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| name = ''Sterculia scaphigera''

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| regnum = [[Plant]]ae

| divisio = [[Flowering plant|Magnoliophyta]]

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| genus = ''[[Sterculia]]''

| species = '''''S. scaphigera'''''

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'''''Sterculia scaphigera''''' is a [[deciduous]] [[tropical]] [[nut]]-bearing tree of genus ''[[Sterculia]]''. Seeds of this plant are known as ''Pang Da Hai'' in Chinese-speaking countries and are used as herbal remedies in Indonesian and [[Chinese medicine]]. Beverages brewed from ''S. scaphigera'' seeds range in consistency from that of weak tea up. They are traditionally taken as a restorative to treat loss of the [[Human voice|voice]] from the [[common cold]], [[flu]], and [[laryngitis]].

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== Flavio Biondo ==

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[[Flavio Biondo]] is an Italian historian and author who has been called "The First Archaeologist". He wrote three influential books that systematically described the topography and ruins of Rome in the early 15th century. The first time anything like that had been done anywhere. My interest is history, and not archaeology, I was hopeing someone could help me if or where he belongs in this article and in what capacity. Did not see a "history of archaeology" section. I don't want to call him "the first" if it is hype, but I have seen it used in other sources, and don't know enough about the field to know how accurate a claim it is. [[User:Stbalbach|Stbalbach]] 06:22, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:A reference on the page [[History of archaeology]] would be great! Personally, if you can give a reference to an academic who called him the first archaeologist then I'd use it, otherwise I'd put "one of the first". Thanks. --[[User:Grutter|G Rutter]] 08:54, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::Thanks, I missed that page, I'll try over there.[[User:Stbalbach|Stbalbach]] 23:26, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

== Suggest 34 possible wiki links and 1 possible backlink for [[Archaeology]]. ==

An [[User:Nickj/Link_Suggester|automated Wikipedia link suggester]] has some possible wiki link suggestions for the [[Archaeology]] article:

* <s>Can link '''14th century''': <nowiki>...outs of medieval villages abandoned after the crises of the</nowiki> [[14th century|14th century]]<nowiki> and the equally lost layouts of 17th-century parterre garde...</nowiki></s>

* <s>Can link '''folk religion''': <nowiki>...ion - the development of [[agriculture]], cult practices of</nowiki> [[Folk religion|folk religion]]<nowiki>, the rise of the first [[city|cities]] - must come from arc...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Importance and applicability|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''writing systems''': <nowiki>...]'', which concerns itself with societies that did not have</nowiki> [[Writing system|writing systems]]<nowiki>. However, the term is generally valid only in [[Europe]] an...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Academic sub-disciplines|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''bodies of water''': <nowiki>...pwreck]]s as well as settlements that have been engulfed by</nowiki> [[Body of water|bodies of water]]<nowiki>....</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Academic sub-disciplines|link to section]])

