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:Easiest way to fix that is by editing the banner template [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiProject_Redirect&diff=prev&oldid=1263837498] — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 23:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
== Better redirect template handling ==
At [[Module:WikiProject_banner#L-283]], the banner name should not be the value of <syntaxhighlight lang="Lua" inline>local banner_name = mw.title.new(args.BANNER_NAME or 'Template:WikiProject ' .. (args.PROJECT or 'PROJECT'))</syntaxhighlight>, but it should instead be the value of <syntaxhighlight lang="Lua" inline>mw.getCurrentFrame():getParent():getTitle()</syntaxhighlight>, as this will allow any redirect usages to be validated as well, and not only those templates titled "WikiProject {{var|something}}". [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 12:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Template:WikiAfrica/Share Your Knowledge conversion ==
Adding this here incase anyone has the time. [[Template:WikiAfrica/Share Your Knowledge]] (and the templates that use it such as [[Template:WikiAfrica/Artgate]]) should be converted to use the WP banner system. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
== Update Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage to move the class and listas parameters ==
In the autodoc section of [[Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage]], the {{para|class}} and {{para|listas}} values should be removed and shown in the examples in use inside the WikiProject banner shell.
Convert:
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">
Basic usage
Place this on the talk page of relevant articles:
{{WikiProject Skyscrapers |class= |importance= }}
</syntaxhighlight>
to:
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">
Basic usage
Place this on the talk page of relevant articles:
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=|
{{WikiProject Skyscrapers|importance=}}
}}
</syntaxhighlight>
and
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">
Full usage
It is usual to remove any unused parameters from the template call.
{{WikiProject Skyscrapers |category= |listas= |class= |importance= |attention= |needs-infobox= |unref= |Imageneeded= }}
</syntaxhighlight>
to:
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">
Full usage
It is usual to remove any unused parameters from the template call.
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=|listas=|
{{WikiProject Skyscrapers|importance= |attention= |needs-infobox= |unref= |Imageneeded= |category= }}
}}
</syntaxhighlight>
here also move {{para|category}} to the end as it's the least important parameter. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
:Looks good. Are you happy to make those changes to the code? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:32, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
::I'm not touching the code anymore. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 08:50, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:::How's that looking now? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 23:24, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Looks good. In the "deprecated" section, maybe also add the "this parameter should be used with the banner shell template" to the class parameter. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
== Override importance to NA on non-articles ==
There is a suggestion ([[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BaranBOT 6|link]]) that importance ratings e.g. {{para|importance|mid}} should be ignored on non-articles, like redirects. At the moment the module will automatically apply NA-importance to these pages if no importance is specified, but it will not override a specified importance. What do people think? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
:The suggestion makes sense, and overridden pages can be filtered into {{cat|Pages with conflicting importance ratings}}. As long as any WikiProjects that wish to use their own importance scheme can use a custom importance mask, I don't see a problem. I would just be careful about not emptying that category too quickly, to give WikiProjects that do importance-rate #Rs, cats, templates, etc., time to make their own masks. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 11:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
::If the rating is ignored, then it doesn't create a conflict. For example if you type {{para|class|C}} on a redirect, then that will be ignored and it will still be classified as a redirect, and it does not trigger the conflicting ratings category. Should that be the same for ignored importance ratings? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
:::If any and all WikiProjects that currently use importance on non-articles (idk what that # is) have their importance masks in place, then sure, importance ratings can be ignored. <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 12:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
:Are there any projects that currently categorize their redirects by importance? [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 12:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
::None intentionally, as far as I am aware. The only ones I have encountered have been left over from a move or merge of a page. If we did this, it would affect all non-articles, i.e. disambiguation pages, templates, portals, etc. would all get NA-importance automatically. So we should consider projects like [[Template:WikiProject Templates]], [[Template:WikiProject Portals]], etc. which may be tracking the importance of these pages. If they are, then a custom importance mask can be used — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
:::What is a custom importance mask? · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 04:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, WikiProject Underwater diving classifies redirects with the potential to become full articles with the importance the full article would have, thereby giving anyone who might be considering converting to a full article some idea of whether it would be worth the effort. · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 04:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
If we are going to do this, then we need the check all possible projects which are tracking non-articles by importance. If there are any, then they need to be switched to a custom importance mask. I will add candidates to check to the table below — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:05, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
!Project!!Notes
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template|WikiProject Flag Template]]|| Does not have any categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates|WikiProject Templates]]||Does not have any categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Inline Templates|WikiProject Inline Templates]]||[[:Category:WikiProject Inline Templates pages]] does not use sub-categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject template sharing|WikiProject template sharing]]|| Dead project
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation|WikiProject Disambiguation]]|| [[:Category:WikiProject Disambiguation pages]] does not use sub-categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Redirect|WikiProject Redirect]]|| [[:Category:WikiProject Redirect pages]] does not use importance sub-categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject English Numeral Royalty Redirect|WikiProject English Numeral Royalty Redirect]]|| Dead project
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|WikiProject Portals]]|| [[:Category:Portal pages by importance]]. Uses custom code, should not be affected.
