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'''Benjamin Franklin''' ({{OldStyleDate|January 17|1706|[[January 6]]}} &ndash; [[April 17]] [[1790]]) was one of the best-known [[Founding Fathers of the United States|Founding Fathers]] of the [[United States]]. He was a leading author, political theorist, politician, printer, scientist, inventor, civic activist, and diplomat. As a scientist he was a major figure in the [[history of physics]] for his discoveries and theories regarding [[electricity]]. As a political writer and activist he, more than anyone, invented the idea of an American nation,<ref> [http://www.historynet.com/exploration/science_engineering/3036996.html "Benjamin Franklin: America's Inventor" article] from HistoryNet.com</ref> and as a diplomat during the [[American Revolution]], he secured the [[Franco-American relations|French alliance]] that helped to make independence possible.
 
Franklin was noted for his curiosity, his writings (popular, political and scientific), and his diversity of interests. As a leader of the [[Age of Enlightenment|Enlightenment]], he gained the recognition of scientists and intellectuals across Europe. An agent in [[London]] before the Revolution, and Minister to [[Early Modern France|France]] during it, he more than anyone defined the new nation in the minds of Europe. His success in securing French military and financial aid was a great contributor to the American victory over [[Kingdom of Great Britain|Britain]]. He invented the [[lightning rod]]; he was an early proponent of [[Thirteen Colonies|colonial unity]]; historians hail him as the "First American."
== What is the greatest distance from east to west in Canada? ==
 
Born in [[Boston, Massachusetts]], Franklin learned printing from his older brother and became a newspaper editor, printer, and merchant in [[Philadelphia]], becoming very wealthy. He spent many years in England and published the famous ''[[Poor Richard's Almanac]]'' and the ''[[Pennsylvania Gazette (newspaper)|Pennsylvania Gazette]]''. He formed both the first [[public library|public lending library]] and [[fire department]] in America as well as the [[Junto]], a political discussion club. During this period he wrote in favor of paper money, against [[mercantilist]] policies such as the [[Iron Act]] of 1750, and also drafted, in 1754, the [[Albany Plan of Union]], which would have created a continental legislature; demonstrating how early he conceived of the colonies as being naturally one political unit.
 
Franklin became a [[national hero]] in America when he spearheaded the effort to have [[Parliament of the United Kingdom|Parliament]] repeal the unpopular [[Stamp Act 1765|Stamp Act]]. An accomplished diplomat, he was widely admired among the French as American minister to Paris and was a major figure in the development of positive Franco-American relations. From 1775 to 1776, Franklin was [[Postmaster General of the United States|Postmaster General]] under the [[Continental Congress]] and from 1785 to 1788 was [[Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania#Presidents of Council|President of the Supreme Executive Council of Pennsylvania]]. Toward the end of his life, he became one of the most prominent [[Abolitionism|abolitionists]].
:*See [[Geography of Canada]]. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 03:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Franklin was interested in science and technology, carrying out his famous electricity experiments and inventing&mdash;in addition to the lightning rod&mdash;the [[Franklin stove]], [[catheter]], [[swimfin]]s, [[glass harmonica]], and [[bifocals]]. He also played a major role in establishing the [[University of Pennsylvania]] and [[Franklin and Marshall College]]. He was elected the first president of the [[American Philosophical Society]], the oldest [[learned society]] in the United States, in 1769. Franklin was fluent in five languages. He is typically recognized as a [[polymath]].
First, that article gives the positions of Canada's extreme points, but
not the distances between them.
 
==Biography==
Second, the phrase "greatest distance from east to west" is not very well
===Ancestry===
defined. Are we being asked for (1) the great-circle distance between the
Franklin's father, [[Josiah Franklin]], was born at [[Ecton]], [[Northamptonshire]], [[England]] on [[December 23]], [[1657]], the son of Thomas Franklin, a [[blacksmith]] and [[farmer]], and Jane White. His mother, Abiah Folger, was born in [[Nantucket]], [[Massachusetts]], on [[August 15]], [[1667]], to Peter Folger, a miller and schoolteacher and his wife [[Mary Morrill]], a former [[indentured servant]]. A descendant of the Folgers, [[J. A. Folger]], founded [[Folgers]] Coffee in the 19th century.
country's two most widely separated points, on the assumption that the
path connecting them is something like east-west? Or (2) the length of
the longest due east-west path (parallel of latitude) with its west end
at the country's west side and its east end at the country's east side?
Or (3) the length of the great circle joining the ends of that path?
Or something else?
 
Around 1677, Josiah married Anne Child at Ecton, and over the next few years had three children. These half-siblings of Benjamin Franklin included Elizabeth ([[March 2]], [[1678]]), Samuel ([[May 16]], [[1681]]), and Hannah ([[May 25]], [[1683]]).
It appears to me that the two points for (1) will be the southwest corner
of the Yukon Territory (near Mt. St. Elias), and Cape Race in Newfoundland.
(Not Cape Spear, because the great circle path comes into Newfoundland from
the northwest, and the coast from Cape Race to Cape Spear is fairly close
to north-south in alignment.) Mt. St. Elias is at 60°18'N according to
my atlas, and the north-south border is at 141°W, so the combination of
those coordinates should be close to the border angle; and for Cape Race
the atlas gives 46°40'N, 53°10'W.
Then [http://www.indo.com/distance this distance calculator]
makes the distance 3,456 miles or 5,561 km.
 
Sometime during the second half of 1683, the Franklins left England for Boston, Massachusetts. They had several more children in Boston, including Josiah Jr. ([[August 23]], [[1685]]), Ann ([[January 5]], [[1687]]), Joseph ([[February 5]], [[1688]]), and Joseph ([[June 30]], [[1689]]) (the first Joseph died soon after birth).
For (2), the longest parallel in degrees is just near the Arctic Circle,
from 61°18'W (Cape Dyer) to the 141°W Yukon border, for a length of 79°42',
but as you go south the degrees get longer, essentially in proportion to
the cosine of the latitude, so that's not going to be the right answer.
There are three latitudes farther south that look like candidates: 53°25'N,
with the parallel from 55°50'W in southeastern Labrador to 132°45'W in the
Queen Charlotte Islands, or 76°55' long; 49°15'N, from Cape Freels in
Newfoundland at 53°28'W to 126°1'W on Vancouver Island near Tofino, or 72°33';
and 48°39'N, from near Cape Bonavista in Newfoundland at 53°W to 124°49'W
on Vancouver Island, or 71°49', traversing a long section of the US.
Correcting for the latitude, I make it that the last of these is the
longest, equivalent to 47.446° at the equator. That's about 3,275 miles
or 5,272 km. But these figures will be somewhat inaccurate, even if I
measured and calculated correctly, as I did not attempt to take into
account the non-spherical shape of the earth.
 
Josiah's first wife, Anne, died in Boston on [[July 9]], [[1689]]. He was married to Abiah Folger on [[November 25]], [[1689]] in the [[Old South Church, Boston, Massachusetts|Old South Church]] of Boston by [[Samuel Willard]].
For (3), using the same endpoints as the last calculation above and
the distance calculature linked in (1), I get a great-circle distance
of 3,160 miles or 5,085 km.
 
Josiah and Abiah had the following children: John ([[December 7]], [[1690]]), Peter ([[November 22]],[[1692]]), Mary ([[September 26]], [[1694]]), James ([[February 4]], [[1697]]), Sarah ([[July 9]], [[1699]]), Ebenezer ([[September 20]], [[1701]]), Thomas ([[December 7]], [[1703]]), '''Benjamin''' ([[January 17]], [[1706]]), Lydia ([[August 8]], [[1708]]), and Jane ([[March 27]], [[1712]]).
That was fun! --Anonymous, 10:32 UTC, January 23.
 
===Early life===
:*Glad you enjoyed it. We'll send you a bill at the end of the month. :o) [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 13:49, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Autograph of Benjamin Franklin (from Nordisk familjebok).png|thumb|300px|Autograph of Benjamin Franklin]]
 
Benjamin Franklin was born on Milk Street in Boston on [[January 17]], [[1706]] [http://www.alumni.upenn.edu/club/benbday/birthdate.html] and [[Infant baptism|baptized]] at [[New Old South Church|Old South Meeting House]]. His father, Josiah Franklin, was a [[tallow]] chandler, a maker of candles and soap, whose second wife, Abiah Folger, was Benjamin's mother. Josiah's marriages produced 17 children; Benjamin was the fifteenth child and youngest son. Josiah wanted Ben to attend school with the clergy but only had enough money to send him to school for two years. He attended [[Boston Latin School]] but did not graduate; he continued his education through voracious reading. Although "his parents talked of the church as a career" for Franklin, his schooling ended when he was ten. He then worked for his father for a time and at 12 he became an [[apprenticeship|apprentice]] to his brother James, a printer. When Ben was 15, James created the ''New England Courant'', [[History of American newspapers|the first truly independent newspaper in the colonies]]. When denied the option to write to the paper, Franklin invented the pseudonym of ''''Mrs. Silence Dogood'''' who was ostensibly a middle-aged widow. The letters were published in the paper and became a subject of conversation around town. Neither James nor the Courant's readers were aware of the ruse, and James was unhappy with Ben when he discovered the popular correspondent was his younger brother. Franklin left his apprenticeship without permission and in so doing became a fugitive.<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
::*Grin! --Anon.
 
At age 17, Franklin ran away to [[Philadelphia, Pennsylvania]], seeking a new start in a new city. When he first arrived he worked in several printer shops around town. However, he was not satisfied by the immediate prospects. After a few months, while working in a printing house, Franklin was convinced by Pennsylvania Governor [[William Keith (Colonial Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania and Delaware)|Sir William Keith]] to go to [[London]], ostensibly to acquire the equipment necessary for establishing another newspaper in Philadelphia. Finding Keith's promises of backing a newspaper to be empty, Franklin worked as a [[compositor]] in a printer's shop in what is now the [[St Bartholomew-the-Great|Church of St Bartholomew-the-Great]] in the [[Smithfield, London|Smithfield]] area of London. Following this, he returned to Philadelphia in 1726 with the help of a merchant named Thomas Denham, who gave Franklin a position as clerk, shopkeeper, and bookkeeper in Denham's merchant business.<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
Wouldn't the "greatest distance" go around the far side of the Earth, say 21,000 miles ? LOL. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 16:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In 1727, Benjamin Franklin, at age 21, created the Junto, a group of “like minded aspiring artisans and tradesmen who hoped to improve themselves while they improved their community." The Junto was a discussion group for issues of the day; it subsequently gave rise to many organizations in Philadelphia.
:*Nah, the question specified ''from east to west''. [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 18:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Reading was a great past time of the Junto, but books were rare and expensive. The members created a library, and at first they pooled their own books together. This did not work, however, and Franklin came up with the idea of a subscription library, where the members pooled their monetary resources to buy books. This idea was the birth of the Library Company, and the charter of the [[Library Company of Philadelphia]] was created in 1731 by Franklin.
That could be taken as the distance from the East Coast to the West Coast, with no direction specified. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 19:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Originally, the books were kept in the homes of the first librarians, but in 1739 the collection was moved to the second floor of the [[State House of Pennsylvania]], and is now known as [[Independence Hall]]. In 1791, a new building was built for the library specifically. The Library Company flourished without any competition and gained many priceless collections from bibliophiles such as [[James Logan]] and his physician brother William. The Library Company in the twentieth century is a great scholarly and research library because of its 500,000 rare books, pamphlets, and broadsides, more than 160,000 manuscripts, and 75,000 graphic items.
:The question also specified "in Canada". And my interpretations used words like "with its west end on the west coast" in order to cover the "far side of the Earth" objection. --Anonymous, 04:10 UTC, January 24.
 
Upon Denham's death, Franklin returned to his former trade. By 1730, Franklin had set up a printing house of his own and had contrived to become the publisher of a newspaper called "[[History of American newspapers|The Pennsylvania Gazette]]". The Gazette gave Franklin a forum for agitation about a variety of local reforms and initiatives through printed essays and observations. Over time, his commentary, together with a great deal of savvy about cultivating a positive image of an industrious and intellectual young man, earned him a great deal of social respect; though even after Franklin had achieved fame as a scientist and statesman, he habitually signed his letters with the unpretentious 'B. Franklin, Printer'.<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
== Ex-patriot Figures ==
 
Franklin was initiated into the local [[Freemason]] lodge in 1731 and became a grand master in 1734, indicating his rapid rise to prominence in Pennsylvania.<ref name=HC>[[The History Channel]], ''Mysteries of the Freemasons: America'', video documentary, August 1, 2006, written by Noah Nicholas and Molly Bedell</ref><ref>http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/franklin_b/franklin_b.html</ref> That same year, he edited and published the first Masonic book in the Americas, a reprint of [[James Anderson]]'s [[Constitutions of the Free-Masons|The Constitutions of the Free-Masons]]. Franklin remained a Freemason throughout the rest of his life.<ref>John C. van Horne, “The History and Collections of the Library Company of Philadelphia,” ''The Magazine Antiques'', v. 170. no. 2: 58-65 (1971).</ref><ref>J.A. Leo Lemay, “Franklin, Benjamin (1706-1790),” ''Oxford Dictionary of National Biography'', ed. H.C.G. Matthew and Brian Harrison (Oxford: OUP, 2004).[http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/52466]</ref>
I was wondering if anyone had any statistics on the number of Americans currently living abroad, preferrably ordered from the country with the greatest number of Americans to the least. Even a top 10 or 20 list would be useful. Thanks for the help.
:can't help, but you'll get further if you look for ''expatriates''. A lot of them are still probably patriotic Americans. I hate to recommend (gasp!) a book, but this sort of fact can probably be found in an up-to-date "Information Please Almanac" or "World Almanac and Book of Facts". There may also be online versions...? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
===Deborah Read===
::If you're writing a report, you need to spell the word "expatriate". (Might help you look for figures, too). - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 05:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
In 1724, while a boarder in the Read home, Franklin had courted [[Deborah Read]] before going to London at Governor Keith's request. At that time, Miss Read's mother was wary of allowing her daughter to wed a seventeen-year old who was on his way to London. Her own husband having recently died, Mrs. Read declined Franklin's offer of marriage.<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
You might also check relevant U.S. gov departments such as Immigration and Naturalization or State. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 07:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
While Franklin was in London, Deborah married a man named John Rodgers. This proved to be a regrettable decision. Rodgers shortly avoided his debts and prosecution by fleeing to [[Barbados]], leaving Deborah behind. With Rodgers' fate unknown, and bigamy illegal, Deborah was not free to remarry formally.
== Patience of medici ==
 
Franklin had his own actions to ponder. In 1730, Franklin acknowledged an illegitimate son named [[William Franklin|William]], who would eventually become the last Loyalist governor of [[New Jersey]]. While the identity of William's mother remains unknown, perhaps the responsibility of an infant child gave Franklin a reason to take up residence with Deborah Read. William was raised in the Franklin household but eventually broke with his father over the treatment of the colonies at the hands of the crown. However, he was not above using his father's fame to enhance his own standing.
what is the patience of medici and how it works?
 
Franklin established a [[common-law marriage]] with Deborah Read on [[September 1]], [[1730]]. Benjamin and Deborah Franklin had two children (in addition to raising William). The first was Francis Folger Franklin, born October 1732; he died of [[smallpox]] in 1736. [[Sarah Franklin Bache|Sarah Franklin]], nicknamed Sally, was born in 1743. She eventually married [[Richard Bache]], had seven children, and cared for her father in his old age.
Here's some URL I found:
 
Deborah's fear of the sea meant that she never accompanied Franklin on any of his extended trips to Europe, despite his repeated requests.
[http://www.aworld.ru/maska/forumsp4463a.htm www.aworld.ru]
[http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13455&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=30 LD4All]
and an old one which isn't accessible anymore:
 
===Success as author===
[http://p222.ezboard.com/fsorceryfrm17.showMessage?topicID=713.topic ezboard's forum]
In 1733, Franklin began to issue the famous ''[[Poor Richard's Almanac]]'' (with content both original and borrowed) on which much of his popular reputation is based. Adages from this almanac such as "A penny saved is twopence dear" (often misquoted as "A penny saved is a penny earned") and "Fish and visitors stink in three days" remain common quotations in the modern world. Wisdom in folk society meant the ability to provide an apt adage for any occasion, and Franklin's readers became well prepared. He sold about ten thousand copies per year.<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
referenced in this google's cache:
 
In 1758, the year in which he ceased writing for the Almanac, he printed ''Father Abraham's Sermon''. [[The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin|Franklin's autobiography]], published after his death, has become one of the classics of the genre.
[http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:2KMEo8Y-CwQJ:pub247.ezboard.com/fsorceryfrm17+fsorceryfrm17&hl=en&start=1 google's cache]
and a part of the last one maybe:
 
===Inventions and scientific inquiries===
"His magic studies caused lively interest the kingly persons, and Mary Medici was one of the admirers. To the experts of card games is known the patience of Medici - surprising magic patience,whose secret passed to it from the Di. There is nothing surprising in the..."
Franklin was a prodigious inventor. Among his many creations were the lightning rod, the glass harmonica, the Franklin stove, bifocal glasses, and the flexible urinary catheter. Franklin never patented his inventions; in his autobiography he wrote, "[A]s we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously."<ref>{{cite book|title=The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin|chapter=Part three|author=Benjamin Franklin|url=http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/autobiography/page55.htm}}</ref>
 
In 1743, Franklin founded the [[American Philosophical Society]] to help scientific men discuss their discoveries. He began the electrical research that, along with other scientific inquiries, would occupy him for the rest of his life, in between bouts of politics and moneymaking.<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
(retrieved from various metasearch)
 
[[Image:BenFranklin Waterspout 1806.jpg|thumb|180px|right|An illustration from Franklin's paper on "[[waterspout|Water-spouts]] and Whirlwinds."]]
thanks for any answer. greg.
In 1748, he retired from printing and went into other businesses. He created a partnership with his foreman, David Hall, which provided Franklin with half of the shop's profits for 18 years. This lucrative business arrangement provided leisure time for study, and in a few years he had made discoveries that gave him a reputation with the educated throughout Europe and especially in France.
[[User:83.214.15.209|83.214.15.209]] 02:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
These include his investigations of electricity. Franklin proposed that "vitreous" and "resinous" electricity were not different types of "electrical fluid" (as electricity was called then), but the same electrical fluid under different pressures. He was the first to label them as [[electrical charge|positive and negative]] respectively,<ref>[http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/FranklinBenjamin.html]</ref> and he was the first to discover the principle of conservation of charge.<ref>[http://www.physchem.co.za/Static%20Electricity/Charge.htm]</ref> In 1750, he published a proposal for an experiment to prove that lightning is electricity by flying a [[kite]] in a [[storm]] that appeared capable of becoming a [[lightning]] storm. On [[May 10]], [[1752]], [[Thomas-François Dalibard]] of France conducted Franklin's experiment (using a 40-foot-tall iron rod instead of a kite) and extracted electrical sparks from a cloud. On [[June 15]], Franklin conducted his famous kite experiment [[Saint Stephen's Church, Philadelphia#Franklin|in Philadelphia]] and also successfully extracted sparks from a cloud (unaware that Dalibard had already done so, 36 days earlier). Franklin's experiment was not written up until [[Joseph Priestley]]'s 1767 ''History and Present Status of Electricity''; the evidence shows that Franklin was insulated (not in a conducting path, since he would have been in danger of [[electric shock|electrocution]] in the event of a lightning strike). (Others, such as Prof. [[Georg Wilhelm Richmann]] of [[St. Petersburg, Russia]], were electrocuted during the months following Franklin's experiment.) In his writings, Franklin indicates that he was aware of the dangers and offered alternative ways to demonstrate that lightning was electrical, as shown by his use of the concept of [[ground (electricity)|electrical ground]]. If Franklin did perform this experiment, he did not do it in the way that is often described, flying the kite and waiting to be struck by lightning, (as it would have been [http://www.mos.org/sln/toe/kite.html dramatic but fatal]). Instead he used the kite to collect some electric charge from a storm cloud, which implied that lightning was electrical.
:This isn't an answer as such, but it may give some clues... patience (known in some countries as solitaire) is a form of card game played by one person. So far so good, but... there are numerous connections between the Medicis and the use of the Tarot deck, so I suspect that that is used rather than the standard 52-card deck used today (and which at least partly developed from it). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 05:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
<P>On [[October 19]] in a letter to England explaining directions for repeating the experiment, Franklin wrote:
== Genghis Khan ==
<blockquote>
Hi, This is my first time so I'm not sure how this works. I had surgery so it's been very hard for me to find the answers to these three questions that are needed on 01/23/06. Can you please help? The questions are as follows: 1. Khan's empire at the time of his death extended across Asia, from the Pacific Ocean to the Caspian Sea - Name one civilization conqered by the Khan as an example of that empire. 2. His descendants extended the empire and maintained power in the region for several hundred years - This period is called the Pax Mongolica by modern historians. Describe that period. 3. His grandson, Kubilai Khan - Name one event in his reign beyond having lots of descendants and establishing the Yuan Dynasty. *I hope you will respond and thanks for your help. Sonja Sharpe
"When rain has wet the kite twine so that it can conduct the electric fire freely, you will find it streams out plentifully from the key at the approach of your knuckle, and with this key a phial, or Leiden jar, maybe charged: and from electric fire thus obtained spirits may be kindled, and all other electric experiments [may be] performed which are usually done by the help of a rubber glass globe or tube; and therefore the sameness of the electrical matter with that of lightening completely demonstrated."<ref> Wolf, A., ''History of Science, Technology, and Philosophy in the Eighteenth Century'' (New York, 1939) p.232</ref>
 
</blockquote>
:Look at our [[Ghengis Khan]], [[Kublai Khan]], and [[Pax Mongolica]] articles. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 05:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
::If they don't help, [[Homework]] might. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 13:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== What does 'habits of inquiry' mean ? ==
 
"Habits of inquiry" till the patterns of behavior you develop to learn things, especially in school. They might include asking questions and praticipating in class discussion, using the library, and even performing experiments. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 13:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
[[User:83.214.15.209|83.214.15.209]] 05:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
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THIS IS NOT exactly WHAT I WROTE. Some kid with time on his hands is doing custom editing here. No skin off my teeth, but if some administrator knows how to spank 83.214.15.209, I won't consider it child abuse. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 16:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Asian female philosophers ==
I would like to know more about particular Asian female philosophers - sort of the Asian versions of Simone Weil and Simone de Beauvoir - leading figures in their fields who created fields of enquiry or wrote interesting books and completely dedicated themselves to their work.
Tahnk you very much, --[[User:EuropracBHIT|EuropracBHIT]] 09:07, 23 January 2006 (UTC).
:Perhaps not quite what you're looking for but [[Murasaki Shikibu]] is at least partly credited with inventing the novel. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 14:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:: If the question about literature in general, look at [[Mirabai]], [[Arundhati Roy]], [[Mahadevi Varma]], [[Shobha De]], [[Jhumpa Lahiri]], [[Amrita Pritam]], [[Anita Desai]], [[Kamala Das]], etc. [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 00:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Andrew Johnson and Reconstruction ==
 
Was there any direct effect upon Reconstruction Period with the impeachment of Andrew Johnson?
:See [[Andrew Johnson]], specifically the section on his impeachment. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 19:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Obtaining copies of British naturalisation papers ==
 
Can you please tell me how one can get copies of British naturalisation papers of people who arrived in England during the 1890s. Thank you.
 
: It tells you [http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/intro/migration/records6.htm here]. Lots of other info too. --[[User:BluePlatypus|BluePlatypus]] 19:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Economic expansionism==
Was economic expansionism an ideology of sorts, similar to imperialism? Or was it merely a historical process that was, ideologically, just a subset of manifest destiny. Lastly, can economic expansionism ever be considered imperialistic in any way? Thank you--[[User:Urthogie|Urthogie]] 19:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:That depends. [[Marxism]] maintains that capitalism has an inherent difference between wage and cost that can only be satisfied, without revolution, by continual economic expansion, and such expansion requires territorial control and subjugation. Therefore, according to Marxists, all capitalism is inherently imperialist and economic expansion is an ideology. Even without Marxist theory, economic expansionism inevitably seems to enunciate a set of ideological principles as a second order of business, and ''generally'' these are imperialist, whether we're talking about [[Manifest Destiny]] or the great Southern Empire that the [[Confederate States of America]] anticipated or, arguably, the [[Monroe Doctrine]] (which was purportedly a denial of colonialism but has been alledged to be a colonialist contesting of another colonialism, substituting economic imperialism for state imperialism). However, economic expansion is not knowingly imperial. It is the need to grow and is an impulse. The ideology comes later. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 22:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== The Matrix trilogy ==
 
What is the significance of the sunglasses? It seems like most of the main characters are wearing them, even when fighting, and they rarely come off accidentally.
 
On a side note, how do Morpheus's sunglasses stay on? They have no arms to loop around the ears.
 
:For the most part, they simply increase the mystery around the main characters, the agents etc. They also help viewers distinguish [[bluepill]]s from [[redpill]]s and in the [[Agent (The Matrix)|Agents']] cases, they also make the agents look like the [[men in black]]. [[Agent Smith]]'s sunglasses also gradually change in form as he becomes more of a rogue program to look less like those of other agents and more like Neo. (Why do I know loads about sunglasses in [[the Matrix]] and nothing about [[Mandarin Chinese|useful]] [[long division|stuff]]? :) )<font style="color:#00BB55"><u><b>s</b>murray</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><u>inch</u></font>[[WP:EA|<font style="color:green">'''''e'''''</font>]]<font style="color:#00AA77"><u>ster</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><sup>([[User:Smurrayinchester|User]]), ([[User talk:Smurrayinchester|Talk]])</sup></font> 20:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Morpheus's sunglasses are "[[pince-nez]]" (French for "pinch nose") glasses, meaning they stay on by pinching the bridge of the nose. The good guys (Neo, Morpheus, etc.) wear round or curved sunglasses. The baddies (Agents, Cypher, The Twins) wear sunglasses with corners. When Smith returns in ''Reloaded'' his sunglasses are the same shape as Neo's, but with sharp corners like an Agent's. --[[User:Canley|Canley]] 01:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:They're also good [[product placement]]. --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 03:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::To be good product placement, the brand name must be clearly visible. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 14:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Plus they help to hide [[Keanu Reeves]]' perpetually glazed, mindless and expressionless eyes. And sunglasses look cool. [[User:Proto|Proto]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Proto|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Proto|c]]</small> 11:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Who said this quote? ==
 
I know that in the song "Your Ex-Lover is Dead," the Stars use the following quote: "When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire."
Who originally said this quote? I know it's been around for years, and it's one of my favorite quotes, but I would very much like to know who said it first.
:I thought it was the singer's father? At least I'm pretty sure he ''read'' the line. --[[User:Tothebarricades.tk|Tothebarricades]] 06:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::Aye, [[Torquil Campbell]]'s father uttered these famous words. http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/whatson/aotd/aotd_stars_fire.shtml --[[User:195.194.74.92|195.194.74.92]] 15:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Boyfriend Advice ==
 
I don't have any older brothers or sisters, so I figured I should ask here, so I have something to tell my little sisters. How can I tell if the guy I like likes me back? We always say hi to each other, and we talk all during the classes I have with him. He doesn't have a girlfriend, and we are friends. We flirt casually, but our lockers are right next to each other. I don't want to ask him out and have him say no, because that would be so awkward. Should I or shouldn't I ask him?
If this helps at all, I live in the southwest. Are guys different around the country?
 