* <s>Can link '''sixteenth century''': <nowiki>...ology]] is the study of material culture in Europe from the</nowiki> [[16th century|sixteenth century]]<nowiki> onwards....</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Academic sub-disciplines|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''public land''': <nowiki>...her statutes, this mandates that no construction project on</nowiki> [[Public land|public land]]<nowiki> or involving public funds may damage an unstudied archaeolo...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Cultural resources management|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''archaeological site''': <nowiki>...blic land or involving public funds may damage an unstudied</nowiki> [[Archaeological site|archaeological site]]<nowiki>. ...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Cultural resources management|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''Western civilisation''': <nowiki>...of the archaeological record by the ever-sprawling works of</nowiki> [[Western world|Western civilisation]]<nowiki>, but it leaves something to be desired. CRM is conducted by...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Cultural resources management|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''the early days''': <nowiki>...rgely the same methods. Survey was not widely practiced in</nowiki> [[The Early Days|the early days]]<nowiki> of archaeology. Cultural historians and prior researchers w...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Survey|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''stone structures''': <nowiki>...ld]] caused by [[iron]] artefacts, [[kiln]]s, some types of</nowiki> [[Stone structures|stone structures]]<nowiki>, and even ditches and middens. Devices that measure the [[e...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Survey|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''cultural history''': <nowiki>...chaeology|cultural, or culture history]]'''. The product of</nowiki> [[Cultural history|cultural history]]<nowiki> was to group sites into distinct "cultures", to determine t...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''diffusionism''': <nowiki>...cal material had been excavated and studied to suggest that</nowiki> [[diffusionism]]<nowiki> was not the only mechanism through which change occurred. I...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''inter-war''': <nowiki>...hange occurred. Influenced by the political upheaval of the</nowiki> [[interbellum|inter-war]]<nowiki> period Childe then argued that [[revolution]]s had wrought ...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''social organisation''': <nowiki>...nomadically. This would have led to considerable changes in</nowiki> [[Social animal|social organisation]]<nowiki>, which Childe argued led to a second [[Urban Revolution]] t...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s>Can link '''exact sciences''': <nowiki>...cessual archaeology]]'''). Processualists borrowed from the</nowiki> [[Exact Sciences|exact sciences]]<nowiki> the idea of [[hypothesis]] testing and the [[scientific met...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''ethnic groups''': <nowiki>...g clear, largely through the evidence of anthropology, that</nowiki> [[Ethnic group|ethnic groups]]<nowiki> and their development were not always entirely congruent wi...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''personal experience''': <nowiki>...ng that every archaeologist is in fact biased by his or her</nowiki> [[Personal experience|personal experience]]<nowiki> and background, and thus truly scientific archaeological wo...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''resource management''': <nowiki>...cognised in such fields as visitor interpretation, cultural</nowiki> [[Resource management|resource management]]<nowiki> and ethics in archaeology as well as fieldwork. It has also...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Archaeological theory|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''social change''': <nowiki>...male, elders vs. juniors, workers vs. owners) in generating</nowiki> [[Social change|social change]]<nowiki>. Some contemporary cultural groups have tried, with varying...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Ideology|link to section]])

* <s>Can link '''post-modernism''': <nowiki>...enced by neo-Darwinian evolutionary thought, phenomenology,</nowiki> [[postmodernism|post-modernism]]<nowiki>, agency theory, and cognitive science....</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Ideology|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''public interest''': <nowiki>...e doing their work for is often discussed. Without a strong</nowiki> [[Public interest|public interest]]<nowiki> in the subject, often sparked by significant finds and cele...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Relations with the public|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''building site''': <nowiki>... indemnity insurance issues involved in working on a modern</nowiki> [[Building construction|building site]]<nowiki> to tight deadlines. Certain charities and local government ...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Relations with the public|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''local government''': <nowiki>...ern building site to tight deadlines. Certain charities and</nowiki> [[Local government|local government]]<nowiki> bodies sometimes offer places on research projects either a...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Relations with the public|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''local group''': <nowiki>...ld without having to pay for the privilege should contact a</nowiki> [[Local Group|local group]]<nowiki>....</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Relations with the public|link to section]])

* <s> Can link '''non-fiction authors''': <nowiki>...rk (discussed above), as well as some actual activity. Many</nowiki> [[Author|non-fiction authors]]<nowiki> have ignored the scientific methods of [[processual archaeo...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Pseudoarchaeology|link to section]])

* <s>Can link '''buried treasure''': <nowiki>...g=== Looting of archaeological sites by people in search of</nowiki> [[hoard|buried treasure]]<nowiki> is an ancient problem. For instance, many of the tombs of t...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Looting|link to section]])

* <s>Can link '''Third World''': <nowiki>... The popular consciousness may associate looting with poor</nowiki> [[Third world|Third World]]<nowiki> countries. Many are former homes to many well-known ancient...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Looting|link to section]])

* <s>Can link '''well-founded''': <nowiki>...ican Indians tend to mistrust archaeology. This mistrust is</nowiki> [[well-founded relation|well-founded]]<nowiki>. For years, American archaeologists have been digging up In...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Descendant peoples|link to section]])</s> Incorrect link