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories|WikiProject Categories]]|| [[:Category:WikiProject Categories pages]] does not use its own importance sub-categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Category sorting|WikiProject Category sorting]]|| Defunct
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia essays|WikiProject Wikipedia essays]]|| [[:Category:Wikipedia essays articles by importance]]. Already using custom mask.
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Policy and Guidelines|WikiProject Policy and Guidelines]]|| Defunct
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media|WikiProject Images and Media]]|| [[:Category:WikiProject Images and Media]] does not use importance sub-categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject User Help|WikiProject User Help]]|| Defunct
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts|WikiProject Abandoned Drafts]]|| [[:Category:WikiProject Abandoned Drafts]] does not use importance sub-categories
|-
|[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Manual of Style|WikiProject Manual of Style]]|| Defunct
|-
|[[Wikipedia:Help Project|Help Project]]|| [[:Category:Help articles by importance]] has sub categories
|}
Okay so we can do this - will look at coding it next week. It will be an opportunity to move away from using {{tl|importance mask}} and use a Lua version instead — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:59, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
:Proposed code in sandbox — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:Just to confirm. The new version will force NA importance on any non-article, but it will still permit NA to be used on an article. Is this correct? Would it be better to prohibit NA in article space, in which case NA would resolve to Unknown? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::NA on an article sounds strange. I'd like to see an actual usage where one would set this. It would seem that if an article is NA then it's pretty much not notable for inclusion in Wikipedia (or that the project shouldn't have tagged it). Regarding the other namespaces, any project that wants to give importance to non-articles should have a custom mask? [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:::I tend to agree. NA on an article would not make much sense, and if any project wanted to do that, they should set up a custom mask. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
=== NA importance (break) ===
Pages like [[List of storms named Ningning]] which is a set index article, are often assessed with NA-importance. These will become unknown importance if we change this. Is that a problem? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
:Set index pages should probably be treated like disambiguation pages, unless some projects are actually setting different importance to them. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 22:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
::Couldn't agree more. I have long argued that set index articles should be classified as disambiguation pages, because that is what 99% of them are. There may be a few real SIAs with actual content, but most are just a collection of links. The easiest way to do this, is make an edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Surname/doc&diff=prev&oldid=1187801648 like this], which would convert all the list articles on surnames into disambiguation pages in one swoop. But as you can see I was reverted back in 2023, and many kB of discussion ensued which did not reach a satisfactory conclusion — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Another option is to have a list like [[Module:Disambiguation/templates]] for [[:Category:Set index article templates]] so the module can detect them. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::::We already have that list and can detect them. But the problem is that set index articles are supposed to be '''articles''' and shouldn't be getting NA importance — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well in that case, an article shouldn't get NA importance and should get categorized as unknown (though again, I personally think they should be detected as set index and set to NA). [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::If we make this change I anticipate some queries/complaints along the lines of "why can't I set NA importance for this set index article?" I think we are taking the reasonable and appropriate action, but the mis-classification of SIAs continues to cause problems ... To reduce confusion, let's keep the possibility of assessing articles with NA-importance for now. If the SIA/disambig issue is ever sorted properly, we can revisit this — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
{{done}} — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Hang on a bit here. WikiProject Underwater diving uses importance on redirects to indicate which could/should reasonably be converted to full articles some day, and how important the ''topic'' is to the project. Are you classifying redirects as non-articles? How will we visibly indicate which redirects are potentially articles and which are not? · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 03:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, all redirects are classified as non-articles. We can set up a custom importance mask for your project, and you can continue to assess importance in any way you wish — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::That seems an entirely reasonable option, thanks for your response. My template coding skills are rudimentary, so I may have to come bck with some questions about how it works if I don't manage to get it to do what is needed. Cheers · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 14:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:::It's already done. So you won't need to edit it, unless you want to make any other changes — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, thanks, I understand, and don't expect any problems or need for changes, but you never know... · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 15:29, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}} at [[Template:WikiProject Underwater diving/importance]]. This should now be handling importance the same way it was before — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
