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The result was '''delete'''‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. The consensus opinion was that this BLP depends too much on sources that are of questionable reliability, make little mention of the subject, and/or depend too much on his own statements, all factors that limit a source's contribution towards establishing notability. An alternative favoring a very selective merge had much less support. [[User:RL0919|RL0919]] ([[User talk:RL0919|talk]]) 16:10, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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This article was created in an obvious attempt to circumvent the very recent prior consensus at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heartbound (video game)]] and the older consensus at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pirate Software (game developer)]], collectively establishing that Wikipedia should not cover this topic. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 15:01, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People|People]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Video games|Video games]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Washington|Washington]]. [[User:Shellwood|Shellwood]] ([[User talk:Shellwood|talk]]) 15:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)</small>

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*'''Delete and salt''' The article leans heavily on a Mashable article from 2024 that has no consensus for reliability, and a Sports Illustrated article from 2025 that is an unreliable source. The Game Developer source is a primary-sourced interview. Therefore, I think the sourcing is too weak to pass [[WP:NENTERTAINER]], and he hasn't directed sufficient notable games to pass [[WP:NARTIST]]. It's possible he could still become notable in the future, but it should require approval from an admin to recreate such an article. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 15:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

* '''Delete''': Still too early. Most of the article relies on the recent controversy therefore it also does not meet [[WP:SUSTAINED]]. [[User:Vacant0|<span style="color:#5E9A4A;font-weight:bold">Vacant</span><span style="color:#A24B4B;font-weight:bold">0</span>]] <span style="font-size:small">([[User talk:Vacant0|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Vacant0|contribs]])</span> 15:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC) <!--VCB Vacant0-->

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*'''Delete and salt''' per Zx. Not suitable here and NARTIST and NENTERTAINER are obviously not met. I also would hardly call Heartbound a significant enough game to go towards NARTIST. It is not a critically acclaimed or highly notable game - the article was literally deleted for it. By applying the logic that Heartbound contributes towards it, then basically any indie game developer would be able to get an article regardless of how notable their game is (even if it only received the bare minimum reviews to psss GNG). But that isn't how things work. I also would not consider the Streamer Awards to be a significant award. Furthermore, I personally would throw any sort of subject-specific guideline out the window in favor of GNG, because at [[WP:Notability]], it clearly states "{{xt|The subject-specific notability guidelines generally include verifiable criteria about a topic which show that appropriate sourcing likely exists for that topic. Therefore, topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article, though articles which pass an SNG or the GNG may still be deleted or merged into another article, especially if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found, or if the topic is not suitable for an encyclopedia}}". So the subject doesn't pass GNG, does not have strong enough sourcing, isn't a sufficient topic for an encyclopedia... yeah, I'm comfortable with completely throwing any sort of NPERSON SNG out the window here. <span style="border:#000000;border:2px solid #000000;padding:2px">'''λ''' [[User:NegativeMP1|<span style="color:#264e85">'''Negative'''</span>]][[User talk:NegativeMP1|<span style="color:#7d43b5">'''MP1'''</span>]]</span> 16:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

:'''Keep''' The article has enough reliable sources to warrant its existence, which was the reason the previous articles were deleted. Sure, the Heartbound section may get removed, but the entire article? {{rpa|You guys are on crack.}} [[User:Dabmasterars|Dabmasterars]] ([[User talk:Dabmasterars|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Dabmasterars|contribs]]) 17:06, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

::Which of the sources are reliable? [[User:TheDigamma|TheDigamma]] ([[User talk:TheDigamma|talk]]) 17:11, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

:::Which of the sources ''aren't'' reliable? We’ve got Eurogamer, IGN, the Times of India, the Verge, Mashable ... there are some other sites cited which I haven't heard of, but I'm not a huge gamer myself so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt (personally — someone who knows more about what sources in this subject area are reliable could maybe point to any particular problematic ones). The article would probably stand up to fair scrutiny even with only those five, though. [[User:Daphne Preston-Kendal|Daphne Preston-Kendal]] ([[User talk:Daphne Preston-Kendal|talk]]) 17:17, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

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*'''Keep'''. This guy seems to have a long history of notoriety for more than one thing, and the article's sourcing is mostly credible. There's already gaps of information about notable people on Wikipedia, just because they don't meet certain purity tests. [[User:chiffre01|chiffre01]] ([[User talk:chiffre01|talk]]) 14:50, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

*:In what way is this article credible and notable? Others and myself have listed many arguments towards deletion based on Wikipedia Policy. What are your policy based reasons for keeping it? [[User:TheDigamma|TheDigamma]] ([[User talk:TheDigamma|talk]]) 00:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

*::Multiple reliable, independent sources with significant coverage

*::Notable achievements in gaming, streaming, and media

*::Industry recognition and controversy with measurable public impact

*::Multiple articles focused solely on his activities [[User:Chiffre01|Chiffre01]] ([[User talk:Chiffre01|talk]]) 14:49, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

*:::I do agree that all the citation needed stuff should be removed and the Mashable sources as well. [[User:Chiffre01|Chiffre01]] ([[User talk:Chiffre01|talk]]) 12:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

:'''Delete and Salt.''' I agree with the original claim, its an attempt to circumvent the very recent prior consensus on the heartbount page. Sources here are not reliable either, not any concensus at all on what should be here too and the current article is already bias. [[User:Liamedits1000|Liamedits1000]] ([[User talk:Liamedits1000|talk]]) 22:38, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

*'''Keep'''. Although incomplete, nothing in this article is untrue or lacks citation/credibility. The attempt to delete this is clearly a whitewashing attempt by fans and shills. To be blunt this could be far worse than it is as there are plenty of first hand character references that damage his reputation far more than the SGK and Warcraft incidents. [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:3A7B:A7A0:C1ED:9DAF:8C3E:F195|2604:3D09:3A7B:A7A0:C1ED:9DAF:8C3E:F195]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:3A7B:A7A0:C1ED:9DAF:8C3E:F195|talk]]) 22:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

*:Please [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. [[User:TheAlienAdventures|TheAlienAdventures]] ([[User talk:TheAlienAdventures|talk]]) 23:16, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

*:Assume good faith and a core reason stated and why this is up for deletion is that it circumvents deletions of his game devloper page and heartbound the game. [[Special:Contributions/80.0.132.246|80.0.132.246]] ([[User talk:80.0.132.246|talk]]) 01:11, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

*'''Merge''' to SKD any details missing that may provide valuable, verified context (otherwise redirect). Any notability he has is in connection with SKG, which can be adequately summed up there. - [[User:Cukie Gherkin|Cukie Gherkin]] ([[User talk:Cukie Gherkin|talk]]) 10:49, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

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