:It's impossible to tell from a description like that how somebody feels about you - remember, you're hardly an unbiased observer. He *might* be interested in going out with you (and be too awkward to figure out how to ask himself, which is a relatively common phenomenon amongst teenage boys) but then again he might be happy to flirt with you because he think there's no chance of a relationship.
 
:In any case, relationships are always awkward, and rejection is always unpleasant, but unless you ask you'll never know. Only you can make a decision as to whether you want to ask this specific boy out, but, tell me, are you never going to ask *anyone* out because it would be "too awkward"?
 
:If you do decide to ask him out, put a little bit of thought into doing so; for instance, have some thought as to where you might like to ask him out on a date (what kind of movies does he like, for instance?), and whatever you do ask him in private; don't ask a male about *anything* related to their emotions in front of their friends, particularly their male friends (and, yes, this applies to the "sensitive" ones too...). And finally, though it may be hard, have a bit of a think about what you'll do if he says "no"; you may feel like it, but running off with tears running down your cheeks is probably going to make reestablishing a friendship much harder than remaining calm. If you want to have a cry, don't do so in front of him!
 
:Oh, and teenage boys are essentially the same everywhere - they have hormones running like crazy through their bodies and their brains are trying and failing to catch up...
 
:Good luck and I hope it works out for you whatever you decide to do. And please note, my only qualifications for giving this advice is that I was a teenage boy once... --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 03:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
It sure sounds to me like he likes you. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 06:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
It might also make a difference what type of guy is he. Is he outgoing with lots of friends who invite him to all the parties and play on the football team with him? Has he had lots of girlfriends in the past? If this is the case, he would ask you out by now if he were interested, and all you can do is turn up the flirting a notch or two and hope for the best. On the other hand, is he shy? More inclined toward writing for the school paper or writing songs on his guitar? Has he had very few (or no) girlfriends? Then it might be best for you to just ask him out, as Robert outlined above. Good luck! — [[User:BrianSmithson|BrianSmithson]] 19:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:You might be interested in a question called '''Dating question''' above. [[User:Black Carrot|Black Carrot]] 13:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Naturalized Epistemology ==
 
Hi, Can someone explain to me what exaclty is the 'anti-psychologism' of Kant Frege and Hegel? and what does the whole naturalized epistemology vs. the other epistemology which I don't know what is called, is about? because I don't udnerstand really what each says and how it contradicts the other one.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 21:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Assuming you've seen our article on [[anti-psychologism]], perhaps I can paraphrase it. The theory says that [[tautology#logical tautology|logical truth]] does not depend on the content of human ideas. So a proponent of anti-psychologism would expect an alien with no knowledge of human culture to agree with the logic of a statement such as "All crows are either black, or they are not black". The opposing viewpoint is that these truths are partly human constructs.
 
:[http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology/#ADD] has a useful introduction to epistemology, which discusses various theories. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 12:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I see... Anti-psychologism sounds pretty rational to me ...so why then is Kant considered an idealist? and how come Ayn Rand despised him so much when by that I can see he was pretty rational? at least in his epystemology.
so I assume that ''naturalized epistemology'' says that logic is a human construct? since NE is supposed to be the opposite of anti-psychologism...but to me it sounds by their names like they should be the opposite, I mean, NE should mean that logic has a basis in reality and not culture, and anti-ps. should be the opposite of that, just judging by their names, but I'm wrong and now even more conffused.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 19:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:As our article on [[naturalized epistemology]] says, it covers a range of viewpoints, but all essentially say that logic is derived in part from empirical science and is not something with which people are born with an understanding of. So it is a counterpart to anti-psychologism, if not exactly its opposite. Kant is an idealist in the sense given at the top of the [[idealism]] article, that "Epistemological idealists might insist that the only things which can be directly known for certain are ideas." I'm not familiar with Rand's views on the subject, but it seems they were expressed in ''[[Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology]]'', and there's a substantial article at [[objectivist epistemology]] dealing with Rand's views. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 15:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
And what would be my philosophy if I thought that in fact we can only know ideas but still think that that isn't a useful position practically? I mean, I think we work best under the Naturalized Epistemology supposition, but the other one might as well be true. is there any name for that?--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 18:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Evolutionary Creationism and Deism ==
 
Because of the debate between creation and evolution, some people say that God first created the earliest and simplest life forms, and then, he slowly allowed or influenced them to evolve into more complex ones like us.This is called evolutionary creationism.But the problem with this belief is that then, you have explain why if God(or a god) decided to create life, he would create it that way.I wonder, is there a possible reason why God would do that?If so, can somebody tell me?
Another strange belief is deism.Deism is a philosophy wich says that God created the world, but after he created that, he left it strictly alone.It says that God exists, but he doesn't do anything to change,influence or intervene in the world.Deists compare God to a watchmaker, who after he creates it, lets it function by itself.But the problem with deism, again, is why.Why would God(or a god) create a universe and then just leave it alone?In Wikipedia, it said that deists believe that it's because the best of all possible worlds has been created.Is that saying that deists believe that the world is perfect?Of course, it's obviously not!Also, that doesn't explain why God decided to create the world in the first place.So would God(if he exists) really create the world and leave it alone?
 
[[Media:User Bowei]]
 
: ''Well'', for the first bit: that's the conundrum religious people get into if they claim to be able to explain the actions of their God. Since they will always end up with things they can't explain, they always end up with the contradiction of seeming to know exactly what God was thinking in one case, while shrugging and saying "The lord works in mysterious ways" in another. So you really need to adress a more fundamental theological question first: What makes you think humans are capable of fathoming the will of god/the gods? I don't see how Deism is either better or worse than other faiths in that respect. --[[User:BluePlatypus|BluePlatypus]] 23:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I agree with BluePlatypus , and I also think that the best way we have to aproach or guess truth is science, and I also think that we have to be brave and dare to think and reason and never give up, no matter how irrational some things seem sometimes. --[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 19:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
 
:You're both being terribly dismissive of some very intelligent folks. The Deism under discussion is the late form, with the "clockmaker God." The answer to the "problem" is that such a Creator is '''not''' the Abrahamic one; it is a disengaged deity that merely enjoyed the engineering. The other answer, if one did wish to have an Abrahamic vision of the deity and try to force it into this Deism, is that God turned from the natural to the spiritual creation when it was done. The article is, I think, ''terribly'' wrong, and I do plan to fix it, eventually. "Deism" refers to several different things. This sort is the Voltaire version, and the idea is that another created world would be worse. It isn't that this is a wonderful world, but rather that no world could be made better, that every evil is a balance with a good. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 22:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::That's right. The kind of deism Geogre is talking about is strictly the 18th century kind: of the [[Enlightenment]] and heavily influenced by [[Newtonian]] science and therefore both [[empirical]] and [[rational]] (the universe [''and we''] are no more than machines). Let's just say that any deism (intelligent design???) of the 21st century ought to recognize it cannot be Abrahamic (i.e., Jewish, Christian, or Islamic) and that deism fundamentally implies NOT theism = "there is no god interested in you". [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 22:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I've been a little ticked that the [[Deism]] article doesn't take in the Lord Herbert of Cherbury sort or the earlier 18th c. "natural religion" sort. One strand of the thought wanted to survey all world religions, found out what was in common to them all, and then assume that such was the "primitive" and universally true religion (the founding assumption being that the true God communicates to the innate soul and that society and education pervert this and all established churches try to deny it). Another sort wanted to find that religion that could be deduced from the empirical world. Voltaire's version is of that sort, and it's related to some other post-Newtonian religions innovations (like the form of [[hylozoism]] that took life from all sense of privilege and saw it as just another natural phenomenon). These late 18th c. deists were fairly profoundly trying ''not'' to be Christian. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I never said anything against Deism guys, I just said I find science a better tool than aimless speculation, speculation is great, but let's just not make it irrational or aimless even if the univrese turns out to be that way (which I doubt) because we get nothing out of that but a confussed mind... maybe Deism turns out to be true, but like Halcatalyst said, even deism has evolved, so we can expect it to evolve even more I guess...
and yes, I suspect good and evil are balanced but does that mean we can't work for the betterment of our world? it seems to me that you are saying that ''as the world is already the best it can be'' let's do nothing, actually I think that our human condition can be improved and a belief in God is to ignore our own strengths...--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 23:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Agreed. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 13:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Going back to the question... You can't second guess god. That's pretty much the point. But one good reason is that God cares about process over destinations. If god just wanted some folk to worship him, why didn't he just toss people in directly to heaven, without all that silly life business? If all living things eventually die, why not just start them off dead? Why have history, when He could have just painstakingly assembled the world and started it off at a timescale of 5 minutes ago? Because, plausibly, there is some meaning to the idea of experience, choice, and change, and creativity exhibited in life existing outside of God. God wants to be a teacher, perhaps, instead of an operator, a lawmaker instead of a tyrant, a trainer instead of a straitjacket. And besides, why not? God is surely patient enough to wait for evolution to happen.</theological soundbite of the day>--[[User:Fangz|Fangz]] 02:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Absolutely valid position. Intelligent Design goes ''not'' to Deism but to orthodoxy. The idea that the creation of the world's 7 days in Genesis might be 7 billion years goes to orthodox, non-Deist, thinkers. However, this is not really what Voltaire and his deists were going on about. They specifically wanted a rational and non-interventionist and dispassionate God, which is not a Christian, Jewish, or Islamic God. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Another belief similar to the "watchmaker" idea is that "God is dead". That is, God created the universe but at some point ceased to exist. A variation might just have him being "elsewhere" and not concerned with Earth at the moment. Both of these beliefs require God not be omnipotent, of course. They have the advantage of explaining the apparent lack of strong evidence for current direct intervention by God, despite having references in many holy books to frequent direct intervention in people's affairs by God in the past. Skeptics, of course, would just say that those "miracles" were tricks which couldn't hold up to modern scientific scrutiny. One biblical story in particular seems to support this view. Moses supposedly confronted the Pharaoh's priest and both had their staffs turn into snakes, with Moses's snake consuming the others. Now, if one supposes that Moses was able to change his staff into a snake by direct action of God, this brings up the question of how the Pharaoh's priest changed his staff into snakes. Either his god did it (which contradicts the monotheism presented by the Bible) or it was just a "magic trick" (say with hidden snakes up his sleeve). If his was a magic trick, then why couldn't Moses's snake be the same ? [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 13:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Well, of course, it could be. But maybe it wasn't. Maybe there is one god, and he/she/it intervenes whenever he/she/it wills it. Whether we like it or not, and whether we notice it or not. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 15:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I think that God , to be God (the ultimate, because the watchmaker god may also need a ''ground of being'')has to exist and not exist at the same time, thus have a complete diferent and unfathomable kind of existence...so that means we shouldn't bother about metaphysics too much anyway, I mean it's cool to bother about it and try to understand God, but I really think humanity needs to mature and not kill each other because they have a slightly diferent conception of God!, we should just be mature and thank our ''oldest brothers'' which are scientists and try to be like them and contribute to the betterment of life and just be tolerant because we can't claim to know anything, we can only claim to be brave enough to investigate.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 18:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Agree 100% with "a complete diferent and unfathomable kind of existence." One could say that God... no, let's not say God... THAT WHICH IS, or maybe just IS, or maybe no-name, whatever... is (what is the meaning of is?) not only nothing ([[via negativa]]) but beyond [[nothing]]. Ganz andere (totally other) and also Ground of Being (GOB). [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 23:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Harris County ==
 
Can you(or anybody) please give me a map of Harris County in Texas, with all the city limits and city borders shown on it?(Post it on Wikipedia)
 
:Go to www.google.com, pick Images, and type:
 
:"Harris county, Texas" map
 
:and you will find many maps. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 05:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Date of birth ==
 
Do anyone know when ariyan A. johnson was born. she played on the steve heavry shoe
 
:What? Sir/Madam, can you please write more clearly? Let's see, did you say, "Does anyone know when Ariyan A. Johnson was born? She played on ''The Steve Harvey Show''."? If so, the best I can figure is that she was born about 1976. Why? Because, in the film ''Just Another Girl on the I.R.T.'' (1993), she plays a 17-year-old. Of course, knowing the film industry a little too well, the fact that she played a 17-year-old isn't saying much.
*The visitor would do well to go to [http://www.imdb.com IMDB] and looking up the television show. He can then go to the cast list and check the biographies of the actresses. The birthday should be listed there. I don't think Wikipedia has an article on that actress, and her presence may be a little small for a biography at this point. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 15:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
= January 24 =
 
== Time ==
 
Is there any evidence that time exists and is not just a misconception that our minds have created for us?
 
--[[User:24.29.92.197|24.29.92.197]] 00:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:See the article [[Time]]. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 01:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Good question. I remember things that I believe to have occured in the past, and my present sensory experiences seem to agree with them, but really there's no way I can be certain that the past actually existed, because I have no way of experiencing it directly. I highly recommend [[Bertrand Russell]]'s [[The Problems of Philosophy]] for a deeper look at this issue. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::You wouldn't know it from the article on [[Memory|memory]] (written from a psychologist's point of view), but most brain scientists hold that memory is ''reconstructed'' through neural ''associations''. Neurons give "hints" to one another to fire or not. The foundation of human memory is not discrete, like bits in a computer. That's the real reason we can't experience the past directly: It no longer exists for us. The brain operates only in the present. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 03:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:::The movie ''[[What the Bleep Do We Know!?]]'' had an interesting section related to this, namely that the human brain doesn't distinguish between memories of things and visually seeing them. You'll have to watch the movie for a better explanation, as I any explanation I give wouldn't do it justice. {{subst:WAvegetarian/sig}} 04:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::Oh, I hated that movie so much. The quacks and pseudoscience were endurable, but the worst part was when they chopped up the interviews of real physicists to misrepresent their views. It was just awful. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 05:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::Quacks? Psuedoscience? Are you perchance suggesting that housewife wasn't <i>really</i> channelling a 35,000 year old warrior spirit who came from the continent of Lemuria and conquered the city of Atlantis? Pfft. I suppose you think it was more likely that she was just, I dunno, making it all up for fame and money or something. As if! ;) --[[User:Noodhoog|Noodhoog]] 12:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
If you question the existence of time, why not question the existence of the universe ? Perhaps it's all just somebody's dream. Still, even a dream implies that things are changing during the course of the dream, which, of course, requires time. 06:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::"Is there no change of death in paradise?" Wallace Stevens wanted to know.
::Does ripe fruit never fall? Or do the boughs
::Hang always heavy in that perfect sky,
::Unchanging, yet so like our perishing earth,
::With rivers like our own that seek for seas
::They never find, the same receding shores
::That never touch with inarticulate pang?
::[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 14:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:That gave me goosebumps! I need to read more [[Wallace Stevens]]. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 17:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Well, hey, nobody's stopping you! ;P In the combination of language and ideas I've found no peer to Stevens. He wanted to... not find... not just believe in... not create, exactly... but by means of words to co-create reality, what he called the "supreme fiction." He knew it had to be ordered, somehow.
:::Oh! Blessed rage for order, pale Ramon,
:::The maker's rage to order words of the sea,
:::Words of the fragrant portals, dimly-starred,
:::And of ourselves and of our origins,
:::In ghostlier demarcations, keener sounds.
::From "The Idea of Order at Key West," found at [http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Poetry/Stevens/The_Idea_of_Order_at_Key_West.html]
 
::A few of his best-known poems, including "Sunday Morning" (quoted in the next-to-last passage above), "Anecdote of the Jar,""The Emperor of Ice-Cream," Peter Quince at the Clavier, "The Snow Man," and "Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird" are found at [http://www.web-books.com/Classics/Poetry/Anthology/Stevens_W web-books.com].<br>
::[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 22:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Stevens is absolutely ''sui generis,'' and none of the people who imitated him have even succeeded in aping him, IMO. (I once had a student write of "The Anecdote of the Jar," "The white man had not yet settled east Tennessee in 1924.") Stevens was quite hostile to Christianity, and I've always thought that was strange, and he himself had a bit of an inferiority complex according to some anecdotes from Donald Hall. Magnificent poet, though, and the only methadone for the morphine of Stevens that I've found has been [[A. R. Ammons]]. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Yes, he was hostile to Christianity, but he
:::*often heavily uses its major symbols, e.g., the day is
::::Stilled for the passing of her dreaming feet
::::Over the seas, to silent Palestine,
::::Dominion of the blood and sepulchre.
:::::("Sunday Morning")
:::*retells and interprets stories from the Bible ("Peter Quince at the Clavier"),
:::*and even alludes to patristic fathers (Jerome), "Notes Toward a Supreme Fiction," III.1),
:::*always asking, "What am I to believe?" (ibid., III.viii).
::To me, his quest was always religious, never atheistic; he was always a pilgrim, a seeker, skeptical though he may have been. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 12:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Indeed, those between the wars (i.e. [[Modernism]]) were constantly seeking Order, whether in Marxism or Fascism, and those immediately after the war rejected the quest for Order in favor of the individual (from the early Sartre and Camus on to the 1950's and [[Beat poetry]] and its desire for a mystical persona to the 1960's retreat to [[Confessional poetry]]).
:However, on the subject of the question, the reader could consider [[Henri Bergson]] in addition to the usual run of names ([[Augustine of Hippo]] ''et al.''). [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 13:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Freud and Lenau ==
 
In [[The Interpretation of Dreams]], [[Sigmund Freud]] makes a reference to a poem by [[Nikolaus Lenau]] "which puts infanticide and the prevention of children on the same plane." What is this work? And, what other figures have put forward the same argument? --[[User:Tothebarricades.tk|Tothebarricades]] 05:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Here's an extensive list of [http://www.litlinks.it/l/lenau.htm the texts] of Lenau's lyrics and other works (in German) on the Web. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 20:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:According to the Joyce Crick translation of ''Dreams'', the most likely poem Freud was referring to is "[http://gutenberg.spiegel.de/lenau/gedichte/toteglck.htm Das tote Glück]" ("Dead Happiness"), though, as the footnote says, "seems to be about infanticide; it could imply abortion, but not contraception." --[[User:Fastfission|Fastfission]] 03:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== California Highway Patrol Jurisdiction ==
 
Can the CHP pull me over on a side street? They did.... Was it legal? What is their jurisdiction?
 
:''The agency has specific jurisdiction over all California state routes, U.S. Highways and Interstate highways, and also serves as a statewide patrol force, especially in unincorporated and lightly populated areas of the state.'' --from [[California Highway Patrol#Highway Patrol Duties]] --[[User:Jh51681|jh51681]] 06:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::(after edit conflict) Was the place that you got pulled over anything like what is described in the first sentence of the "Highway patrol duties" section of the [[California Highway Patrol]] article? If so, I'd say, yes, they were more than likely within their jurisdiction. And think about it from their point of view. If they weren't in their jurisdiction then why waste their time giving you a ticket that they know will be thrown out of court when the judge finds out that they were overstepping their bounds? I'd consult a lawyer if I were you though since I'm just some idiot on the internet. [[User:Dismas|Dismas]]|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Is [[Joe Torres]] dead? ==
 
Given that the article says he is, but doesn't give a source, is he? [[User:Alphax|Alphax]]&nbsp;<sup >[[User talk:Alphax|&tau;]][[Special:Emailuser/Alphax|&epsilon;]][[Special:Contributions/Alphax|&chi;]]</sup > 14:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Try Google... [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22joe+torres%22+%22kidney+failure%22&btnG=Search] --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 15:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::Alright, but is there are ''citable'' source which confirms this, eg. Social Security or an obituary? [[User:Alphax|Alphax]]&nbsp;<sup >[[User talk:Alphax|&tau;]][[Special:Emailuser/Alphax|&epsilon;]][[Special:Contributions/Alphax|&chi;]]</sup > 09:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== life slave ==
 
a realitive of mine save the life of a young chinese woamen during ww1 she was cut and bleeding he patched her and saved her life. i often heard her call him master when they thought they were alone so one of the last times i saw them i asked her she was much easier to talk to then he was he saved my life he is my master. when you save some ones life there life is yours he saved my life when i was seven he was seventeen he would not take me then though i wanted to prove my worth he finaly consented to me being his mate after i had blosemed the first time. but i have always done my best to keep master happy.
just how popular was this life slave and how deeply imbeded was it and was it like she said till her master dies and beyound. for she killed her self once her master was buried and all things taken care of
 
:Your writing is very hard to read. You need to learn to use capitalization properly and learn proper sentence structure so we can understand you. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 14:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::I can't find a question mark in that whole block of text, so I'm assuming there's no question. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 17:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Is the idea of a "Life Slave" that this person has encountered personally have antecedents anywhere? I guess that would be the question. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 17:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::I've heard of this concept before, but thought it was fictional, not real. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::Let me take a shot at rewriting it in actual English:
 
A relative of mine saved the life of a young Chinese girl during WW1. She was cut and bleeding and he patched her up and saved her life. I often heard her call him "master" when she thought they were alone. Then, one of the last times I saw them, I asked her about this. She was much easier to talk to then and said "He saved my life so he is my master. When you save someone's life their life is yours. He saved my life when I was seven and he was seventeen. He would not take me then, even though I wanted to prove my worth. He finally consented to me being his mate after I had blossomed the first time. But I have always done my best to keep master happy."
 
Just how common was this life-slave practice and how deeply imbedded was it ? And was it like she said: "'til her master dies and beyond" ? (She killed herself once her master was buried and all his affairs were taken care of.)
 
::::[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 19:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Tha Stu! I think the condition of that woman was not slavery nor sexploitation, as she thought it was mere justice to stay with the guy that saved her life when she was 7. Also, devotion from a woman to her husband is not uncommon.
::Think of the way of life amongst chinese people and of the lack of good translation for a chinese word (dharma, obligation, and also, why not, ''slavery'') "Slavery is a condition in which one person, known as a Slave, is ''under the control'' of another" ([[Slave_trade|Slave trade]]). --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 19:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::I would think it obvious that if you look at things chronologically the earliest occurrence of this was [[Wookie|a long time ago]] [[Life debt|in a galaxy far, far away]]. [[User:ConMan|Confusing Manifestation]] 13:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Canada elections ==
 
How come the Conservative Party is in charge? I am an American and slightly confused, it seems to me that the NDP and the Liberals together have more seats than the Conservatives so why don't they work together? arent they both left parties?
 
:See [[Canadian federal election, 2006]]. It has plenty of info on the issues and parties involved. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 15:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
While a Liberal/NDP coalition or deal would be possible, it is parliamentary tradition that the party that gets the largest number of seats gets the first crack at forming a government. The Conservatives will have to deal with the other three parties to get legisaltion passed. If the Liberals and NDP formed a coalition or made an agreement for the NDP to support the Liberals, they still would not have enough votes for a majority, so the Liberals would have to make deals with the Conservatives (who would be very pissed off) or the Bloc Quebecois (who are very opposed to the Liberals), which would be very unlikely. [[User:Ground Zero|Ground Zero]] | [[User talk:Ground Zero|t]] 15:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:As the poster infra notes in passing, the Bloc is generally a left-of-center entity, and, so whilst there is surely tension betwixt the LP and BQ as parties, there is less tension on an ideological level, and, so, an LP-BQ-NDP coalition, although surely impractical and wholly unlikely, would not be entirely unrealistic. One observes, for example, that the [http://www.blocquebecois.org/archivage/blq-depsyntese-anglo.pdf BQ platform] for the recent election lends support to, inter al., the expansion of federal funding of university education, the imposition of a surfeit tax on oil company profits, and the implementation of any anti-terror laws carefully, in view of civil liberties concerns; in broad terms, each of these planks may well be found in the platforms of the NDP and LP. [[User:Jahiegel|Joe]] 03:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Canada's [[Parliament of Canada|parliament]] has three parts: the Crown (currently [[Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom|Queen Elizabeth II),]] represented by the [[Governor-General|Governor General]], an appointed [[Canadian Senate|Senate]] and an elected House of Commons.
 
Canada's branches of government relate to each other by an unwritten [[Constitutional convention (political custom)|constitutional convention]] that differs from the US where the powers of the various branches of government are written in to a consitution.
 
By convention, the Governor General is able to exercise the [[Reserve power|reserve powers]] of the Queen, but does so within the context of a strict set of traditions. One of the main jobs of the Governor General is to ensure that the country always has a Prime Minister. By tradition the Governor General asks the leader of the party winning the most seats in the election to try and form a government. The leader then becomes the Prime Minister (once he is sworn in) and the party starts to govern. If the ruling party is defeated in the House of Commons on a [[Motion of Confidence|confidence vote]], the Prime Minister by tradition asks the Governor General to dissolve the House and a general election is called.
 
In 1925 the Governor General ignored tradition and the Prime Minister and asked the party with the next highest number of seats to form a government after the first party was defeated in a confidence vote. Although this was technically within the Governor General's reserve powers, it was outside of tradition and created a [[Constitutional crisis|constitutional crisis]]. This second Prime Minister and his government lasted only a few days.
 
So, the Governor General, in theory could by-pass the Conservatives and ask the Liberals to form a government with the [[New_Democratic_Party|NDP]] and [[Bloc Québécois|Bloc]] (who are both leftest), but this would cause a constitutional crisis and most likely the Liberals would not accept as the Canadian public would punish them severely in any ensuing election for not following tradition. The Queen would also most likely be asked in this case to fire the Governor General (whether she would or not is uncertain, however she would be quite annoyed no doubt by the situation). In the worst-case, it would potentially cause civil war.
 
As an interesting side note, the Governor General is also the commander in chief of the Canadian military.
 
::The above is rather misleading. The important point is that the parliamentary system was not designed to require political parties in the first place. The Governor General (GG) selects as prime minister (PM) a person likely to be able to form a government (i.e. a cabinet) that will to ''command the support of a majority of the Commons''. If there are parties, then that's going to be a party leader, but it doesn't have to be the leader of the party with the most seats. However, by tradition they do get the first try.
 
::In 1926, PM King lost a confidence vote, showing that his government was no longer able to command majority support, and asked for a general election. The GG, Byng, was doing his job when he refused this. ''The PM serves at the convenience of Parliament, not the other way around''; and if Parliament was ready to accept a Meighen government, then it was Byng's job to make Meighen PM. As it turned out, Meighen wasn't able to make a lasting government either; but that doesn't prove it was wrong for him to have the chance. What would have been a real constitutional crisis would have been if he hadn't been allowed to.
 
::In Ontario, a similar situation played out in the provincial legislature in 1985. At the provincial level we say Lieutenant Governor (LG) instead of GG and Premier instead of PM, but the system is the same. In the 1985 election the provincial Progressive Conservatives (PC), Liberals, and New Democrats (NDP) finished with 52, 48, and 25 seats respectively. The premier going into the election was Frank Miller of the PCs, and he tried to form a government, but was defeated on a vote of no confidence at the first opportunity. The Liberals made a deal with the NDP for support; the LG named the Liberal leader, David Peterson, as premier; and Peterson's government lasted. No civil wars, no crises, just a government that could command the support of a majority of the legislature. Of course, Miller didn't make the mistake of asking for a new election.
 
::So returning to the new federal Parliament, Paul Martin could have tried to stay on as Prime Minister if he thought he could command the support of a majority of the Commons -- but the Liberals and NDP would not make up a majority. He'd need the firm backing of the BQ or the Conservatives, neither of which is imaginable. The other parties will be more willing to support the Conservatives, since they do have the most seats and someone has to govern, so Harper becomes PM.
 
