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*VS is a trustworthy candidate, and I tend to trust Australians. :-) [[User:AdjustShift|AdjustShift]] ([[User talk:AdjustShift|talk]]) 09:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

**May I disabuse you now of your trust in anyone on the basis of their nationality? Please take it up on my talk page if you want more information. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 11:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

***Excellent user, not apolitical power-grabber, not a PR stuntman who only goes to high-profile places where the adulatory crowds are '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<fontspan colorstyle="color:GoldenRod;">YellowMonkey</fontspan>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Straw_poll_for_selecting_photos_of_cyclists_at_the_2009_Tour_Down_Under|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FA8605;">click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!</fontspan>]]'') 02:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

****Tony1, I was joking; I don't judge people on the basis of their nationality, I judge people on the basis of merit. In VirtualSteve's case, he seems to have internationalist views. I believe that he is a right man for CUship because he seems to have no bias towards people of any country. [[User:AdjustShift|AdjustShift]] ([[User talk:AdjustShift|talk]]) 07:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

*****Pleased to hear it, Adjust: I'm taking myself too seriously, it seems. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 07:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

*''Questions from [[User:Are you ready for IPv6?|Are you ready for IPv6?]] ([[User talk:Are you ready for IPv6?|talk]]) 02:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)'': (1) I have noticed that the checkuser position generally has a very low percentage of female-born people on it. Oversight and bureaucrat historically have been higher than checkuser, although right now I can't spot any female-born people on oversight either. Of course I obviously can't tell the gender of everyone on the list as if they don't hint it in their usernames, userpages, or are internet famous, then I don't know. However most of them are obviously men and it's been like that since Wikipedia began. Do you think there should be a higher percentage of female-born people on checkuser or do you think it's merely representative of high percentage of males on wikipedia as a whole? (2) As a checkuser, what will you do in cases where someone is internet famous and they're impersonated. For instance, internet personality "Chris-chan" is very internet famous and there's always people impersonating him. On Wikipedia this happened a few months back where someone impersonated his wikipedia account to do bad edits, then the impersonator account was checkusered, and they found more bad users on the related IP and then they declared Chris-chan's account as a sockpuppet even though they were on unrelated ranges and only linked by activity because someone impersonated him. Then there was no investigation done to determine if the impersonator account was him or not. Chris-chan in particular has a lot of people impersonating him--such as this one guy with a beard on youtube--and so it's a good example of an internet celebrity that gets impersonated a lot. What will you do as checkuser to make sure people impersonating internet famous people don't get mixed up with the real people? (3) Do you think the new checkuser nomination of public voting is better than the old system or not, and why?

:An interesting set of 3 later multi-questions IPv6. I have provided brief(ish) answers, numbered in the order you provided them as follows:

#I honestly don't know the percentage of women versus men across the range of editor accounts on Wikipedia but I do know that the process of being nominated for election requires an expression of interest through ArbCom. I'd welcome more women (and indeed more of any wiki-minority group) to any position such as administrator, checkuser, oversight etc because '''I have a view that diversity creates and supports strength'''. From that perspective we may in fact just need more women to understand that they can nominate for these types of positions and then allow the community to consider their nomination - not on the basis of their social; gender; ethnic etc classification but on whether the meet the trust/skills/behaviour requirements for the position being sought.

#'''If''' I am supported for the position of checkuser I will generally deal with all requests firstly by determining if the requests meets the pemission requirements ''to examine user IP information and other server log data under certain circumstances, for the purposes of protecting Wikipedia against actual and potential disruption and abuse''. In other words whether the request relates to a "famous" person or not the first question is whether named and IP accounts are disrupting and abusing wikipedia - if yes then the tool provides assistance in determining if two or more editors are editing from the same computer or IP range etc. Of course it is possible to make a mistake in linking two editors but there are plenty of actions available to review each and every action by a checkuser and the subsequent actions taken by fellow administrators.

#I don't have a particular view either way as to how checkusers should be chosen. I've always been a team player and so the current process, which has been discussed and agreed to is the relevant current process at this time. Like many other processes that seek support and oppose comments from the community the current process has its benefits and problems '''but I respect the right of editors to post their !vote''' - and whilst personally I sometimes see votes in one or the other column that on face value appear perplexing - I work overall from the perspective that my fellow nominees and I can only put our hand up and offer to support the community. I've done that and as I deal with checkuser type functions daily in the two real-life web-sites that I monitor - to my mind now the major question should be ''is VirtualSteve trusted enough by the community to be given this tool?'' I think I am but heck the world is full of people with different views and that's fine with me, and if this is the process chosen to determine those views then that's fine with me too. Thanks again.