It looks like the change has caused some issues with [[WP:RATER]], in that it is now impossible for the script to assign values to importance other than NA to all articles, not just set index and redirects (see [[User talk:Evad37/rater.js#It is no longer possible to assign an importance to a redirect|talk page discussion there]]). [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 17:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:Articles should not be given NA. If it's NA for your project, then your project shouldn't tag that page. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 17:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
::That's not what they are saying. They are saying that Rater will only allow them to rate NA. I can confirm that I am seeing this too, but need to look into why this might be — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
:The change to this module does seem to have mucked up rater. I have no idea why, because the module is working just fine. But perhaps we should consider a partial revert to allow time for @[[User:Evad37|Evad37]] to look into this and apply a fix — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
::That seems a prudent response, Rater is quite heavily used and there in no great urgency for this change, Cheers, · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 12:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
:::I have reverted the change to the importance mask (although I still can't think of any way this could have an impact). Please let me know if you notice an improvement to rater? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
::::It allows an importance to be allocated to a redirect for Wikiproject underwater diving, so OK on that count. · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 05:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
:I'm just going to toss in a general comment that supports allowing projects to tag the importance of Drafts and Redirects. In the former situation, I will find drafts from the New Article reports and tag them appropriately with all of the desired details. Then when someone reviews it, that editor only has to assign a quality rating. I find that well-meaning people don't always know what importance to assign when they aren't active members of a project, and I'll have to go tweak the rating later. Also, the importance rating can serve as an indicator of which drafts should get attention to push them across the finish line as articles.
:As for redirects, it's similar. Some redirects have possibilities for expansion into future articles, and if we can rate them by importance now, it gives some indication on which should be prioritized over others. Not every project may see the utility in this, but some will. Removing this possibility across the board disallows projects to use this potential tool. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<span style="color:white;">Imzadi 1979</span>]] [[User talk:Imzadi1979|<span style="color:white;"><big>→</big></span>]]'''</span> 18:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
::I agree on both counts, but this tends to be different for different projects. Some do not allocate an importance at all, others find it a useful tool. I would suggest that only non-articles that have the potential to become articles can usefully be allocated an importance, and all others should probably be rated as NA, while all actual articles should have a non-NA rating if the project allocates importance. If the project does not allocate importance, then no importance should be the only and automatic rating, and no options are needed. · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 04:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
::Importance for drafts and redirects (and userspace drafts?) sounds reasonable for the reasons stated. I guess it depends on how many projects are actually doing this. If it's common, then we should support this as standard. It it's niche, then those projects can easily use a custom mask — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
::We now have the green light to reimplement this change. So we need to decide whether to allow importance ratings for certain non-articles, e.g. redirects and drafts, or treat all non-articles as NA. Does anyone else have any opinions on this, or should we try [[WT:COUNCIL]]? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
===NA importance (break 2)===
Just to make sure that everyone is board with this change, the table below clarifies the proposed output in different scenarios, as I understand it — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
:looks ok to me. · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 13:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
