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:I guess wait till over. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 05:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
::We'll have t distribute the load: we already have a few hundred votes.--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[User talk:HereToHelp|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/HereToHelp|contribs]]) 11:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
== Searching page still needs work ==▼
I'm still very concerned about the inclusion of the "[[Wikipedia:Searching|Searching]]" link in the header. The page is quite out of date in parts ([[Wikipedia:Searching#Delay_in_updating_the_search_index|delay]]), and there are unaddressed issues on its talk page (which has more than 50% posts from 2003, proving it's a low traffic metapage), and i'm fairly sure the opera instructions near the bottom are missing key info. And of course it still doesnt look anywhere NEAR the standard of the pages it's linked next to aesthetically (questions, help, etc). It needs a good going over by a bunch of people. (i dont know which cleanup-template to put at the top, otherwise i wouldve done that.).<br>▼
OR we need an alternative link to replace the Searching link completely. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 01:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)▼
:I'll work on it, and recommend structuring it like the [[:de:Hilfe:Suche|German search]] page, but with the search box at the top that's been added to [[Wikipedia:Searching]]. I've begun working on a [[:Template:HelpTOC]] to use here (and on other help pages), but just beginning to organize what links to include. -[[User:Kmf164|Kmf164]] (<small>[[User_talk:Kmf164|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kmf164|contribs]]</small>) 01:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)▼
::[[Special:Search]].--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[User talk:HereToHelp|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/HereToHelp|contribs]]) 02:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)▼
:::If we refer readers to [[Special:Search]], they might believe that this is a required entry point (instead of realizing that there's a search box on every page). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 02:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)▼
::::True. I haven't realy liked the idea of highlighting the left search box, but using the orange already in the skin and only for the Main page seems the best way to do it. On the other hand, newbies may think there's something special about that search box over the others.--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[User talk:HereToHelp|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/HereToHelp|contribs]]) 02:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)▼
:::::If it is technically possible to have the left search box highlighted on JUST the main page (which noone has confirmed), then it would be possible to also highlight it (the left search box) on the "Searching" page. I see no benefit in adding a second search box on the "Searching" page, for the same reason David pointed out for Special:Search, and as detailed against the second search box during the the main page draft. ▼
:::::The German page does look informative and concisely laid-out, good plan, but i am against that second search box (which was just added on feb 27). --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 05:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)▼
== Why no notice on the main page? ==
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:Notice of the election is/has been on:
:* [[WP:
:* [[Wikipedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]]
:* [[Talk:Main Page]]
:* Mentioned on the [[WP:AN|Administrators' noticeboard]]
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:* [http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l WikiEN-l]
:Any other places?--[[User:
::The election is also mentioned on my [[User talk:Kmf164|user and talk pages]], and I noticed it on [[User:HereToHelp]]. --[[User:
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What exactly is going to determine the outcome of this vote? Is there a certain percentage that have to be in support for the main page to be changed? Do conditional supports count as opposition or neutral if conditions are not met? [[User:Bigbluefish|BigBlueFish]] 15:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:see [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability/Main Page/Final archive#What qualifies as consensus?|what qualifies as consensus?]]{{Broken anchor|date=2024-04-21|bot=User:Cewbot/log/20201008/configuration|target_link=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page#
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==IS A NEW PAGE REALLY NECESSARY???==
Wikipedia changes it's design far more often than any other major site. The 'old' page hasn't even been around very long (less than a year, I think). What is the point of changing something that seems to be working fine, unless you're 're-branding' for the eventual sell-out to the man...
== Further suggestions ==
Could we fractionally increase the white space just above the '''Wikipedia's sister projects''' heading? The gap above it is noticeably smaller than the surrounding gaps above and below. (I can take a screenshot if what I mean isn't clear.) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 09:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:Specifically: Could an admin please test this: The '''Wikipedia's sister projects''' section is followed by a: <pre><br clear="all"></pre> Could we either remove this, or add another <pre><br clear="all"></pre> above the section. I think this will create a more uniform headings layout in the 3 bottom sections. Thanks. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 06:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
==[[Template:Announcements/Community bulletin board]]==
[[User:Go for it!|Go for it!]] and I disagree as to how the wording of the election announcement should read. (See the template's revision history and <span class="plainlinks">[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Go_for_it%21&oldid=43139602#Template:Announcements.2FCommunity_bulletin_board my posting to his talk page]</span>, for an explanation of why.)