:--[[User:VirtualSteve|<strong>VirtualSteve</strong>]] ^{[[User_talk:VirtualSteve|need admin support?]]} 03:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

==== Votes in support of VirtualSteve ====

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#--[[User:Aqwis|Aqwis]] ([[User talk:Aqwis|talk]]) 00:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] ^{[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]} 04:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Javert|<font style="color:#00C000">'''Ja<font style="color:#80C000">v<fontspan style="color:#C08000;">er</fontspan></font><fontspan style="color:#C00000;">t</fontspan></font>]][[user talk:Javert|<font style="color:#2820F0">^{I knit sweaters, yo!}</font>]] 05:00, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# - [[User:Kevin|Kevin]] ([[User talk:Kevin|talk]]) 06:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User talk:Sarah|Sarah]] 06:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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# [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 09:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#:--[[User:Fox1942|Fox1942]] ([[User talk:Fox1942|talk]]) 11:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC) <small>(Vote indented as user is ineligible to vote in this election - '''[[User:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #AC0000">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="font-variant:small-caps; color: #35628F">Why</span>]]''' 11:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC))</small>

# '''''<font style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Little Mountain 5|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">Little</fontspan>]][[User talk:Little Mountain 5|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">Mountain</fontspan>]][[Special:Contributions/Little Mountain 5|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">5</fontspan>]]</font>''''' 15:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# –'''[[User:Juliancolton|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:#36648B">Juliancolton</span>]]'''&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[User_talk:Juliancolton|^{<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:gray">''Talk''</span>}]] 16:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# — [[User:Athaenara|Athaenara]] [[User talk:Athaenara| ✉ ]] 17:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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#[[User:Daniel|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Daniel|talk]]) 00:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:BrianY|BrianY]] ([[User talk:BrianY|talk]]) 04:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Enigmaman|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Enigma</fontspan>''']]^{[[User talk:Enigmaman|''<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FFA500;">msg</fontspan>'']]} 06:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 12:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 12:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

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# [[User:Camaron|Camaron<span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> Christopher]]<small><span style="font-weight:bold;">&nbsp;·</span> [[User talk:Camaron|talk]]</small> 13:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

#--[[User:Dthomsen8|DThomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 16:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Georgia</fontspan>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Scarian|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black"; face="font-family:'tahoma';">Scarian</fontspan>]][[User_talk:Scarian|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">^{Call me Pat!}</fontspan>]] 21:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 00:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

# ([[User:The Earwig/CUOS#VirtualSteve|reasoning]]) [[User:The Earwig|<span style="color:#008800">The</span> <span style="color:#004400">Earwig</span>]] <span style="font-family:Verdana"><small>([[User_talk:The Earwig|Talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/The Earwig|Contribs]])</small></span> 02:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 09:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

# '''[[User:Aaroncrick|<span style="font-family: Tempus Sans ITC;color: #E49B0F">Aaroncrick</span>]]''' (''[[User_talk:Aaroncrick|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#FE2712;">talk</fontspan>]]'') 10:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Phoe/August_2009_CheckUser_and_Oversight_elections#User:VirtualSteve|Aye]] [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">~~ Phoe</span>]] [[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen;"> _talk ~~ </span>]] 12:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

#See [[User:Dylan620/CUOS Votes#VirtualSteve|here]]. --'''[[User:Dylan620|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Dylan</fontspan>]][[User talk:Dylan620|<fontspan colorstyle="color:purple;">620</fontspan>]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|contribs]], [[Special:Log/Dylan620|logs]]) 22:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 08:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Ysangkok|Ysangkok]] ([[User talk:Ysangkok|talk]]) 10:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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#++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 07:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Icewedge|Icewedge]] ([[User talk:Icewedge|talk]]) 17:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

#<strong style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:WJBscribe|WJBscribe]] [[User talk:WJBscribe|(talk)]]</strong> 21:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 08:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Axl|<span style="color:#808000;">'''Axl'''</span>]] <font color="#3CB371">¤</font> <small>[[User talk:Axl|<font color="#808000">[Talk]</font>]]</small> 14:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Calwatch|Calwatch]] ([[User talk:Calwatch|talk]]) 20:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