::--Anonymous, 11:52 UTC, January 25.
 
:As a side-note the most famous example of a Prime Minister being appointed who didn't lead the largest party, in fact didn't lead any party, was [[Winston Churchill]]. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 19:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== American Politics - The President's Cabinet. ==
 
Is there any information available on whether or not an American President has been less successful or more successful in relation to whether or not his appointed cabinet members are his friends/associates?
 
*[[Doris Kearns Goodwin]] recently wrote a [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684824906/102-6299950-2192162?v=glance&n=283155 well-reviewed book] arguing that Lincoln owed much of his success to choosing not cronies but political rivals for his cabinet.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 17:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:*Yes, and the current President Bush has been criticised for filling his cabinet with "yes men" (and women). Perhaps the only voice of reason in his first term was [[Colin Powell]], and now he's gone, too. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 23:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== China's population 2004 ==
 
I cannot seem to find China's or France's Population in 2004.
Also, in January 17th, 2005 what was the Japanese exchange rate to American dollars?
--[[User:12.215.176.30|12.215.176.30]] 20:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC) Thank you very much!
 
:Try the following link [http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbrank.html]. It is from the US Census Bureau. Type in a year and get a list of country populations. It also lets you get projected future populations. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 02:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Try the following link [http://www.oanda.com/convert/fxhistory]. Enter the date range and currencies and you will get a table of historical exchange rates. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 02:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
= January 25 =
 
== 19th Century Eton College ==
 
I have a rather strange question, I believe. I would like as much information on the King’s Colledge of Our Lady of Eton beside Windsor (as the Wikipedia puts it) as it was about 150 to 200 years ago (1800’s, 19th century). That is, what it looked like, how it was run, what the rules were, what the classes were, what the decor was, what the uniforms were, what the the prevalent ideas of the time at the school were, etc., etc., etc. I am not British, nor have I been to Eton. In fact, I have only been to England once. But I am writing a book in which one of the characters goes to Eton in that time period. Believe me, I wouldn’t have that in the book if I could help it, but it is unavoidable. If you are a historian, an old student (obviously not 200 years old, but still...), a staff member, know others like those, or what have you, I am sure that any and all information you could give me would land me far ahead of where I am now. -[[User:24.17.154.203|24.17.154.203]] 06:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC) Assistance would be deeply appreciated. Deeply.
 
:As a starting point, have you read [[Tom Brown's Schooldays]]? it may be about Rugby rather than Eton, but it's a very famous novel written by a public school alumnus in the period you seek. Beyond that, there must be innumerable written accounts of Eton (seeing the prominence of its alumni). Have you considered contact the college itself with your request? They must have a historian who could point you in the right direction. --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 04:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Thanks, but I don't have a historian (I have no agent, either...). I ''could'' contact the college, but ''goodness!'' that takes guts I don't have. I guess I could ask someone else to, but, you know, I just am not that forward. Isn't it easier to float in anonymity, here on the Wikipedia, with no one knowing or caring who you are? I know, that's a — uh — "lily-livered" thing to say, but anyway, no, I haven't read ''[[Tom Brown's Schooldays]]''. I'll look into other books too. Any other help would, well, help. Anyone?
 
== Ford Focus Commercial -- Music ==
 
Does anyone know the instrumental music playing on a current U.S. Ford Focus commercial? {{unsigned|68.184.170.73|22:00, January 24, 2006}}
 
*Give us more details! I've heard [[Vince Guaraldi]]'s "[[Linus and Lucy]]" used in a Ford commercial, which is a sin against humanity. [[User:Deltabeignet|Deltabeignet]] 05:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Minor question on Saudi royalty ==
 
I have a minor question on Saudi royalty. Abdullah is king and, should he die, the crown prince what-his name becomes king. Is this right? I wasn't really clear on this point. --[[User:Blue387|Blue387]] 07:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Yes, that's what "crown prince" means. [[Abdullah of Saudi Arabia|Abdullah]]'s half brother [[Sultan, Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia|Sultan]] is the current crown prince. See [[King of Saudi Arabia]] for info on how the crown prince is selected. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Relationship between newly married couples ==
 
How many hours per day would a newly married couple have sex between them on an average? (Why I am asking this is that, all these days I was thinking that on an average couples would have sex for half an hour to one hour. But my friend told me that most couples have sex for 3 to 4 hours a day on average). Is is true? I would also like to know how many hours would satisfy a woman.
 
:Everyone is different. But your friend is lying. And as for how many hours would satisfy a woman ... no woman is ever satisfied. Poisonous she-devils that they are. [[User:Proto|Proto]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Proto|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Proto|c]]</small> 09:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::LOL, maybe they just want to cuddle ? I believe the frequency of sex will reduce in any relationship over time, both as the newness of the relationship wears off and due to age. That 3 to 4 hours figure might only last for the "honeymoon period". If they live long enough, sex may stop entirely at some point. This isn't necesarily the end of the relationship, just the end of it's sexual phase. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:I don't know of any good research on this topic - it is rather specific, after all. I'd guess, however, that newly married couples may have sex anywhere from once a day to a couple of times a week. (People have a lot less sex than we tend to think, you see.) Translating that to hours a day: From 1 hour a day to .3 hours a day, say.
 
:Satisfying a woman is not a general question. Every woman, like every man, is different. Talk to the woman you're having sex with and find out what she likes. Nothing like communication and compromise to solve just about every problem in a relationship. --[[User:Antifamilymang|George]] 16:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
There's a great scene in the movie "Annie Hall" - the couple (Allen and Keaton) are shown in split screen, each of them visiting their own therapist. You see her saying "He's insatiable! He just wants sex all the time! Twice a week!". Then you see him saying "I think she's frigid! We hardly ever have sex - only twice a week!" Everyone is different, there is no standard. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 06:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== ratio of entrepreneurs to working population of USA ==
 
What is the ratio of entrepreneurs to working population of USA and the world. Is there any website where the figure for various countries are available?
 
:"Entrepreneur" is a rather vague word, which could mean the founders of Google but could also extend down to a sidewalk hot-dog vendor who owns his own cart. Without a clear definition, coming up with stats would be difficult. Also, I disagree with your characterization of entrepreneurs as nonworkers. Most of them work very hard. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:: I didn't read any such characterization in the question. Entrepreneurs are a subset of all working people. He/she was asking what proportion they are to the whole set. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 11:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Yes, you could read it that way. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::: With respect, your retraction does not go far enough, StuRat. I think it is the only reasonable way to read it. If I asked "What is the ratio of children to human beings", could one infer I thought children were not humans? Of course not. The question was not about the ratio of entrepreneurs to the entire population of the USA, but only to the ''working'' population of the USA. Entrepreneurs are a subset of both populations. Any characterizations were your own invention. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 00:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::It wasn't a retraction. And no, it could have been meant either way. The terms "managers" and "workers" are sometimes used in a mutually exclusive way, for example. Only the author can clarify what they meant. I also notice you seem to delight in attacking people, for, in this case, at worst a minor misunderstanding of the question. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 01:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::: You told the author they had characterized entrepreneurs as nonworkers, when they did no such thing. If you had asked the author whether this was in their mind, I would have had no problem with that. But you didn't ask, you asserted, and you took exception to what you could only have assumed they were thinking. That's why I challenged you. You now admit that only the author can clarify what they meant - but your original answer to the question took the position of knowing what they meant without ever bothering to check with them. It's one thing to read between the lines, it's quite another to assume that as a fact and then criticise the writer for that interpretation, which may have been a million miles from what they were thinking. Your words or anybody else's are not immune from query, and if your statements have merit, they will be able to withstand challenges and queries. I don't resile from the statement that "Any characterizations were your own invention". That was a challenge to your words, not a personal attack on you. I'm sorry if you felt personally attacked; that was certainly not my intention. I reject the claim that I "delight in attacking people". I have no qualms in challenging statements that I disagree with, and I expect the same in return (and get it). Cheers [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 03:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::::If my interpretation was incorrect, that's up to the author to say, as you have no more insight into what they meant than I do. And you do seem to spend far more time criticizing other people's responses than actually responding to questions. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 04:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::::I didn't take the position of claiming to know what was in the questioner's mind; you did that, and in so doing, attributed to them words they never used. That was what I objected to. And I'd do it again, willingly. You'd do the same to me, I'm sure.
 
::::::::A lot of WP editors do nothing but correct the spelling and grammar of other people's work, and nobody has a problem with that. Contrary to appearances, I don't trawl around looking for the next thing to criticise. I'm far too busy [[Special:Contributions/JackofOz|elsewhere]] for that. But lately, there have been a lot of people saying things on the ref desk that I just happen to disagree with, so I'm monitoring it a bit more closely than usual. Maybe my planets of communication are retrograde at the moment, or whatever. WP is all about debate, disagreement, discussion, negotiation, to arrive at something we can all agree on. These principles apply just as much in the ref desk as they apply to our articles. People come here seeking answers, and we have a duty not to mislead them, or even be discourteous to them. We can all play our part in ensuring such an outcome, and I play mine in my unique way. Can my approach be improved? Of course. Is this true of just about everybody else? Of course.
 
::::::::Anyway, thanks for toning down your earlier accusation that I "delighted in atacking people" (which was objectionable and inaccurate) to "criticising other people's responses" (which I can live with). [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 06:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::::::Perhaps I toned it down too much. I meant to say you engage in overwhelmingly negative criticism, with very little positive to say to anyone. This is what I object to. Specifically, in addition to your widespread negative criticism of me, you also had negative comments for BluePlatypus under Science, Language and Miscellaneous, causing him to accuse you of making personal attacks against him. You also had negative comments for Kainaw and Freshgavin in Science, Zafirofbloe05 in Language, and both DirkvdM and Yeltensic in Miscellaneous. This seems to be going a bit overboard to me. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:There were about [http://www.census.gov/csd/sbo/state/st00.HTM 23 million businesses] in the US in 2002, and presumably about that number of business owners. That's I think something more than 10% of the working population.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 16:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Let's not forget that a lot of people do both - i.e. they run a business and also do unrelated paid work. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 19:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Movie about college grads ==
 
A few years ago I saw a movie about a group of friends who were graduating from college and feeling lost trying to figure out what to do with their lives. I'm trying to figure out what movie it was. It seemed like it was made in the 80s or early 90s. I remember it having John Cusack in it, but I've searched his filmography and can't find it so maybe I'm wrong. I know it had this other actor whose name I don't know but who looks like Craig Kilborn and was in quite a few cheesy 80s movies. In this movie he played a guy who had been in college for something like 7 years. So...any ideas? Thanks, [[User:Adamkonner|Adam Konner]] 07:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
:''[[St. Elmo's Fire (film)|St. Elmo's Fire]]''? If that wasn't it, you may want to look over the films that the [[Brat pack]] filmed. If it came out in the 80's then there's a fairly good chance that it had one of the members of the pack in it. [[User:Dismas|Dismas]]|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Could you be thinking about [[The Big Chill (film)|''The Big Chill'']] (1983)? --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 17:26, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Question about Dutch culture ==
 
Is it okay in the Netherlands to gift someone a DVD after watching it (i.e., after taking off its plastic cover) ? [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 09:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Yes. [[User:David Sneek|David Sneek]] 11:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:I would say: depends. If it's a DVD I really like, but is really hard to obtain, and you have it, and you give it to me (even though you like it), I would say: okay. If it's a DVD you received as a gift, watched one time and really didn't like, then I would say I would not find that especially. Merely giving someone something because you're too stingy (Yeah, I know the Dutch are the ones who are supposed to be stingy) to buy a real present and hence give something away that you don't care about anyway is not so cool. I rarely, if ever, give people used stuff, or re-give presents. [[User:Berteun|Berteun]] 11:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:It's probably in as bad taste in the Netherlands as it is anywhere else on the planet Earth. You can certainly give a used DVD to a friend, but to call it a gift (Christmas, birthday, etc.) seems quite gauche. --[[User:Nricardo|Nelson Ricardo]] 11:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I would think it would be more acceptable for a DVD than other items, since the quality of the movie should not be reduced by playing it. Also, assuming it's in excellent condition, the fact that it's "used" may not be apparent. They might think you just removed the wrapper to make it easier for them. For some new gifts, I intentionally open them beforehand; to check for missing parts, assemble them, test them, or burn off that horrid residue that fills a house with a burning smell the first time a new cooking appliance is used (why can't they eliminate that at the factory ?). [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
* Yeah, if I got a DVD with the shrinkwrap removed as a present, I'd just assume they'd removed the shrinkwrap to get rid of the price-sticker or something. As long as there's no visible wear, I wouldn't notice or mind. --[[User:BluePlatypus|BluePlatypus]] 16:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:: Thanks! I guess I'll watch it before gifting. [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 05:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Origin of an Islamic story. ==
 
I heard the following Islamic anecdote, or legend perhaps. A man goes travelling, but knowing his wife is pregnant, he says to God (or Allah): please take care of the baby. After he returns he finds out that his wife died and has been buried. He goes to the burial ground and digs her up, and finds the baby alive and the mother only partially. He then hears a voice that tells him that that which he trusted to God, God gave him back. But as he only asked for the baby and not the mother, the mother died.
 
After some Googling, I've found a German article [http://www.nzz.ch/2005/10/18/fb/articleD8423.html], a review of the book ‘Der Schrecken Gottes’ (The terror of God) which mentions that it is ascribed to [[Umar ibn al-Khattab]]. Umar is a prominent Islamic figure, yet, I could not find the legend in other places (the review says it's in the reviewed book, but as I'm not living in Germany German bookstores and/or libraries do not abound, so I cannot check it). The story intrigues me though, so, if someone knows it, or knows the details, it's origin, or is able to find a webpage, I would be thankful.
 
:Maybe that explains why Muslims must pray 5 times a day...if they fail to ask Allah to protect anyone they know Allah will punish them by killing that person. Also, note the male bias in this story. There is no mention that his wife needed to pray to Allah to preserve his life. The subtle implication is that a man's prayers to Allah are more important than a woman's prayers. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::I don't see that implication. Please try and keep away from expressing personal opinions about the shortcomings of a religion. [[User:Proto|Proto]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Proto|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Proto|c]]</small> 12:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::I provide balance by expressing comments about the shortcomings of all religions equally, LOL. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::: That does not make your comments less inflammatory. Let's avoid stirring up people's irrational sides, especially when this is not in a response to a direct question, shall we? --[[User:Ornil|Ornil]] 17:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::The baby is more important in every culture and religion and animal species too. Do not try to find faults - in our acception of the term - where the story only talks about faith and life. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 18:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Sooooo... is anyone actually going to answer the posted question? =/ —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Population of Derbyshire in England in the 1900s and 1910s ==
 
Can anyone please tell me what was the total population of Derbyshire in England in the 1900s and the 1910s? Thank you.
:That should be available via the census. Wikipedia does not assemble census data, but the UK government has most of its historical census data online and certainly in print form. If you are in the UK, any central library should be able to get you the census from 1900 or 1910, and then you need to merely look at the various county populations. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 20:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Try [[http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/populhome.html]]. [[User:Jameswilson|Jameswilson]] 00:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Thank you for the answer. It was most helpful.
 
:The 1901 population was 620,322, according to an old Encyclopedia Britannica. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 06:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Roosma, Märt ==
 
I am seeking any information available on the artist Mart Roosma. I believe he worked mainly in watercolor. I have located one piece done by him in the mid 40s. I believe he was Estonian, but I'm not certain. Any and all information available would be greatly apprecaited. Also, I would need for it to be presented in English.
 
Thank you for your assistance in this matter.
 
Mary M. Hunsicker
Valley Center, CA USA
 
:Google doesn't seem to be a great help in this case. The first link found [http://www.sirp.ee/Arhiiv/01.10.99/Kunst/kunst1-4.html] contains a passing mention of the man, and suggests he did portraits. The second link is the third link [http://www.rios.ee/eshop/?lang=1&cat_id=39&search=roosma&sort=name&sort_d=A] and is a shop, offering one of his paintings ([http://www.rios.ee/eshop/detail.php?lang=1&cat_id=0&product_id=140&pid=496&search=roosma&view=zoom this painting]) for 350 euro's.
:Other than that, Google is silent. Sorry. -- [[User talk:Ec5618|Ec5618]] 09:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== whats the difference between nirvana & moksha in hinduism ? ==
 
thats it [[User:Hhnnrr|Hhnnrr]] 20:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:See [[nirvana]] and [[moksha]]. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 21:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
i have , but they seem very similar to me and i was wondering if someone who has a good understanding of hinduism could give me the differnce in a summarized manner .. thank you , but i still need help
 
:Sure. Moksha is a relase/separation from the cycle of life-death-reincarnation-life-death... In other words, an immortal. To my knowledge, all of the gods in Hinduism have achieved Moksha and are immortal. Of course, there has to be stories about some god who did something wrong and was sent back into the cycle of life. Nirvana on the other hand is one step further to nothingness. People who try to relate it to Heaven have trouble understanding this. It is not Heaven - that would be Moksha. It is beyond that. It is a state of non-existence. So, it is an escape from everything. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 01:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::I think nirvana is realization of non-dual reality, or in other words absorbtion into everything, rather than escape from everything.
 
:::It literally means ''to extinguish'', as in to extinguish one's existence. Some have claimed that it means to extinguish one's existence in our current realm of being and move on one's true self - so it isn't like you won't exist at all. Others claim it means not existing anywhere, which is the true self. In the heavily Christian influenced western culture the ''new age'' meaning has been reduced to being like really in touch with the whole world and everything, man. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 03:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Parliament in the UK ==
 
What is the class/social background of current British MPs? The only data I can find is ancient.
 
:"Class" is a bit of a wishy-washy term, but to give you some idea, [http://www.tes.co.uk/blogs/blog.aspx?name=Media&archive=05%20December&post=2166498 a third of MPs went to private schools]. Astonishingly, Tories are more likely to be toffs. [[User:Markalexander100|Mark]][[User talk:Markalexander100|<sup>1</sup>]] 23:06, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Ok, a Torie is a British Conservative Party member (named after Quenn Victoria), but could you help a poor American out with "toffs", please ? [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 23:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
::: It's a slang term meaning "A member of the upper classes, especially one who is elegantly dressed". And it's Tory, not Torie. Cheers [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 00:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Toffs just means the upper classes (by birth and schooling) (as I think you guessed!}. They call the rest of us 'oiks'. BTW, I think the word Tory comes from somewhere else - something Irish? [[User:Jameswilson|Jameswilson]] 00:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::See [[British Whig Party#Name]] and [[Tory#History]] - basically, both are outlaws. Accurate! [[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] <sup>[[User talk:Sam Korn|(smoddy)]]</sup> 00:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)]
:::::...and neither name has anything to do with Victoria! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 06:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:The source of the article referenced by Mark1 is "The Educational Backgrounds of Members of the House of Commons and House of Lords" [http://www.suttontrust.com/reports/PoliticiansBackgrounds_09-Dec-05.pdf (PDF)] by the Sutton Trust, 2005. According to this, about 18% of New Labourers and 59% of Tories went to private schools. --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 22:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
= January 26 =
 
== Opera performances in December 1938 in Paris France. ==
 
How can I find if there were any performances in the Paris Opera house in late December of 1938?
Also, if there was, how can I find the dates, and the primary performer's names?
I am not looking for a specific opera at that time, any will do, as long as it was performed in the Paris Opera House. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
*Looking around the best I could find is the [[Henri Tomasi]] ballet ''Les Santons'' which [http://www.henri-tomasi.asso.fr/en/bio.php premiered there] November 18, 1938. If you want any more detail, you should probably just go to your local library and see if it has a history of the Paris Opera.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 04:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:A standard method would be to go to a research library and peruse the microfiche archives of a Paris newspaper, such as [[Le Figaro]]. This would of course require you to understand French. Good luck with your novel or script :) --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 04:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== vatican ==
 
I heard about a conection of the vatican and the masons in the History channel...does anyone know anything? --[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 01:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
*[[http://www.sspx.ca/Angelus/1984_April/News_Briefs.htm In 1984]], the pope imposed excommunication on Catholics who were Masons. [http://www.trosch.org/bks/freemasonry.html An anti-Mason web site which quotes from the New Catholic Enclyclopedia] is vitriolic against them. I warn you that this site represents extreme right-wing political and religious views. Our article on [[Holy See|the Vatican]] doesn't say anything about the [[Freemasonry|Masons]], but if you follow up, the links from both places might lead you somewhere. But be careful they don't lead you where you don't want to go :P. Freemasonry is another product of the 18th century [[Enlightenment]]. Many Catholics, including [[Mozart]], were members. One of the popes shortly after Mozart's time condemned the... what shall we call it... movement. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 03:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*The Masonic movement has its own religious rites ([[Scottish rite]] masonry) and it is a secret society. The Catholic Church has been hostile to both secret religious rites (for obvious reasons) and secret societies (as they purportedly sought to infiltrate the avenues of power). Masons have been under excommunication in Catholic nations for centuries. In the 19th century, the Masonic movement was at its greatest power, probably, with virtually all of the highest politicians in Protestant nations belonging. Any other connection, such as the Masons being inheritors of the [[Templars]] and the like, is speculative and fodder for febrile conspiracy theorists. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 13:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Thank you :D , but what I actually heard at the end of the documentary which I would've wanted to see, was that this guy ( he was bald and had a mustache and was about in his late 40's) got killed because ''he knew too much about the nexus of the vatican and the masons'' that's quite literally what I heard.and it made me really curious haha.(like everything basically :|) --[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 15:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:The show was probably about [[Roberto Calvi|Roberto Calvi's]] strange death in 1982. You can read all about Vatican implication in the article and follow up on the Masonic connections all you like. There are plenty, because it's about big money and, supposedly, conspiracies to take over the world. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 17:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Also have a look at our article on [[Lucian Pulvermacher]]. He masquerades as "Pope Pius XIII", but is considered an anti-pope. He claims that John XXIII (reigned 1958-63) was a freemason, therefore his election was invalid, and therefore all subsequent popes including Benedict XVI are invalidly elected popes. He was reported as having died a few weeks ago, but that claim is disputed. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 00:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Upcoming elections in nigeria ==
 
Dear sir/madam,
I need to know exactly when is the date for the upcoming elections in nigeria. And is the PDP going to put candidates to be elected? Please have you answer sent to <email removed>
Respectfully
Amr Saad
--[[User:84.18.72.186|84.18.72.186]] 06:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Elections ae scheduled for 2007. Information about the [[Politics of Nigeria]] is easily available. Whether the PDP puts up candidates remains to be seen, of course. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 14:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Nato Doctrine ==
 
What is the current NATO doctrine since 1991 I believe? It's not in the article, would be good to list the evolution of its doctrines, however. [[User:83.5.226.238|83.5.226.238]] 07:27, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:I don't think NATO has a clear post-cold war doctrine. Some possible uses are intervetion in countries which have invaded others, are engaging in genocide, or are supporting terrorism. I also think it may need to take action against Iran when the UN refuses to act to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons (due to Russian and/or Chinese vetos in the Security Council). The US is stretched too thin right now to invade Iran on it's own, and bombing alone may not be effective, as Iran is building their uranium and/or plutonium refining capacity deep underground to make it bomb-proof.
 
:In my opinion, a military alliance of the "good countries" is needed. The UN is not effective due to the veto power given to countries which don't much care about genocide, etc. China, for example, has oil interests in Sudan so would veto any attempt to stop the genocide in the Darfur region. Russia has business interests in Iran and might veto any attempt at sanctions against Iran and would almost certainly veto any military action that could be taken against Iran.
 
:I also think NATO should be broadly expanded to go beyond the "North Atlantic" (countries like Turkey are already a stretch under that definition). Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and many new countries in the Americas could be included. I would avoid including any which support terrorism (which pretty much leaves out most of the Middle East) and any ruled by dictators (China, Cuba, many in Africa, etc.). [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 15:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::You're not trying to imply that there are countries with right of veto on the Security Council that might overlook a country's human rights abuses because it favour them politically, or worse, supply them with oil are you? Horror of horrors! </sarcasm> [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 19:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::We shall see soon. I suspect that Iran will be referred to the UN Security Council within a few weeks, at which time it will cut oil production to "punish" the world. The US, England, and France will most likely support sanctions against Iran, despite this, but perhaps not Russia and/or China. Iran certainly has a long record of human rights abuses, but the issue at this time is their nuclear ambitions. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 20:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::I believe you are referring to an annoucement of policy made by [[Bill Clinton]] and supported by NATO at its general meeting in 1993-4 or thereabouts. I believe the policy regarded military interventions in Europe being NATO's sphere of influence and was applied both in the Bosniac and Kosovar conflicts. See our article on Bill Clinton, Foreign Policy section, and see if that helps. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 16:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Maps of Counties with City Limits ==
 
Can you(or anybody) please give me the links to websites which contains maps of these following counties, WHICH SHOW the borders and limits of the incorporated cities and towns in them:
 
Harris County, Texas
Fairfax County, Virginia
Prince Georges County, Maryland
Montgomery County, Maryland
Loudoun County, Virginia
 
(Post them on Wikipedia.)
 
:When I was asked about Harris County, Texas I replied by showing you how to do the search yourself using Google. We aren't your slaves here, you know. You should be able to do this type of search for yourself. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Harris_County for a reminder on how to do the search. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::The Census Bureau's [factfinder.census.gov FactFinder] is good for this. You can do a reference-map search for the counties, then use the "boundaries" tap to make the map show "places." Unfortunately, the maps won't disciminate between incorporated municipalities and [[census designated place]]s, so you'll have to look up each "place" mentioned on the map to see whether it has its own government. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] 22:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Townships in the USA ==
 
In the USA, what is a civil township?Is the township the same kind of political entity as incorporated cities,town,villages, and boroughs?Are townships political entities that only exist within counties?
(Let's just talk about townships in the Midwest and Southeast.)
:See [[civil township]]. -- [[User:AJR|AJR]] | [[User talk:AJR|Talk]] 14:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Townships differ among the states. Some states don't have townships. In some states, townships have similar powers to cities and villages. In other states, townships have few powers. States differ as to whether cities and villages are parts of townships (as in Indiana), separate from townships (as in Pennsylvania) or either-or as the case may be (as in Ohio).
 
::I've never heard of a township in any state crossing county lines or existing outside of a county. That's presumably because townships are created as subdivisions of counties.
 
::In Ohio, townships have fewer powers than cities and villages. They generally cannot pass their own ordinances, and they cannot enact an income tax. They can have a police department, but it ranks below the county sheriff's office. They can adopt zoning, but the county must approve any plans or changes. Now, townships can adopt "limited home rule," so some of the above may not be applicable everywhere. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] 22:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== German Casualties in World War II ==
 
Dear Wikipedia,
 
Where can I find information about the distribution of German casualties in the WWII by front: How many people/arms did they loose in Russia, in North Africa, in Europe, etc. ...
 
Thank you very much,
Alex L.
 
:See [[WWII]], and in specific, [[World War II casualties]] might be helpful. <font color="#08457E" vlink="#08457E"><b>[[User:Tomtheman5|tiZom]]</b></font><sub><font color="black">[[User talk:Tomtheman5|(the man)]]</font></sub> 14:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Roman torture and persecution ==
 
Is there any historical evidence for the torture and persecution of early Christians by the Romans? I have heard accounts of Nero feeding Christians to lions and other such disturbing acts, but i cannot find any historical proof behind this. Was the feeding of criminals to lions and tigers a common spectacle in roman provinces?
 
