with a - where the stops are. Thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 19:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist Opinion:'''
I've done the two green & black maps. Any prefered colours/ changes? <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 11:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, you have done a great job! Could you add dashes where the stations are? This would clarify the map. And then the same again for the pdf. [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 20:05, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Colours''' Could you do the following to the colours:
City map:
*Birmingham to Hereford, Birmingham to Lemington, Birmingham to Stratford -''Lime Green''
*Birmingham to Northampton -''Orange''
*B'ham to Redditch and B'ham to Lichfield -''Red''
*B'ham to Shrewsbury -''Purple''
*B'ham to Stafford and B'ham to Rugely - ''Blue''
Express Map:
*B'ham to Liverpool - ''Green''
*London to Bham and Crewe - ''Red''
These colours are the ones that are on other rail maps of the network. [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 20:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Done, i'll see if I have time to do the PDF <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 07:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to be a pain, but could you make the Redditch to Lichfield line Red please? Many thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 15:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Done [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px|Did]] ! <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span>
=={{Request Title|title=Admiral Arthur W. Radford High School Logo|done=true}}==
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</gallery></center>
'''Article(s):'''[[Admiral Arthur W. Radford High School]]
'''Request:''' Create svg version of this raster image, b ecause it is used as a small logo, and does not reduce well. <i>[[User:Jerry|JERRY]]</i> <sup>[[User Talk:Jerry|talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Jerry|contribs]]</sub> 18:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:What exactly is on it? I see the map of Hawaii, and some bird... We can't create a good SVG if we can't tell what the original image is! [[User:68.39.174.238|68.39.174.238]] 03:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
I uploaded a larger version <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span>
'''Graphist opinion:'''
I'm unsure why this needs to be converted to svg? It definitely is more a picture than a diagram, and it would be too messy as an svg... Anyone else have thoughts on this? [[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] 10:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:The original is fair use, so converting it to SVG would be hard to justify from a copyright perspective. [[User:Time3000|Time3000]] 11:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::I think with the one I uploaded, it no longer requires a SVG, this is good enough quality <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 11:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
=={{Request Title|title=Scouts de España|done=true}}==
<center><gallery>
Image:Hebilla_Scouts_de_España.jpg|Original
Image:Hebilla_scouts_de_espania_ZP.png|First attempt
</gallery></center>
'''Article(s):''' [[Scouts de España]]
'''Request:''' lighten, cut to circular, bring out lettering and center detailing -- [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 19:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
I posted my first attempt. With or without shadow? What else needs to be done on this? I think it needs a little more contrast in general. Also, the license on the new version of the image needs to be fixed. Maybe even the original needs the license fixed, I'm not sure that it's proper. [[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] 20:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, that rocks! Without the shadow on the right side, just a clear background please, although that looks snazzy, too. Thank you so much! [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 20:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, and on the next iteration, maybe you want to remove ''Hebilla'' from the name, it means "belt buckle" :) [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 20:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::And yes, just a little more contrast, especially the lower left lettering. The licensing I am trying to figure out. If nothing else, we have a Scoutlogo tag which will do, but if it is a modification of a Commons image, I think you are okay. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 23:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''thought''' it just struck me, I am bumming, you guys are so good at this, soon I will run out of arcane graphic requests. :( This is the best part of Wikipedia, you guys know that? [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 02:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:I always thought a subtle shadow makes it look more realistic, but no problems. Glad you like it!! There isn't a whole lot I can do about the contrast on the bottom left. Mostly because I'm unsure where it needs it. I just increased contrast overall. [[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] 14:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)<span class="plainlinks"></span>
::To be honest, I prefer the one with the shadow :-) <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 18:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::You rock, that's great! Oh, I totally love the shaded version, but per the Scouting WP manual of style, national emblems and badges should have plain white backgrounds. Thank you so much! [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris]] 21:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
== {{did}} Central Railway map ==
<gallery>
Image:Cr route.jpg|Image to Improve
Image:Central Railway Route.svg|SVG
</gallery>
'''Article:''' [[Central Railway]]
'''Request:''' Hi, could you produce a simplified version of this map please. It can just be an outline of France and the UK with the rough route and places served on it. At the moment the image is subject to copyright laws. Your improvement would:
*(a) - Remove this problem
*(b) - Make the image easier to understand
Thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 15:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
How's this ? <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 20:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Great! Thanks, [[User:Dewarw|Dewarw]] 20:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
=={{Template:Request Title|title=Add Color?|done=true}}==
<center><gallery>
Image:Dawn Trajectory as of 2006.jpg
Image:Dawn Trajectory as of 2006.svg|Random Coloured Elements
Image:Dawn trajectory as of September 2007.png|as of September 2007
</gallery></center>
'''Article(s):''' [[Dawn (spacecraft)]]
'''Request:''' At thumbnail size it is difficult, to see the difference between the dotted and solid lines. Perhaps some color would help? [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 17:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
Cool, I'll get to work on a SVG immediately <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 17:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, i've done the outline & text in various '''random''' colours, what colours do you suggest for
1) lines
2) the inside of the ellipses
<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 18:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
:Note: There's an updated version of the trajectory [http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/images/sept_07_trajec_hi.jpg here]. Since it's clearly been drawn in a vector graphics program, it might be worth e-mailing NASA to a) confirm that the image is PD, and b) ask for a vector version. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 20:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
::Meanwhile, I've converted the latest version to PNG format and uploaded it to Commons as [[:Image:Dawn trajectory as of September 2007.png]]. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 20:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've asked NASA about the copyright status of the image, and whether a vector version is available, at their [http://www.nasa.gov/about/contact/ask_nasa_form.html website]. I'll let you know if I hear anything. --[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 07:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's been a while now, and no word from NASA :-( Ah well.--[[User:Slashme|Slashme]] 12:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
=={{Request Title|title=Aquarium Nitrogen Cycle|done=true}}==
<center><gallery>
Image:Aquarium_Nitrogen_Cycle.png
Image:Aquarium Nitrogen CycleZP.svg
Image:Aquarium_Nitrogen_Cycle.svg|the original as SVG
</gallery></center>
'''Article(s):'''
[[Nitrogen_cycle|Nitrogen Cycle]] [[Aquarium]] One of those, but they removed it because the svg isn't good. The png is the original version that I converted to svg.
