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::It seems odd to me to describe code points as "fixed size". They're just an abstract number. It's when you ''encode'' (or store) the code points that you get variable lengths, at least for UTF-8, UTF-EBCDIC, and UTF-16 as described in the article. I think combining characters are a red herring for this discussion. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 23:10, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

:::The Unicode standard does restrict the number of code points, so describing them as as fixed length 21-bit or 32-bit data is reasonable. [[user:Spitzak|Spitzak]] is referring to characters, which indeed are variable length, a separate issue from the length of an encoded code point that does deserve mention. --[[User:Chatul|Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul]] ([[User talk:Chatul|talk]]) 17:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

== Inline mentioning ==

I object to the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unicode&diff=prev&oldid=1151049361 reversal] by {{U|Peter M. Brown}}, citing [[WP:ITALICTITLE]] inappropriately. I'd say that the name, a noun, should not be in italics.

ITALICTITLE referst to the name of a ''work'', ie the work itself (play, periodic, book). However, the Unicode standard is a ''standard'', not a book &tc. not even it's publication. The Standard is abstraction: the set of rules. It is a proper noun full stop. Key is, the article title notes the subject: the standard not the book. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 17:04, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Peter M. Brown}} -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

== Why no section about missing graphemes? ==

I don't know if it would be manageable, but Unicode clearly does not have all commonly used symbols. A simple example is the very commonly used 'slash marks' used to count. Most reading this will be familiar with the sequence /, //, ///, ////, and <s>////</s> with the crossmark (strike-through) diagonal (top left to bottom right) rather than horizontal. (This is typical in the USA, I understand European convention is slightly different). I request the editors to consider the addition of a list of missing (but documented) symbols.[[Special:Contributions/40.142.183.146|40.142.183.146]] ([[User talk:40.142.183.146|talk]]) 11:49, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:Unicode's non-inclusion of tally marks is covered in {{slink|Tally marks|Unicode}}. I don't think it's a good idea to include it also in this article. That would open the door of listing every proposal that has not yet been accepted. [[User:Indefatigable|Indefatigable]] ([[User talk:Indefatigable|talk]]) 15:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:I also oppose this idea. The set of unencoded symbols is open-ended and may exceed the number of encoded symbols. There would also be no way to determine ''which'' unencoded symbols merit mention. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 16:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

== Proposed new writing systems to be encoded into Unicode 16 ==

Unicode 16 is set to release in September 2024. I think the following (con)scripts definitely need to be encoded:

* Chữ Việt Trí - an alphabet invented by Tôn Thất Chương in 2012 for Vietnamese language. It's still nicer than Latin-based Quoc Ngu and needs wide recognition as the Shavian and Hangul did.

* Add support for Quikscript.

* Add extra missing runes from Baconsthrope and Sedgeford and Armanen runes

* Possibly add something more.

[[Special:Contributions/94.180.80.9|94.180.80.9]] ([[User talk:94.180.80.9|talk]]) 07:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

:Take a look at Unicode's FAQ for [http://www.unicode.org/faq/char_proposal.html Submitting Successful Character and Script Proposals]. Wikipedia isn't affiliated with The Unicode Consortium so requests here won't be seen or acted upon by the people who can actually add characters/scripts to the Unicode Standard. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 14:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)