The little information I have found refers to Christians being persecuted because they believed in one God, and that they were fed to lions in the circus, and killed by gladiators for sport. I still cannot find any historical references to these events.
 
:Have a look at our article on [[Martyr|martyrdom]]. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 17:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Roman events such as [[Venatio]] also detail this topic.
 
:[[Tertullian]] wrote (''Apology'', [http://tertullian.org/anf/anf03/anf03-05.htm#P434_209651 ch. 40]) ''If the Tiber rises as high as the city walls, if the Nile does not send its waters up over the fields, if the heavens give no rain, if there is an earthquake, if there is famine or pestilence, straightway the cry is, "Away with the Christians to the lion!"'' He was probably exaggerating, but we know that ''damnatio ad bestias'' ('condemnation to the beasts') was a Roman method of execution, and Christians were certainly executed often enough. &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles P._]]<small>[[User talk:Mirv|(Mirv)]]</small> 17:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
: There is plenty of evidence of actual persecution. See [[Persecution of Christians#Persecution of early Christians by Romans| here]]. As for how often they were killed by wild animals, I don't know if anyone could say. Fighting (or being fought by) wild animals was a common form of gladitorial combat though, called ''Bestarii''.--[[User:BluePlatypus|BluePlatypus]] 18:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Yes, Christians were persecuted, tortured, and killed by the Romans. The Romans were, in general, quite tolerant of other religions. They allowed Jews to practice their own monotheistic religion, after all. There were also many other religions and cults throughout the Roman Empire. The Romans even copied their religion from the Greeks. The difference with Christians is they taught that anyone who didn't believe in Jesus would burn in hell, and the Romans took that as quite an insult. So, it was essentially the Christian's intolerance toward the Romans which lead to Roman intolerance towards them.
 
:With all due respect, bullshit. Cite either a Christian or pagan source that even gives that reason, let alone calls it a major reason, for persecution. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 21:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::This site supports my statement that Romans were generally tolerant of other beliefs and Christians were not:
 
::http://www.answers.com/topic/fall-of-rome
 
::"Gibbon debunked the myth of Christian martyrdom by deconstructing official Church history that had been perpetuated for centuries. Because the Roman Church had a virtual monopoly on its own history, its own Latin interpretations were considered sacrosanct, and as a result the Church's writings had rarely been questioned before. For Gibbon, however, they were secondary sources: The same Latin documents translated by someone else. Gibbon eschewed these, and never referred to them in his own history. This is why Gibbon is referred to as the "first modern historian", and thus, his interpretations were deemed pagan."
 
::"According to Gibbon, Romans were far more tolerant of Christians than Christians were of one another, especially once Christianity gained the upper hand. Christians inflicted far greater casualties on Christians than were ever inflicted by the Roman Empire. Gibbon extrapolated that the number of Christians executed by other Christian factions far exceeded all the Christian martyrs who died during the three centuries of Christianity under Roman rule. This was in stark contrast to Orthodox Church history, which insisted that Christianity won the hearts and minds of people largely because of the inspirational example set by its martyrs. Gibbon proved that the early Church's custom of bestowing the title of martyr on all confessors of faith grossly inflated the actual numbers."
 
::[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 22:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Here is another source showing how tolerant the Romans were:
 
::http://abacus.bates.edu/~mimber/Rciv/christianity.htm
 
::"However, the evidence suggests that the routine policy of the Roman elite and imperial bureacracy was not persecution for the first two centuries of Christianity. In fact, to characterize the Roman response to Christianity far overstates the matter. By and large, members of the Roman elite ignored Christianity. If notice of Christianity was forced upon them, they tolerated it if they could."
 
::And later in the same source is the suggestion that Christians actually wanted to be martyrs:
 
::"This laissez-faire policy, however, might be irrelevant to a committed Christian. We have accounts of Christians who virtually assaulted Roman governors with their assertions of Christian identity."
 
::[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 22:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
After Christianity became the official religion of Rome, then the Christians went about persecuting others. This perhaps culminated in the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition, many centuries later. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 19:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
"Criminals destined for a fate without hope were nevertheless well fed in order to fatten the animals....A special effort had been made to bring these brave animals from abroad to serve as executioners for those condemned to death." - Apuleius, The Golden Ass (IV.13)
 
"Christian martyrs often suffered the same fate. Saturus, the priest of Perpetua and Felicitas, who died with them in the Carthage arena (AD 203), first was bound to a wild boar, which turned instead upon the venator, mortally wounding him. He then was tied to a bridge and exposed to a bear, which refused to leave his cell (cavea). Finally, he was exposed to a leopard, whose bite bathed Saturus in so much blood that the crowd, mocking baptism, taunted "Well washed! Well washed!" (Passio, XIX, XXI)."
 
**Once more, there has been something rather inaccurate offered. The reason the Romans persecuted the Christians had nothing to do with Hell. It had everything to do with why the 2nd Jewish Revolt occurred. After Augustus, there was an [[emperor cult]]. All Romans were required to venerate Augustus, Tiberius, Claudius, and the rest who had died as gods. The Romans were tolerant of other '''polytheistic''' religions. They ignored monotheistic religions, ''as long as those practitioners admitted the divinity of Caesar.'' For the Isis cult, this was not a problem. [[Mithraism]] had more trouble, and it was persecuted. The Jews would not allow a statue in the Temple. Christians would not sacrifice. The second factor was when noble Roman ladies were ''commanded'' to marry and produce little Romans. When these women had made a vow of chastity as nuns, they were put to death. Again, the condemned were always given a choice: sacrifice to the gods and live/marry and live, or don't and die. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 20:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
**Correct. The Roman's didnt care about personal beliefs of afterlife such as hell or heaven.. They cared about other [[monotheism]] religions getting in the way of Roman religion and affairs.
 
**Not quite correct. [[Judaism]] was the one monotheistic religion permitted; the Romans respected it because it was ancient. However, the Romans [[Crucifixion#Roman Empire|crucified]] thousands of Jews for [[insurrection]] and other offenses. Christianity was a new religion aggressively seeking converts and proclaiming Christ was the savior-god, not [[Augustus]]. Christians were considered atheists who challenged the state religion. Like others who have challenged state religions, they were put to death whenever the authorities felt like it. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Painting by Robert Foster ==
 
I am trying to gain information on a painting by Robert Foster entitled "Resting by the Wayside". It depcits A horse, sadled, its rider dressed in a sottish kilt sitting on a log with dead game to his right.
 
Thanking you for your help in this matter.
 
Jim Walmsley
 
:Is it a Scottish kilt or a sottish kilt ? [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 19:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:: Maybe a sottish kilt is what you get when you suitly emphazi a Scottish one. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 00:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
"Why do they call what a Scotsman wears a kilt ?"
 
"Because anyone who calls it a skirt gets kilt."
 
[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 19:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Good one. I like that answer better than the real one, to quote our [[Kilt]] article "The word kilt comes from the Scots word ''kilt'' meaning to tuck up the clothes around the body. The Scots word derives from the Old Norse ''kjilt'', which means "pleated", from Viking settlers who wore a similar, non-tartan pleated garment."
On the painting google tells me that it is a drawing by Thomas Berwick c.1790 & hangs in a gallery in Newcastle. [[http://www.sharecom.ca/bewick/vignettes/9042014.html]].
[[User:AllanHainey|AllanHainey]] 11:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== 1940's big band music ==
 
Hi tj:
I have a good suggestion concerning music of the 1930's & 40's big band revue.With many "ghost" big bands still playing today P B S two or three hour presantation could cover this as follows:
(a)much film is available on the open market that could be used.
(b)"ghost big bands could be used for the live effect.
this could be done in 10 or 15 minutes for bands as Harry James,Tommey Dorsey,Jimmy Dorsey,Guy Lombardo which would give a two or three hour P B S presantation .
This would complement & complete your musical presentation of the 50's,60's&70's which you did a fantastic job.
Thank you musically John
John J Czerwiecki
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--[[User:66.103.2.149|66.103.2.149]] 18:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:If you have a programming suggestion for the US [[Public Broadcasting System]], might I suggest you send them to PBS at [http://www.pbs.org/aboutsite/aboutsite_feedback.html] ? [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 19:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Maryland front passenger seat laws ==
 
I've searched www.maryland.gov, and couldn't find the answer to this question. Is there a requirement to ride in the front passenger seat? I think I heard once that you had to be 12, 100 lbs, or 5'2", but that probably wasn't accurate. The only information I can find on google amounts to the child safety laws, which deal with car seats, and fines on children under 16 riding without seatbelts. Any help on this (seemingly impossible) question would be greatly appreciated! [[User:68.49.175.198|68.49.175.198]] 18:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
* Try [http://www.marylandmva.com Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration]. Under "About MVA", "Rules of the road" doesn't state anything on such a requirement except the following: ''Maryland law requires everyone seated in the front seat must have their seat belts fastened. If age 15 or younger, they must always wear a seat belt regardless of where they are seated. Children under 6 and those who weigh less than 40 pounds must be in a child safety seat. Any passenger in a car being driven by a person with a provisional driver’s license must also use a seatbelt or a child safety seat.'' --[[User:BluePlatypus|BluePlatypus]] 18:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Safety people recommend that children not ride in the front seat because they could be injured by airbags or be thrust into the windshield in a crash. But it might not be a law in the state. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] 22:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks, I guess what I'd been hearing was a reccomendation by some manufacturer. [[User:68.49.175.198|68.49.175.198]] 16:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Berlin History ==
 
Where in Berlin was the famous crossing point from east to west from 1961-1989 --[[User:195.92.67.75|195.92.67.75]] 18:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:Are you thinking of [[Checkpoint Charlie]]? It was on the [[Friedrichstraße]]. &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles P._]]<small>[[User talk:Mirv|(Mirv)]]</small> 18:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== literature ==
 
What is the 'foul fiend' mentioned in shakespeares king lear --[[User:195.92.67.75|195.92.67.75]] 18:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:That looks like a homework question. Read the passage. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 20:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:"Dirty devil"? [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== penguin books ==
 
As what have penguin proposed to rename Evelyn Waugh's novel 'vile bodies' --[[User:195.92.67.75|195.92.67.75]] 18:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:It is on Penguin's website as Vile Bodies. [http://readers.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,5_0141182873,00.html] --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 18:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Guy Fawkes ==
 
What was Guy Fawkes real first name --[[User:195.92.67.75|195.92.67.75]] 18:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Guy. &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles P._]]<small>[[User talk:Mirv|(Mirv)]]</small> 18:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::If Guy isn't really his first name, you can burn me in effigy. See [[Guy Fawkes]]. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 21:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::: According to one of our links, he was born as Guy, but in around 1596 he adopted the name "Guido" and used it for the rest of his life. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 00:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::Which, it must be said, is just another form of "Guy". =P —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::: True, but GF must have had his reasons to prefer one over the other. I've often wondered why he used an Italian form when he lived in England. Maybe he was like me - I was born John, but I don't like that name so some years ago I adopted Jack. The names may be etymologically related, but to me they have very different connotations. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 02:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::: Probably because he was baptized as a protestant with the name of Guy and he adopted a more unambiguiosly catholic name of Guido from the staunchly catholic Italy. <small><font color="#000000">[[User:MeltBanana|MeltBanana]]</font></small> 14:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::: A plausible theory. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 22:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== age of marriage in Quebec c. 1980 ==
 
Does anyone know where I could begin to look for information on the change in the age of marriage following the election of the [[Parti Quebecois]] in the late 1970s? My understanding is that before that, it was absurdly young, maybe 12 years old for girls, and the PQ came in with a strong feminist platform and modernising instincts and raised it to 16 with parental consent and 18 without. Am I correct so far? But what I really want to know is how many girls were married after World War II at ages that would be illegally young now. I don't expect anyone to have the data at the tips of their fingers, no matter how wonderful Wikipedia is. But perhaps you can point me towards some named organisations or individuals who might know. Thanks.18:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[[User:BrainyBabe|BrainyBabe]] 18:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== civil harassment ==
 
There is a difference in the law regarding the usual procedures for a civil matter and those for a criminal matter. That is plain BUT...There is a third form of legal matter that is catagorized as "civil harassment" and apparently the procedures are different from the other two. I am trying to discover how to deal with a civil harassment matter, particularly how one knows what is the time to respond to a request by a plaintiff (complaint) for relief from the court from alleged harassment.(restraining order) I cannot locate anything in the California Code of Civil Procedure to elucidate this third system of law. It seems to be mostly civil but smacks of criminal too in a way. There are special forms by the judicial council with the prefix of CH ( CH-100 etc) but they do not offer many clues to procedures.
Is this an emrging syatem with no set rules or is there some special set of rules written somewhere that apply to these types of matters? I think there are many such cases being heard each day. Maybe this is only in California.
 
: You are talking about something that is nationwide in USA and also in many western nations. If you have been served by some complaint, then you need to see a lawyer. If you cannot afford a lawyer, then ask the court about getting you a [[public defender]]. A person who tries to represent him or herself has a fool for a client. Civilians may file a variety of complaints, both civil and criminal. For example in a family dispute, one family member can have a court issue some decree for other family member(s) to stay away from them, and if they violate this, call the police to arrest whoever for violating the stay-away order. It varies from locality to locality how good or bad the police do on responding to these complaints. [[User:AlMac]]|[[User talk:AlMac|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Dhammapada ==
 
To what degree are the stories in the ''[[Dhammapada]]'' commentary by [[Buddhaghosa]] likely to be [[fiction]]al?
[http://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/dmpada.htm]
[[User:Eequor|&#8227;<font size="+1">&#5339;&#5505;</font>]]<span class="venus">[[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|&#9792;]]</span>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Eequor}} <font size="+1">&#5200;</font>] 18:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:According to the Theravada Buddhist view, each verse was originally spoken by Gautama Buddha. Exegesis of the verses are preserved in the classic and voluminous commentary composed by Bhadantacariya Buddhaghosa in the fifth century C.E. The bulk of the commentary makes reference to the canonical works in the Tipitaka, especially to the most ancient discourses by Gautama Buddha preserved in the Sutta Pitaka. The commentary is reliable, in my view, and I'd recommend [http://www.buddhistvihara.com/online/narada/index.htm this] impressive edition of The Dhammapada by Narada Thera. [[User:Usedbook|Usedbook]] 04:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:: Okay, thanks. The stories at the site I found are rather longer than Narada Thera's translations; might they have been expanded upon by someone notable since Buddhaghosa? [[User:Eequor|&#8227;<font size="+1">&#5339;&#5505;</font>]]<span class="venus">[[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|&#9792;]]</span>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Eequor}} <font size="+1">&#5200;</font>] 05:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Daw Mya Tin, "''has simply culled the facts of the stories and [has] rewritten them briefly.''" It is not a word-for-word translation of the commentary. I'm thinking he simply returned to the original utterance of a particular Dhammapada verse in the Nikayas and extracted more context than Buddhaghosa thought was needed. Material of minuscule relevance to the Dharma may have been added to the oral tradition before the suttas were commited to writing. This is my view of all religious texts though, even for the Qur'an and the grandiose claims bestowed upon it. [[User:Usedbook|Usedbook]] 15:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== law ==
 
In may 1995 lord chief justice taylor granted whom permission to wear trousers and where --[[User:195.92.67.75|195.92.67.75]] 18:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:I presume this is in the U.K.?
 
== bra size ==
 
Which letter denotes the largest bra cup size --[[User:195.92.67.75|195.92.67.75]] 19:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:That depends on the manufacturer. DD is the largest size in common use, I think. &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles P._]]<small>[[User talk:Mirv|(Mirv)]]</small> 19:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:While manufacturers have their own designation for sizes above DD (such as DDD or E), the extremely large sizes are commonly falsely named by the adult entertainment industry using whatever sounds interesting. You will often see many D's (as in DDDDD), or random high letters (L, X, and sometimes even ZZZ). It is not baed on a real size just as XXX is not a real movie rating (NC-17 is the "adult only" rating). --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 00:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:http://www.figleaves.com/uk/fitting_room.asp?cat=131&cm_re=fr_lndg-_-sizing-_-textlink seems to suggest that common UK and US sizes run from AA to JJ.
 
== literature ==
 
Which is the only shakespeare play that doesnt contain a song --[[User:195.92.67.75|195.92.67.75]] 19:02, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:Are you sure there is only one? I don't ''recall'' a song in ''[[Titus Andronicus]].'' It would have been pretty out of place there. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 20:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::Ahem. See [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00003WGNS/ref=ase_internetmoviedat/002-0154092-6914430?s=music&v=glance&n=5174&tagActionCode=internetmoviedat this]. :) [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::Oh. :-) I did see that movie. Heck, any film version of ''Titus Andronicus'' I wanted to see, since we used to joke that a film version of it would have Titus wearing a hockey mask and the sons saying "Ch-ch-ch-ch! Ha-ha-ha-ha!" It was an interesting film version, but no one sang, except, of course Lavinia. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 01:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:The questioner may not be referring to song sung by the actors. It was common practice to include directions about songs (by the orchestra or at least a minstrel) in the play along with the stage directions. However, I have no idea if Shakespeare had one, none, or many plays with or without such directions. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 02:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:Because of the way Shakespeare's works came to be published, authtentic stage directions are far and few between, the classic being "Enter Lavinia, her hands cut off, her tongue cut out, and ravished". - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 02:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::Right, and "Exit, chased by a bear" from ''Merry Wives of Windsor'' and, according to one wag, a stage direction in a later ''Hamlet'' that said, simply: "All die." [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 12:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::''Exit pursued by a bear'' is from [[The Winter's Tale]]. Been there, done it. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 19:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::: D'oh! Sometimes you chase the bear, and sometimes the bear chases you. (I knew it was one of the ones I didn't like.) [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 04:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::And don't forget "Enter mariners, wet". [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] | [[User talk:Shimgray|talk]] | 20:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
''[[Henry IV, Part I]]'' has the direction "Here the Lady sings a Welsh song" (III:1), and ''[[Julius Caesar (play)|Julius Caesar]]'' has the direction "Music, and a song" (IV:3), so it's not unknown. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 13:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Socialism History ==
 
Is this entry from "Socialism" correct?
 
"During the Enlightenment in the 5th, revolutionary thinkers and druggies such as the Marquis de somewhere in France, a guy, and some1 with too long a name, and him, abbé de Mably, and Morelly provided the intellectual and ideological expression of the discontented social layers in French society.
 
It doesn't sound correct?
 
:No, it's not. It's vandalism. Looks like it has been fixed, though. Thanks. <font style="color:#00BB55"><u><b>s</b>murray</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><u>inch</u></font>[[WP:EA|<font style="color:green">'''''e'''''</font>]]<font style="color:#00AA77"><u>ster</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><sup>([[User:Smurrayinchester|User]]), ([[User talk:Smurrayinchester|Talk]])</sup></font> 20:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== sociology. four-step change model ==
 
 
can anyone explain the four-step sociological model of change ?
(direction of change, rate of change, sources of change, and ability to control change)
I do home courses, so i dont have a teacher or anyone to get help from.
let me know, thanks =)
 
:Do you have any text books for these home courses? [[User:AlMac]]|[[User talk:AlMac|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Deaths of the Apostles ==
 
Is there any extrabiblical accounts of the deaths and/or murders of the Apostles of Jesus? It is rumor that one died by crucifixion upside down, one beheaded, and another boiled in oil in Egypt. Are there any details about the possible deaths of the Apostles in the earler 1,2,3 centuries?
 
:The Wikipedia articles contain the Biblical information and then goes on to the stories attributed to them (including all their nasty deaths). See [[Twelve Apostles]] and click on each Apostle's name. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 00:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Indus Civilization ==
 
What are the reasons for the decline/fall of the Indus civilization? And which theory do Historians find most accurate-- 1/26/06~~
 
: Try reading [[Indus Valley Civilization]]. [[User:Lapinmies|Lapinmies]] 23:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:: Also, do check [http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgadkw/members/indus.html this link] for other theories, that the article doesn't cover. [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 03:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Universals ==
 
Is it reasonable to say that if ''universals'' 'exist' then reality is subjective? and if 'universals' do not exist and are only mind constructs then reality is objective?
and also, I read in the article that ''universals'' are concepts like 'doghood' and can be said to have a separate existence, but then I ask myself, are universals only those concepts? or can for example 'love' be a universal? or can each experience and feeling have it's universal? this sounds really crazy, but how is research in that area going? I mean, what does contemporary philosophy say about universals?( I hope I didn't cunfusse you much) --[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 22:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Cosmic girl, your posts are, uh, cosmically interesting... To briefly tackle this:
:First, I think you're setting up counter-intuitive "exclusivity parameters" in the initial sentences: If X, not-X. I don't follow the first two sentences, honestly.
:"''Universals'' are concepts like 'doghood' and can be said to have a separate existence." This is broadly Platonic and you should look at [[Plato]] and its links (...you're either a Platonist or you're not).
:What does X say about Universals? You should read [[Epistemology]] as a general suggestion and come to grips with the definition. "Where is the field going in terms of Universals?" is a rather fuzzy question. Specify ("theory of science," say) what you mean and it might be quantified better. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 22:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
: Well Cosmic, in Plato's view, the universals did exist, in a real, tangible sense. Just not in the sensory world. As for how research is going, it's not really going. Most professors of philosophy I've talked to consider metaphysics to be a rather dead subject. (I remember one praising the [[Vienna Circle]] for 'killing' it). I'd say the most metaphysical thing recently is [[Postmodernism]], which when applied as an epistemology is basically [[Philosophical skepticism]] in a new, clever, wrapper. While it has some good points, it doesn't really make for good epistemology. (If [[Derrida]] truely didn't believe in the metaphysics of communication, why did he bother writing books at all?) --[[User:BluePlatypus|BluePlatypus]] 23:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 
haha, very funny BluePlatypus! :D I guess noone is free from being inconsistent.
ok, I know Plato thought that universals did exist, and he may have been right, but I am more oriented to think like Ayn Rand,like universals are only constructs of our mind and nothing more.
Why do most modern philosophers regard metaphysics as dead? I don't unerstand, I mean, do they have any compelling argument to say this? I mean have they found out some logical problem with metaphysics or whatever? or have they simply realized it's something way to dificult to tackle and given up? how did the Viena Circle 'kill' it?...
 
Marksell, I couldn't understand your argument because I find it really hard to understand logic statements like 'X is X if and only if X is X' (kind of stupid but still) I can't really understand philosphy like that, I think I do my abstract thinking my own way without crystalizing it that way.
I already read about epistemology and I believe I am a skeptical/pragmatist/objectivist of some sort...so I am a hybrid, and I don't know how to define myself, haha.
--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 01:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
: You might be interested in ''[[Phenomenon]]'', ''[[Noumenon]]'', and ''[[Two Truths Doctrine]]''. [[User:Eequor|&#8227;<font size="+1">&#5339;&#5505;</font>]]<span class="venus">[[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|&#9792;]]</span>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Eequor}} <font size="+1">&#5200;</font>] 01:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
: Well, the Vienna Circle guys were basically just this group of young Austrians in the '20, who were impressed over how the Sciences had been so very successful at describing the world, and quite disappointed that philosophy had done so poorly, despite a head-start of several thousand years. They didn't feel it was going anywhere. So they developed a radical new philosophy called [[Logical positivism]], which held that if a statement isn't verifiable (can't be shown to be true from observation) then it is meaningless. (Although that doesn't mean it can't have artistic and emotional significance.) So in one big swoop they got rid of all of metaphysics, basically saying "Hey, let's focus on the real world, instead of abstractions." They were very influential. [[Karl Popper]] later modified the verifiability idea, to be "statements that cannot be disproven", which is more reasonable since a lot of statements are more easily disproven than proven. That philosophy is still pretty much dominant when it comes to Science. But the world isn't populated only by scientists of course. There are artists too. And they didn't really have much inspiration to draw from that philosophy, which is why we've got postmodernism I guess. I think one of the things that the philosophy professors like about the Vienna Circle guys, was that it really broke the tradition of starting with some metaphysic and building up a enormous, single, logically-consistent philosophy (although Wittgenstein's ''Tractatus'' has been credited with that too.. it's in that time-period anyway). --[[User:BluePlatypus|BluePlatypus]] 02:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I get it, so the main current philosophy of science tends to be logical positivism? in what aspects are logical positivism and pragmatism different? because I find them much alike...
and also, is there any philosophy that believes that:
 
- for usefull purposes like science and technology we should go with what works best and not be so restrained by ethics and subjective things (even if they are real metaphysically).
 
-is skeptical about the ultimate truth and the nature of reality (skeptical in the sense not that it doubts it's existence, but in the sense that we are uncapable of knowing it and even if we know it ''beyond doubt''we have the possibility of being wrong).
 
-doubts naturalism and mysticism equally if it refers to the nature of reality, but on ''the real world'' of everyday, goes more with naturalism because it works best.
 
-in esscence doubts that anything is 100% confirmed and that there is room for skepticism everywhere and in everything, but still functions in the real world and uses reason eventhough it acknowledges that reality may be irrational.
 
ok quite complicated but that is somewhat my personal philosophy, and I haven't found many that resemble it, besides pragmatism,do you know of any philosophy that is like this or resembles it?.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 17:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
: The first sounds like [[moral relativism]] or [[social Darwinism]]. Do you believe [[the ends justify the means]]? The second is [[transcendental idealism]], I think. In the third, what does "if it refers to the nature of reality" mean? [[User:Eequor|&#8227;<font size="+1">&#5339;&#5505;</font>]]<span class="venus">[[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif|&#9792;]]</span>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Eequor}} <font size="+1">&#5200;</font>] 17:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Yes, I tend to think that the ends justify the means.
but I didn't ask for separate philosphies,I was more asking for a philosphy that most resembled all of the points I made, if there is any.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 00:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
= January 27 =
 
== education system ==
 
hi! i would like to know about canadian education system.
i am from other country but recently settled in canada, but i am facing some problems in understanding education system of canada. can u please give me detailed information about its credits system.
 
:You could start with [[Education in Canada]]. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 01:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Guiliani==
is Mayor Giuliani a republican
 
:See [[Rudy Giuliani]]. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 02:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::He is now. He didn't used to be. [[User:Taiq|Taiq]]
:::He's a Republican though on issues - abortion, gays, gun control - he's like a Democrat. --[[User:Blue387|Blue387]] 23:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== The word 'Dutch' ==
 
Greetings from Australia At a recent trivia meeting a questian came up as to why the people of Holland are not called Hollanders or Nederlanders but Dutch Reading on your page the history I understand that Dutch is the English translation of the Nederlands is this correct or have I read it wrong As far as I am aware it is the only large country that does not call it's people as a form of the name
ie Australia australian America americians Sweden swedes Germany germans ect
Hope you can help
 
From the article [[Netherlands]]:
:''The English word "Dutch" is akin to the German word Deutsch and has the same etymological origin. Both these terms derive from what in Latin was known as Theodisca, which meant "(Language) of the (common) people".'' [[User:Taiq|Taiq]] 08:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::That can't be right. Latin words don't start with "theo" unless they are borrowed from Greek and theo means god, not people. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 18:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:::From Greek or German, you mean. It appears that ''[[Theodisca]]'' (we have a very short article on it) was a medieval Latin spelling of the older Germanic word meaning 'people'. --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 22:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::And the Dutch ''do'' call themselves 'Nederlander' in their own tongue. Holland is a part of the Netherlands, and for some reason some people call themselves 'Hollander' (again, in Dutch). -- [[User talk:Ec5618|Ec5618]] 08:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Actually, people from the United States call themselves Americans, since ''United Stator'' sounds like some kind of motor part, LOL. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 14:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:The problem with "American" is well discussed. [[Frank Lloyd Wright]] proposed "Usonian." It's the most euphonous suggestion so far, but people of the US have been called "Americans" since the 1680s, so it's hard to change now. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 17:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The direct answer to the question is that in the 16th century the Netherlands and Germany were called Low Germany and High Germany and were parts of a single state. The English called them all 'Dutch', as the word 'German' wasn't in use then. When the two parts separated, we kept calling the Low Germans 'Dutch' because we had closer relations with them than with the High Germans. We started calling the High Germans 'Germans' at the same time. (Ref: 'Dutch' and 'German' in [[OED]].) --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 22:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Details appearing on British naturalisation certificates ==
 
Can you please tell me whether the original surname in their country of origin of the holders of such certificates and the name of the town they came from, appears on the British naturalisation certificates issued in the 1920s. With thanks.
 
