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Should its name be Dniepropetrovsk?

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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 January 2025 ==

Redirect from [[Dnepropetrovsk]] is buggy. Also, what is the relation between Dnepropetrovsk and [[Kudak]] (mentioned in article about [[Stanislaw Koniecpolski]]? Is this an older name, or was Kudak just nearby? --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] [[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]] 13:25, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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::I'd say just nearby. I guess Kodak (as far as I'm accustomed to name) was destroyed before the foundation of existing city.[[User:AlexPU|AlexPU]]

Under the sub-heading "[[Dnipro#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine|2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine]]" in the "History" section, the see-also article name is outdated. (It is now year 2025 in Ukraine). Please change it from "2022-2023 Dnipro missile strikes" to "[[Dnipro strikes (2022–present)]]", the current name of the linked article. Thanks. [[User:Redbeansoup|Redbeansoup]] ([[User talk:Redbeansoup|talk]]) 03:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:LizardJr8|LizardJr8]] ([[User talk:LizardJr8|talk]]) 03:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

== Former Name ==

==How the city name is spelled in English==

I checked LexusNexus database on how the city name is spelled in major English media. The search for the last two years usage in major papers gives the following results:

*''Dnepropetrovsk'' - used 66 times.

*''Dnipropetrovs'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>'''k'' - used only once.

*''Dnipropetrovsk'' - used '''243''' times. Also used by Britannica.

Please change

Therefore, I moving the article from ''Dnipropetrovs'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>'''k'' to ''Dnipropetrovsk''.

[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 00:14, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

'''Dnipro'''[a] is Ukraine's fourth-largest city

: Please note that none of the spellings you mention are ''English names''; they are different ''transliterations'' of the Russian and Ukrainian names of the city. ''Dnipropetrovs'k'' satisfies the suggested convention in [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)]], which says ''If there is no commonly-used English name, use an accepted transliteration of the name in the original language.''

To

: We've been using the full formal [[Romanization of Ukrainian |National transliteration]] for geographic names in Ukraine, in article titles, and often in the text of articles (many articles on Russian Empire and Soviet-era topics use Russian names, and a notable exception is Kiev/Kyiv). It makes good sense to use a consistent transliteration scheme, and not the most popular transliteration scheme for each individual name. I think this is also consistent with most current atlases, Mapquest, MSN Maps, and Terraserver, and also with the observation at [[Wikipedia:Naming#Ukrainian_names]].

'''Dnipro'''[a], formerly '''Dnipropetrovsk''' is Ukraine's fourth-largest city

: Lately I've been considering suggesting changing this to use the official ''simplified'' National form (see [[Romanization_of_Ukrainian#fn |footnotes of the Romanization table]]), and retaining the formal transliteration next to an article's Cyrillic (Just the way this article looks, at the moment). But this should probably find consensus on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Subdivisions of Ukraine]], before starting to move individual articles. ''&mdash;[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-03-29&nbsp;01:00&nbsp;Z</small>''

Or

::Sorry, I did not know about the Subdivision of Ukraine Project. I will post proposed changed there for discussion in the future. As for this article, I appreciate if you don't move it back for now. Lets discuss this of course, but it seems that 246 mentions in major papers shows that there is a ''"commonly used English name"''. I specifically checked "major papers only" in my LexusNexus search because, unlike multitude of internet news sites, major papers do have the style policy and are staffed with editors who check for style consistency. Of course, this is a matter of debate whether accepted English usage is the same thing as "English name" and whether 246 mentions in two years in about 50 major papers establishes the English usage.

'''Dnipro'''[a], formerly '''Dnipropetrovsk''' and '''Yekaterinoslav''' is Ukraine's fourth-largest city

::BTW, if we use similar criteria, the second largest city in UA should be called ''"Kharkiv"'' in WP, rather than Khar'kov, Kharkov, Harkov, etc. I just noticed that you did this change and I agree with it. Perhaps, when referred to in connection with many historical events, the WP usage should be "''<nowiki>[[Kharkiv|Kharkov]]</nowiki> (currently Kharkiv)''". However, the current English usage favors ''Kharkiv'' over ''Kharkov'' with a similar margin as ''Dnipropetrovsk'' over ''Dnepropetrovsk''.

There are still a ton of links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yekaterinoslav. I think the connection between these names should therefore be in the first paragraph.

::Lets wait until other editors voice their opinions and decide on what this title should be. Of course, if someone feels too strong about this and can't wait, s/he can move the article back anytime. I will not do anything further with the title until we conclude this discussion. In the meantime, I will try to fill the section stubs in the city history with useful information and hope other editors will help. Cheers, [[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 01:26, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Yes: There were other names since the city became important ~1800. Especially '''Yekaterinoslav''' but people who are reading sources from that time do not come here and stop reading after the first paragraph to get a brief overlook. Also sources from 1800 usually do not link to Wikipedia. --[[User:Fabiwanne|Fabiwanne]] ([[User talk:Fabiwanne|talk]]) 03:12, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 April 2025 ==

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Change "(7—3 thousand Anno Domini)" to "(7—3 thousand BCE)" or (7—3 thousand Anno Domini BS).

Small change, the former "Anno Domini" is a clear mistake in the context, where paleolithic settlements are discussed. [[Special:Contributions/5.2.197.51|5.2.197.51]] ([[User talk:5.2.197.51|talk]]) 11:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:edit: (7—3 thousand BCE)" or (7—3 thousand BC). Copy Paste mistake on my part.

:also how can I edit previous suggestions? [[Special:Contributions/5.2.197.51|5.2.197.51]] ([[User talk:5.2.197.51|talk]]) 11:09, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

::{{done}} Hi you! Thank you for being so observant. You can edit the text that you write in Talk in the same way that you write text in Talk. You can simply erase a mistake, and write something else. Does that answer your question? Friendly, [[User:Lova Falk|Lova Falk]] ([[User talk:Lova Falk|talk]]) 17:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC)