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*Here, the website promotes the conspiracy theory that a secret cabal of Jews and Hindus were behind the [[2008 Mumbai attacks]][http://www.countercurrents.org/misra031208.htm][http://www.countercurrents.org/khan070110.htm].[[Special:Contributions/59.160.210.68|59.160.210.68]] ([[User talk:59.160.210.68|talk]]) 14:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

: if you think use of [http://www.countercurrents.org/ countercurrents.org] as [[WP:RS|Reliable Source]] is objectionable then you can complaint to admin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Abecedare Abecedare] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SpacemanSpiff SpacemanSpiff]. currently you can't remove fact tags as such. --[[User:Onef9day|Onef9day]] ([[User talk:Onef9day|talk]]) 14:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

::lol woopiepedia is full of third world Indian leftist garbage if it links to genocidal liars and violent racists such as the third-world shit-mongers of "countercurrents.org". Unlike you woopiepedia losers, I actually have a job and a life and do not have time to waste touting loser leftist propaganda on trashopedia. Keep your countercurrents.org link if you want. It only serves to destroy whatever little credibility woopiepedia had to begin with.[[Special:Contributions/59.160.210.68|59.160.210.68]] ([[User talk:59.160.210.68|talk]]) 14:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== madrasi is used against south indians, not people from madras ==

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::::It is being blown out of proportion by those who are not reliable sources on this subject. An allegation on a CEO on this 100s years old subject violates both [[WP:BLP]] and [[WP:UNDUE]]. See [[WP:NOTNEWS]] - raunchy news reports are unfit for an article where only [[WP:HISTRS]] work. Scholarly sources only say that "Madrassi" is a largely outdated demonym. Unless they state it otherwise there is no need to engage in revisionism. [[User:Georgethedragonslayer|Georgethedragonslayer]] ([[User talk:Georgethedragonslayer|talk]]) 10:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' presenting this word as "slur". The NDTV.com article and the few other sources mention do make it clear that some people consider this a slur and several are suitable sources, but other articles make it clear that its use by many does not offend or intend to offend. Citations that do not make it clear when this became a slur and in what way for such a contentious subject are not enough. I am of the impression that who uses it, who it refers to and how it is used is the deciding factor. Until some sort of more scholarly source explain when, where and how it is a slur we should not present it as such on Wikipedia. I am sure those who feel they have been slighted by this word or those who have sympathy for them feel this is some sort of injustice, but we are not to use Wikipedia to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. Also keep it in mind that it is not fair to those who do not use it as a slur to retroactively claim they were/are racists. Get those sociologist off their butts and write something about the prejudice behind this word's use and we can document it on Wikipedia. Keep in mind the citations do not have to be in English. (Pinging {{re| Capitals00}} as we had this conversation at [[Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 10#Madrassi again]]) [[User:Richard-of-Earth|Richard-of-Earth]] ([[User talk:Richard-of-Earth|talk]] in November 2017) 22:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

*:I don't get it to be honest. It's pretty clear from these articles that it's at least a highly offensive term. Historically it isn't a slur but its usage has been outdated, and offensive enough to warrant articles on someone using it. - [[User:SourceIsOpen|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen|talk]]) 00:30, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:I am in agreement with [[User:Richard-of-Earth]] and [[User:Georgethedragonslayer]]. The [[Madras Presidency]] was the former name of a province in colonial India that covered what are now many southern Indian states including Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Karnataka. Just as the word ''Punjabi'' is used as a demonym for someone from the [[Punjab Province (British India)|Punjab Province]] (which includes what is now the Pakistani province of Punjab and the Indian states of Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh), the word ''Madrasi'' has been used to describe a person from the Madras Presidency, i.e. southern India. When most people use the word ''Madrasi'', they do not use it pejoratively, but use it to mean someone from the region of southern India. I hope this helps. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]]^{[[User talk:Anupam|Talk]]} 01:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::That's simply not the case in its modern usage. The word "madrasi" almost always is used pejoratively, and is definitely different from terms such as "punjabi". "Most mainland Indians see it [chinki] as an "endearing" nickname akin to the usage of madrasi for South Indians. People however must realise that neither term is endearing and in fact symbolise "cultural rejection"."<ref>https://www.jstor.org/stable/48505096</ref>, "Second, madrasi is a term for cultural rejection used by one dominant cultural player against an equal opponent; it is cultural politics, not racial ideology, and both are equally poisonous."<ref>https://www.jstor.org/stable/23251789</ref>. Saying that the term Madrasi is equal to the term Punjabi is simply misleading and not true. - [[User:SourceIsOpen|SourceIsOpen]] ([[User talk:SourceIsOpen|talk]]) 02:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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