 
 
== American Revocable Trust Agreements ==
 
Is the text of a Revocable Trust Agreement established in 1990 in the County of Sarasota in the State of Florida open to the public and if so, how can a member of the public obtain a copy? Thank you.
:Simple answer is most likely no. Revocable living trusts that people set up are generally private documents. There could be some caveats that could make the document a public document so if it is important to you you need to hire an attorney in Fla to look into the issue for you. I'm not an attorney and this is not legal advice. See our [[trust (law) USA]] article for background information that until rewritten is pretty confusing, sorry. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</small></sup> 23:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== who owns it? ==
 
i have tryed to contact them but they do not reply.... as i have heard they work for free if you are the right client...
 
please advise as i would like to know if anyone has had any luck contacting them.
 
regards
 
Mr Hall (OBE)
:Your question was answered [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous#who_owns_it.3F here]. [[User:AlMac]]|[[User talk:AlMac|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:I think that link was supposed to be: [[Wikipedia:Overview FAQ#Who owns Wikipedia.3F|this]]. I am assuming that when you say "it" you mean "Wikipedia". - [[User:Akamad|Akamad]] 20:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Sultan Ahmed I's Blue Mosque ==
 
Hello
 
I was wondering if you could help me by answering some questions that I have about Sultan Ahmed I's Blue Mosque.
Could you please tell me what some of the significant architecture representations are or beliefs and values reflecting the Islamic religion of the:
• Iwan-Prayer Hall
• Qubba-Domes
• Minarets-Towers for the Call of Prayer
• Sahn-Courtyard
• Sebil-Fountain
• Mihrab- In the inside of a Wall in the Prayer Hall facing Mecca
• Decoration and colour
• light
 
The question im trying to answer and currently working on is:
"How does the style of Architecture of the Blue Mosque in Turkey, Reflect the Islamic Religious Beliefs, Ideas and Expression of Feelings?
 
Or provide me with some references
 
Thank you, your help is greatly appreciated
 
:See [[Sultan Ahmed Mosque]]. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 12:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Popocatepetl - a poem ==
 
A long time ago when the earth was young, we were required to anylise a phoem which was either about [[Popocatépetl]] or contained a reference to Popocatépetl. I can remember very little about the poem other than the fact that it had a profound impact on me. What is the poem called, who wrote it and where can i get of copy of the text?
 
:Could it be "All the earth is a grave and nothing escapes it" [http://www.ancientmexico.com/content/documents/nezahualcoyotl_poem.htm], attributed (though perhaps wrongly) to [[Nezahualcoyotl]]? [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 12:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
 
GDR - Thank you. No, I don't think this is it... bit dark for grade school poetry I think. No... the poem I vaguely remember was about being friends (or perhaps lovers???) And there was something about popocatepetl inviting the writer to be his friend... Whew! I know this is terribly vague but as I say it was a long time ago when things like this were less important to me that they are today!
 
*Well, this isn't it, but it does have the Popo reference! [[Geographical Fugue]] --[[User:Jpgordon|jpgordon]][[User talk:Jpgordon|&#8711;&#8710;&#8711;&#8710;]] 23:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Who was the only president to hold a PhD? ==
 
See [[President of the United States]]. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 15:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
And [[Jack Ryan (fictional character)|Jack Ryan]], of course. [[User:Proteus|Proteus]] [[User_talk:Proteus|(Talk)]] 15:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::And President Bartlett. (I wish they Wood row over to our articles, where they Wil soon find their answers.) [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 15:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Are you telling me an intelligent man like the current President Bush doesn't have a PhD ? The only way I can explain that is that his military draft was deferred by intermittent service in the National Guard, otherwise I'm sure he would have stayed in college indefinitely to avoid the draft. Eventually they would have had to give him a PhD just to get rid of him. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 17:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::You must be ignoring all his honorary degrees from small conservative colleges! Don't those impress you? [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 18:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::But the question is, can he spend those honorary degrees? Did they come with [[honoraria]]? Are they part of his [[political capital]]? [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::::*Sorry, the link to political capital above is a wrong number. To get the point, you'll just have to know what Bush said about "political capital" the day after the 2004 election. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::I'll bet Bill Clinton held a PhD. At least one of his interns must have been one. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 19:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Geogre is surpassingly subtle. The answer is [[Woodrow Wilson]]. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::There have been many: [[Rajendra Prasad|Dr. Rajendra Prasad]], [[Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan|Dr. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan]], [[Zakir Hussain (politician)|Dr. Zakir Hussain]], [[Shankar Dayal Sharma|Dr. Shankar Dayal Sharma]], [[K. R. Narayanan|Dr. K. R. Narayanan]], and the current president [[Abdul Kalam|Dr. Abdul Kalam]]. What a waste! [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 20:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::Well, if we're including India, don't even bus drivers have PhD's there ? [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 21:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::Yes, but they're not President. Not yet anyway. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 21:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::: I've heard of bus drivers with masters degrees in India, but not yet with PhDs :) The question was "Who was the only president to hold a PhD?" [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 22:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::::Sounds like they need to upgrade their educational system. I wouldn't feel safe with a bus driver who only has a masters degree. :-) [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 22:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::::::There is another way to look at it - if the bus drivers have masters degrees, then the unemployed must have at least a BS or BA. So, everyone in India is either highly educated or the schools are extremely relaxed. I wonder which one it could possibly be? --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 23:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::::::The not-so-funny reality is that some people in India are highly educated and some have never been to school. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 03:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::::::::: Competition for jobs is so tough that even highly educated end up being drivers. Despite 35% population being illiterate, there are far too many educated people compared to the number of jobs. By the way, for the same reason (tough competition), getting into college is real hard too. [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 15:00, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget Presidents of Corporations and Non-Profits. They are all over the economic landscape, and many of them have advanced degrees. [[User:AlMac]]|[[User talk:AlMac|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:37, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Can someone born in Puerto Rico become President of the United States? ==
 
The [[President of the United States|President]] has to be a natural-born citizen. If you are born in Puerto Rico (or anywhere else outside the US), and one or more of your parents is a US citizen, you may also be deemed a natural-born US Citizen. See [[United States citizenship#Through birth abroad to two United States citizens]] and [[United States citizenship#Through birth abroad to one United States citizen]]. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:16, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Note that at least two people considered ''candidates'' for President have been born in US territories - [[John McCain]] was born in the [[Panama Canal Zone]], and [[Barry Goldwater]] was born in Arizona before statehood. No issues were raised over either [[User:Shimgray|Shimgray]] | [[User talk:Shimgray|talk]] | 20:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::When [[Arnold Schwarzenegger|the Governator]], born in Austria, first assumed office as governor of California, there was a lot of talk about changing the Constitution so he could run for President. That talk has died down as problems in the state continue to accumulate and solutions are not so easy to find as some imagined. [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 21:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::I understood that "a natural born citizen" meant passing 2 tests: (a) being born in the USA or in US territory, and (b) being born a US citizen. It would not be enough to pass only one test. A person like [[John McEnroe]], for example, who was born a US citizen but in Germany would be ineligible for election to the presidency. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 21:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::But I think anyone born in the US or a US territory is automatically a US citizen. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 22:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::Yes, I think you're right. Those people would have no worries. It's only the US citizens born on foreign soil that seem to be excluded (through no fault of their own). [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 23:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't think that's right -- I think meaning (b) is the entire meaning of the phrase. Do you have a reference saying otherwise? --Anonymous, 01:01 UTC, January 28, 2006.
 
::::::The writers of our article on [[Henry Kissinger]] seem to agree with me: ''"There was even discussion of ending the requirement that a U.S. president be born in America so that Kissinger could have a chance to run."'' I guess you're saying that the real reason Kissinger is ineligible is that he was not born a US citizen (I assume he was German at birth), not that he was born outside the USA ''per se''. Is that so? Then the Kissinger article needs amendment. I've never contributed to that one, so it seems others have the same wrong idea as I've had for as long as I can remember. Maybe it's something I should add to "the greatest furphy of all time". Of course, you realise what this means? John McEnroe could become US President after all. You can't be serious!! Cheers [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 01:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::FWIW, the Kissenger article eventually gets around to telling us he became a naturalized citizen after fleeing Germany. I suppose ''"There was even discussion of ending the requirement that a U.S. president be born in America so that Kissinger could have a chance to run."'' should be changed to ''"There was even discussion of ending the requirement that a U.S. president be a natural-born citizen so that Kissinger could have a chance to run."'' since that's the actual language of the requirement. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 04:15, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::[[George Romney]] was considered a legitimate Presidential candidate, even though he was born in [[Mexico]] to US citizen parents. [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In short... Is there a lawyer in the house? [[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 03:04, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:I'm not sure a lawyer would be useful. We need a Supreme Court Justice. It's in the Constitution, and so we don't know what it means until the Supreme Court rules on it (and even then we only know that until they rule on it again). I don't know that it's ever come up, but I think it's clear that Ahnold doesn't qualify. The wording was discussed when [[John McCain]] first ran for president, as he was born in the [[Panama Canal Zone]], under American control at the time but not American territory; as he was born to American parents no one considered the "natural-born" language a real impediment. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 04:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:: [[Orrin Hatch]] seems to have a different point of view. He discusses his proposed constitutional amendment [http://judiciary.senate.gov/member_statement.cfm?id=1326&wit_id=51 here], and makes the point that it is far from certain that people outside US territory are eligible for election to the presidency, not even if they were born US citizens. [http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/31359 This] and [http://www.expat.ru/forum/archive/index.php/t-620.html this] are not authoritative, but they illustrate the American community's lack of agreement about this question. [http://hnn.us/articles/1752.html This article] (''"Allow foreigners to run for president?"'') gives some background, but also confuses the terminology. Henry Kissinger himself talks about the issue [http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/21/le.01.html here], saying: ''"And I think '''foreign-born''' should have a possibility of running for president"'' (my emphasis). Maybe he was using imprecise wording, but that's the concept that seems to have gained a foothold in the minds of many. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 07:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:Historically, a person born in country X is usually automatically a citizen of nation X. However, there is currently an Immigration Reform movement in the USA to try to deny US citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants. In fact, some children were apparently not told by their parents that the parents were illegals, then when the children tried to do what is Ok for US children, such as apply for jobs, attend education, or visit neighboring nation, they got arrested by immigration authorities. [[User:AlMac]]|[[User talk:AlMac|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
How many other countries have requirements for high office based on place of birth rather than simply citizenship or length of residence, etc.? It seems a rather artificial requirement &mdash; someone born in the US but who spent his entire childhood in another country is eligible whereas someone born abroad but who has lived in the US since the age of 2 months is ineligible, which seems rather strange. [[User:Proteus|Proteus]] [[User_talk:Proteus|(Talk)]] 12:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:I believe, at the time those rules were made, it was the fashion to form "blood alliances" by marrying royals from two countries. The Founding Fathers wanted to avoid anything like that happening to the US. Since the US wouldn't have hereditary rule (except perhaps for the Adams, Roosevelt, and Bush dynasties), they weren't concerned with cross marriage but did have another fear, that a "foreigner" would be elected President and would have dual loyalties, thus getting the US into an "entangling alliance", as Washington warned us. Much of this fear seemed justified when the family links of Europe (descendants of Queen Victoria) seemed to cause WW1 to spread from a small conflict to global war as a result of such alliances. To this date we haven't had any of those type of "blood alliances", so it seems to have worked. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Inhabitants of the Philippines ==
 
What amount of people over the ages have inhabited the Philippines?
[[User:Gelo3|Gelo3]] 22:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:See [[History of the Philippines]]. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 22:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== It was the time before we fir==
--[[User:64.12.116.72|64.12.116.72]] 23:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:What is the question ? [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 23:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::Nobody knows; he didn't suitly emphazi his question. Perhaps he needs to think about questions before he fir asks them. [[User:Cernen|Cernen]] [[User Talk:Cernen|Xanthine]] [[Special:Contributions/Cernen|Katrena]] 02:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Maybe he was typing and he was shot before he finished the question.
:::''No. He wouldn't have hit the submit button if he was shot.''
:::Maybe he was dictating and the typist thought that was the complete question.
:::''Maybe you need to watch less Python.''
:::--[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 19:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:I often think one thing, but type another, then submit, then see it is not quite right, and I fix it. Perhaps something went wrong so he could not come back to fix it. [[User:AlMac]]|[[User talk:AlMac|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
::that IP address account is an Aol's, and has been banned to Elfland. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 19:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Miscellaneous?==
Where/when did the word miscellaneous first come into use and what was its function compared to its modern meaning?--[[User:64.12.116.72|64.12.116.72]] 23:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
<--''could somebody please put this question on the RD:Miscellaneous page for me, it seems I'm the victem of an AOL based sharedip autoblock, so sadly i cannot edit that page myself--[[User:64.12.116.72|64.12.116.72]] 23:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)''
 
:Miscellaneous comes from Latin: "miscellus" (mixed) or "miscre" (to mix). As for where to put this, perhaps the RD:Language page would be better. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 23:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::It's ''miscere'', not *''miscre'' (2nd conjugation verb). —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 07:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::As per Merriam-Webster Collegiate, the first attested use of "miscellaneous" in English was in 1637. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 01:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Is renaming a ship bad luck?==
I was reading about the accidents aboard the Upholder/Victoria class submarine HMCS Chicoutimi (SSK 879) and I read somewhere that renaming a ship was bad luck. Is it? --[[User:Blue387|Blue387]] 23:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:There are two answers here. First, luck is a matter of debate all its own. Second, there are many superstitions around boats. Renaming them is considered bad luck. There are psychics (and other con artists) who will gladly accept payment to help your boat accept a new name without too much bad luck. Try this Google search [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22bad+luck%22+renaming+a+ship&btnG=Google+Search]. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 23:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Pretty much everything has been considered good or bad luck at some point. As for whether it actually is bad luck, no. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 02:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:The two commonest superstitions regarding ship names are: 1) renaming a ship is bad luck; 2) giving a ship a name starting with T is bad luck. I doubt whether either is in any way less lucky, though it's difficult to tell, even with a statistical analysis, since a re-named ship will logically be older than one still with its original name, and therefore more prone to needing repair or other similar problems. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 02:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
::You could still control for age. There's no shortage of data out there. [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 07:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
= January 28 =
 
== Poems that glorify war ==
 
Could anyone point me to some poems or verse that paint a rosy picture of war or conflict, perhaps single combat? --[[User:Impaciente|Impaciente]] 02:56, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:''[[The Charge of the Light Brigade]]''? &#8212;[[User:Mirv|Charles P._]]<small>[[User talk:Mirv|(Mirv)]]</small> 03:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
::Pace Charles (supra), I am not certain that [[The Charge of the Light Brigade]] would generally be seen as painting a rosy picture of war; at the very least, there is a good deal of scholarship that would militate against one's citing the poem as an example of a verse painting a rosy picture of war. [[User:Jahiegel|Joe]] 03:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
::"[[The Battle of Maldon]]" [http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~snlrc/britannia/maldon/maldontrans.html]; ""Our hearts must grow resolute, our courage more valiant, our spirits must be greater, though our strength grows less. Here lies our Lord hewn down in the dust. ... I am advanced in years. I do not desire to be taken away, but I by my liege Lord intend to lie."; "[[Le Chanson de Roland]]" and probably a few more fairly ancient writs. - [[User:Nunh-huh|Nunh-huh]] 04:05, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
The greatest of all goes back near the start of western civilization: the [[Iliad]]. War is the subject, on and on and on. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 04:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
And if you really want to psych the troops up for battle, check out the pre-battle speech in [[Henry V (play)]]. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 04:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for the responses. --[[User:Impaciente|Impaciente]] 04:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Horace had a few. There was a whole industry of Tudor poetry on the soldier going to war, where he would say, effectively, "I loves ya', Babe, but I loves my country more." The list is quite long, actually, and I've been trying to remember which Horace Ode it is that has the ''"dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"'' that [[Wilfred Owen]] took such exception to. Also, Kipling does have some glorymongering stuff (and some anti-war stuff). Basically, there are too many to pick one. ''Iliad'' isn't really one to glorify war, exactly, although the war is glorified. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 04:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Try [http://members.tripod.com/arlindo_correia/060800.html this one] by [[Edna St. Vincent Millay]]. [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
How about a war poem set to music ? The ''Star Spangled Banner'', national anthem of the US, is one of those:
 
http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/anthem.html
 
Note that there are some who wish to change the US national anthem to a non-militaristic song, namely ''America the Beautiful''.
 
[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 06:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:There's also "War song" by [[John Davidson (poet)|John Davidson]], [[Michael Drayton]]'s "Ballad of Agincourt", [[John Pierpoint]]'s "Warren's address"... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 06:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I'd say the people who want to glorify war don't write poems about it. They just do it; '''''glory''''' is a major motivator for warmakers. The depictions of violence are usually left to the novelists and filmmakers. The poets generally have something else in mind: patriotism, courage, camaraderie, etc. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 15:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Maybe not strictly a poem, but the song referred to in [[Jingoism]] might qualify. Also the ''Lays of Ancient Rome'' by [[Lord Macaulay]]. [[User:DJ Clayworth|DJ Clayworth]] 16:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Though containing the [[Gita]], the [[Mahabharata]] is sometimes warlike. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 19:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==[[Stars and Stripes Forever]] Opus #==
What is the opus number for [[John Philip Sousa]]'s Stars and Stripes Forever? --<font color="green" face="Berling Antiqua">hello, i'm a [[User:Member|<font color="orange">member</font>]]</font> | [[User talk:Member|<font color="grey">talk to me!</font>]] 05:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:interesting question... [http://www.dws.org/sousa/works.htm this site] only numbers his earlier works - most of those numbered are below 40 but also from the 1870s. Opus 131 was in 1881 (President Garfield's Inauguration March), but that's the highest number there is. Stars and Stripes forever is considerably later (1896), so it would theoretically have a considerably higher number. That is, of course, if the numbering was conntinued. It could be that his work was becoming considered "popular" rather than "classical" (always tenuous terms at best), and the numbering may simply not have continued. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 06:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Employees in the People's Democratic Party Of Nigeria ==
 
Is John Oscar a National Secretary in The People's Democratic Party of Nigeria
--[[User:84.18.71.131|84.18.71.131]] 07:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:No. Do not respond to any of "his" emails requesting help with fund transfers. They are [[Advance fee fraud|419]] scams. See [http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/nigeria.asp Snopes] and [http://www.musicalinstrumentsales.co.uk/boguse-mails.html a listing] of false identities (including John Oscar). [[User:Superm401|Superm401]] - [[User_talk:Superm401|Talk]] 07:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
::(Link edited above) --Anon, 09:45 UTC.
 
== civilization ==
 
Why people learn about civilization?
 
:Do you mean the video game [[Civilization (computer game)|Civ]]? I learned about it so I'd have an appropriate means of wasting my undergraduate years.
:As for civilizations in general, they've given us the [[Pyramids]], the [[moon landing]], and [[African slavery]] amongst a few billion other things of some import. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 08:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:I thought that people avoid learning about civilizations so they can believe that everything happening is new and nobody has ever experienced it before. For example, the stock "correction" after the tech bubble was the very first time that anyone has ever lost a lot of money in the stock market. Hurricane Katrina is the very first time a whole city was flooded out by a natural disaster. Bush is the first world leader in history to invade another country to preempt them from taking military action themselves. I am the first person ever to be skeptical of all these "firsts" that the media blabs on about all day. (Please, if you cannot see the humor, do not waste your time responding. I know I'm a (fill in your insult here).) --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 18:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:: "I did not know that." [[Johnny Carson]] --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 15:18, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::The first to speculate on markets believed that the summer would be hot and the olive crops would be plentiful. He reserved for his own usage all the olive mills around. His name : [[Thales]].
:::The first flood is in the Bible. [[Noah]] did anticipate.
:::No one could anticipate such a disaster.
:::Every philosopher believes he is the first person to think. But Stu, your contribution was first quality. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 19:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Carriage Clock presented to Earl Haig early 1900's ==
 
Dear sir, Whilst surfing, I came across your site regarding Earl Haig. It reminded me of a brass carriage clock that I was told had been presented to Earl Haig in the early 1900's. As I remember, it was an 8 day clock with a repeater chime. There was no engraving or reference to the manufacturer of the clock or to Earl Haig. When asked, the dealer said that the top of the clock had been skimmed to remove the engraving. Sounded 'Fishy'. I am interested to know is there any truth to this story? Look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Gordon.
 
:Sounds rather fishy to me, too. I would ask how he knows these facts. Does he have any documentation of them ? Can he provide contact info for whoever told him these facts ? Is he willing to let you take it to an appraiser for an opinion ? I think you should stay away from this dealer. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Thanks for your input. I was interested to find out if anyone knew of a site that may have details or references of presentations to Earl Haig. Thanks again, Gordon.
 
:That's good, too. If you do find such a clock was given, then you can approach the problem from both ends, starting at the date it was given, going forward in time, and from the present clock, going backwards, to possibly establish a link. This is called '''provenance''', a clear chain of custody from origin to present. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Nigeria ==
 
Is the name (FRANCIS OGBO the owner of ASHLAND RESOURCES LTD)
REGISTER : 1765460
EAN / BAR : 5765490
INTERNAL REVENUE REGISTER CLEARANCE No. : 3031
 
Does this company realy exists in:
# 85 RANDLE AVU,S/LERE,LAGOS .BRANCH; 58B OMUOBA
OGBOR HILL-ABA -ABIA STATE
NIGERIA
 
Or is this person a scammer.
--[[User:212.38.148.226|212.38.148.226]] 14:04, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*The person and company probably exists, but if they ask you to share contact details or money in an email they're most likely part of a scam as discussed in a question a few posts above this one. I recommend you do not respond. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
See the [[Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#Employees in the People's Democratic Party Of Nigeria|question just above on the Humanities reference desk]]. The same old scam started out years ago and now has "evolved" to the Web. What they want is your bank account number. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 17:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== All-male rock bands with female vocalists ==
 
Can anyone name some very well-known rock (or any subgenre thereof) bands which are completely male except for the vocalist? [[User:Reperire|Reperire]] 15:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Ummm... [[Blondie (band)]], [[No Doubt]], [[Gladys Knight & the Pips]]. If you want more, I'll have to turn my brain on and start thinking. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 18:04, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
[[Evanescence]]! --[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 19:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:And [[Garbage (band)]]. [[User:GeeJo|<font style="padding : 0px 1px 1px 1px; border : 1px solid #809EF5; background: #FFFFFF ; color: #99B3FF">GeeJo</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;</small>&nbsp;<small>21:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)</small>
 
:[[Morningwood]]. [[Belly (band)|Belly]], although Tanya Donnelly also played guitar. [[Big Brother and the Holding Company]]. [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:55, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:[[Skunk Anansie]], [[Catatonia]], [[The Distillers]] ... [[User:Proto|Proto]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:Proto|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Proto|c]]</small> 23:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Though it's not listed on the article, [[Joan Jett]]'s backing band, the Blackhearts, were all men IIRC. --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 00:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:[[Patti Smith Group]], [[Curve (band)|Curve]], early line-ups of [[Fairport Convention]] (more folk than rock), [[Jefferson Airplane]], [[PJ Harvey]] (the band - the vocalist is Polly), [[Katrina & The Waves]], [[Dead Can Dance]], [[Siouxsie & The Banshees]]... This could develop into a very long list! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:[[Cowboy Junkies]]. [[Sixpence None the Richer]]. [[X-Ray Spex]] after [[Lora Logic]] left to form [[Essential Logic]], which also qualifies. &mdash;[[User:Chowbok|Chowbok]] 01:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:[[Len]] if you want to consider them rock, [[The Cranberries]], [[Heart (band)|Heart]] though they had two women they both took lead, [[10,000 Maniacs]], shall we go on? [[User:Dismas|Dismas]]|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Australian bands (just off the top of my head): [[The Superjesus]], [[Killing Heidi]], [[Little Birdy]], [[Magic Dirt]] and [[Baby Animals]]. Also [[George (band)|George]], although Tyrone Noonan did vocals on some tracks. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 11:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::I swore at myself that I wouldn't enter this discussion, as it's already on the edge of becoming [[List of male bands with a female vocalist]], but if you're going to mention the Australian acts, don't you have to include [[Devinyls]]? Also, my favorite band from my youth was [[Pylon (band)]]. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 14:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Funny you should mention that. I was considering suggesting the creation of just such an article. :) [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:[[Steeleye Span]] (again folk rather than rock), [[Nightwish]] (metal, not rock though)... [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 17:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::The [[Thatcher]] cabinet ? --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 19:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Architecture ==
 
Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but I will try anyways. My question is where can I find good pictures or drawings of St. Giles area of London from the period of the late 1800's and find some good descriptions of the streets and building, it's architecture, etc.?
 
