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'''Tawker: '''This is Wikipedia Weekly, episode 7, for the week of November 27th, 2006.

'''Fuzheado: '''Welcome to another episode of wikipediaWikipedia weeklyWeekly. I'm your host, Andrew Lih, also known as [[User:Fuzheado]] on the English Wikipedia. Well, last week we got hooked onto the big panel using Skype, so this week we're going for even more with eight folks from around the world. So from Vancouver, canadaCanada, we have [[user:Tawker]],

'''Tawker: '''Hi there.

'''Fuzheado: '''From the Wikimedia Foundation homeland in floridaFlorida, we've got [[user:Danny|Danny]], aka dannyDanny woolWool.

'''Danny Wool: '''Hi.

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'''Tawker: '''Yeah, I protected it and then I got about five complaints about how we shouldn't protect anything linked from the main page, even if it's a vandalmagnet.

'''Fuzheado: '''Well, we'll talk later about protection and how much protection there should be. But it was interesting, in another thing related to Wikipedia articles making it to the real worlworld.

'''Daveydweeb: '''when the article about Belgrade in Serbia made it to featured article, and supposedly the mayor of Belgrade mentioned this in his press conference, that Wikipedia selected Belgrade as a featured article. It's interesting how Wikipedia articles being selected for something or making a milestones has suddenly become this big thing to boast about in the real world.

'''Tawker: '''Apparently the one thing, I think it was Danny brought up, was that Wikipedia's article on podcasting was actually using in the United States Patent and Trademark office rejection of the word "Podcast" as a trademark.

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===Citizendium===

'''Fuzheado: '''Well, moving to other projects that we've been talking abouabout.

'''Tawker: '''Citizendium. Citizendium has been chugging along, has reached 300 users, and I believe several folks on this podcast are actually in the pilot program.

'''Daveydweeb: '''Yeah, Citizendium - the WIkipediaWikipedia alternative founded by Larry Sanger, with whom we spoke in our podcast special a few weeks ago - is reportedly, in his words, "chugging along". When we spoke with Larry, the website had just reached 80 live articles, ones that had been substantially changed from their Wikipedia counterparts, and 230 usernames, not all of which were active. Since then, Citizendium hhhas lowered the bar for new users and no longer demands that authors provide a link to their CV or resume in order to join. As a result, the site now boasts over 300 active usernames, including a number of our own panelists here at Wikipedia Weekly, and 300 live articles. In just a few weeks, they've grown substantially, and the rate of editing is increasing quite quickly.

I guess one of the reasons - apart from lowering the bar for new user applications - for this increasing growth is that Sanger recently created what he calls "Discipline Workgroups", which Wikipedians may know also as [[WP:PJ|WikiProjects]]. These groups are more formal than their Wikipedia equivalent, they have a really rigid structure common to all Workgroups, and just like the rest of Citizendium members of them are split between authors and editors. And as a result, Citizendium is starting to move in a more structured way towards producing and changing its own unique content.

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===User talk warnings===

'''Fuzheado: '''This is actually a perfect segwaysegue into our next segment, which is these messages that people get on their user pages and everything, or user warnings. They are kind of all over the map, we've got templates for all kinds of things to, "you're doing a great job," "you're doing a horrible job," "you're vandalising this," "you're doing that".. I know that, SushiGeek, you looked into this, right?

1; Yeah, I looked into this and.. so there's a thing going on where they're trying to lower the number of warning templates used when people vandalise or when people do something else.. I think it's a good idea, because you know it's so complex right now, and you've got so many different templates that you have to use and memorise.

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Okay, so for our final note of feedback. As we said last week, we were happy to have some folks pitch in to do some transcription, but this week we had some folks who answered our call for trying to feed our wonderful podcast into speech recognition. I think Daveydweeb has something to say on this..

'''Daveydweeb: '''Yes, indeed. We had an interesting time with voice recognition, trying to get it transcribed. Initially we started out looking for an open source alternative, and we came across some software called [[CMU Sphinx|Sphinx]]... or, as I like to call it, "that annoying software." It seems to still be a development version, it doesn't appear to have released a public version for people to install and use. I spent about two hours trying to get it to install and run and it turned out to completely impossible. we decided sphinx probably wasn't the best solution, considering we couldn't get it to work.

Later, [[User:Jacoplane]], who's actually an administrator at the English Wikipedia, suggested that we use [[NaturallySpeaking|Dragon NatuallySpeakingNaturallySpeaking]] 8, and provided a sample of the episode 6 transcribed by Dragon. The results were... interesting, you might call them. We spent a fair amount of time laughing at those results, in fact. I'm sure all of us have our own interesting little stories about them, don't we?

'''Fuzheado: '''Well, it doesn't.. it's doesn't help that the speech recognition engine doesn't recognise what the word "wiki" or "Wikipedia" is, so obviously it started from a very bad position just off the bat.