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:Seems like people are taking it personal, as if they [[WP:OWN|own the article or something]]? I can find many problems with the first episode you listed above. There are links to how to write a good article on an episode (if it can be done at all, as not every episode can accomplish that), and there are other places which any good WikiProject should link to: [[WP:WAF]] and [[Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)]] for example. There there is the [[WP:EPISODE]]. Plus there are are about half a dozen featured episode articles, and I don't know how many GA Season 8 Simpsons articles (however many in that season, as everyone is at least GA). The tag provides a link and explains what is going on. Wikipedia is not TV.com, and episodes do not inherit notability from their parents. Like everything else, you have to establish notability, the prime example would be professionals writing about the episodes (i.e. Reception section). If an article doesn't have that section then it doesn't meet the criteria. That doesn't mean it cannot, it just means it currently does not. Also, let me correct that the guideline is not proposed, it is sure enough a guideline. The only proposal we have is for the review process of each episode. The guideline has merely been expanded to give examples and clarified on several points that were a little vague in their definitions. There is also a tag for the parent articles to alert them to what is going on, and it should be used when tagging episode articles. This way it alerts the larger community to the problem. [[User:Bignole|<small>'''<span style="background:Maroon;color:Gold"> &nbsp;BIGNOLE&nbsp;</span>'''</small>]] [[User talk:Bignole|<small>(Contact me)</small>]] 19:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::I have seen many crap articles saved at AFD on the basis that they could improve. I can't help thinking that time would be much better spent improving the articles and adding real world context than arbitrarily adding these tags to billions of articles (which can easily be removed, by the way). [[User:The JPS|<fontspan colorstyle="Purplecolor:purple;">The <b>JP</b>S</fontspan>]]^{[[User talk:The JPS|'''<fontsup colorstyle="Purplecolor:purple;"><b>talk</b> to me</fontsup>''']]} 22:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::The existence of crap shouldn't mean that we keep more crap. The point of the tags is to get people to search for the information. It's not like we can just go "Oh, Google, yep, there are the sources!" People need to find them first. If the tags are removed, they'll be readded like any other relevant cleanup tag. [[User:TTN|TTN]] 22:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Yup, I agree that we shouldn't keep crap. I guess editors need to remember that the articles are not being deleted: they will still be accessible through the history. I'd be more comfortable if I saw evidence that certain people were helping to improve these articles rather than simplistically going through them like a bulldozer. Surely that is a more fitting task for the human brain. If tags are readded, then they can be removed again, so long as 3RR is not broken. This is a guideline, not policy. [[User:The JPS|<fontspan colorstyle="Purplecolor:purple;">The <b>JP</b>S</fontspan>]]^{[[User talk:The JPS|'''<fontsup colorstyle="Purplecolor:purple;"><b>talk</b> to me</fontsup>''']]} 22:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::Once these go up for "review", we will help sort out any possible sources people have come up with. At this point, no work has actually been done, so there isn't much to help with, and if we could just go find sources, they wouldn't be tagged in the first place. "It's just a guideline" is a very bad excuse to ignore it. I would expect an admin to know that. Even then, a cleanup tag is a cleanup tag. You can't just remove them because you disagree with them. [[User:TTN|TTN]] 22:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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:It should be [[I Do (Lost)]] and not [[I Do (Lost episode)]] per [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television)|naming conventions]]. –'''[[User:thedemonhog|<span style="color:#B22222">thedemonhog</span>]]''' <small>''[[User talk:thedemonhog|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/thedemonhog|<span style="color:green">edits</span>]]''</small> 04:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

::I would also spell out the series, to prevent any possible future conflicts as well, eg "[[Entropy (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)]]". --[[User:Masem|M<fontspan sizestyle="font-3size:x-small;">ASEM</fontspan>]] 05:08, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== Several new proposals for [[Template:Episode list]] and other notes ==

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HousewifeHater 20:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Housewifehader|Housewifehader]] ([[User talk:Housewifehader|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Housewifehader|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->HousewifeHater 20:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

:Using the network descriptions/recaps of episodes ''is'' a copyright violation. We expect editors to craft their own non-interpretative summaries from the primary work to use for episode lists and pages. --[[User:Masem|M<fontspan sizestyle="font-3size:x-small;">ASEM</fontspan>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

::I always try to avoid network/production company descriptions even when other people don't. When I was working on the [[List of That Girl episodes]] I left a lot of descriptions blank, while I believe others may have swiped them from IMDb and other sources. I don't think whole lists should be elimiated because of all these copyvios, though. ----[[User:DanTD|DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 02:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

:::It most certainly is a copyright violation. I haven't read through all the policies and guidelines recently, but I'm pretty sure this was explicitly stated at one point. [[User:Jay32183|Jay32183]] ([[User talk:Jay32183|talk]]) 23:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

:::In response to DanTD, definitely it is the case that if the episode descriptions seem pulled from an external site , they should be removed, but the whole list shouldn't be removed because of that. --[[User:Masem|M<fontspan sizestyle="font-3size:x-small;">ASEM</fontspan>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:11, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

::::I'm glad you agree that the whole list shouldn't be removed. It seems most of the copyvios were made by [[User:Hardy1956]]. The main issue now is how we're going to do a total rewrite. ----[[User:DanTD|DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 01:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Should redirects for the title of every episode of a series by created and placed in the category for those shows' episodes? For example, that was done for ''[[New Girl]]'' with articles for only a couple episodes but a redirect for all the others, as seen in [[:Category:New Girl episodes]]. Even for shows that have redirects for some episodes, I usually see them placed in a "Foo episodes redirects to lists" category rather than "Foo episodes" category directly. Thanks. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span>^{[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]} 23:25, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

== [[Talk:List_of_American_Dad!_episodes#List_of_American_Dad!_episodes%23Unscheduled_episodes]] ==

Hi

I did a bit of work on redefining the refs since the search-engine has been changed.