::This is now coded on the sandbox — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::{{done}}. Diving should now be able to go back to the standard importance mask (unless there is anything else non-standard that you want to do) — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Does that require any action from us? · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 05:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
!Page type
!Valid input, e.g. "mid"
!Invalid/blank input
!Input "na"
|-
!Articles
|Mid
|Unknown
|NA{{efn|For the purpose [[WP:SIA|SIAs]], it will still be possible to rate articles as NA importance, for now.}}
|-
!Redirects & drafts
|Mid{{efn|Redirects and drafts are potential articles, so projects may wish to rate them by importance.}}
|NA
|NA
|-
!All other pages
|NA
|NA
|NA
|}
{{Notelist-talk}}
=== Follow up ===
I noticed that on [[Draft talk:Quantum Coupling Hypothesis]] the importance is set to low, but this is being ignored and they are getting NA-importance. This suggests that the code approved above is not working correctly — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:Apparently this was never implemented properly for drafts. I only tested it on redirects! Now fixed on the sandbox. This means that the page type will be displayed on the banner. Which is better: draft or draft article?
:*'''Current:''' This page is within the scope of WikiProject Physics ...
:*'''Option 1:''' This draft article is within the scope of WikiProject Physics ...
:*'''Option 2:''' This draft is within the scope of WikiProject Physics ...
:— Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:04, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
::I would go for option 1 first, 2 second, without any strong feelings about the choice. Both are better than current. · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 11:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks Peter. I've gone with option 2 for now because that matches what the banner shell template uses, but don't really mind either wy. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:05, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
== January 2025 update ==
Code on the sandbox:
* Fix the problem with drafts not being able to rated for importance (see [[#Override importance to NA on non-articles]])
* Remove the transition code for the category moves from "articles" to "pages" (see [[#Fallback conflict]])
* Add transition code for the intersection categories (see bottom of [[#Changes for FM-class]])
* Fix an issue where the class was not being shown in the banner when there is no banner shell rating.
* Remove all code for the listas parameter (see [[#Moving listas to banner shell]])
— Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:53, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{done|Deployed}} — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:35, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
== Moving listas to banner shell ==
I have coded some tracking categories to help us ensure that all listas values are moved into the banner shell template. I have created the following tracking categories:
# {{clc|WikiProject banners with redundant listas value}}
# {{clc|WikiProject banners with listas value which needs moving to banner shell}}
# <s>{{clc|WikiProject banners with conflicting listas value}}</s>
My plan to deal with these is:
# Parameter removed by bot ([[User:Qwerfjkl]] has offered to use his bot)
# Parameter moved by bot (I think [[User:Cewbot]] should already do this)
# Human review needed. (These should already be tracked in [[:Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts]] and possibly cleared out by other editors working through this category.)
Any comments? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:57, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
:When completed and categories emptied, I think the code can be simplified to just have "Category:WikiProject banners with listas value which needs moving to banner shell", when listas is used. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 21:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
::Absolutely. And after a while, we could just remove the parameter entirely and then they will turn up in the unknown parameter categories — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 11:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Planning to remove [[:Category:WikiProject banners with conflicting listas value]] because they will be picked up by [[:Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts]] — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 19:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
:Martin, I don't understand this. Listas and defaultsort refer to the article page but the banner shell is on the talk page. [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#800082">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 00:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
::You can sort any page, including talk pages. The banner sorts the page it's placed on. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 06:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
It's taken a while but I think we are now ready to remove all the code for listas from this module. Any remaining values will be picked up by the unknown parameter tracking — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{removed}}. Now if you remove <code><nowiki>|listas={{{listas|}}}</nowiki></code> from banner templates, any use of listas will tracked as an unknown parameter — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:39, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
== Changes for FM-class ==
A few days ago [[:Category:FM-Class articles]] and all its subcategories were renamed to [[:Category:FM-Class pages]] and the module needs to be updated to reflect this.