:Try the [[Royal Historical Society]] [http://www.rhs.ac.uk/] or the sites on this list: [http://www.lamas.org.uk/links1.html].[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
= January 29 =
 
== Brave New World characters ==
 
I was just wondering about two characters in the book by Aldous Huxley. Henry Foster and Benito Hoover. I know that the other characters in the book all have their names from historical figures.. who are these two characters' names based on?
[[User:Gelo3|gelo]] 01:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
: [[Brave New World]] says "Benito Hoover joins fascist Benito Mussolini and Herbert Hoover, early 20th-century President of the USA." I'd imagine the Henry is from [[Henry Ford]]. I don't know who Foster is (see [[List_of_people_by_name:_Fo#Fost]] for some possibilities) - perhaps [[Michael Foster (physiologist)]]. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 01:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::I doubt if it would be [[Stephen Foster]], but perhaps [[John Foster Dulles]] ? [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Thanks! [[User:Gelo3|gelo]] 02:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Mt. Rushmore ==
 
There is a worker's path that goes to the top of Mt. Rushmore. It is normally restricted. Does anyone know if it is ever open to the public (even by guided tour)? I'd like to ensure I visit when I can go to the top. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 01:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Films dealing with loneliness. ==
 
What are some films or artistic pieces or literature that deal with the theme of loneliness?
[[User:Gelo3|gelo]] 02:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:There are scads of them. Some that come to mind right now: [[Taxi Driver]] is well-known, [[Tokyo Story]] is my favorite movie ever, and [[Requiem for a Dream]] is more recent. As for literature, it's hard to beat the poems and short stories of [[Dorothy Parker]]; it's one of her most consistent themes. --[[User:Antifamilymang|George]] 02:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
::[[Separate Tables]] is a great film that deals with this theme. It's one of my 2 favourite movies of all time. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 03:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
::Come to think of it, almost any movie based on a [[Terrence Rattigan]] play will have a strong element of this. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 10:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Just for chuckles, I'll mention one of the lesser known short stories that deals with loneliness, "Silent Snow, Secret Snow" by [[Conrad Aiken]]: a child sees snow falling and obscurring the world. (He probably nicked it from the closing image of Joyce's ''The Dead,'' but everyone steals from Joyce.) Loneliness is, simply put, one of the most prevalent themes in literature. For some hard core loneliness, though, try ''[[The Seafarer]]'', ''[[The Wanderer]],'' and ''[[Deor]]'' in [[Anglo-Saxon]] poetry. It's hard to get lonelier than those. If you want something you can read without translation, try ''Elegy Written in a Country Church-yard'' by [[Thomas Gray]]. Still, though, you can't put your thumb into any ''Norton Anthology'' without hitting something about loneliness, whether loneliness because of tragedy (the second section of Faulkner's ''[[The Sound and the Fury]]'') or just being a solitary person. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 03:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
For a poem leading from lonliness to terror to insanity, try [[Edgar Allen Poe]]'s, ''[[The Raven]]''. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Thanks everyone! [[User:Gelo3|gelo]] 03:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:If you want a recent film dealing with loneliness, [[Lost In Translation]] comes to mind. --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 08:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*I'm sure they deal with other issues, but the films "Blue bird" and "[[Nobody Knows]]" probably deal with it on some level. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
A good classic film about loneliness is ''[[Umberto D]]''. -[[User:Rhymeless|Tim Rhymeless]] [[User talk:Rhymeless| (Er...let's shimmy)]] 10:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::Seconded! ''Umberto D'' is absolutely explosive. It's one of the saddest films on loneliness ever. Much, much, much less high quality would be ''Silent Running'' and ''My Side of the Mountain,'' which both deal with happy solitary individuals. (''Lost in Translation'' is another good nomination.) (I wish there were a way I could recomment ''The Last Laugh'' here somehow, but it hasn't anything to do with loneliness.) [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::The [[Beatles]] produced artistic pieces of literature : songs! Try Nowhere man. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 19:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::Another one I've just remembered is the obvious one "The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner". [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 21:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Investigative, analytical, creative? ==
 
Sorry for my many queries...but I wanted to know what the difference was between investigative, analytical and creative pieces of work? [[User:Gelo3|gelo]] 02:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
*An investigative work tries to discover the answer to a question.
*An analytical work tries to display, explain, or explore the relationship between two or more things.
*A creative piece of work is the vaguest term, and instead of having a specific purpose, is characterized by some degree of novelty. In a narrower sense, a creative work may be said to bring into existence something new as the purposive product of the creator's imagination.
*From some perspectives, there would be the expectation that the structure and results of an investigative or analytical work would be constrained to a greater degree by a pre-existing, objective truth about the subject matter of investigation or analysis, while a creative work would be less constrained by reality. These characterizations have been challenged and in some perspectives (especially [[literary theory]]) may be rejected. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 02:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Thank you! [[User:Gelo3|gelo]] 03:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Executive Order W199I-WF-213589==
Conspiracy theorists keep talking about a Presidential order named W199I-WF-213589 (or simply W199I) supposedly signed by [[George W. Bush]] in July 2001 - but looking for information, it appears to be widespread among conspiracy sites...but none of them can quote it. The best anybody provides is a "partial scan of documents released to the BBC", and a transcript to a BBC interview that references the documents...yet surely they must be online somewhere? Is this whole thing fictitious? Surely Executive Orders are somewhat recorded? http://www.gaianxaos.com/SpecialReports_files/199I-WF.htm and http://propagandamatrix.com/newsnight_greg_palast_report.html (BBC transcript) are the two closest things I can find to "reputable" sources [[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sherurcij|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism|Terrorist Wikiproject]])</sup> 03:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:According to [http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders/ the official White House website], the only executive orders issued in July 2001 were ones about trade with Belarus and energy efficiency in government operations. The document number "W199I-WF-213589" at the websites you mention appears to be some kind of internal FBI case number, not an executive order number. -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] 05:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::You may be interested in this GIF file [http://www.propagandamatrix.com/W199I.gif], also from propagandamatrix.com, which purports to be a copy of an FBI printout with that number. Of course, the "printout" is of the sort that anyone with a PC could churn out in about three minutes, so I certainly wouldn't give it much credibility, no matter what the conspiracy theorists are trying to claim it "proves". In any event, it most certainly is not an executive order. That fact alone should be enough to make any rational person question just how much conspiracy theorists care about accuracy. (As an aside, [[Greg Palast|Mr. Palast]] is quite a character in his own right, to put it mildly.) --[[User:Aaron|Aaron]] 06:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::Note that the GIF file mentioned above is also so low resolution that you can only make out parts of the heading, not any of the actual content. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 12:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:You ain't gonna get this information. [[Executive order]]s are issued purely at the pleasure of the President, and he can attach to them any degree of security he likes; he can certainly claim [[executive privilege]]. If the President wanted to withhold the information, it would take a [[Supreme Court of the United States|Supreme Court]] decision to wrest it from him. That's what happened in the case of Nixon tapes in 1974. The [[Watergate scandal]] article states, "This issue of access to the tapes went all the way to the Supreme Court. On July 24, 1974, in United States v. Nixon, the Court (which did not include the recused Justice Rehnquist) ruled unanimously that Nixon's claims of executive privilege over the tapes were void and they further ordered him to surrender them to Jaworski. On July 30 he complied with the order and released the subpoenaed tapes." --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 06:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Tie in the House of Representatives ==
 
In the Senate, the vice president casts a tie-breaking vote should there be a tie. I was doing some thinking. There are 435 members in the House. Let's assume that every congressman and representative is in the House chamber to vote on an important bill and it is tied with one representative out sick. In the House, who cast the tie-breaking vote should something like that occur? Has something like this ever occured? --[[User:Blue387|Blue387]] 03:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Article I, Section 5 of the [[Constitution of the United States of America|Constitution]] specifies that ''Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two-thirds, expel a Member''. According to [[United_States_House_of_Representatives#Procedure|current House rules]], ''If a vote is tied, the presiding officer does not have a casting vote (unless he or she has not yet cast his or her vote). Instead, motions are decided in the negative when ties arise.'' --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 05:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Hatcatalyst is technically right. However, the [[Speaker of the United States House of Representatives|speaker of the House]] generally only votes to break ties. So if the vote comes up a tie, the Speaker breaks it. If the vote is a margin of one, the Speaker doesn't bother voting, because, as Hatcatalyst points out, making the vote even would not pass the bill. So the House never has a situation in which a vote ends in a tie the way it does in the Senate -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] 05:46, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::I admit I made my comment after only a few minutes of research on Wikipedia, and I was quoting Wikipedia in my last statement. However, of course, the quotation from the Constitution stands. The House, like the Senate, is the sole arbiter of its rules. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 06:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::Sorry, I wasn't criticizing. You were correct, I was just pointing out how it works in practice -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] 07:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::::Not a problem, I wasn't offended :o) --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 15:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== N KOREA NUCLEAR ==
 
We know that America does not do anything without any reason and his campaign against Iran nuclear program dipicts its intention to capture monopoly over oil resources and above that he does not want EURO to overpower DOLLAR if Iran's opens its oil market for the rest of the world. In the similar manner I want to know the reality behind US opposition for Nkorea nuclear program and what are the gains US can get by doing so? {{unsigned|61.95.154.3|01:06, January 29, 2006}}
 
:Please see the articles on [[U.S.-North Korea relations]], [[North Korea and weapons of mass destruction]] and [[Foreign relations of North Korea]] for some background info on the subject. [[User:Dismas|Dismas]]|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
 
The assumption in your question, that "the US opposes Iran's nuclear program so it can have a monopoly over the world's oil supply and keep the EURO low relative to the US dollar" is quite absurd, for several reasons:
 
*England and France also oppose Iran's nuclear program.
 
*Preventing Iran's nuclear ambitions would not give the US any more control over the world oil supply. If anything, the predicted UN boycott on Iran would reduce Iran's contribution to the world oil market and that would increase world oil prices, which is quite bad for the US. Specifically, high oil prices drive the US inflation rate, and make the US dollar worth less relative to other currencies.
 
*The US is very far from having a monopoly over world oil production, as many oil producing nations are historically and/or currently unfriendly to the US, including Venezuela, Russia, and many nations in the Middle East.
 
Why is the US opposed to Iran's nuclear ambitions then ? For exactly the reasons stated:
 
*Iran has repeatedly cheated and tried to develop nuclear weapons while pretending to develop peaceful nuclear energy. The UN has caught them doing this. As a result, the US, as well as most of the world, no longer trusts Iran when it says it's not going to build nuclear weapons.
 
*Iran, being oil rich, doesn't appear to need nuclear energy.
 
*Iran has even rejected Russia's proposal to provide them with nuclear fuel, provided Iran does not develop any capacity to refine the fuel further into nuclear weapons. The only way to explain this rejection is that Iran wants to build nuclear weapons.
 
*The US, and many other nations, consider Iran to be an unstable, fundamentalist, anti-democratic government which supports terrorism ([[Hezbollah]]) and is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Allowing such a nation to have nuclear weapons would be very destabilizing, possibly resulting in nuclear war with Israel.
 
[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
As for North Korea, the US opposes it having nuclear weapons because:
 
*It promised not to, but cheated, on several occasions.
 
*By spending it's money on weapons instead of their people, North Korea's population is in a nearly perpetual state of starvation and it's economy is near collapse.
 
*North Korea is a totalitarian nation which has been aggressive toward it's neighbors, South Korea (they are still officially at war) and Japan (they have kidnapped Japanese citizens then killed them OR forced them to work as translators).
 
*Traditional enemies, like South Korea and Japan, may very well want to develop nuclear weapons to defend themselves from North Korea. This nuclear proliferation could then spread to Taiwan. With all these traditional enemies armed with nuclear weapons, a nuclear war is quite likely.
 
[[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 11:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Iran wishes to have nuclear weapons so it can protect itself (threatening [[Mutual assured destruction|MAD]]) from the nuclear arsenals of [[Israel and weapons of mass destruction|Israel]] (and the United States), and also have them on hand to use offensively if they feel like it. Defense/offense is the motivation of every nation which possesses nuclear devices and other [[weapons of mass destruction]]. Oh, and there's a little national glory and pride involved, too. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:21, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
[[North Korea]], enthralled in the cult of [[Kim Jong-il]], has had for many years a million-man army which could flood into [[South Korea]] at a moment's notice. South Korea, however, is protected by the American nuclear umbrella. Under the communist rule, the people of North Korea have suffered some of the worst social disasters (especially starvation) in recent decades. They have few or no resources to pull themselves up. Having nuclear weapons and threatening to use them is one way of getting the world's attention and humanitarian help. In addition, the government is ideologically opposed to the [[Western world|West]], with which it considers itself in a life-or-death struggle. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== Video Law lectures on the Internet ==
 
Where on the Internet can I find video law lectures? With my best thanks.
 
How about [http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/live.htm Law School Video Lectures] -- the first site that came up when I put ''video law lectures'' in the [http://www.google.com/webhp Google search box]. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 19:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== What Kept Hitler ==
 
What kept Hitler from invading Switzerland and Sweden?"
 
:It was useful to have neutral nations nearby for the exchange of prisoners, hiding stolen assets, negotiations, and an escape route once the war was lost. [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 10:13, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::Re Switzerland: Mountainous + fully mobilized citizen army = awful drain on manpower. Switzerland is not an easy country to invade and given the terrible time the Nazis had in occupying the Balkans another open sore would have been a bad idea. But the water is murky here, because the Swiss carried on trade, currency exchange, and general relations with Belin; Swiss banks were used to hide assets of Holocaust victims; and the Swiss closed their borders to potential refugees from the Reich. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 10:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
See our articles [[Switzerland during the World Wars]] (also [[Operation Tannenbaum]]) and [[Sweden during World War II]]. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 13:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
I guess I'm the only one who gets that this is a joke reference, to the fact the question is our very example of questions to ask on this page :P [[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sherurcij|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism|Terrorist Wikiproject]])</sup> 14:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:Haha, this is great! We should change the example question every month or week or something, and see how many people ask it. —[[User:Keenan Pepper|Keenan Pepper]] 16:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::OK, I'm completely out to lunch I guess but where is the sample question on this page? [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 16:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:::[[Wikipedia:Where to ask a question]] says ''For general questions, ask our volunteers at the Reference Desk. e.g."What kept Hitler from invading Switzerland and Sweden?"'' [[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sherurcij|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism|Terrorist Wikiproject]])</sup> 17:15, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
::::Ah good, now I feel like less of a dunce for answering. If I've ever looked at the page, it was months ago at least... Sneaky little devil, whoever asked. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 17:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
==Cover of [[Radiohead]]'s ''Creep'' by "Abigail"==
A while back I heard a cover on [[BBC Radio 2|Radio 2]] of [[Radiohead]]'s song ''[[Creep (song)|Creep]]'' by a female vocalist. All I've managed to find about about her is that she is called "Abigail". I am pretty sure that it isn't [http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:9drvad4kt8w6~T1 this Abigail] as it was a slow, very emotional vocal rendition not a clubbing-type version. It isn't listed in the cover versions in our article on the song.
 
I know this is a long shot, but can anyone help me find a copy of it! [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] 12:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
:[http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=&sql=17:314100 This] is the All Music Guide page, if you haven't checked it, on the song. There are several possibilities. BTW, the "Richard Cheese" version is absolutely hilarious and intolerable (lounge singer parody). [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 13:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
::not nearly as hilarious as his cover of NIN's "Closer"! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
== The Beating Five ==
 
Dear sir, miss,
Franklin's electrical experiments led to his invention of the lightning rod. He noted that conductors with a sharp rather than a smooth point were capable of discharging silently, and at a far greater distance. He surmised that this knowledge could be of use in protecting buildings from lightning, by attaching ''"upright Rods of Iron, made sharp as a Needle and gilt to prevent Rusting, and from the Foot of those Rods a Wire down the outside of the Building into the Ground;...Would not these pointed Rods probably draw the Electrical Fire silently out of a Cloud before it came nigh enough to strike, and thereby secure us from that most sudden and terrible Mischief!"'' Following a series of experiments on Franklin's own house, lightning rods were installed on the Academy of Philadelphia (later the University of Pennsylvania) and the Pennsylvania State House (later Independence Hall) in 1752.<ref>[http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-59/iss-1/p42.html]</ref>
I have an old single with the record label 'Lion Tops'.
The artists are Lennon and Mccartney ( i think John Lennon and Paul
Mccartney )
and the title of the song is 'I wanna hold your hand'.
The name of the band is 'The Beating Five'.
 
In recognition of his work with electricity, Franklin received the [[Royal Society]]'s [[Copley Medal]] in 1753, and in 1756 he became one of the few eighteenth century Americans to be elected as a Fellow of the Society. The [[cgs]] unit of [[electric charge]] has been named after him: one ''franklin'' (Fr) is equal to one [[statcoulomb]].
On the other side of the single the title of the song is
'Think', and there are two names : P. Phitington and dee dee fern.
I've searched on the internet but couldn't find any information.
Maybe professionals can give me more information of the originin
of this record, thats the reason i wrote this email.
 
On [[October 21]], [[1743]], a storm moving from the southwest denied Franklin the opportunity of witnessing a [[lunar eclipse]]. Franklin noted that the prevailing winds were actually from the northeast, contrary to what he had expected. In correspondence with his brother, Franklin learned that the same storm had not reached Boston until after the eclipse, despite the fact that Boston is to the northeast of Philadelphia. He deduced that storms do not always travel in the direction of the prevailing wind, a concept which would have great influence in [[meteorology]].<ref>[http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/almanac/arc2003/alm03oct.htm]</ref>
Kindly
 
Franklin noted a principle of [[refrigeration]] by observing that on a very hot day, he stayed cooler in a wet shirt in a breeze than he did in a dry one. To understand this phenomenon more clearly Franklin conducted experiments. On one warm day in [[Cambridge]], England, in 1758, Franklin and fellow scientist John Hadley experimented by continually wetting the ball of a mercury [[thermometer]] with [[diethyl ether|ether]] and using [[bellows]] to evaporate the ether. With each subsequent [[evaporation]], the thermometer read a lower temperature, eventually reaching 7 °F (-14 °C). Another thermometer showed the room [[temperature]] to be constant at 65 °F (18 °C). In his letter “[[Cooling by Evaporation]],” Franklin noted that “one may see the possibility of freezing a man to death on a warm summer’s day." Each year the frozen food industry gives a Franklin Award in honor of his observing this phenomenon.
Bertus van Soeren
 
===Musical endeavors===
:The [[Beatles]] did originally have five members, then [[Stuart Sutcliffe]] suggested the name The Beatles, so perhaps that was their name for the band at the time. See this page for details: [http://www.geocities.com/penneylayne/bio/sutcliffe.html] [[User:StuRat|StuRat]] 18:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Franklin is known to have played the [[violin]], the [[harp]], and the [[guitar]]. He also composed music, notably a [[string quartet]] in [[Classical music era|early classical style]], and invented a much-improved version of the [[glass harmonica]], in which each glass was made to rotate on its own, with the player's fingers held steady, instead of the other way around; this version soon found its way to Europe.<ref>http://www.finkenbeiner.com/gh.html</ref>
 
===Public life===
:I heard the name "Lion Tops" before. I did a Google search, but couldn't find anything definative. What I remember is that it produced singles out of Germany. Though, I may be remembering Germany and it was actually Sweden or Austria. They did a lot of knock-off singles and tried to make them look like they came from England (printing the labels in English, regardless of typos). From that memory, I do not think it is much of a stretch that they took an English hit by the Beatles, stamped it on a single and mistyped the band's name as "The Beating Five" - especially since the Beatles were a 5-member group that was rather popular in Germany at the time. As for P. Phitington - that is probably another typo. Is it Wittington, which would become Phitington with a German accent? --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 18:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
In 1736, Franklin created the [[Union Fire Company]], the first volunteer [[firefighting]] company in America. In the same year he printed a new currency for [[New Jersey]] based on innovative anti-[[counterfeiting]] techniques which he had devised.
 
As he matured, Franklin began to concern himself more with public affairs. In 1743, he set forth a scheme for [[The Academy and College of Philadelphia]]. He was appointed president of the academy in [[November 13]], [[1749]], and it opened on [[August 13]], [[1751]]. At its first [[commencement]], on [[May 17]], [[1757]], seven men graduated; six with a [[Bachelor of Arts]] and one as [[Master of Arts (postgraduate)|Master of Arts]]. It was later merged with the University of the State of Pennsylvania to become the University of Pennsylvania.
Well, to start with, it's definitely not the Beatles. They never called themselves the Beating five (The Quarrymen, Johnny & the Moondogs, The Silver Beetle band, but not the Beating Five). They also never recored a song called "Think". The early Beatles recordings were released by a number of labels (Lingasong, AFE, Pickwick), but never Lion Tops. What often happened in the early 60s (and since, come to think of it), is that because it wasn't always easy to get recordings of original artists doing particular songs, other bands would be deliberately employed to cover those songs in the style of the original artists, and release the music on local labels. Lion Tops seems to have been a label that went in for this sort of thing - another of their early releases was a cover of "Have I the right?" - a big hit from the early 60s - recorded by Ton Theyn & the Young Ones. The label was based in Utrecht, Netherlands. You can find out a bit more about the label [http://60spunk.m78.com/utrecht.htm here]. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In 1753, both [[Harvard University|Harvard]] and [[Yale University|Yale]] awarded him honorary degrees [http://www.gophila.com/Go/PressRoom/pressreleases/ben300/Resume_Ben_Franklin_Fact_Sheet.aspx].
== Medieval kings of England ==
 
In 1751, Franklin and [[Dr. Thomas Bond]] obtained a charter from the Pennsylvania legislature to establish a [[hospital]]. [[Pennsylvania Hospital]] was the first hospital in what was to become the United States of America.
Can anyone tell me more about the French king Louis who apparently ruled England briefly during the mediaeval period, possibly around the 12th/13th century. I remember the reference from simon Scama's TV history, incidentally, and know all about Blackadder's Richard IV.
:You're thinking of [[Louis VIII of France]] - who invaded (but was never crowned King of) England after the [[First Barons' War]] in 1216. He ruled as king [[de facto]] if not [[de jure]]. [[User:GeeJo|<font style="padding : 0px 1px 1px 1px; border : 1px solid #809EF5; background: #FFFFFF ; color: #99B3FF">GeeJo</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;</small>&nbsp;<small>17:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)</small>
 
[[Image:joinordie.png|left|frame|[[Join, or Die]]: This political cartoon by Franklin urged the colonies to join together during the [[French and Indian War]] ([[Seven Years' War]]).]]
== "Cory" as in Chilean or Polish "Cory" ==
Franklin became involved in Philadelphia politics and progressed rapidly. In October 1748 he was selected as a councilman, in June 1749 he became a [[Justice of the Peace]] for Philadelphia, and in 1751 he was elected to the [[Pennsylvania General Assembly|Pennsylvania Assembly]]. On [[August 10]], [[1753]], Franklin was appointed joint deputy postmaster-general of North America. His most notable service in domestic politics was his reform of the postal system, but his fame as a statesman rests chiefly on his subsequent diplomatic services in connection with the relations of the colonies with Great Britain, and later with France.<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
 
In 1754, he headed the Pennsylvania delegation to the [[Albany Congress]]. This meeting of several colonies had been requested by the [[Board of Trade]] in England to improve relations with the Indians and defense against the French. Franklin proposed a broad Plan of Union for the colonies. While the plan was not adopted, elements of it found their way into the [[Articles of Confederation]] and the Constitution.
I'm a Political Science student and can't find the meaning of this term in "The Third Wave," Samuel P. Huntington, U of Oklahoma Press, 1991. p. 158.
 
In 1757, he was sent to England by the Pennsylvania Assembly as a colonial agent to protest against the political influence of the Penn family, the proprietors of the colony. For five years he remained there, striving to end the proprietors' prerogative to overturn legislation from the elected Assembly, and their exemption from paying taxes on their land. His lack of influential allies in [[Whitehall]] led to the failure of this mission. In 1759, the [[University of St Andrews]] awarded him an Honorary Doctor of Laws degree. In 1762, [[University of Oxford|Oxford University]] awarded Franklin an honorary doctorate for his scientific accomplishments and from then on he went by "Doctor Franklin." He also managed to secure a post for his illegitimate son, William Franklin, as [[Governor of New Jersey|Colonial Governor of New Jersey]].<ref> Van Doren (1991)</ref>
Appreciate your help.
 
During his stay in London, Franklin became involved in radical politics. He was a member of the [[Club of Honest Whigs]], alongside thinkers such as [[Richard Price]].
Janet Hudgins
Vancouver
Canada
:for those without the book in question, could you give some idea of the context? [[User:GeeJo|<font style="padding : 0px 1px 1px 1px; border : 1px solid #809EF5; background: #FFFFFF ; color: #99B3FF">GeeJo</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;</small>&nbsp;<small>18:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)</small>
 
In 1756, Franklin became a member of the Society for the Encouragement of Arts, Manufactures & Commerce (now [[Royal Society of Arts]] or RSA, which had been founded in 1754), whose early meetings took place in coffee shops in London's [[Covent Garden]] district, close to Franklin's main residence in Craven Street (the only one of his residences to survive and which opened to the public as the [[Benjamin Franklin House]] museum on [[January 17]] [[2006]]). After his return to America, Franklin became the Society's Corresponding Member and remained closely connected with the Society. The RSA instituted a Benjamin Franklin Medal in 1956 to commemorate the 250th anniversary of Franklin's birth and the 200th anniversary of his membership of the RSA.
:"The second wave was an expression of machine muscle, the Industrial ... The “Second Wave” was the shift from agricultural societies to industrial societies. [[Toffler]] contrasts industrial ways of organizing societies to new social ...". ''Source'' : google books!
:So, the book about waves must be Alvin Toffler ; first is agriculture, second industry, third is information. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 18:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
During his stays at Craven Street in London between 1757 and 1775, Franklin developed a close friendship with his landlady Margaret Stevenson and her circle of friends and relations, in particular her daughter Mary, who was more often known as Polly.
== Anglicans ==
 
In 1759, he was to visit [[Edinburgh]] with his son, and he recalled his conversations there as "the ''densest'' happiness of my life."<ref>Buchan, ''Crowded with Genius'', p.2</ref>
Assess the problems faced by the Anglican Church during the 16th century?
 
He also joined the influential [[Birmingham]] based [[Lunar Society]] who he regularly corresponded with and visited in Birmingham in the West Midlands, on occasion.
I've no idea where to start with this essay, any ideas?
 
