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*By now, most 15.0 changes seem to be processed & updated. See REcent Changes for current edits history. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 11:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
*:As a list of version-15.0-changes needed or done, this list is incomplete. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 05:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
== Code Points ==
The lead claims that there are currently 149 186 characters in the Standard. That's confusing! Is that actual characters or does it include unprintable code points? I know what a code point is, my point is that the lead shouldn't confuse code points with characters. (I also argue that a "control character" isn't 'really' a character, not a grapheme, but that's a fight for somewhere else.) Writing about Unicode without an early clear explanation of what a code point is, is -I think- awful pedagogy. In fact, I don't think code point - a fundamental aspect of Unicode - is even defined in the article!!!! Wow, just wow.
I also would like someone to verify that Unicode has characters for color. I believe that's wrong/false/misleading. I am aware that certain emoji can be modified by a code point to change some of its color. As far as I know, this is only true with a very small set of code points, and a very very small set of colors (I don't actually know if the colors are well-defined, I'd expect so, but...). These aren't colors, but are color modifiers for those other code points. [[Special:Contributions/174.130.71.156|174.130.71.156]] ([[User talk:174.130.71.156|talk]]) 16:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
:There are no color defining codes in Unicode but there are names of characters that specify a color if displayed on a color device. Searching the word color in the article shows some possibly confusing text about color but nothing outright wrong.
:This article leaves a lot to be desired, if you wish to make changes, you should. It's a wiki after all. [[User:SchmuckyTheCat|SchmuckyTheCat]] ([[User talk:SchmuckyTheCat|talk]]) 05:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
*There are two Variation Selectors (U+FE0E and U+FE0F) which specify whether an Emoji should be ideally displayed in color or black and white, but other than that, there are no color specifications in Unicode. The term "character" and "code point" are specified in the Unicode Standard, and if you feel that the coverage here is inadequate in conveying the meaning of those terms, I absolutely encourage you to contribute content to better reflect their technical specification. For the record, any code point defined beyond "Not A Character" or "Reserved" is a "character". This means control characters and whitespace are all considered characters in Unicode, just like a letter in an alphabet, a Kanji with On and Kun readings, or a mathematical symbol. [[User:Vanisaac|Van]][[User talk:Vanisaac|Isaac]], GHTV<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Vanisaac|cont]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"><small>[[WP:WPWR|WpWS]]</small></sub> 06:18, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
== Lead is simply wrong. ==
The offending sentence is:"The Unicode standard defines three and several other encodings exist, all in practice [[Variable-width encoding|variable-length encodings]]." (Sure, you could strain to interpret that to mean "all but UTF-32", but let's keep it clear. It clearly implies all encodings are variable length. Wikipedia's own article on UTF-32 says it is fixed length. (Because it only needs to use 21 of the 32 bits for Unicode code points, it is very inefficient (and rarely used, afaik). But rarely used is not the same as "doesn't exist", and "all are variable" clearly implies it doesn't exist. I'd have to look again, are there really 3 variable Unicode encodings? I can only think of UTF-8 and UTF-16. (and some others that afaik are not "defined" in the Unicode standard (like GB18030), or that are obsolete (like UTF-7).) Replace "all" with "all common encodings" or something similar, and mention UTF-32.[[Special:Contributions/174.130.71.156|174.130.71.156]] ([[User talk:174.130.71.156|talk]]) 11:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
:I think the intended meaning of this was that even if ''code points'' are fixed-size, modern Unicode is effectively variable-width, as what the user thinks is a "character" sometimes needs multiple code points.[[User:Spitzak|Spitzak]] ([[User talk:Spitzak|talk]]) 16:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
::Yes, Unicode includes both [[combining character]]s and [[precomposed character]]s, e.g., <{{U+|0061}} “a” latin small letter a> <{{U+|0308}} "¨" combining diaeresis> is equivalent to <{{U+|00E4}} "ä" latin small letter A with diaeresis>. Further, some glyphs exist at multiple code points for historical reasons. There is a discussion of cannonical forms in the Unicode standard. --[[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 21:57, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
::It seems odd to me to describe code points as "fixed size". They're just an abstract number. It's when you ''encode'' (or store) the code points that you get variable lengths, at least for UTF-8, UTF-EBCDIC, and UTF-16 as described in the article. I think combining characters are a red herring for this discussion. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 23:10, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
:::The Unicode standard does restrict the number of code points, so describing them as as fixed length 21-bit or 32-bit data is reasonable. [[user:Spitzak|Spitzak]] is referring to characters, which indeed are variable length, a separate issue from the length of an encoded code point that does deserve mention. --[[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 17:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
== Inline mentioning ==
I object to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unicode&diff=prev&oldid=1151049361 reversal] by {{U|Peter M. Brown}}, citing [[WP:ITALICTITLE]] inappropriately. I'd say that the name, a noun, should not be in italics.
ITALICTITLE referst to the name of a ''work'', ie the work itself (play, periodic, book). However, the Unicode standard is a ''standard'', not a book &tc. not even it's publication. The Standard is abstraction: the set of rules. It is a proper noun full stop. Key is, the article title notes the subject: the standard not the book. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Peter M. Brown}} -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
== Why no section about missing graphemes? ==
I don't know if it would be manageable, but Unicode clearly does not have all commonly used symbols. A simple example is the very commonly used 'slash marks' used to count. Most reading this will be familiar with the sequence /, //, ///, ////, and <s>////</s> with the crossmark (strike-through) diagonal (top left to bottom right) rather than horizontal. (This is typical in the USA, I understand European convention is slightly different). I request the editors to consider the addition of a list of missing (but documented) symbols.[[Special:Contributions/40.142.183.146|40.142.183.146]] ([[User talk:40.142.183.146|talk]]) 11:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
:Unicode's non-inclusion of tally marks is covered in {{slink|Tally marks|Unicode}}. I don't think it's a good idea to include it also in this article. That would open the door of listing every proposal that has not yet been accepted. [[User:Indefatigable|Indefatigable]] ([[User talk:Indefatigable|talk]]) 15:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
:I also oppose this idea. The set of unencoded symbols is open-ended and may exceed the number of encoded symbols. There would also be no way to determine ''which'' unencoded symbols merit mention. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 16:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
== Proposed new writing systems to be encoded into Unicode 16 ==
Unicode 16 is set to release in September 2024. I think the following (con)scripts definitely need to be encoded:
* Chữ Việt Trí - an alphabet invented by Tôn Thất Chương in 2012 for Vietnamese language. It's still nicer than Latin-based Quoc Ngu and needs wide recognition as the Shavian and Hangul did.
* Add support for Quikscript.
* Add extra missing runes from Baconsthrope and Sedgeford and Armanen runes
* Possibly add something more.
[[Special:Contributions/94.180.80.9|94.180.80.9]] ([[User talk:94.180.80.9|talk]]) 07:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
:Take a look at Unicode's FAQ for [http://www.unicode.org/faq/char_proposal.html Submitting Successful Character and Script Proposals]. Wikipedia isn't affiliated with The Unicode Consortium so requests here won't be seen or acted upon by the people who can actually add characters/scripts to the Unicode Standard. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 14:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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