I am requesting a code review of changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner%2Fsandbox&diff=1261572962&oldid=1261227606 here]. There is a test case at [[Module talk:WikiProject banner/testcases#FM-class]]. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|MSGJ}} I don't know Lua, but it seems like [[Special:Diff/1261666097|this change]] made some talk pages of Wikipedia essays be categorized under [[:Category:Top-impact WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages articles]] instead of simply [[:Category:Top-impact WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages]] (also applies to high, mid and low importance). For instance, [[Wikipedia talk:Inline citation]] used to be [https://web.archive.org/web/20241130183129/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Inline_citation#footer correctly categorized], but after the module edit, the red linked category was there. [[:Category:Top-impact WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages|The latter category page]] says that 9 pages are under it, but after purging one of those pages, it appeared under the red linked one. [[User:ObserveOwl|ObserveOwl]] ([[User talk:ObserveOwl#top|talk]]) 15:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for reporting. I think I know how to fix that — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::Actually, not sure of the best way to fix this, but we also have [[:Category:NA-Class AfC project pages articles]]. Basically any project that was not using "articles" at the end of their assessment category will be affected. The next step is to rename other non-article page categories to "pages", and then I think this problem will largely be resolved. But it may take a bit of time to do this ... — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 23:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads]] still broken. See [[:File talk:Bixby Creek Bridge, California, USA - May 2013.jpg]]. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 19:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
::::U.S. Roads does not use this module for its task forces. I have looked into converting it in the past, but there were barriers. I may have to move those categories back to their original names — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I don't think this module should continue supporting the handful of templates that want to do stuff their own way. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 01:30, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::[[Template:WikiProject Redirect]] and [[:Category:NA-Class redirect pages articles]] also causing problems. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 17:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Update: all remaining non-article categories have been nominated for moving. Please comment [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_7#Category:Category-Class_articles|here]]. Once these are done, we can fix this mess properly — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 23:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:I believe that the required changes for all the remaining categories is now in [[:Module:WikiProject banner/sandbox]], but would appreciate any help testing and reviewing code — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|MSGJ}} File-Class categories are now listed at [[WP:CFDW]] for Speedy processing. Please could you repeat your FM-Class edits to [[Module:WikiProject banner]] for File class? – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 10:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:::It would be best if we could process all the others in one go, i.e. wait for [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_7#Category:Category-Class_articles|these]] to be closed — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:16, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::::No it would be best to fix this now. This renaming has caused chaos because the bot can't process it and the templates can't be easily amended. Please make the necessary amendments immediately. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] ([[User talk:Timrollpickering|talk]]) 00:25, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::You are being overly dramatic, using words like "chaos", and it is not helpful. A handful of redlinked categories does not constitute chaos. I believe the necessary changes have now been made to the module, sop hopefully the bot can continue its work — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:[[Template:WikiProject assessment category check]] needs to be updated. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 23:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Gonnym}} like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:WikiProject_assessment_category_check/sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1263832215 this]? – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 22:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I didn't check what needs to be done, I just noticed it was causing errors when looking at another page. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 11:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
I have rewritten [[Template:Category class]] in Lua, so it will now recognise categories with "pages" instead of "articles" — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:19, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you {{u|MSGJ}}, that looks to have been quite a big piece of work. Please can you help with Gonnym's request above? For future reference, [[Template:Assessment Class Summary]] is another template that needs updating if any other classes are renamed from "articles". – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 22:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
=== Break ===
{{ping|MSGJ}}: There is quite a bit of work not yet done to clean up the mess created by all this category renaming. Just to take the first two categories appearing in [[:Category:Wikipedia non-empty soft redirected categories]]:
# [[:Category:Category-Class 20th Century Studios articles of NA-importance]] contains 94 pages that are being placed in this category by {{tl|WikiProject 20th Century Studios}}.
