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==I'm dubious. Does this topic really exist?==

==I'm dubious. Does this topic really exist?==

"task-based language learning" is, by definition, a subset of "language learning". The problem I see is that ''all'' language learning seems to be task-based, so the qualifier "task-based" is meaningless. It gets used by companies in their advertisements, and governments in their public relations work, but that doesn't imply that it means anything.

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UPDATE: I guess there's a topic "tasks (language learning tool)", and some methods are more task-based than others. No method is 100% or 0% task-based (just as no method is 100% or 0% grammar-based). A method that focusses a lot on tasks could be called "task-based", but it's just a label. This article shouldn't be about the label, it should be about the concept, which is "tasks (language learning tool)". [[User:Gronky|Gronky]] ([[User talk:Gronky|talk]]) 10:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm sceptical, there is nothing in the article or on this talk page as of Nov 2018 that isn't just part of the "performance" phase of PPP. I also don't believe this is all teachers do - for example, in reference to the Nike 1-800 example below, I don't see how you learn the words to ask an American about the price of shoes by calling a phoneline and starting to talk to them and I don't believe anyone actually makes their class do that without first showing i.e. "presenting" the correct form "How much does X cost?" and then practicing it a with them a bit. Having said that, in some materials I have seen the performance phase is not given enough attention so maybe there is some benefit in focusing on final P, so this is really ppP and if the way to get people to emphasise that is to tell them they are doing TBL then ok but this should be a subsection of the PPP article if there is one [[Special:Contributions/88.212.36.193|88.212.36.193]] ([[User talk:88.212.36.193|talk]]) 23:08, 23 November 2018 (UTC).

==This really is a topic==

For language education professionals, like me, this is very much a topic. It is one of the major developments of Communicative Language Teaching. In terms of Related approaches, at the bottom, Dogme should be deleted. I can't imagine, and I hope my suspicions are wrong, who added this. If anything is related, try webquests and communicative language teaching. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:J27325|J27325]] ([[User talk:J27325|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/J27325|contribs]]) 18:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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This definition (see below) does not belong on a page about TBLL. She frequently defines activities that more closely resemble traditional present-practise-produce type lessons, thereby turning the task phase of the activity a mere vehicle to practice the language presented in the input phase. This goes against the necessary and sufficient conditions of TBLL. I will remove it.

''"According to Jane Willis, TBLT consists of the pre-task, the task cycle, and the language focus.{{sfn|Willis|1996|pp=135-136}}''

''The components of a Task are:''

''# Goals and objectives''

''# Input''

''# Activities''

''# Teacher role''

''# learner role''

''# Settings"'' --[[User:Matbury|Matbury]] ([[User talk:Matbury|talk]]) 22:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

# Settings"''

==Dictogloss is not a legitimate task==

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I've combined the "advantages" and the "disadvantages" sections into one "reception" section. Mainly this is because in Wikipedia we shouldn't be writing what we as editors think are good and bad about TBLL, but rather what ''experts'' think is good and bad about TBLL. It might be helpful to look at the essay [[Wikipedia:Criticism]] to see the reasoning behind this, and for the general principle it is a very good idea to read the policy on [[WP:NOR|no original research]]. When adding to the reception section it is also important to use [[WP:SECONDARY|secondary sources]] that mention the praise or criticism, rather than [[WP:PRIMARY|primary sources]]. This ensures that we include only notable opinions, rather than any old likes and dislikes. Let me know if you have any questions about this. Best — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' ^{[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]} 03:12, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

And then three days later you removed the original "Disadvantages" part, which stated: "While task-based language learning is increasingly promoted world-wide and has the advantages described above, there are trade-offs and pitfalls to be considered in planning instruction around it. These include the risk that some students will stay within the narrow confines of familiar words and forms, just "getting by", so as to avoid the extra effort and risks of error that accompany stretching to use new words and forms. However, this kind of "playing safe" is not limited to TBLL and can be seen whenever learners a given free production tasks, for example written compositions or conversation practice. As with all group work, in group tasks, some students can "hide" and rely on others to do the bulk of the work and learning if other members of the group allow them to. Perceived lack of effort and/or participation by one or more members of a group can sometimes lead to conflict within the group. A second challenge is that the activities in which new learning occurs in the task-based lesson—one of its benefits—may yet be weak or lost if the lesson did not include sufficient planning for, or runs out of time for, are not repeated sufficiently or performed for long enough for the language to be competently developed and performed. A third challenge, one applying to many otherwise valuable language teaching methods, is the difficulty of implementing task-based teaching where classes are large and space limited and/or inflexible."

Nice trick to combine them first rather than just deleting the entire disadvantages paragraph which would have instead led to calls for sources.[[Special:Contributions/88.212.36.193|88.212.36.193]] ([[User talk:88.212.36.193|talk]]) 23:37, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

== The entry title TBLT or TBLL ==

I think the title should be changed. The Wikipedia entry title is Task Based Language Learning, TBLL, but then the contents use TBLT, Task Based Language Teaching. I think TBLT is the far more popular name these days. After all, TBLT.org ! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ctskelly|Ctskelly]] ([[User talk:Ctskelly#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ctskelly|contribs]]) 22:45, 10 January 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->[[User:Ctskelly|Ctskelly]] ([[User talk:Ctskelly|talk]]) 22:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Curtis Kelly