# \ [[User:Backslash Forwardslash|Backslash Forwardslash]] / {[[User Talk: Backslash Forwardslash|talk]]} 06:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

#''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 10:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

#'''[[User:MajorlyTiptoety|<span style="font-familycolor:verdana#4E562C; font-sizeweight:10pt; color:#6B8AB8bold">MajorlyTiptoety</span>]]''' ^{[[User talk:Majorly#tTiptoety|<span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:8pt; color:#6B8AB8FFDB58">talk</span>]]} 0005:1518, 284 JulyAugust 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Saravask|Saravask]] ([[User talk:Saravask|talk]]) 09:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Master&amp;Expert|'''<span style="color:Blue">Master&amp;</span>'''<span style="color:#00FFFF">Expert</span>]] ([[User talk:Master&amp;Expert|<span style="color:purple">Talk</span>]]) 09:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Ncmvocalist|Ncmvocalist]] ([[User talk:Ncmvocalist|talk]]) 04:46, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Snigbrook|snigbrook]] ([[User talk:Snigbrook|talk]]) 21:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

#--<b>[[User:Like I Care|<span style="color:##003399; font-family:'Benguiat Bk BT';">L</span>]] [[User talk:Like I Care|<FONT FACE="Benguiat Bk BT" Color=" #254117">I C</FONT>]]</b> 23:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User talk:Hesperian|Hesperian]] 02:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

# Moral support. &mdash;[[User:TerrenceandPhillip|Terrence]] [[Special:Contributions/TerrenceandPhillip|and]] [[User talk:TerrenceandPhillip|Phillip]] 12:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

# '''- A'''LLST'''✰'''R<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>'''^{[[User talk:Allstarecho|echo]]}''' _{'''[[Special:Contributions/Allstarecho|wuz here]] '''} 23:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:156.34.142.110|The Real Libs]]-[[User talk:Wiki libs|speak politely]] 00:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

# &ndash;[[User talk:Moondyne|Moondyne]] 05:27, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 06:22, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

#''[[User:AlioTheFool|Alio]]'' [[User talk:AlioTheFool|The]] '''[[Special:Contributions/AlioTheFool|Fool]]''' 14:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] ^{([[User talk:Lankiveil|speak to me]])} 10:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC).

#-- '''[[User:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Phantom</span><span style="color:#55CAFA;">Steve</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#307D7E;">Contact Me</span>]], [[Special:Contributions/Phantomsteve|<span style="color:#5599FA;">My Contribs</span>]]) 15:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

#'''Support'''. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]]^{[[Help:Installing Japanese character sets|?]]} · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:10, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User talk:Jennavecia|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting Italic;color:deeppink">Lara</span>]] 17:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User talk:Whitehorse1|Whitehorse1]] 20:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

#'''Support''' --'''''[[User:Stanistani|<span style="color:green;">Stani</span>]][[User talk:Stanistani|<span style="color:blue;">Stani</span>&nbsp;]]''''' 22:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

==== Votes in opposition to VirtualSteve ====

# <!-- do not make comments after your votes -->

#[[User:JamieS93|<fontspan style="color:#4682b4;">'''Jamie'''</fontspan>]]'''[[User talk:JamieS93|<fontspan style="color:#50C878;">S93</fontspan>]]''' 00:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#'''[[User:IMatthew|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#000080">iMatthew</span>]]&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#007BA7">[[User_talk:IMatthew|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#007BA7">^talk</span>]]</span>''' at 00:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#'''[[User:Majorly|<span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:10pt; color:#6B8AB8">Majorly</span>]]''' [[User talk:Majorly#t|<span style="font-family:verdana; font-size:8pt; color:#6B8AB8">talk</span>]] 00:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#'''Oppose'''--[[User talk:Caspian blue|'''Caspian''' blue]] 00:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 00:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Prodego|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">''Prodego''</fontspan>]] ^{[[User talk:Prodego|<fontspan colorstyle="color:darkgreen;">talk</fontspan>]]} 00:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Vicenarian|<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue"; face="font-family:'georgia';">[[User:Vicenarian|Vicenarian]]</fontspan>]] <font face="Georgia">^{([[User talk:Vicenarian|T]] · [[Special:Contributions/Vicenarian|C]])}</font> 00:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#<small>([[User:X!|<span style="color:gray">X!</span>]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:X!|<span style="color:gray">talk</span>]]) &nbsp;·&nbsp;[[Swatch Internet Time|@061]] &nbsp;·&nbsp;</small> 00:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#<font face="Arial"> [[User:PeterSymonds|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#02e;">Peter</fontspan><fontspan colorstyle="color:#02b;"><b>Symonds</b></fontspan>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:PeterSymonds|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#02e;">talk</fontspan>]])</font> 00:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#:[[User talk:Triplestop|'''<fontspan colorstyle="color:blue;">Triplestop</span>''']] [[Special:Contributions/Triplestop|<span style="color:blue;"><small>x3</small>]]</fontspan>]] 01:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<small> Sorry, not eligible , does not have 150 article edits before June 15. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 01:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)</small>