# [[:Category:Category-Class Alabama road transport articles]] contains 49 pages that are being placed in this category by {{tl|WikiProject U.S. Roads}}.
Again, this is literally just the first two out of some 6,000+ assessment categories that may need to be reviewed and templates that need to be updated to use the new category names. It would be greatly appreciated if this could be made a priority, because the current backlog of incorrectly categorized pages is severely impacting the category redirect fixing bot. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 13:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Regarding the former, I was not aware these were being moved yet. Please link to the closed CfD for this. For the latter, we are actively discussing a way to fix these on [[Template talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads]] — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:43, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::OK - the 20th Century Studios category apparently was moved by an overzealous editor (per the history) who saw a bunch of similarly-named categories being moved, and assumed that this one should be too. But then you have [[:Category:Category-Class Animation articles of NA-importance]], which was moved by the bot after someone (not me!) marked it for CFD/Speedy. Don't know how many others there are like this. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 20:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::I will try and look at the code changes needed for the intersecting categories as soon as possible (hopefully sometime this week) — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Okay I have some code ready for review in [[Module:WikiProject banner/auxiliary/sandbox]]. Changes are:
:::* <s>If {{para|class|NA}} then no intersection category will be used.</s>
:::* <s>If {{para|importance|NA}} then no intersection category will be used.</s>
:::* For a non-article class (e.g. Redirect-class) it will check if the category with "pages" exists and will use that, otherwise it will use the category with "articles".
:::I tested this on [[:Category:Redirect-Class India articles of Mid-importance]] which is now at [[:Category:Redirect-Class India pages of Mid-importance]] and it seems to work okay — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 23:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I jumped the gun on removing NA categories. There was a [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 21#Category:Portal-Class Comics articles of NA-importance|CfD]] but it only applied to two categories not more generally. I've left these in for now — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] This code has now been deployed, so we should be able to start nominating these categories for moving — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:37, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
::::@[[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] If you review [[User:RussBot/category redirect log]], you'll see that there seems to be a new backlog of pages in the NA-importance categories that aren't being re-categorized by the template(s) correctly. --[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] ([[User talk:R'n'B|call me]] Russ) 13:09, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
== NA-importance pages/articles ==
Something is causing NA-importance pages to appear in the articles redirects - see [[User:RussBot/category redirect log]] for many examples. Can this be fixed ASAP before this jams up the redirect bots. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] ([[User talk:Timrollpickering|talk]]) 13:02, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:Will investigate — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:14, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
:{{fixed}} silly error which did not show itself on my test cases — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:50, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
== [[:Category:Disambig-Class List articles]] and others ==
@[[User:HouseBlaster|HouseBlaster]] and @[[User:R'n'B|R'n'B]] have pointed out a problem with the code for projects that have opted out of PIQA. We are using [[Module:Pagetype]] to detect whether a page is an article or some other type of page (e.g. disambiguation pages and redirects are not classified as articles), and this is used to determine whether to use "pages" or "articles" in the category name.