[[Image:Benjamin Franklin by Benjamin Wilson, 1759.jpg|thumb|Benjamin Franklin by [[Benjamin Wilson (painter)|Benjamin Wilson]], 1759.]]
Sure. Latter 1500s. Henry viii forced separation from Rome: problem-- conflicted loyalties among clergy, king vs pope. Reformation is spreading in Europe: problem-- probably a wide range of receptiveness to the Reformation ideas among the clergy and consequently great potential for conflict. Scotland was more receptive to Reformation than England and Presbyterian church becomes dominant: problem-- church conflicts become aligned with the poltical conflicts in the relations of England and Scotland. Kings confiscate monastery property wholesale: problem-- loss of revenue and social power base. Now you are off and running. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 19:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
===Coming of Revolution===
Go rent [[A Man for All Seasons]], essay done! [[User:Sherurcij|Sherurcij]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sherurcij|talk]]) ([[Wikipedia:WikiProject Terrorism|Terrorist Wikiproject]])</sup> 20:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
In 1763, soon after Franklin returned to Pennsylvania, the western frontier was engulfed in a bitter war known as [[Pontiac's Rebellion]]. The [[Paxton Boys]], a group of settlers convinced that the Pennsylvania government was not doing enough to protect them from [[Native Americans in the United States|American Indian]] raids, murdered a group of peaceful Indians and then marched on Philadephia. Franklin helped to organize the local miltia in order to defend the capital against the mob, and then met with the Paxton leaders and persuaded them to disperse. Franklin wrote a scathing attack against the racial prejudice of the Paxton Boys. "If an ''Indian'' injures me," he asked, "does it follow that I may revenge that Injury on all ''Indians''?"<ref>Franklin, [http://www.historycarper.com/resources/twobf3/massacre.htm "A Narrative of the Late Massacres..."]</ref>
 
Many of the Paxton Boys' supporters were Scotch-Irish [[Presbyterianism|Presbyterians]] and [[German Reformed Church|German Reformed]] or [[Lutheranism|Lutherans]] from rural western Pennsylvania, leading to claims that Franklin was biased in favor of the urban [[Quaker]] elite of the East. Because of these accusations, and other attacks on his character, Franklin lost his seat in the 1764 Assembly elections. This defeat, however, allowed him the opportunity to return to London, where he sealed his reputation as a pro-American radical.<ref>Isaacson (2003).</ref>
Wow, that's too big an essay you've got there. I'd never give that as an assignment. Essentially, the Church of England faced the [[Scylla and Charibdis]] of the [[Roman Catholic Church]] and [[Counter-reformation]] on the one hand and the emerging "Geneva Church" ([[John Calvin]]) on the other. It faced these dangers theologically with [[Richard Hooker]]'s ''[[Of the Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity]]'', politically with increasing absolutism of the monarch and decreasing civil rights, militarily with the great naval expansion, economically with a series of alliances with protestant nations, internationally by alliance in several entanglements designed to ensure protestant succession. ''Nothing'' was settled in the 16th century. It wouldn't be settled for good and all until [[1745]]. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 22:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In 1764, Franklin was dispatched to England as an agent for the colony, this time to petition [[George III of the United Kingdom|King George III]] to establish central British control of Pennsylvania, away from its hereditary "proprietors". During this visit he also became colonial agent for [[Georgia (U.S. state)|Georgia]], [[New Jersey]] and [[Massachusetts]]. In London, he actively opposed the proposed Stamp Act, despite accusations by opponents in America that he had been complicit in its creation. His principled opposition to the Stamp Act, and later to the [[Townshend Acts]] of 1767, lead to the end of his dream of a career in the British Government and his alliance with proponents of colonial independence. It also led to an irreconcilable break with his son William, who remained loyal to the British.<ref>Isaacson (2003)</ref>
== Doonesbury Quote ==
There was a Doonesbury comic a while ago involving someone (I believe Mark Slackmeyer's dad) shouting "Death, be not proud!" while being wheeled into the emergency room. This wasn't actually shown, it was described secondhand by his wife to his son. Another phrase I remember from it was, "It was just so tacky." Does anyone know how I could find this particular cartoon online, or which of the book collections it showed up in? Time's a factor. [[User:Black Carrot|Black Carrot]] 19:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
[[Image:Franklin-Benjamin-LOC.jpg|thumb|left|Franklin in 1783, an engraving from a painting by [[Joseph Duplessis]].]]
:I don't know, but it was fun browsing [[Doonesbury]] and [[List of published collections of Doonesbury]]. You could start there and wish for luck. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 21:02, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In September 1767, Franklin visited Paris with his usual traveling partner, Sir [[John Pringle]]. News of his electrical discoveries was widespread in France. His reputation meant that he was introduced to many influential scientists and politicians, and also to King [[Louis XV]].<ref>Isaacson (2003)</ref>
== Who influenced Hitler? ==
 
While living in London in 1768, he developed a [[Benjamin Franklin's phonetic alphabet|phonetic alphabet]] in ''A Scheme for a new Alphabet and a Reformed Mode of Spelling''. This reformed alphabet discarded six letters Franklin regarded as redundant (c, j, q, w, x and y), and substituted six new letters for sounds he felt lacked letters of their own; however, his new alphabet never caught on and he eventually lost interest. [http://www.omniglot.com/writing/franklin.htm]
Since Adolf Hitler had moved to Linz after his parents death and his history teacher Professor Leopold Poetsch had influenced himabout the ideas to reunite the german-speaking people under one government. Who else has influenced Hitler in terms of his thoughts, ideas and concepts?
 
In 1771, Franklin traveled extensively around the British Isles staying with, among others, [[Joseph Priestley]] and [[David Hume]]. In [[Dublin]], Franklin was invited to sit with the members of the [[Irish Parliament]] rather than in the gallery. He was the first American to be given this honor.[http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/biography/chap05.htm] While touring Ireland he was astounded and moved by the level of poverty he saw there. Ireland was subject to the trade regulations and laws of England, which affected the Irish economy, and Franklin feared that America could suffer the same plight if Britain’s exploitation of the colonies continued.[http://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/exp_worldly_ireland.html]
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In 1773, Franklin published two of his most celebrated pro-American satirical essays: [[s:Rules By Which A Great Empire May Be Reduced To A Small One|''Rules by Which a Great Empire May Be Reduced to a Small One'']], and ''An Edict by the King of Prussia''.[http://www.historycarper.com/resources/twobf3/pa-1773.htm] He also published an ''Abridgment of the Book of Common Prayer'', anonymously with [[Francis Dashwood]]. Among the unusual features of this work is a funeral service reduced to six minutes in length, "to preserve the health and lives of the living".<ref>Isaacson (2003)</ref>
Thank You.
 
===Hutchinson Letters===
:See [[Hitler]]. It has a quick, but well written rundown on his early years. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 21:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Franklin obtained some private letters from Massachusetts governor [[Thomas Hutchinson]] and lieutenant governor [[Andrew Oliver]] which proved they were encouraging London to crack down in the rights of the Bostonians. Franklin sent them to America where they escalated the tensions. Franklin now appeared to the British as the fomenter of serious trouble. Hopes for a peaceful solution ended as he was systematically ridiculed and humiliated by the Privy Council. He left London in March 1775.<ref>Isaacson (2003)</ref>
 
===Declaration of Independence===
You might also consider looking through some of the articles on early 20th century German history - such as [[Kapp Putsch]]. They may give you more clues. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Declaration independence.jpg|thumb|right|300px|[[John Trumbull]] depicts the [[Committee of Five]] presenting their work to the Congress.<ref>http://www.americanrevolution.org/deckey.html</ref>]]
 
By the time Franklin arrived in Philadelphia on [[May 5]], the [[American Revolution]] had begun with fighting at [[Battles of Lexington and Concord|Lexington and Concord]]. The New England [[militia]] had trapped the main British army in Boston. The [[American Revolutionary War|Revolutionary War]] had begun. The Pennsylvania Assembly unanimously chose Franklin as their delegate to the [[Second Continental Congress]]. In 1776, he was a member of the [[Committee of Five]] that drafted the [[United States Declaration of Independence|Declaration of Independence]] and made several small changes to [[Thomas Jefferson|Thomas Jefferson's]] draft.<ref>Isaacson (2003)</ref>
== Composer ==
 
At the signing, he is quoted as having stated: "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
The 1976 Summer Olympics were held in Montreal and I believe the closing ceremonies were a tribute to the Five Nationsm in which the music featured was that of a young man whose first name was Maurice. Does anyone know his last name and any information about him. Roland
 
===Ambassador to France: 1776-1785===
:Maurice Forget gave the official oath. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 22:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
In December 1776, he was dispatched to France as [[commissioner]] for the United States. He lived in a home in the Parisian suburb of [[Passy]], donated by [[Jacques-Donatien Le Ray|Jacques-Donatien Le Ray de Chaumont]] who helped the United States. Franklin remained in France until 1785, and was such a favorite of French society that it became fashionable for wealthy French families to decorate their parlors with a painting of him. He was highly flirtatious in the French manner (but did not have any actual affairs.) He conducted the affairs of his country towards the French nation with great success, which included securing a critical military alliance and negotiating the [[Treaty of Paris (1783)]]. When he finally returned home in 1785, he received a place only second to that of [[George Washington]] as the champion of American independence. Le Ray honored him with a commissioned portrait painted by [[Joseph Duplessis]] that now hangs in the National Portrait Gallery of the [[Smithsonian Institution]] in [[Washington, DC]].
 
After his return from France, Franklin became an [[abolitionist]], freeing both of his slaves. He eventually became president of [[The Society for the Relief of Free Negroes Unlawfully Held in Bondage]]. [http://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/l3_citizen_abolitionist.html]
See [[1976 Summer Olympics]]. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 22:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In 1787, he served as a delegate to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. He played an honorific role but seldom engaged in debate. He is the only Founding Father who is a signatory of all four of the major documents of the founding of the United States: the Declaration of Independence, the Treaty of Paris, the [[Treaty of Alliance]] with France, and the United States Constitution.
::I did look at the Wikipedia article and then at the official olympic.org website. They disagree, so went with the Olympic's site and spelled it "Forget". I then Googled for both names and turned up many unrelated hits. (also - do not edit other's comments. Simply comment for yourself.) --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 23:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In 1787, a group of prominent ministers in [[Lancaster, Pennsylvania]], proposed the foundation of a new college to be named in Franklin's honor. Franklin donated £200 towards the development of Franklin College; which is now called [[Franklin and Marshall College]].
:::Seems I touched a nerve there. Sorry. [[User talk:Gdr|Gdr]] 23:44, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Between 1771 and 1788, he finished his [[autobiography]]. While it was at first addressed to his son, it was later completed for the benefit of mankind at the request of a friend.
== Meta-God ==
 
In his later years, as Congress was forced to deal with the issue of [[History of slavery in the United States|slavery]], Franklin wrote several essays that attempted to convince his readers of the importance of the abolition of slavery and of the integration of Africans into American society. These writings included:
ok... I hope this doesn't sound too heretical ( well it will but I hope I don't offend noone since I'm only a silly annoying speculating psychology student).
*''[[s:An Address to the Public|An Address to the Public from the Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery]]'', (1789)
What if God turns out to exist and by this I mean a complicated notion of god resembling mysticism and not monotheism the way it's understood by children. (meaning a human-like god).
*''[[s:Plan for Improving the Condition of the Free Blacks|Plan for Improving the Condition of the Free Blacks]]'' (1789), and
*''Sidi Mehemet Ibrahim on the Slave Trade'' (1790).
 
In 1790, Quakers from New York and Pennsylvania presented their petition for abolition. Their argument against slavery was backed by the Pennsylvania Abolitionist Society and its president, Benjamin Franklin.
I mean for example, the way Meister Eckhart saw God...ok, let's say I take skepticism to it's extreme and say that not even God can be sure he is the ultimate? since he (it or whatever) can always have the doubt that He can be being fooled into believing he is the ulitmate and be given apparent control over the multiverse or universe or maybe HAVE that control, but be no more than a simulation or something of that sort controlled by outside forces (whatever they may be) .
 
===President of Pennsylvania===
ok so what I'm saying is that there can ALWAYS be a possibility of being 'fooled' by something outside,no matter how accurate scientifically, or compellingly mystical or Godly a notion, reason can always make us doubt.
even if a mystic thinks he/she reaches union with God or a buddhist thinks he/she reaches nirvana, even then, that can only be make believe...because if there where no room for doubt, mysticism would already be the dominationg philosphy and be regarded as the truth...but it is not and I suppose that is because there is room for: A) an ''irrational'' truth -or- B)a make believe 'ultimate', maybe only make believe for us, and maybe make believe for 'the ultimate' also.
 
In special balloting conducted [[18 November]] [[1785]] Franklin was unanimously elected the sixth [[Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania#Presidents of Council|President]] of the [[Supreme Executive Council of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania|Supreme Executive Council of Pennsylvania]], replacing [[John Dickinson (delegate)|John Dickinson]]. The office of President of Pennsylvania was analogous to the modern position of [[List of Governors of Pennsylvania|Governor]]. It is not clear why Dickinson needed to be replaced with less than two weeks remaining before the regular election. Franklin held that office for slightly over three years, longer than any other President of the Council, and served the Constitutional limit of three full terms. Shortly after his initial election he was reelected to a full term on [[29 October]] 1785, and again in the fall of [[1786]] and on [[31 October]] [[1787]]. Officially, his term concluded on [[5 November]] [[1788]], but there is some question regarding the ''[[de facto]]'' end of his term, suggesting that the aging Franklin may not have been actively involved in the day-to-day operation of the Council toward the end of his time in office.
is there any philosopher that postulated this? are there faults in my reasoning that I haven't noticed?.-
I'm sorry if this question is really crazy and stupid...-[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 23:02, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 
===Virtue, religion and personal beliefs===
:[[Delusion]], especially self-delusion, by definition can't be recognized by the deludee. So we can easily imagine a deluded, self-deluded god. However, [[Doubt]] is not merely, or even mostly, rationalistic. In [[Analytic philosophy]], doubt about God isn't on the table for discussion. Such topics are "bracketed," meaning excluded from discussion.
Like the other advocates of [[Republicanism in the United States|republicanism]], Franklin emphasized that the new republic could survive only if the people were virtuous in the sense of attention to civic duty and rejection of corruption. Indeed all his life he had been exploring the role of civic and personal virtue, as expressed in ''Poor Richard's'' aphorisms.
 
Although Franklin's parents had intended for him to have a career in the church, Franklin became disillusioned with organized religion after discovering [[Deism]]. ''"I soon became a thorough Deist."''[http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/bios/franklin/chpt4.htm] He went on to attack Christian principles of free will and morality in a 1725 pamphlet, ''[[A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain]].''[http://www.historycarper.com/resources/twobf1/m7.htm] He consistently attacked religious dogma, arguing that morality was more dependent upon virtue and benevolent actions than on strict obedience to religious orthodoxy: ''"I think opinions should be judged by their influences and effects; and if a man holds none that tend to make him less virtuous or more vicious, it may be concluded that he holds none that are dangerous, which I hope is the case with me."''[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/129/story_12914_3.html]
:The [[Mystics]] don't necessarily exclude or derogate reason. They simply claim experience which can't be proven or disproven by reason and empricist approaches. As [[Blaise Pascal|Pascal]] put it in his [[Pens%C3%A9es#On_heart_and_head|''Pensées'']], ''Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas'': "The heart has its reasons, of which reason knows nothing." --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 02:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
A few years later, Franklin repudiated his 1725 pamphlet as an embarrassing "erratum".
::I think [[Woody Allen]] ruined that quote for at least a generation... [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 02:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
In 1790, just about a month before he died, Franklin wrote the following in a letter to Ezra Stiles, president of Yale, who had asked him his views on religion...:
{{cquote2|As to [[Jesus]] of [[Nazareth]], my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupt changes, and I have, with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble...." (Carl Van Doren. Benjamin Franklin. New York: The Viking Press, 1938, p. 777.)}}
 
Like most [[Enlightenment]] intellectuals, Franklin separated virtue, morality, and faith from organized religion, although he felt that if religion in general grew weaker, morality, virtue, and society in general would also decline. Thus he wrote [[Thomas Paine]], ''"If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it."'' According to [[David Morgan]],<ref>David T. Morgan, "Benjamin Franklin: Champion of Generic Religion." The Historian. 62#4 2000. pp 722+</ref> Franklin was a proponent of all religions. He prayed to ''"Powerful Goodness"'' and referred to God as the ''"INFINITE."'' John Adams noted that Franklin was a mirror in which people saw their own religion: "The [[Catholicism|Catholics]] thought him almost a Catholic. The [[Church of England]] claimed him as one of them. The Presbyterians thought him half a Presbyterian, and the Friends believed him a wet Quaker." Whatever else Benjamin Franklin was, concludes Morgan, "he was a true champion of generic religion." Ben Frankin was noted to be "the spirit of the Enlightenment".
That can be, but what if the heart (as a metaphor for mysticism as opposed to the brain representing reason and skepticism)is deluded?...what I mean here is that 100% absolute knowledge isn't possible and maybe it's so for God too (the most probable thing is that it isn't and He knows everything) but there is a posibility for him to doubt he is the ultimate...even if He is, He can still have doubts about it...he can for example, I don't know, sometimes believe that he is a celular automata controlled by an outside environment.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 02:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:This is the type of question that [[Thomas Aquinas]] would have thought reasonable, but [[Ludwig Wittgenstein]] would have pointed out is simply a meaningless linguistic generation without any relation to anything real. So make sure you arrange a seance with the right dead European philosopher. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 02:42, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
[[Walter Isaacson]] argues[http://www.beliefnet.com/story/129/story_12914_1.html] that Franklin became uncomfortable with an unenhanced version of deism and comes up with his own conception of the Creator. Franklin outlined his concept of deity in 1728, in his "[[Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion]]" [http://www.historycarper.com/resources/twobf2/articles.htm]. From this, Isaacson compares Franklin's conception of deity to that of strict deists and orthodox Christians. Isaacson concludes that unlike most pure deists, Franklin believed that a faith in God should inform our daily actions<!---Isaacson is quite misleading here - Essential deism includes: 1. Virtue and piety are the chief parts of divine worship. 2. We ought to be sorry for our sins and repent of them. 3. Divine goodness doth dispense rewards and punishments both in this life and after it. JIM... REFERENCES FOR ITEM#3 PLEASE... See TALK page-->, but that, like other deists, his faith was devoid of sectarian dogma. Isaacson also discusses Franklin's conception that God had created beings who do interfere in wordly matters&mdash;a point that has lead some commentators, most notably A. Owen Aldridge, to read Franklin as embracing some sort of polytheism, with a bevy of lesser gods overseeing various realms and planets.
hahahaha!!! :D :D :D I'm glad my question wasn't taken as if I was heretical or delusional :S !!
how and which kind of reasoning would wittgenstein have used to say what I asked was meaningless? maybe meaningless for our immediate reality but I'm talking about metaphysics.
and also, how could a Theologian and religious person like Aquinas find reasonable a doubt about God's omniscience? since what I know of Aquinas was that he loooved to ''prove'' God existed and so I'm quite sure he would've come up with a rationalization that refutes my question hehe. --[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 03:04, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::I didn't say Tom would have agreed with you, just that he would have considered it a meaningful proposition, even if provably false. On the other hand, Ludwig would have dismissed it as an artefact of language: just because you can generate a proposition or a question by applying standard language rules to an abstract noun like ''God'', it doesn't necessarily represent a model of reality, and logical manipulation of it doesn't yield any more knowledge of the world than you started with. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 03:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
On [[July 4]], [[1776]], Congress appointed a committee that included Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams to design the [[Great Seal of the United States]]. Skousen<ref> Skousen, W. Cleon, "The Five Thousand Year Leap", National Center for Constitutional Studies (1981), pp. 17-18. </ref> summarizes how this committee created and approved the first proposed design for the seal (which ultimately was not adopted). Each member of the committee proposed a unique design: Franklin's proposal featured a design with the motto: "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God". This design was to portray a scene from the Book of [[Exodus]], complete with [[Moses]], the [[Israel]]ites, the pillar of fire, and George III depicted as [[Pharaoh]] [http://www.greatseal.com/committees/firstcomm/index.html].
:After a [[Aquinas#Career|mystic experience]], Aquinas set aside forever his academic, intellectual, theological work. He never finished his [[Summa Theologiae|''Summa'']]. You might judge by that how powerful a mystic experience can be. Or you can simply dismiss it as delusional. Actually, you'll never know unless you experience it yourself. And then you won't "know." You'll be in ''[[The Cloud of Unknowing]].'' --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 03:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, me and the Eckmeister. I am still waiting for mine. [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 04:14, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
At the Constitutional Convention in [[1787]], when the convention seemed to head for disaster due to heated debate, the elderly Franklin displayed his conviction of a deity that was intimately involved in human affairs by requesting that each day's session begin with prayers. Franklin recalled the days of the Revolutionary War, when the American leaders assembled in prayer daily, seeking "divine guidance" from the "Father of lights." He then rhetorically asked, ''"And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance?"'' [http://www.house.gov/forbes/prayer/prayerincongress.htm].
hahahhaa!! :D same here...--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 17:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
Although Franklin may have financially supported one particular Presbyterian group in Philadelphia [http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/hst/biography/TheAutobiographyofBenjaminFranklin/chap28.html], it nevertheless appears that he never formally joined any particular Christian denomination or any other religion.
::Sorry, there is no God, so all your discussions here are merely playing with language. If you believe there is a God then He is unknown and all the discussions are still meaningless - [[User:Arpingstone|Adrian Pingstone]] 09:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
According to the epitaph Franklin wrote for himself at the age of 20, it is clear that he believed in a physical resurrection of the body some time after death. Whether this belief was held throughout his life is unclear.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin#Death_and_afterwards]
hmmm... well when I say God I mean truth... I outgrew the human-like God when I was 14.
and also, if we are merely playing with language, and reality allows us to do that, doesn't that mean that reality (truth) is weirder than we can imagine? since I know math is 'stuck' because we can know things but we can't know why they are so...but I can be so wrong since I'm not a philosopher, and I can be sooo crazy, but can you explain me on what basis can you dismiss my question with such confidence? please, because I need to understand.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 17:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
===Virtue===
Cosmic, see [[Omnipotence paradox]]. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 09:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Franklin sought to cultivate his character by a plan of thirteen virtues, which he developed at age 20 (in 1726) and continued to practice in some form for the rest of his life. His autobiography (see references below) lists his thirteen virtues as:
 
# "TEMPERANCE. Eat not to dullness; drink not to elevation."
About that paradox, I think that God CAN act irrationally,(since existence doesn't seem that rational to me when I question it)...if God can, then there's no hope that we understand 'it' 'him' because we are logical mentally.--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 17:30, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
# "SILENCE. Speak not but what may benefit others or yourself; avoid trifling conversation."
# "ORDER. Let all your things have their places; let each part of your business have its time."
# "RESOLUTION. Resolve to perform what you ought; perform without fail what you resolve."
# "FRUGALITY. Make no expense but to do good to others or yourself; i.e., waste nothing."
# "INDUSTRY. Lose no time; be always employ'd in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions."
# "SINCERITY. Use no hurtful deceit; think innocently and justly, and, if you speak, speak accordingly."
# "JUSTICE. Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty."
# "MODERATION. Avoid extremes; forbear resenting injuries so much as you think they deserve."
# "CLEANLINESS. Tolerate no uncleanliness in body, cloaths, or habitation."
# "TRANQUILLITY. Be not disturbed at trifles, or at accidents common or unavoidable."
# "CHASTITY. Rarely use venery but for health or offspring, never to dullness, weakness, or the injury of your own or another's peace or reputation."
# "HUMILITY. Imitate Jesus and [[Socrates]]."
 
===Death and afterwards===
:Is God in self-delusion ? Are we logical mentally ? For us, it seems that there is some unconscious mind driving us. This "Das ?" is not logical.
[[Image:Benjamin Franklin Memorial.jpg|right|thumb|165px|Memorial marble statue of Ben Franklin]]
:As for God, first thing, does He believe in you, in us ? Is there reciprocity : some admit a forceful Yes, I don't.
Benjamin Franklin died on [[April 17]], [[1790]], at age 84. His funeral was attended by about 20,000 people. He was interred in [[Christ Church Burial Ground]] in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Christ Church Burial Ground is also the home of [[Benjamin Rush]]. One of the houses he lived in on Craven Street was previously marked with a [[blue plaque]] and has since been opened to the public as the Benjamin Franklin House [http://www.benjaminfranklinhouse.org/site/sections/default.htm]. In 1728, as a young man, Franklin wrote what he hoped would be his own epitaph: "''The Body of B. Franklin Printer; Like the Cover of an old Book, Its Contents torn out, And stript of its Lettering and Gilding, Lies here, Food for Worms. But the Work shall not be wholly lost: For it will, as he believ'd, appear once more, In a new & more perfect Edition, Corrected and Amended By the Author. He was born on January 17, 1706. Died 17.''"[http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/franklin-epitaph.html] Franklin's actual grave, however, as he specified in his final will[http://sln.fi.edu/franklin/family/lastwill.html], simply reads "''Benjamin and Deborah Franklin.''"
:Let's say that few psychology students really try to think, and they are the ones who should. Let's not leave this to theologians. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 17:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
In the book ''The Life of Benjamin Franklin'' as written by himself, a passage (obviously not written by himself) reads thus about Franklin's death: "''...when his pain and difficulty of breathing entirely left him, and his family were flattering themselves wit the hopes of his recovery, when an imposthumations, which had formed itself in his lungs, suddenly burst, and discharged a great quantity of matter, which he continued to throw up while he had strength to do it; but, as that failed, the organ of inspiration became gradually oppressed; a calm lethargic state succeeded, and on the 17th of April, 1790, at eleven o'clock at night, he quietly expired, closing a long and useful life of eighty-four years and three months''"
:...Reading again : I do not mean that you are of the many who do not think. Go on! --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 17:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
At his death, Franklin [[bequest|bequeathed]] £1,000 (about $4,400 at the time) each to the cities of Boston and Philadelphia, in trust for 200 years. The origin of the trust began in 1785 when a French [[mathematician]] named Charles-Joseph Mathon de la Cour wrote a [[parody]] of Franklin's Poor Richard's Almanack called Fortunate Richard. In it he mocked the unbearable spirit of American optimism represented by Franklin. The Frenchman wrote a piece about Fortunate Richard leaving a small sum of money in his will to be used only after it had collected interest for 500 years. Franklin, who was 79 years old at the time, wrote back to the Frenchman, thanking him for a great idea and telling him that he had decided to leave a bequest of 1,000 pounds each to his native Boston and his adopted Philadelphia, on the condition that it be placed in a fund that would gather interest over a period of 200 years. As of 1990, over $2,000,000 had accumulated in Franklin's Philadelphia trust since his death. During the lifetime of the trust, Philadelphia used it for a variety of loan programs to local residents. From 1940 to 1990, the money was used mostly for mortgage loans. When the trust came due, Philadelphia decided to spend it on scholarships for local high school students. Franklin's Boston trust fund accumulated almost $5,000,000 during that same time, and eventually was used to establish a trade school that, over time, became the [[Benjamin Franklin Institute of Technology|Franklin Institute of Boston]]. [http://www.mathsci.appstate.edu/~sjg/class/1010/wc/finance/franklin1.html (Excerpt from Philadelphia Inquirer article by Clark De Leon)]
thank you, yeah well first of all I hope the admins don't get upset over the length of this question...:S since it says up there that further discussion should be moved to another place like a talk page. also...well thank you DLL, I think that way too, psychology needs theology even more than maybe theologians need it since our job here is to point people in ''the right direction'' but I myself have a very vage idea of what is ''right'' and we can't know what is ''right'' until we know what is the truth since our notions of right and wrong may be even backwards...and there are a lot of psychologists (specially my teachers) that pretend to know the truth, I sympathise more with the ones with naturalistic world views but there are those with a mystical blend to them, which I cannot grasp and they may be right...so in conclusion, I guess we can't know what is 'mental health' since we don't know what truth is, so a shizophrenic person may be more sane that we are just because the truth is weird and resembles his thought pattern more than it does ours. (it's obviously not that way in the 'real' world since it apears to be rational, but I'm talking about the bassis of it)--[[User:Cosmic girl|Cosmic girl]] 20:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:I'm hesitent adding to this because it's so long, but I think I have a point that hasn't been brought up yet. One is that, if you accept a common assertion that God created creation, then it could logically follow that He created its rules and would therefore know exactly how omnipotent He is because He knows all the rules. So, by this line of reasoning, applying the psychology of a human perspective to Him is meaningless because His perspective is different. -[[User:LambaJan|LambaJan]] 20:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
The lasting legacy of Benjamin Franklin has resulted in the appearance of his image in various places. Franklin's likeness adorns the American [[U.S. hundred dollar bill|$100 bill]] (as a result, $100 bills are sometimes referred to in slang as "Benjamins" or "Franklins.") From 1948 to 1964, Franklin's portrait was also on the [[Franklin half dollar|half dollar]]. He has also appeared on a $50 bill in the past, as well as several varieties of the $100 bill from 1914 and 1918, and every $100 bill from 1928 to the present. Franklin also appears on the $1,000 Series EE [[Treasury security#Savings bond|Savings bond]]. As a tribute to Franklin's legacy, the city of Philadelphia contains around 5,000 likenesses of Benjamin Franklin, about half of which are located on the [[University of Pennsylvania]] campus. Additionally, Philadelphia's [[Ben Franklin Parkway]] (a major thoroughfare) and [[Ben Franklin Bridge]] (the first major bridge to connect Philadelphia with [[New Jersey]]) are named in his honor.
= January 30 =
 
In 1976, as part of a [[United States Bicentennial|bicentennial]] celebration, [[United States Congress|Congress]] dedicated a 20-foot (6&nbsp;m) high marble statue in Philadelphia's Franklin Institute as the [[Benjamin Franklin National Memorial]]. Many of Franklin's personal possessions are also on display at the Institute. It is one of the few national memorials located on [[private property]].
== Noah, Ham, Shem, Japheth ==
 
