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{{re|BeenAroundAWhile}} Re [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Introduction_to_tables_with_Wiki_Markup/1&diff=prev&oldid=1039789651&diffmode=source this edit], the toolbar image ([[:File:WikiEditor-advanced menu-en.png]]) is appearing fine for me; could you take a second look? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 19:32, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

== Table help box ==

@[[User:Timeshifter|Timeshifter]], I'm not really sold on having the table help box appear here — the intro tutorials are designed to be rather self-contained to simplify them, which means not having a ton of links to other outside pages that'd likely just confuse newcomers. The way this was set up before, the tutorial told you everything you needed to know for most table applications, and if you're a newcomer who really wants to do something fancy, you can follow the see also links at the end. Adding the box introduces a lot more places to read a lot more prominently, which could overwhelm or lead to banner blindness.

I'd suggest at most including this at the bottom. We also need to ensure that it doesn't show up multiple times for the /all page. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span>]]</span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 21:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

:{{re|Sdkb}} I fixed the problem on [[Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/All]]. I used this on the pages being transcluded into it:

:<nowiki><noinclude>{{Table help}}</noinclude></nowiki>

:{{t|table help}} only shows up once now on the "All" page.

:I am not sure if you saw the latest version:

{{table help}}

:The intro pages are at the beginning, and are numbered. So people who are new at tables see a path. They will soon want more info though, and be quickly frustrated if they don't see a path for other info too.

:Also, the search form works much better than before. New table editors will appreciate that. It makes it far easier to find what one is looking for. --[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 21:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

::I view tables in wikitext as enough of a lost cause anyways I won't fight it. But I'd object to similar boxes being added for other parts of the tutorial. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF;text-decoration:inherit;font:1em Lucida Sans">Sdkb</span>]]</span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 21:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

:::{{re|Sdkb}} I think we should ask others if they prefer the table help box at the top or bottom. Discussions elsewhere about the box have shown that people appreciate having it at the top of all the table help pages. Maybe an exception should be made for the intro pages for wikitext table editing. I personally don't think so. But let's ask around. --[[User:Timeshifter|'''Timeshifter''']] ([[User talk:Timeshifter|talk]]) 22:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)