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*[[Modern architecture]] is a well-developed article, which defines PWA Moderne, but not Moderne? Is Moderne in practice a shortcut for PWA Moderne? But what about buildings not associated with the PWA or other New Deal public works programs. The post offices. The movie theatres. --[[User:doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">do</span>]][[User talk:Doncram|<span style="color:green;">ncr</span>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<span style="color:maroon;">am</span>]] 21:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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== Etymology & pronunciation? ==

From French (mute final e), or maybe German (audible final e)?

This might also help with sharpening the definition, which isn't quite there yet. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 21:22, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

== Bauhaus probably here by mistake ==

:;"The Bauhaus movement

:"The [[Bauhaus]] movement, along with architects like [[Walter Gropius]] and [[Mies van der Rohe]], kickstarted Modernist architecture in [[Weimar republic |Germany]] during the 1920s. After the [[Nazis]] shut down the Bauhaus in 1933, these architects brought their innovative style to the United States, where it became hugely popular and influential."

What makes Bauhaus be part of MODERNE, as opposed to being just another style among the many [[Modern architecture |Modern]] (w/o a final -e) architectural styles?

The vague definition offered for the topic at hand (and the confusing name), '''Moderne architecture''' (Moderne ''with'' a final -e), strikes again.

Also '''unsourced'''. Removed. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 21:49, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

== Confusing ==

As-is, this article is extremely confusing. To the best of my knowledge, there are multiple synonyms for Art Deco and its phases, with the use and meaning of these alternative names varied by country and particular architecture scholar. See, for example, Michael Windower[https://www.google.com/books/edition/Art_Deco/1kggEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PT88] quoting [[Adrian Tinniswood]]: the names for Art Deco were apparently:

:# in the UK:

:#* [[modernistic (style)]]

:#* [[Jazz Modern]][e]

:# in Australia:

:#* [[modern ship style]]

:#* [[streamlinist]]

:# in the US:

:#* [[Zigzag Modern]][e]

:#* [[skyscraper style]]

:#* [[Streamline Modern]]

:#* [[liner style]]

:# in France:

:#* [[style moderne]]

:#* [[universalisme]]

:IMHO, we should (1) in every article from this list explicitly acknowledge that Art Deco architecture style classification varies by source and (2) identify the countries and experts that using this particular classification. [[User:Викидим|Викидим]] ([[User talk:Викидим|talk]]) 00:15, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:Hi, and thanks. Please go ahead!

:I didn't notice your comment until now, and I hope I've addressed some of the problems in the last few hours. At least it's a start. I really must stop now, sorry. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 03:27, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

::Another point: what the style was called by contemporaries is probably little more than a curiosity on Wiki, which is mainly a general-interest resource; what the mainstream terminology is ''now'' is, I guess, the most relevant. Anyhow, we cannot have articles w/o clear definitions of the topic at hand, and here things are still far from well. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 10:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I totally agree with you: there is no need to have articles for obscure terms of the past (Mike Hope puts the number of related terms into dozens, see [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Art_Deco_Architecture/a3maDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA1909]), an no good sources to describe them anyhow. However, redirects for all these terms (most likely, to [[Art Deco]]) might be very useful. The regional varieties quite likely can be adequately covered in sources and thus might end up as articles, similarly to [[Pisan Romanesque]] of the [[Romanesque style]]. [[User:Викидим|Викидим]] ([[User talk:Викидим|talk]]) 19:48, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

== Not Moderne ==

[[File:"1430 Ocean Drive - Miami Beach, Florida" (10943962224).jpg|thumb|1430 Ocean Drive, Miami Beach, Florida, on a {{circa|1940}} postcard]]

The ziggurat facade, with its vertical orientation, looks more Art Deco than Moderne to me. No rounded corners either. I looked it up and others (see [https://www.flickr.com/photos/miamiboy/51213500001 here]) also have it under Art Deco with of International Style influence, while its architect, [[L. Murray Dixon]], is known for his Art Deco work.

Unless someone can convince me of the opposite, it's out. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 10:28, 18 April 2025 (UTC)