Does anyone have the time to fix the rest of the refs in that list?

I tried to think of an easy way to "replace" or similar, but need to get on with other stuff today ... [[User:Chaosdruid|Chaosdruid]] ([[User talk:Chaosdruid|talk]]) 12:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

== Should television episode article titles default to official names over the common name? ==

[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]] [[WT:TV#RfC: Should episode article titles default to the broadcaster's official title?]] <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 01:53, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

==[[:Category:Television episodes in multiple parts]] has been nominated for deletion==

<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Category:Television episodes in multiple parts]]''', which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion, along with 2 of its sub-categories.<br />.A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the [[Wikipedia:Categorization|categorization]] guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 August 18#Category:Television episodes in multiple parts|the category's entry]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 18:30, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

== Job Switching (I Love Lucy) ==

This page uses the episode "Job Switching" from [[I Love Lucy]] as an example of a top-importance episode, but it's a red link. I can't find the page [[Job Switching]] on the wiki, nor in AFD. Does this page need to be (re?)created, or should a different episode take it's place as an example? [[User:The Only Zac|The Only Zac]] ([[User talk:The Only Zac|talk]]) 17:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

== Where do I ask: Why isn't there a list of [[60_Minutes|60 Minutes]]==

Is this the right place to ask: "Why isn't there a [[:Category:List-Class_television_articles|list of]] [[60_Minutes|60 Minutes]] episodes?

--[[User:CmdrDan|CmdrDan]] ([[User talk:CmdrDan|talk]]) 23:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

== Categorizing redirects of episodes ==

Does anyone have any thoughts about the categorization of episode redirects in both a "Foo episodes" category and its "Foo episode redirects to lists" category? [[:Category:Scrubs (TV series) episodes]] (subcategorized by season even) and [[:Category:New Girl episodes]] seem to do that and I don't see many others that do. I figure a lot of this is just from the time 15 or so years ago when editors were trying to make articles for every episode of shows back then, and now they're all redirects. Thanks. <span style="color:blue">Star</span><span style="color:orange">cheers</span><span style="color:green">peaks</span><span style="color:red">news</span>lost<span style="color:blue">wars</span>^{[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]} 23:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

== Create Category "Television episodes directed by Adam Bernstein". ==

Adam Bernstein has directed several tv episodes. And he directed about 22 tv episodes that have their own wikipedia pages. Such as several episodes of Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, 30 Rock, Scrubs, etc. If a category like "Television episodes directed by David Chase" (which only has 2 entries) can exist, why not one for Adam Bernstein?

Heres The List:

1. Scrubs: My First Day (2001)

2. Scrubs: My Life In Four Cameras (2005)

3. 30 Rock: Pilot (2006)

4. 30 Rock: The Aftermath (2006)

5. 30 Rock: Blind Date (2006)

6. 30 Rock: Tracy Does Conan (2006)

7. 30 Rock: The C Word (2007)

8. Breaking Bad: Cat’s In The Bag… (2008)

9. Breaking Bad: …And The Bag’s In The River (2008)

10. Breaking Bad: Mandala (2009)

11. Breaking Bad: ABQ (2009)

12. Breaking Bad: Caballo sin Nombre (2010)

13. Breaking Bad: Half Measures (2010)

14. Breaking Bad: Box Cutter (2011)

15. Breaking Bad: Hazard Pay (2012)

16. Smash: Understudy (2012)

17. Fargo: The Crocodile's Dilemma (2014)

18. Fargo: The Rooster Prince (2014)

19. Better Call Saul: Five-O (2015)

20. Better Call Saul: Gloves Off (2016)

21. Better Call Saul: Slip (2017)

22. Better Call Saul: Winner (2018) [[User:MrCboY1997|MrCboY1997]] ([[User talk:MrCboY1997|talk]]) 23:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

== Proposal regarding season article naming ==

[[File:Information icon4 orange.svg|50px|left|link=]] There is a proposal to change the naming conventions of TV season articles from the current practice of <code>'''''XXX'' (season 1)'''</code> to <code>'''''XXX'', season 1'''</code> or <code>'''''XXX'' season 1'''</code>. As such a change would affect a substantial number of articles, you are invited to participate in the discussion at '''{{slink|Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)|Move TV seasons from parenthetical disambiguation to comma disambiguation}}'''. Thank you. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 04:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

:Update: Please see '''{{slink|Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)|Follow-up RfC on TV season article titles}}'''. Thanks. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 23:18, 28 December 2023 (UTC)