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englishname = Sagaing Division|

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burmesename = စစ္‌ကုိင္‌း‌တုိင္‌း|

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capital = [[Sagaing]]|

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region = Central Northwestern|

area = 93 527|

population = 5 300 000 ([[1996]])|

locatormapfile = [[image:MyanmarSagaing.png]] |

ethnic = [[Bamar]], [[Shan]], [[Naga]], [[Chin]]|

religious = [[Buddhism]], [[Christianity]], [[animism]]|

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'''Sagaing Division''' is a [[administrative divisions of Myanmar|division]] of [[Myanmar]], located in the north-western part of the country between latitude 21° 30' north and longitude 94° 97' east. It is bordered by [[India]]’s [[Nagaland]] and [[Manipur]] States to the north, [[Kachin]] State, [[Shan]] State, and [[Mandalay]] Division to the east, Mandalay Division and [[Magway]] Division to the south, and Chin State and India to the west. The division has an area of 93,527 sq.km, and population(1996) of over 5,300,000. The capital is [[Sagaing]].

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Sagaing Division consists of 198 wards and villages, 38 townships and eight districts; Sagaing, Shwebo, Monywa, Katha, Kale, Tamu, Mawlaik and Hkamti. The major cities are [[Sagaing]], [[Mingun]], [[Monywa]], [[Shwebo]] and [[Mogok]].

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==GA Demographics Nomination==

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===Suggestions===

[[Bamar]] are the majority [[ethnic group]] in the dry regions and along Mandalay-[[Myitkyina]] Railroad. [[Shan]] live in upper [[Chindwin River]] valley. A sizeable minority of [[Naga]] reside in the north of north-west mountain ranges and [[Chin]] in the south. Smaller ethnic groups native to the Division include the [[Kadu]] and [[Ganang]], who live in the upper Mu River valley and Meza River Valley.

The complaints I am voicing here are pretty much the same as in the last two articles (Su Song and Zhang Heng), with an addtional issue with images.

== Economy ==

*You need to indicate the name of the volumes in addition to the number for the Needham references.

*You should add at least two more images if possible.

There are several problems with the prose in a few sections.

*Unlike the other two, this article only has a lot of parantheses in the quotations. Nevertheless, I still think many of these should be removed. I don't think that their removal will affact the integrity of the quotations.

*You are mixing Wade-Giles and Pinyin romanization. The majority of the article is in Pinyin, but you must convert the Wade-Giles into Pinyin before the article is passed. If you need assistance in this regard please let me know, as I can help convert the stuff.

*I also feel that this article is too dependant on large block quotes. I think that the quotes should either be shortened so that they do not comprise the vast majority of The Scientific Writing and Theory sections and Philosophy section, or that these sections could be expanded to reduce their dependance on the quotations. Having the large quotes in the writing section, is in my opinion not an issue, that the topic addresses the writing itself.[[User:Zeus1234|Zeus1234]] 04:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::Ok, I have indicated the names of the Needham volumes, added two more images, fixed many of the parentheses, and along with getting rid of some of the block quotes, provided more extensive prose to explain the ones I decided to keep. I also got rid of any random Wade-giles spelling, although the ones I have decided to keep are from direct quotations of Needham's books, and should not be reworded for sake of faithfulness to the actual quotations.[[User:PericlesofAthens|PericlesofAthens]] 03:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

:::The improvements are good. The article now meritcs GA status. Congratulations![[User:Zeus1234|Zeus1234]] 05:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

==Failed FAC==

Agriculture is the chief occupation. The leading crop is [[rice]], which occupies most of the arable ground. Other crops include [[wheat]], [[sesame]], [[peanut]], [[pulses]], [[cotton]], and [[tobacco]]. Sagaing is Myanmar’s leading producer of wheat, contribution more than 80% of the country's total production. Forestry is important in the wetter upper regions along the [[Chindwin River]], with [[teak]] and other hardwoods extracted. As in other parts of the country, [[reforestation]] is not effective enough to maintain [[sustainable forestry]]. Important minerals include [[gold]], [[coal]], [[salt]] and small amounts of [[petroleum]]. Industry includes textiles, [[copper]] refining, gold smelting, and a [[diesel engine]] plant. The Division has many rice mills, [[edible oil]] mills, saw mills, cotton mills, and mechanized weaving factories. Local industry includes earthen pots, silverware, bronze-wares, iron-wares and [[lacquer]]-ware.

Ok, this is a great article, but the reason it has failed to be promoted for FA status is because one had problem with quotes of Shen's writing being in the article (saying that it added nothing to the article). I completely disagree. However, it just dawned on me, this entire time I could have easily placed all of the quotes in the [[Dream Pool Essays]] article that I created. That would have been a reasonable compromise. I will do that now.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|PericlesofAthens]] 23:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== History ==

:It's really stupid that one person can entirely derail a nomination. I personally think that while some of the quotes could be moved over, some of them should stay in the article. [[User:Zeus1234|Zeus1234]] 00:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sagaing was the capital of an independent [[Shan]] kingdom in 1315, after the fall of [[Bagan]] had created a power vacuum in central Burma. In 1364, the founder’s grandson moved the capital to nearby [[Ava]].

::I think a good compromise would be to pare them down a lot, and keep them directly relevant to the subject at hand. (Where's the failed FAC tag? It provides a handy link to the nomination..) --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] ^{[[User talk:Fang Aili|<font color="green">talk</font>]]} 03:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

==External links==

:::Regardless, all of the quotes have been moved into the [[Dream Pool Essays]] article, and any valuable information from the quotes have been converted into prose explanations.--[[User:PericlesofAthens|PericlesofAthens]] 04:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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