The problem occurs for opt-out projects because they can set their class to be whatever they wish, regardless of the page type. For example [[C2Cl2F4]] is a list article but WikiProject Lists classified it as a disambiguation page. Therefore it is going into [[:Category:Disambig-Class List articles]] rather than [[:Category:Disambig-Class List pages]]. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
:We should distinguish between two things here. What a project classifies a page for their project, and what a page is. WP History can say that in their opinion an article is not the global quality of say "B" and they give it a "C", what they can't do, is say an article is a category. Same thing with disambiguation pages. A page is, or is not, a disambiguation page. That is something that is global. I'm opposed to any and all changes which let projects falsely identify pages. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::It appears the articles in [[:Category:Disambig-Class List articles]] were just rookie mistakes. They are now in [[:Category:List-Class List articles]] (not [[:Category:Disambig-Class List pages]] since, as correctly stated, they are articles). [[User:Nurg|Nurg]] ([[User talk:Nurg|talk]]) 23:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
::There are projects that choose to define certain categories as Project-class because they are internal project categories rather than content categories. I'm not sure we should be enforcing such a strict interpretation, to stop them doing that — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:33, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Well then, start an RfC and lets see where the consensus is. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm not the one trying to change the status quo — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:36, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
See also related discussions at [[Template talk:WikiProject banner shell#Request: Class=Project to override other default allocations]] and [[Template talk:WikiProject Military history#Redlinked class-rating categories, again]]. I am thinking that we should keep a record of which classes are "pages" and which classes are "articles". Then opt-out projects can do whatever they like without messing up the category system — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:39, 1 February 2025 (UTC)
== DOC=auto Please see ==
Small inconsistency: in the [[Template:WikiProject Oceania#Deprecated parameters|#Deprecated parameters]] section, both listas & class bullets' 2nd sentence should start with either "Please see ..." or "See ..." and not both. This is the only instance of "Please see ..." I see, so preference goes to "See ...". <b>~</b> <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span> 12:00, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
== Eliminating the remaining uses of [[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks]] and its subpages ==
===Low hanging fruit===
* {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks}}
* {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks/collapsed}}
* {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks/notecounter}}
* {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks/notes}}
* {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces}}
* {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces/core}}
* {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks/tfnested}}
From what I can tell, I think we are all set to delete (under [[WP:T5]]) the templates listed above, but I am asking here before actually pushing the button. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b> ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]] • he/they) 02:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:[[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/notecounter]] is mentioned at [[Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage#L-24]]. Other than that, the few transclusions left for the others can be deleted. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 09:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::<s>I don't want to break that module; can that line just be deleted per [[WP:BEANS]]? [[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|'''Blaster''']] ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]] • he/they) 23:46, 26 February 2025 (UTC)</s>
:::Figured out [[Special:Diff/1278003814|how to remove it]]. [[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|'''Blaster''']] ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]] • he/they) 23:31, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
===[[Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/cats]]===
The other remaining subtemplate – {{tfd links|WPBannerMeta/hooks/cats}} – is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3AWPBannerMeta%2Fhooks%2Fcats&namespace=10&hidelinks=1&limit=50 still in use] at [[Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/cats]]. I can see of several possible solutions, in order of increasing complexity:
#Leave it be.
#*Pros: Very easy
#*Cons: Feels like we are inviting further use of a deprecated template
#Move it to [[Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/cats/core]] (or some other subpage)
#*Pros: Easy, prevents use of the template in other locations
#*Cons: Still leaves around some technical debt
#Merge its functionality with [[Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/cats]]
#*Pros: Marginally decreases technical debt; impossible to continue to use any of the hooks
#*Cons: More challenging; [[Template:WikiProject U.S. Roads/cats]] still exists
I lean towards option 2. Best, <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b> ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]] • he/they) 02:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
:2 will be the easiest for now and will allow to decouple it from the parent template. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
::I have actioned option 2. [[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|'''Blaster''']] ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]] • he/they) 23:32, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
== NA class category warnings ==
While processing a move request for [[Template:WikiProject Song Contests]], and then updating the categories (for the first time), I was caught unaware of the changes to the NA-related categories, [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_7#Category:Category-Class_articles]]. This led to an eventual deletion of [[:Category:NA-importance Song Contests articles]] and [[:Category:NA-Class Song Contests articles]] as these became redirects to the now non-existent Eurovision categories.