'''Request:''' --
Could someone please fix up this svg? I did it, but I'm unsure how to get these fonts right. Any advice on doing svg fonts properly is also very welcome on my talk page. Thanks.
[[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] 19:55, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
'''Graphist opinion:'''
Unfortunately, as far as I know (which isn't a whole lot), in order to correct your text problems that arise in the preview of the above svg image, you'll have to convert the text to paths/outlines in order for them to stay in position. The downside to this is that the file size will approximately triple its original size. For instance, converting all of the text in the above .svg file will balloon the file size to 113 kb. If however, you use a different font (like Arial, something very basic without many extra curves/paths), file size can be reduced to around 90 kb. Here's some more info on text to paths: [[Wikipedia_talk:Graphic_Lab/Images_to_improve#Text to path]]. -- [[User:Kaboom88|Kaboom88]] 04:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Stop !! Don't convert them to paths, I recently discovered a way to embed the font face (eg Arial, Times New Roman) in the SVG file. One of the problems you have is that in Inkscape the font you choose doesn't show up the same on MediaWiki, however if you follow the steps below, they will look exactly the same in both instances.
Once you have created your SVG, make sure all text objects are text and not flowed text (to convert them, go to the '''Text''' menu and select '''Convert to text'''). Then, go to the '''Edit''' Menu and select '''XML Editor'''.
Navigate in the pane on the left to your text objects (they will be called '''<nowiki><svg:text id="</nowiki>''something''<nowiki>"></nowiki>''') and do the following for each text object :
'''1)''' Click on the text object in the left pane
'''2)''' Some attributes should now appear in the right pane, click on the '''style''' attribute
'''3)''' You can now edit the attribute in the right hand bottom corner, add to the end of the arguments (add to the box at the very bottom with things in like '''font-size:52pt''')
<code> ;font-family:Bitstream Vera Sans </code>
(with the semicolon in front)
'''4)''' Once you have done this, remember to click the '''Set''' button, otherwise it won't save the changes
Do this for every one and save your file and now (if Media Wiki has that font installed) it should display properly
Phew !
<span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 07:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Fixed it. Size is now approx ~60 kb+ --[[User:Shandris|''Shandris'']][[User:Shandris|<sup style="color:#cb5f0f;">the </sup>]][[User_talk:Shandris|<sup style="color:#cb5f0f;">azylean</sup>]] 11:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
::This was one of my older ones: I don't think I quite did it before MediaWiki started supporting SVG, but I'm sure I did it before I was experienced enough with Inkscape and MediaWiki to get them render right, so what I did back then was upload the PNG here and put the original SVG on my own website, linking to it from the image description. Anyway, I just cleaned up the SVG original, uploaded it to Commons as [[:Image:Aquarium Nitrogen Cycle.svg]] and marked the PNG as superseded. Compared to your version, it does look rather dark, though... I think I'll see if I can tweak the colors a little later. —[[User:Ilmari Karonen|Ilmari Karonen]] <small>([[User talk:Ilmari Karonen|talk]])</small> 12:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I tried embedding the fonts as well (though it's a bit different with Illustrator), but it increased the file size as well. I think what Shandris did was the best in-between solution, that is, just convert the formulas to paths, and leave the rest as text. If you do that with [[:Image:Aquarium Nitrogen Cycle.svg]}, the file size jumped to around 30 kb, and as you can tell, with [[:Image:Aquarium Nitrogen CycleZP.svg]], the file size jumped to around 60 kb. That being said, I think that if you were concerned about file size, there are other things with the image that you could do to fix that as well. -- [[User:Kaboom88|Kaboom88]] 00:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I use Illustrator. I still don't get the font problem. Is it because the svg support only includes basic fonts? So if I use plain ones like Times New Roman and Arial, it should be fine, right? [[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] 14:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I also use basic fonts, but in Inkscape (the editor most people around here use) it doesn't seem to work like that. <span style="color:blue;font-weight:bold;font-family: Monotype Corsiva;"> > [[User:Rugby471|Rugby471]] <sup>[[User_talk:Rugby471|talk]]</sup></span> <span style="font-size: 17pt;">⚔</span> 18:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:Sigh, at least if we knew what the actual problem was? That way, we'd at least know how to avoid it. Has anyone figured it out yet? Thanks for the input, you guys :) [[User:XcepticZP|XcepticZP]] 18:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
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