[[Image:BenjaminFranklinGrave.2005.JPG|thumb|left|250px|The grave of Benjamin Franklin in Christ Church Burial Ground, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.]]
We are trying to find out the age of Noah and his sons Ham, Shem and Japheth when they died. --"""
 
In 1998, workmen restoring Franklin's London home (Benjamin Franklin House) dug up the remains of six children and four adults hidden below the home. ''[[The Times]]'' reported on [[February 11]], [[1998]]:
Noah was 950 (Gen. 9:29). I don't think the ages of Ham, Shem, and Japheth are given, but you can search through Genesis chapters 6-9. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 02:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
''Initial estimates are that the bones are about 200 years old and were buried at the time Franklin was living in the house, which was his home from 1757 to 1762 and from 1764 to 1775. Most of the bones show signs of having been dissected, sawn or cut. One skull has been drilled with several holes. Paul Knapman, the Westminster Coroner, said yesterday: "I cannot totally discount the possibility of a crime. There is still a possibility that I may have to hold an inquest."''
950 years! How many people in the world believe this? [[User:deeptrivia|deeptrivia]] ([[User talk:deeptrivia|talk]]) 05:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:there are suggestions that the incredible ages in the Old testament are a mistranslation or misunderstanding - a confusion with an old method of calculating time by lunar cycles. 950 lunar months would work out at about 73 years. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 09:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
The Friends of Benjamin Franklin House (the organization responsible for the restoration of Franklin's house at 36 Craven Street in London) note that the bones were likely placed there by [[William Hewson]], who lived in the house for 2 years and who had built a small anatomy school at the back of the house. They note that while Franklin likely knew what Hewson was doing, he probably did not participate in any dissections because he was much more of a physicist than a medical man. [http://www.benjaminfranklinhouse.org/site/sections/news/pdf/Issue2.pdf]
::Also, reportedly, many literalists believe that the amount of inbreeding that had to occur chopped human life expectancy right, right down. <font style="color:#00BB55"><u><b>s</b>murray</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><u>inch</u></font>[[WP:EA|<font style="color:green">'''''e'''''</font>]]<font style="color:#00AA77"><u>ster</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><sup>([[User:Smurrayinchester|User]]), ([[User talk:Smurrayinchester|Talk]])</sup></font> 18:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:To answer deeptrivia's question directly, yes there are a significant number of people that believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible. Primarily fundamental Christians. We have articles on it, try reading from [[Bible]] and go from there. I think it's not majorly different from people tht believe literally in the Koran, Gita, etc. There are statements in the Bible that could directly lead one to conclude that the age and time numbers given in the Bible are meant ''not'' to be taken literally, but many people refuse to let the facts get in the way of a good story. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] <sup><small>[[User talk:Taxman|Talk]]</small></sup> 23:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Shem was 600 years old when he died (see Genesis chapter 11 verses 10-11)
 
==Exhibitions==
:Grutness is probably right. Not only did the Torah Hebrews count years differently, but they counted differently in general (with a base-12 system). However, the mistranslation has consequences for folks in the west. [[James Ussher]], the [[Archbishop of Armagh]], infamously set the date of the creation of the world at October 23, 4004 BC. He did this by going with known history and then counting the ages of the patriarchs in the Bible. Furthermore, the various Chronicles in the [[Anglo-Saxon Chronicle]] began with the Creation, and they did this by also counting the ages of the patriarchs (although none of them came up with 4004 BC). The reason this is more than a joke, though, is that there are people out there ''now'' using Ussher's dating to deny evolution and geology, and the mistake in calculating the ages of patriarchs means that, had Ussher known about the lunar ages, he's have put the creation at more nearly 2800 BC. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
"The Princess and the Patriot: [[Yekaterina Romanovna Vorontsova-Dashkova|Ekaterina Dashkova]], Benjamin Franklin and the Age of Enlightenment" exhibition opened in Philadelphia in February 2006 and ran through December 2006. Benjamin Franklin and Dashkova met only once, in Paris in 1781. Franklin was 75 and Dashkova was 37. Franklin invited Dashkova to become the first woman to join the [[American Philosophical Society]] and the only woman to be so honored for another 80 years. Later, Dashkova reciprocated by making him the first American member of the [[Russian Academy of Sciences]].
 
==Popular culture==
::At last the catholic church glose tells us that the years may be taken as a metaphore of a long life ; Or a symbol, see also [[Gematria]]. --[[User:Harvestman|DLL]] 17:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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[[Image:Usdollar100front.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Franklin on the [[U.S. one hundred dollar bill]].]]
Franklin, in his "Poor Richard" persona, helped create popular culture in America. In turn he has been included in many different popular culture media, of which this list is a small, recent sample.
* [[Daylight saving time]] came from his essay "An Economical Project".
* When Franklin was minister to France in the 1770s, Paris was awash in miniatures, painting, statues and representations of him, usually dressed as a frontiersman.
* Franklin appears as a main character in the [[Broadway theatre|Broadway]] [[musical theatre|musicals]] ''[[Ben Franklin in Paris]]'' (portrayed by [[Robert Preston (actor)|Robert Preston]]) and ''[[1776 (musical)|1776]]'' (portrayed by [[Howard da Silva]]).
* The television show ''[[MythBusters]]'' (Discovery channel) tested Franklin's famous kite experiment with electricity.
* A young Franklin appears in Neal Stephenson's novel of 17th century science and alchemy, ''[[Quicksilver (novel)|Quicksilver]]''.
* [[Walt Disney|Walt Disney's]] cartoon ''[[Ben and Me]]'' (1953), based on the book by [[Robert Lawson (author)|Robert Lawson]], counterfactually explains to children that Franklin's achievements were actually the ideas of a mouse named Amos.
* Franklin surprisingly appears as a character in ''[[Tony Hawk's Underground 2]]'', a [[skateboarding]] [[video game]]. Players encounter Franklin in his hometown of Boston and are able to play as him there after.
* ''Proud Destiny'' by [[Lion Feuchtwanger]], a novel mainly about [[Pierre Beaumarchais]] and Franklin beginning in 1776's Paris.
* Franklin appears in the [[LucasArts]] Entertainment Company Game ''[[Day of the Tentacle]]''.
* Franklin is portrayed in a central role in the [[Public Broadcasting Service|PBS]] cartoon ''[[Liberty's Kids]]'' voiced by [[Walter Cronkite]].
* The 2004 [[movie]] ''[[National Treasure (film)|National Treasure]]'' has the main characters trying to collect clues left by Franklin to discover a treasure that he supposedly hid. The character played by [[Nicolas Cage]] was named "Benjamin Franklin Gates", in following with the Gates family tradition to name sons after Franklin and his contemporaries.
* The [[Franklin Templeton Investments]] firm (originally Franklin Distributors, Inc.) was named in honor of Franklin and uses his [[portrait]] in their [[logo]].
* The [[children's literature|children's novel]] ''[[Qwerty Stevens: Stuck in Time with Benjamin Franklin]]'' has the main characters using their [[time travel|time machine]] to bring Franklin into modern times and then to travel back with him to 1776.
* Franklin is one of the main characters in [[Gregory Keyes]]' ''[[The Age of Unreason]]'' [[tetralogy]].
* A 1992 ''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' [[parody|spoof]] of ''[[Quantum Leap]]'', "Founding Fathers", had Franklin traveling through time with [[George Washington]] and Thomas Jefferson to help modern day Americans with [[deficit]] reduction, only to find twentieth century [[reporters]] are only interested in [[scandal]] and [[sensationalism]].
* Franklin appears in several episodes of ''[[Histeria]]'', voiced by actor [[Billy West (voice actor)|Billy West]] similarly to [[Jay Leno]]. He is frequently shown flying his kite in a lightning storm and being electrocuted as a [[running gag]].
* The science-fiction TV show ''[[Voyagers!]]'' had the main characters helping Franklin fly his [[kite flying|kite]] in one episode and save his mother from a fictionalized [[salem witch trials|Salem Witch Trial]] in the next episode.
* "Julian McGrath," played by [[Cole Sprouse]] and [[Dylan Sprouse]], appears as Franklin in a school play in the [[Adam Sandler]] comedy ''[[Big Daddy (film)|Big Daddy]]''.
* The time-travel card game [[Chrononauts|Early American Chrononauts]] includes a card called Franklin's Kite which players can symbolically acquire from the year 1752.
* [[Stan Freberg]]'s comedic audio recording, ''Stan Freberg Presents the United States of America: The Early Years'', depicts all of Franklin's accomplishments as having been made by his young apprentice, Myron.
* [[Beavis and Butthead]] once got into trouble after attempting to fly a kite in a thunderstorm, copying what they saw on an educational show about Franklin.
* Franklin appears in [[Fred Saberhagen]]'s "The Frankenstein Papers", and part of the novel is written as letters to Franklin.
* In ''[[The Adventures of Dr. McNinja]]'', McNinja's mentor in medical school was the clone of Franklin. In the story, the clone asks McNinja if he will assist him in a project to grant eternal life.
* In season 3 of ''[[Bewitched]]'', Aunt Clara accidentally brings him forward in time to repair a broken electrical lamp.
* Franklin has been portrayed in several works of fiction, such as [[The Fairly Oddparents]] and [[Ask a Ninja]], as having lightning-and-kite-based superpowers akin to those of [[Storm (comics)|Storm]] from [[X-Men]].
* [[M*A*S*H]] protagonist [[Hawkeye Pierce|Benjamin Franklin "Hawkeye" Pierce]] is named after both Benjamin Franklin and [[President of the United States|President]] [[Franklin Pierce]].
*In Giacomo Puccini's Italian opera of 1904, [[Madam Butterfly]], the archetypical American who betrays Madam Butterfly is Benjamin Franklin Pinkerton, Lieutenant in the United States Navy. The libretto was based on a short story by an American author [[John Luther Long]], whose sister was a missionary in Japan.
*In the 1993 movie [[The Sandlot]], actor [[Mike Vitar]]'s character is named Benjamin Franklin Rodriguez.
* An independently produced public radio series, ''Craven Street'', (2003) dramatizes Franklin's last five years in London before the American Revolution.
*In a [[2004]] sketch on the [[FOX]] show [[MADtv|Mad TV]], Franklin, played by [[Paul Vogt]], sends [[Samuel Adams]], played by [[Josh Meyers]], to the future in a [[time travel|time machine]] he made from a [[roll-top desk]]. Franklin wanted to know if the [[American Revolution]] was a success, but gets frustrated when Adams only comes back to tell him that [[Samuel Adams (beer)|Samuel Adams Beer]] is a success. The time machine also brings back a man named Jerry, played by [[Ike Barinholtz]], who is little help to Franklin.
*[[Robert Lee Hall]] has authored a number of mystery novels in which Franklin solves murder cases. The books interweave actual events and persons from Franklin's life into the stories.
*There is an episode of the [[The Office (US TV series)|US version of ''The Office'']] entitled ''[[Ben Franklin (The Office episode)|Ben Franklin]]'', in which an actor portraying Franklin is hired for an office party.
 
==See Youth center also==
*[[Contributions to liberal theory]]
*[[Liberalism]]
*[[List of places named for Benjamin Franklin]]
*[[Les Neuf Sœurs]]
*[[Social innovation]]
*[[Ben Franklin Effect]]
 
==References==
What is a ''Youth center''? I've heard about them, but I haven't found a formal definition yet. --[[User:Oskilian|Oskilian]]
===Biographies===
:don't know whether there is a "formal description" as such, but they tend to be clubs where teenagers can congregate to meet, often with recreational equipment like pool tables, etc, and often with things like counselling services available onsite. I'm amazed we don't have an article on the subject... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 09:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*[http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/franklin.htm#becker Carl Becker, "Franklin"]. Short scholarly biography written in 1931, with links to sources.
:The concept behind it is that teenagers will congregate there, in a safe environment, as opposed to, for example, the streets. - [[User:Akamad|Akamad]] 09:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*H. W. Brands. ''The First American: The Life and Times of Benjamin Franklin'' (2000) full-length biography
*Walter Isaacson. ''Benjamin Franklin: An American Life'' (2003). full-length biography.
*Mark Skousen . ''The Compleated Autobiography by Benjamin Franklin'' (2005) told in Franklins own words.
*Ralph L. Ketcham, ''Benjamin Franklin'' (1966), Short biography.
*Edmund S. Morgan. ''Benjamin Franklin'' (2003). Short introduction by leading scholar
*Carl Van Doren. ''Benjamin Franklin'' (1938; reprinted 1991). full-length biography.
*Gordon Wood, ''The Americanization of Benjamin Franklin'' (2005). Interpretive essay by leading scholar
 
===Scholarly studies===
== Canadian women ==
*Douglas Anderson. ''The Radical Enlightenments of Benjamin Franklin'' (1997). BF in terms of intellectual history
*Isaac Asimov. [http://www.asimovians.com/bookreviews.php?op=showcontent&id=64 ''The Kite That Won The Revolution''], a biography for children that focuses on Franklin's scientific and diplomatic contributions.
*M. H. Buxbaum., ed. ''Critical Essays on Benjamin Franklin'' (1987).
*[[I. Bernard Cohen]]. ''Benjamin Franklin's Science'' (1990). One of several books by Cohen on Franklin's science.
*Paul W. Conner. ''Poor Richard's Politicks'' (1965). Analyzes BF's ideas in terms of the Enlightenment
* Dray, Philip. ''Stealing God's Thunder: Benjamin Franklin's Lightning Rod and the Invention of America.'' Random House, 2005. 279 pp.
*[http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=ABP2287-0057-169 "Franklin as Printer and Publisher"] in ''The Century'' (April 1899) v. 57 pp. 803-18. By Paul Leicester Ford.
*[http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=ABP2287-0058-172 "Franklin as Scientist"] in ''The Century'' (Sept 1899) v.57 pp. 750-63. By Paul Leicester Ford.
*[http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=ABP2287-0058-201 "Franklin as Politician and Diplomatist"] in ''The Century'' (Oct 1899) v. 57 pp. 881-899. By Paul Leicester Ford.
* Gleason, Philip. "Trouble in the Colonial Melting Pot." ''Journal of American Ethnic History'' 2000 20(1): 3-17. ISSN 0278-5927 Fulltext online in Ingenta and Ebsco. Considers the political consequences of the remarks in a 1751 pamphlet by Franklin on demographic growth and its implications for the colonies. He called the Pennsylvania Germans "Palatine Boors" who could never acquire the "Complexion" of the English settlers and to "Blacks and Tawneys" as weakening the social structure of the colonies. Although Franklin apparently reconsidered shortly thereafter, and the phrases were omitted from all later printings of the pamphlet, his views may have played a role in his political defeat in 1764.
* Lawrence, D. H. ''Studies in Classic American Literature" (1923) scathing ridicule of Franklin's religious ideas by famous British author [http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/LAWRENCE/dhlch02.htm online version]
* Olson, Lester C. ''Benjamin Franklin's Vision of American Community: A Study in Rhetorical Iconology.'' U. of South Carolina Press, 2004. 323 pp.
*Skousen, W. Cleon. ''The Five Thousand Year Leap'' (1981). Brief summary on 28 ideas implemented into the U.S. Constitution by the American Founding Fathers.
*Schiff, Stacy. ''A Great Improvisation: Franklin, France, and the Birth of America'' (2005) (UK title ''Dr Franklin Goes to France'')
* Schiffer, Michael Brian. ''Draw the Lightning Down: Benjamin Franklin and Electrical Technology in the Age of Enlightenment.'' U. of California Press, 2003. 383 pp.
* Arjun Sethi ''The Morality of Values'' (2006). [http://citizentrack.blogspot.com/2007/04/what-were-benjamin-franklins-views-on.html Online Version]
*[http://www.bartleby.com/225/index.html#6 Stuart Sherman "Franklin" ] 1918 article on Franklin's writings.
* Michael Sletcher, 'Domesticity: The Human Side of Benjamin Franklin', ''Magazine of History'', XXI (2006).
* Waldstreicher, David. ''Runaway America: Benjamin Franklin, Slavery, and the American Revolution.'' Hill and Wang, 2004. 315 pp.
* Walters, Kerry S. ''Benjamin Franklin and His Gods.'' U. of Illinois Press, 1999. 213 pp. Takes position midway between D. H. Lawrence's brutal 1930 denunciation of Franklin's religion as nothing more than a bourgeois commercialism tricked out in shallow utilitarian moralisms and Owen Aldridge's sympathetic 1967 treatment of the dynamism and protean character of Franklin's "polytheistic" religion.
 
===Primary sources===
62% of canadian women have done what the rest haven't done--Ronny
* ''Silence Dogood, The Busy-Body, & Early Writings'' (J.A. Leo Lemay, ed.) ([[Library of America]], 1987 one-volume, 2005 two-volume) ISBN 978-1-93108222-8
[[User:64.152.195.34|64.152.195.34]] 06:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
* ''Autobiography, Poor Richard, & Later Writings'' (J.A. Leo Lemay, ed.) ([[Library of America]], 1987 one-volume, 2005 two-volume) ISBN 978-1-88301153-6
: I always suspected the world was divided into 2 kinds of people, and now I know for sure. Thanks. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 06:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*''Benjamin Franklin Reader'' edited by Walter Isaacson (2003)
::*Actually, the world is divided into ''three'' kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. --[[User:Halcatalyst|Halcatalyst]] 22:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
* Houston, Alan, ed. ''Franklin: The Autobiography and other Writings on Politics, Economics, and Virtue.'' Cambridge U. Press, 2004. 371 pp.
:::I thought it was: The world is divided into 10 kinds of the people: those who know binary and those who don't. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 22:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
* Ketcham, Ralph, ed. ''The Political Thought of Benjamin Franklin.'' (1965, reprinted 2003). 459 pp.
::::I'm quite sure it's two: those who go around dividing the world into 2 kinds of people, and those who don't. [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] 22:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.yale.edu/franklinpapers/index.html] Leonard Labaree, et al., eds., ''The Papers of Benjamin Franklin'', 37 vols. to date (1959-2006), definitive edition, through 1783. This massive collection of BF's writings, and letters to him, is available in large academic libraries. It is most useful for detailed research on specific topics. [http://franklinpapers.org/franklin/ The complete text of all the documents are online and searchable]; [http://www.yale.edu/franklinpapers/indexintro.html The ''Index'' is also online].
::Had a pedicure? Visited the United States? Had maple syrup on their pancakes? --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 08:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*"''[[The Way to Wealth]]''." Applewood Books; November 1986. ISBN 0-918222-88-5
:::38% have yet to do it. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 09:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*"''[[The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin]]''." Dover Pubns; [[June 7]], [[1996]]. ISBN 0-486-29073-5
::::Written potty non-questions to Wikipedia? [[User:Arpingstone|Adrian Pingstone]] 09:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*"''[[Poor Richard's Almanack]]''." Peter Pauper Press; November 1983. ISBN 0-88088-918-7
I feel this proves your either with us or your against us. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 09:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
* ''Poor Richard Improved'' by Benjamin Franklin (1751)
*"''[[Writings (Franklin)|Writings]]''." ISBN 0-940450-29-1
*"''[[On Marriage]]''."
*"''[[Satires and Bagatelles]]''."
*"''[[A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain]]''."
*"''[[Fart Proudly: Writings of Benjamin Franklin You Never Read in School]]''." Carl Japikse, Ed. Frog Ltd.; Reprint ed. May, 2003. ISBN 1-58394-079-0
*"''Heroes of America Benjamin Franklin"''
 
==Notes==
Of the 62%, a good 43% didn't know they were doing it, and 15% said that they didn't ''plan'' it in advance, so that leaves only 4% of 62% who really were committed to it. Also, of the 38%, 80% said that they approved of it and would do it if they ever collected enough coupons. 10% said that they wouldn't judge the 62% harshly and would join them in a bridge club, if asked. I think these are important facts to keep in mind. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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===Biographical and guides===
:I'm sure we've had this question before... <font style="color:#00BB55"><u><b>s</b>murray</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><u>inch</u></font>[[WP:EA|<font style="color:green">'''''e'''''</font>]]<font style="color:#00AA77"><u>ster</u></font><font style="color:#00AA77"><sup>([[User:Smurrayinchester|User]]), ([[User talk:Smurrayinchester|Talk]])</sup></font> 18:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.time.com/time/2003/franklin/bffranklin.html Special Report: Citizen Ben's Greatest Virtues] Time Magazine
::We did. It was a few months back but it's been here before. I don't think there was a serious answer that time either since it could be so many things and the questioner doesn't even narrow down a context to maybe help out with a google search. [[User:Dismas|Dismas]]|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/franklin/franklin.html Finding Franklin: A Resource Guide] Library of Congress
*[http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/franklin.htm Guide to Benjamin Franklin] By a history professor at the University of Illinois.
*[http://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/ Benjamin Franklin: An extraordinary life] PBS
*[http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ar/14308.htm Benjamin Franklin: First American Diplomat] US State Department
*[http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/ The Electric Benjamin Franklin] ushistory.org
*[http://www.litencyc.com/php/speople.php?rec=true&UID=4994 Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)] The Literary Encyclopedia (subscription required to read full text).
*{{MacTutor Biography|id=Franklin_Benjamin}}
*[http://ben.clusty.com/ Ben Franklin: Resources on the web] clusty.com
*[http://www.english.udel.edu/lemay/franklin/ Benjamin Franklin: A Documentary History] by J. A. Leo Lemay
*[http://www.colonialhall.com/franklin/franklin.php Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790] Text of biography by Rev. Charles A. Goodrich, 1856
*[http://www.forbesbookclub.com/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=IYYPP Benjamin Franklin: America's Gift to the World ]book of the teachings of Ben Franklin
*[http://www.gigmasters.com/armonica/benfranklin.html Benjamin Franklin: The Musician and Inventor] Cecilia Brauer
 
===Online writings by Benjamin Franklin===
:::Not only here. It has been asked on many reference sites on the Internet. It apparently was a quiz show question a while back and now people keep asking it over and over. The closest answers I've seen on any site (ones that had references to new articles) were: 62% of women were found attractive by men and 62% of young women put money in savings. Neither were accepted as the correct answer because they didn't fit the "62% of women have done" criteria. --[[User:Kainaw|Kainaw]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Kainaw|(talk)]]</sup></small> 23:19, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
* [http://franklinpapers.org/franklin/ Yale editon of complete works]
*{{gutenberg author| id=Benjamin+Franklin | name=Benjamin Franklin}}
*[http://literalsystems.org/abooks/index.php/Audio-Book/DialogueBetweenFranklinAndTheGout "Dialogue Between Franklin and the Gout"] Creative Commons audio recording.
*[http://www.aip.org/history/gap/Franklin/Franklin.html Letter IV: Farther Experiments] [http://www.aip.org/history/gap/PDF/franklin_letterIV.pdf pdf] and [http://www.aip.org/history/gap/Franklin/Franklin.html Letter XI: Observations in electricty] [http://www.aip.org/history/gap/PDF/franklin_letterXI.pdf pdf]
*[http://www.tufts.edu/as/wright_center/fellows/bob_morse_04/ A Comprehensive Collection of Franklin’s Electrical Works: The Electrical Writings of Benjamin Franklin] Collected by Robert A. Morse (2004)
*[http://www.ftrain.com/franklin_improving_self.html Franklin's 13 Virtues] Extract of Franklin's autobiography, compiled by Paul Ford.
*[http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/libraryscience/25/ The Constitutions of the Free-Masons (1734). An Online Electronic Edition.] <nowiki>[</nowiki>pdf only<nowiki>]</nowiki> Edited and published by Franklin.
*[http://www.poorrichardsalmanac.info/ Poor Richard's Almanac'] Compilations/extracts by poorrichardsalmanac.info
*[http://sln.fi.edu/franklin/family/lastwill.html Franklin's Last Will & Testament] Transcription.
*[http://www.historycarper.com/resources/twobf2/articles.htm Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion]
 
====The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin====
Consulted a physician regarding migranes. [http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=31126] -[[User:LambaJan|LambaJan]] 21:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/autobiography/index.htm The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin] [http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/autobiography/singlehtml.htm Single page version]. ushistory.org
*[http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/148 The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin] Project Gutenberg
 
===Franklin in the arts===
== Biography of the late Rabbi Dr. Kopul Rosen ==
*[http://www.benfranklin300.com/ Benjamin Franklin 300 (1706 - 2006)] Official web site of the Benjamin Franklin Tercentenary.
*[http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/thumbnail15.html Portrait of Benjamin Franklin (PD)] ([http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/fi/0000000f.htm large version]) From Dr. William J. Ball
*[http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/mole/b/bradford.htm The American Philosophical Society: Bradford Collection] Collection of Franklin's correspondence with Polly Stevenson Hewson.
*[http://www.benjaminfranklinhouse.org The Benjamin Franklin House] Franklin's only surviving residence.
*[http://www.planetware.com/boston/ben-franklin-birthplace-us-ma-ben.htm Ben Franklin Birthplace] A historic site, link provides ___location and map.
*[http://www.benfranklin2006.org Friends of Franklin] Membership society.
 
===Franklin and medicine===
Has anyone written a biography of the late Rabbi Dr. Kopul Rosen, who was Principal of Carmel College, Wallingford Oxfordshire in England? With thanks
*[http://www.abc.net.au/rn/ockhamsrazor/stories/2006/1814928.htm Franklin's impact on medicine] - talk by medical historian, Dr [[Jim Leavesley]] celebrating the 300th anniversary of Franklin's birth on ''Okham's Razor'' ABC [[Radio National]] - December 2006
 
===IMDB===
:A google search for "Kopul Rosen" turned up a book entitled [http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0950137200/203-4310029-9445530 Memories of Kopul Rosen], ISBN 0950137200. If you click on the ISBN link it will take you to a book source metasearch page. The [http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Kopul+Rosen Google search] I did turned up lots of other interesting links which you may wish to peruse. --[[User:Robert Merkel|Robert Merkel]] 11:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*{{imdb title|id=0956098|title=Animated Hero Classics: Benjamin Franklin (1993)}}
 
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How about turning them into an article? Start with this: [[Kopul Rosen]] [[User:Alteripse|alteripse]] 12:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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:You guys did the research, not I, but are we comfortable that the person will pass the notability bar and be worthy of a biography? I.e. has the figure had an effect upon the world in some context other than merely one doing his job? I only say this because I hate to see new users write an article, get on AfD, and then get frustrated or turn bad, and, if this biography doesn't establish his wider importance, that may happen. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 14:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 
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Why did britain and france go to war against germany over poland?
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:You should check out our article family on [[World War II]], specifically sections relating to the origins of the war. As an immediate answer, though, [[Britain]] and [[France]] had signed a mutual-defense pact with [[Poland]] in hopes of deterring [[Hitler]]'s desire to annex the [[Polish Corridor]]. The subsequent declaration itself, while upholding the terms of the pact, was also probably intended as further deterrent in hopes of forcing Hitler to back down; certainly neither nation was interested in immediately and aggressively prosecuting the war effort (see [[Phony War]]). &mdash; [[User:Lomn|Lomn]] <small>[[User Talk:Lomn|Talk]]</small> 21:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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The [[Joe-Max Moore]] says he is third in US history in goals scored. An email to the Help Desk mailing list, alleging to be from Joe-Max Moore, claims that he is second in US history. Can somebody verify this and correct as appropriate? [[User:Zoe]]|[[User talk:Zoe|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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