Then in the [[Template:WikiProject Song Contests]] page, warnings came up, requesting to create the 'articles' categories, leading to me recreating the redirects to suppress the warnings (cc: @[[User:Liz|Liz]]). Can these warnings be suppressed outright in the module codes since the articles are being automatically set to the 'pages' categories already? [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 23:09, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
:Yes I will update those, thanks for the reminder — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 10:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}, finally got round to this — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:09, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
== Pre-load templates ==
We are still using the following templates:
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/preloadqual]]
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/preloadimp]]
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/preloadmeta]]
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/editintro]]
and these are also using:
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/deduceclass]]
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/deduceimportance]]
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/impheader]]
* [[Template:WPBannerMeta/templatepage/qualheader]]
I would firstly like to move these to a more suitable ___location (as [[Template:WPBannerMeta]] is no longer in use) and also to update and simplify this whole family of templates, because things can be done a lot more easily these days — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:16, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
:{{done}}. I have moved the three preload templates to [[Template:WikiProject banner preload template]] and deleted all the rest which are no longer needed — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
== To do adjustments ==
I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AWikiProject_banner%2Fauxiliary%2Fsandbox&diff=1274014600&oldid=1268570995 made a few adjustments] to the to do related code in /auxiliary/sandbox.
# Converted the presentational table to a more appropriate div.
# Use a dark mode token for the background.
# Removed support for setting custom styles. [[Template:WikiProject Freemasonry]] is the only project which uses them ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource:/TODO_STYLE/%20-intitle:/(\/sandbox|\/doc)/&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1&ns828=1 TODO_STYLE] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=insource:/TODO_TITLE_STYLE/%20-intitle:/(\/sandbox|\/doc)/&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns10=1&ns828=1 TODO_TITLE_STYLE]), and the way in which they are used is not friendly for dark mode, though the particular color flavor happens to be readable. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AWikiProject_NASCAR&diff=1274014111&oldid=1175978317 I removed another] which was using the default in light mode.
It looks like [[Module:WikiProject banner/templatepage]] needs removal of the parameters of interest. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 02:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
:Great, thanks for the info. I can deal with /templatepage — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:15, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Izno|Izno]] there is a slight spacing inconsistency with the new divs, which you can observe on [[Template:WikiProject Japan/sandbox]]. Are you able to line up the text on the left and the [show] links on the right? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:43, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
::Playing around with the left/right padding on the container seems to do it. Adding 2px on the left and another 2px on the right I think got it. Basically what's happening is that tables have a natural border-spacing (not coincidentally it's 2px) which is padding like but applied slightly differently. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 16:53, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Padding is always inside the border. The spacing outside the border is the margin. See [https://www.w3.org/TR/css-box-3/#box-model The CSS Box Model]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] 🌹 ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:27, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
::::Tables are special in that they have the border-spacing property. The point I was making is that in fact there is more to the box model than just padding and margin. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 00:58, 23 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::I don't see any changes to the sandbox and the example is still looking the same? If you can fix the spacing in the sandbox, I suggest we change all of the collapsible boxes in the module to use div boxes, to keep things consistent — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:46, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Izno|Izno]] are you still interested in this? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 20:48, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::I didn't make any adjustments, which is why you do not see any changes.
::::::I didn't change the other collapsible boxes because they're more or less fairly marked up as tables, from memory (and memory may be wrong of course). [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 21:30, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::In that case I can't really see a benefit to converting the table to a div, as it will introduce an inconsistency. I have removed the style parameters from /templatepage, so these will now be treated as unknown parameters — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:53, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
== Tidy up intersecting categories ==
I am looking at tidying up the intersecting quality/importance categories and there seem to be 3 types:
* [[:Category:Draft-Class Ireland articles of Low-importance]] - this is a valid category but should be renamed to [[:Category:Draft-Class Ireland pages of Low-importance]] in line with the move of [[:Category:Draft-Class pages]]. This is under discussion [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 28#Category:Redirect-Class 20th Century Studios articles of Low-importance|here]] - please comment if you can.
* [[:Category:FM-Class Palaeontology articles of NA-importance]] seems entirely redundant because all FM-class pages are rated as NA-class, so it will be an exact copy of [[:Category:FM-Class Palaeontology pages]]. I have nominated for deletion [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 28#Category:Category-Class 20th Century Studios articles of NA-importance|here]] - please comment if you can.
* [[:Category:NA-Class glass articles of Unknown-importance]] is invalid because it will never be used (NA-class will always default to NA-importance not Unknown-importance), so I will tag it for speedy deletion under {{tl|db-c1}}.
— Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:52, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
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