* <s>Can link '''native peoples''': <nowiki>...haeologists have begun to actively enlist the assistance of</nowiki> [[Indigenous peoples|native peoples]]<nowiki> likely to be descended from those under study....</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Descendant peoples|link to section]])</s>

Done or not appropriate. Not sure about the ones in the bibliography sections below. What do people think? --[[User:Grutter|G Rutter]] 12:07, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

* Can link '''Alternative History''': <nowiki>....com/maat/index.php Hall of Maat]'' : Weighing evidence for</nowiki> [[Alternative history|Alternative History]]<nowiki>, pseudohistory, and pseudoarchaeology....</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#External links|link to section]])

* Can link '''web directory''': <nowiki>... the Internet] - Anthropology Resources on the Internet : a</nowiki> [[Web directory|web directory]]<nowiki> with over 3000 links grouped in specialised topics....</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#External links|link to section]])

* Can link '''Mountain View''': <nowiki>...Discovering Our Past: A Brief Introduction to Archaeology''</nowiki> [[Mountain View|Mountain View]]<nowiki>: Mayfield Publishing Company. ISBN 076741196X. This has als...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Further reading|link to section]])

* Can link '''trade paperback''': <nowiki>...field.com/ Rowman and Littlefield Pub Inc], December, 2001,</nowiki> [[Trade paperback|trade paperback]]<nowiki>, 256 pages, ISBN 0759100950...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Further reading|link to section]])

* Can link '''Cambridge University Press''': <nowiki>...ce. 1990. "A History of Archaeological Thought". Cambridge:</nowiki> [[Cambridge University Press|Cambridge University Press]]<nowiki>. ISBN 0521338182...</nowiki> ([[Archaeology#Further reading|link to section]])

Additionally, there are some other articles which may be able to linked to this one (also known as "backlinks"):

* <s>In [[Hulk %28ship%29|Hulk (ship)]], can backlink '''ARCHAEOLOGY''': <nowiki>...alled and surpassed the cog. Selections from: HISTORY AND</nowiki> [[Archaeology|ARCHAEOLOGY]]<nowiki> OF THE SHIP - LECTURE NOTES...</nowiki></s> Not appropriate I think --[[User:Grutter|G Rutter]] 12:07, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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:I'm not at all sold on [[well-founded relation]] and [[The Early Days]]. I also think [[Stone structures]] and [[resource management]] need more work before they're worth linking from here. [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 15:43, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

==Wikiproject==

I've started a very rough [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Archaeology|Archaeology Wikiproject]]. If you're interested in joining up and guiding it in these early days then please come along and start editing. I'd certainly like to get [[Template:Archaeology_tasks]] fleshed out. [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 13:55, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:I'm happy to help. I'll visit the template and see what's up. [[User:Rattus|Rattus]] 21:25, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

==Version 1.0 validation==

I see that archaeology is listed as one of the hundred-odd articles that the [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team]] have selected as [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Pages_to_be_rated|targets]] for Wiki 1.0 validation. [[Culture]] is the only article they have edited so far and they are looking for Harvard-style references, style guide conventions, images, npov, decently-written text etc. It won't be easy but the more sub-editing we can do ourselves then less they will have to do and the chances of any howlers being accidentally created are also lower.

Can anyone suggest some possible images to accompany the article, preferably not too anywhere-centric? [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 14:46, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:I would suggest that a photo of archaeologists working, or of a particular technique in action, would be far more valuable than pictures of any particular sites. I've certainly taken photos while on digs, but they are not that great. However, I'm sure there are plenty of others that we could get permission to use. Is this the kind of thing you were thinking of? [[User:Deb|Deb]] 16:56, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::Yeah, that sounds good to me. I take a rubbish photo myself but I'm sure we can source a few that that cover some of the topics in the article without being too biased towards any particular period or region. This may also be a prime opportunity to discuss exactly what we want this article to cover in general and whether the structure is working for any level of reader. [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 17:12, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

===Bibliography===

I notice stuff being added to the "Further reading" section, and I wondered if we should take it out and make it a separate article, giving lots of room for expansion? [[User:Deb|Deb]] 10:51, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:Looking at the Manual of Style, I can't see any rule against doing this. We could have different sections for fieldwork, theory, crm etc. [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 17:43, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