# <span style='font-family:monospace,tahoma;font-size:90%;'>~ [[User:Ameliorate!|<span style='color:green;'>Ameliorate</span>]][[User talk:Ameliorate!|!]]</span> 01:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# — '''''[[User:Explicit|<font color="800000">Σ</font>]]'''''<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:Explicit|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#8D0000;">xplicit</fontspan>]]</span> 05:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 06:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font >]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk)</font >]] 11:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# --[[User:Herbythyme|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;">Herby</fontspan>]] <b>^{<small><span style="color:#90F">[[User talk:Herbythyme|talk thyme]]</span></small>}</b> 14:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User talk:MuZemike|MuZemike]] 16:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#: -- [[User:Polynomial123|科学高爾夫迷]]([[User talk:Polynomial123|讨论]]|[[Special:Contributions/Polynomial123|投稿]]) 17:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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# <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Gavia immer|Gavia immer]] ([[User talk:Gavia immer|talk]])</span> 18:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# <span style="font-family: Trebuchet MS">'''[[User:Fastily|<big>F</big><small>ASTILY</small>]]'''</span> ^{<span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS">[[User talk:Fastily|(T<small>ALK</small>)]]</span>} 19:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Shappy|<fontspan colorstyle="color:red;">'''''Shappy'''''</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Shappy|<fontspan colorstyle="color:black;">^{'''''talk'''''}</fontspan>]] 22:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

# Regretfully, [[User:Pmlinediter|<span style="font-family:Arial;color:blue">Pmlin</span>]][[User_talk:Pmlinediter|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#800000">editor</span>]] 15:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC).

#'''[[User:NuclearWarfare|<font color="navy">'''[[User:NuclearWarfare|NW]]</font>]]''' ''(<font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|<span style="color:green;">Talk]]</fontspan>]])'' 16:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 17:50, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Alexfusco5|<b><fontspan colorstyle="color:Blue;">'''Alex'''</fontspan></b>]][[User talk:Alexfusco5|<b><fontspan colorstyle="color:Red;">'''fusco'''</fontspan></b>]][[Special:Contributions/Alexfusco5|<b><fontspan colorstyle="color:Green;">^'''5'''</fontspan></b>]] 19:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Res2216firestar|Res]][[User Talk: Res2216firestar|2216]][[Special:Contributions/Res2216firestar|firestar]] 00:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:Star Garnet|Star Garnet]] ([[User talk:Star Garnet|talk]]) 10:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:OhanaUnited|<b><span style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</span></b>]][[User talk:OhanaUnited|<b><span style="color:green;">^{Talk page}</span></b>]] 19:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

#--[[User talk:Giants27|<font face="Bauhaus 93" color="black" size="3">Giants27</font>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Giants27|<span style="color:black;">c</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User:Giants27/guestbook|<span style="color:black;">s</span>]]) 19:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

#'''[[User:Sceptre|Sceptre]]''' ^{([[User talk:Sceptre|talk]])} 14:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Perfect Proposal|<span style="color:Orange;">'''Perfect'''</span>]][[User talk:Perfect Proposal|<span style="color:Blue;">'''''Proposal'''''</span>]] 02:18, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Jahiegel|Joe]] ([[User talk:Jahiegel|talk]]) 02:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:Cynical|Cynical]] ([[User talk:Cynical|talk]]) 15:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

#[[User:R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)|R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)]] ([[User talk:R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine)|talk]]) 14:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

# <font style="font-family: Hoefler Text">[[User:Steven Walling|Steven Walling]] [[User talk:Steven Walling|(talk)]]</font> 03:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

# [[User:2help|2help]] ([[User talk:2help#top|message me]]) 04:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

# --[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 23:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)