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==Vocoder andVocaloid2 voder==

A - the Vocoder was never known as the 'voder' - that was a different device, developed by a lot of the same people, that was one of the first speech synthesizers. And a lot of recent recordings that sound very like a vocoder has been used are in fact using pitch correction software with the parameters adjusted to over emphasise the effect (like Cher's Believe)

Does the Japanese Vocaloid software series count as a Vocoder? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.161.122.193|67.161.122.193]] ([[User talk:67.161.122.193#top|talk]]) 23:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)</small>

I suggest there be more examples of vocoding listed in this article. The examples should be more recent. Cher, Daft Punk, and Air have all used vocoders in the past 10 years. Air uses them every chance they get. Maybe add a small section with a list? [[User:MichaelD|MichaelD]] 23:22, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

:This has been unanswered for a long time, but the answer is no. [[Vocaloid]] uses digital samples of the human voice which are glued together to form words. This isn't how a vocoder works.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]}''''' 13:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

I removed this, as I already covered formants as frequency peaks and dips from resonance:

== sparky's magic piano ==

:Of course, the actual qualities of speech cannot be reproduced this easily. In addition to a single fundamental frequency, the vocal system adds in a number of resonant frequencies that add character and quality to the voice, known as the [[formant]]. Without capturing these additional qualities, the vocoder will never sound "real".

no mention of this recording from 1947, a novelty use of the vocoder effect decades before the other cited examples.

- [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] 17:46, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

not even a "see also:"

why not?

[[User:Duncanrmi|duncanrmi]] ([[User talk:Duncanrmi|talk]]) 06:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

== Talking Guitar? ==

:Because it isn't a vocoder. Sparky's Magic Piano uses a Sonovox, which is a version of a [[talk box]].--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]}''''' 06:52, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

I think some more research should be done re "Talking Guitar" or "Talk Box" of Johnny Guitar Watson & Peter Frampton. I used to own an electric guitar accessory which comprised a miniature amplifier and speaker combo, with a plastic tube which physically relayed the guitar sound from the mini-speaker into the guitarist's mouth. This was not a vocoder.

== Isao Tomita used a vocoder?? ==

design 15/09/05

I don't hear it but maybe I'm mistaken, I think he is emulating the sound of singers manipulating the synth. [[User:Mirad1000|Mirad1000]] ([[User talk:Mirad1000|talk]]) 18:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you. The old talk-box (I'm personally thinking of Joe Walsh) was NOT a vocoder, because it doesn't process your voice electronically. Instead it works mechanically, as the motion of your mouth changes the sound coming out of a speaker. See [[Talk box]].

:Some tracks by Tomita, such as "Golliwog's Cakewalk" on ''[[Snowflakes Are Dancing]]'' use a singing voice effect on a Moog synthesizer. He uses a [[Korg VC-10]] vocoder on later albums such as ''The Bermuda Triangle'' in 1978 [https://imgur.com/a/qJWzDht] which is the year that the VC-10 was released. He can also be seen demonstrating a vocoder [https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2010/02/04/tomita-demonstrates-the-moog-synthesizer-vocoder/ here].--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]}''''' 20:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

However, it IS possible to ELECTRONICALLY modulate a guitar carrier wave with a voice. I just don't know anyone who's done it in music.

==''In the First Circle''==

24.213.90.666 29/09/05

Should this article reference Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's classic novel "In the First Circle", which substantially revolves around an attempt to construct a vocoder? [[Special:Contributions/47.203.66.188|47.203.66.188]] ([[User talk:47.203.66.188|talk]]) 02:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Someone put Bon Jovi's "Livin' on a Prayer" in there -- same deal, talk box not vocoder. I removed it. [[User:Kindall|Jerry Kindall]]

:No. --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski|talk]]) 23:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

::It's too tangential and ''[[In the First Circle]]'' doesn't mention this.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]}''''' 07:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

== 2000s: Kraftwerk? ==

I'm sorry, but for "Tour De France Soundtracks", I can't see why it should be given as an example use of a vocoder by Kraftwerk. "Vitamin" has a little bit of something backing Florian's voice that might be a vocoderish backing effect, but I was under the assumption that the majority of vocals on the rest of this CD come from computer voice simulators, and not vocoders.

== Hat rack==

There's tons more stuff that you could put in the 2000s list, instead of Kraftwerk.

This article should not turn into " list of times musicians used a vocoder-sounding effect incidentally in their recordings or performances". It would be like listing every time someone used a cowbell. No encyclopediac value. And most of these I bet arent' even real "vocoder" dedicated instruments, but instead are just some DSP code plugged into a digital recording session. --[[User:Wtshymanski|Wtshymanski]] ([[User talk:Wtshymanski|talk]]) 19:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

== RE: the John Larry Kelly section ==

surely that was a classic example of speech synthesis, which could be considered related - but is essentially different. A vocoder requires a person talking as a modulator, a carrier wave (oscillator, synth or sample sound) and the vocoder then produces an output based on the modulated carrier.

The 'daisy daisy' example is of formant speech synthesis, segment recombining. That process uses stored data about phonemes being pulled from memory and used with a generator in an order to give recognisable speech.

I'm not sure how wide you want a definition of vocoding to spread?

== Vocaloid2 ==

Does the Japanese Vocaloid software series count as a Vocoder?

:This has been unanswered for a long time, but the answer is no. [[Vocaloid]] uses digital samples of the human voice which are glued together to form words. This isn't how a vocoder works.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]}''''' 13:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

== sparky's magic piano ==

no mention of this recording from 1947, a novelty use of the vocoder effect decades before the other cited examples.

not even a "see also:"

why not?

[[User:Duncanrmi|duncanrmi]] ([[User talk:Duncanrmi|talk]]) 06:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)