==Wikiportal==

Although I have signally failed to keep up the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Archaeology|Archaeology Wikiproject]] that hasn't stopped me starting the [[Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Archaeology|Archaeology Wikiportal]] with pictures and everything!. Feel free to come along and add stuff. [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 22:53, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Addition to subdiscipline?==

I was recently asked how one could become a "forensic archaeologist" and couldn't quite understand the concept. The term "forensic" (something to do with the court system, law, current criminal investigations) and "archaeology" (something to do with the past) didn't seem to jive well. Well, I did a bit of search and apparently UCL offers a masters course in "forensic archaeological science" and I even found a definition on one of the websites. Apparently it's supposed to be "archaeology using method and theory borrowed from the forensic sciences (I guess kind of like palaeopathology... but I can't see why it would have to be specifically forsensic science), OR using archaeological method and theory to aid in forensic research of a current, on-going criminal investigation". The latter tends to make a little more sense, because I can see how archaeological techniques (excavation, recording and interpretation of stratigraphic information, etc.) could be of help at a crime scene, especially if the dead bodies are buried (which, I guess, they often are). Any way, I was wondering if forensic archaeology should be added to the list of subdisciplines and exactly how to define it if it should.[[User:Rawhead|rawhead]]

:A friend of mine did the UCL Forensics MA, stabbed and buried a load of dead sheep for her thesis. The police use forensic archs in murder investigations, as yes the work involves excavating shallow graves and keeping a thorough record of the work as well as borrowing a lot from pathology in terms of bone analysis and studying trauma. The UN hired a load to go and dig up the mass graves in Bosnia and some have gone out to excavate Saddam's mass graves in Iraq. It is gruesome stuff and most archaeologists prefer their bones not have flesh still on them but it is easily the best-paying area of the field if you can stomach it. I'm sure we can thrash out a definition on the article page. [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 12:57, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Where does information on this belong on Wikipedia? ==

[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4413745.stm Medieval works found at LNG site] I don't know how to classify the find. [[User:Adraeus|Adraeus]] 21:28, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

: I'd suggest waiting until there is more information published that confirms the date and the type of metal being produced. As to the question of classification of the site, 'Medieval smithy' is used quite a bit. [[User:Rattus|Rattus]] 22:40, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=Shortening entry=

I'd like to start tightening up and shortening (slightly) this entry. For starters, would anybody have any objections if the '''Academic sub-disciplines''' section was removed (leaving a couple sentences in its place) and shifted to another page (e.g. [[Archaeological sub-disciplines]])? Any other suggestions? [[User:Rattus|Rattus]] 14:00, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:<s>I'd say hive off Archaeological Theory, History of Archaeology and Cultural Resources Mgmt too. </s>[[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 14:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Sorry, should probably have checked here first- I finally got around to moving [[Archaeological theory]] to its own page which I've been meaning to do for ages. [[History of archaeology]] and [[Cultural resources management]] already have their own pages, although the CRM section on this page could probably be shortened. I agree with moving [[Archaeological sub-disciplines]] to its own entry. Personally, I find the "Relations with the public" section a bit strange- any suggestions, or is this just me?! --[[User:Grutter|G Rutter]] 16:05, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Whoops, I am behind the times. Yes Relations with the public is a bit odd; I've never seen another wikipedia page about a major discipline with such a heading. Maybe some could be absorbed by CRM? I long to sort out the introduction too. [[User:Adamsan|adamsan ]] 18:00, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The "Relations with the public" section seems fine to me. All the material therein is significant. As for the title, I have considered "Archaeology for the layman" (inappropriately gender specific term), "Public face of archaeology" (too racy), "Amateur archaeology" (too narrow) and others. I cannot come up with anything satisfactory. This reflects the prevailing problems with public involvement with arcaheology, I guess. --[[User:TheoClarke|Theo ]] [[User_talk:TheoClarke|(Talk)]] 19:39, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)