I've hit three reverts for the day, and I don't intend to violate the three-revert rule. If, however, anyone agrees with me, feel free to revert to my version. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 14:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:I've changed it to David Levy's version for 3 reasons. It's concise, it's less divisive, and the fact that the draft is '''still''' changing means that it is still more a discussion than a "vote" here. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 06:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
==This is it?==
All this discussion, all the prominence and media, and all for a few minor aesthetic changes? And after coming to this agreement, it was deemed a large enough change from the current main page to warrant all the further prominence/media/voting? I was expecting some interesting new changes that actually improve ''usability'', not just ''visibility''; or if such improvements could not be agreed upon or brought to fruition, then just continue discussion or go back to the drawing board. — <small><sub>[[User_talk:Brian0918|<span style="color:#444444;">0918</span>]]</sub><sup><span style="position: relative; left:-24px; margin-right:-24px;">[[User:Brian0918|<b><span style="color:#222222;">BRIAN</span></b>]]</span></sup> • 2006-03-10 16:38</small>
== Nicer apostrophes, please :) ==
Both instances of "Today's" should be "Today’s". This may seem pedantic, but when it's in boldface in a headline, the straight-up apostrophes really stand out as wrong... [[User:Porge|porges]] 23:43, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
▲== Searching page still needs work ==
▲I'm still very concerned about the inclusion of the "[[Wikipedia:Searching|Searching]]" link in the header. The page is quite out of date in parts ([[Wikipedia:Searching#Delay_in_updating_the_search_index|delay]]), and there are unaddressed issues on its talk page (which has more than 50% posts from 2003, proving it's a low traffic metapage), and i'm fairly sure the opera instructions near the bottom are missing key info. And of course it still doesnt look anywhere NEAR the standard of the pages it's linked next to aesthetically (questions, help, etc). It needs a good going over by a bunch of people. (i dont know which cleanup-template to put at the top, otherwise i wouldve done that.).<br>
▲OR we need an alternative link to replace the Searching link completely. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 01:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
▲:I'll work on it, and recommend structuring it like the [[:de:Hilfe:Suche|German search]] page, but with the search box at the top that's been added to [[Wikipedia:Searching]]. I've begun working on a [[:Template:HelpTOC]] to use here (and on other help pages), but just beginning to organize what links to include. --[[User:
▲::[[Special:Search]].--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[User talk:HereToHelp|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/HereToHelp|contribs]]) 02:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
▲:::If we refer readers to [[Special:Search]], they might believe that this is a required entry point (instead of realizing that there's a search box on every page). —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 02:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
▲::::True. I haven't realy liked the idea of highlighting the left search box, but using the orange already in the skin and only for the Main page seems the best way to do it. On the other hand, newbies may think there's something special about that search box over the others.--[[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] ([[User talk:HereToHelp|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/HereToHelp|contribs]]) 02:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
▲:::::If it is technically possible to have the left search box highlighted on JUST the main page (which noone has confirmed), then it would be possible to also highlight it (the left search box) on the "Searching" page. I see no benefit in adding a second search box on the "Searching" page, for the same reason David pointed out for Special:Search, and as detailed against the second search box during the the main page draft.
▲:::::The German page does look informative and concisely laid-out, good plan, but i am against that second search box (which was just added on feb 27). --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 05:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
These 2 links will be '''newly appearing''' in the header of the Main Page.
* [[Wikipedia:Searching]]
* [[Wikipedia:Tutorial]]
Add them to your watchlists please, and help improve them before (assuming) we launch the redesign. Thank you. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 01:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
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