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Line 1: {{talk header}} ~~==This doesn't work properly in Template:Sfn==~~ {{permanently protected}} Please see [[Template talk:Sfn#Lua version is broken]]. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 22:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC) {{User:MiszaBot/config \| archive = Module talk:Footnotes/Archive %(counter)d \| algo = old(180d) \| counter = 3 \| maxarchivesize = 200k \| minthreadsleft = 8 \| minthreadstoarchive = 2 }} == Push to clear the last few ones. == ~~== Broken parameter ==~~ See [[Wikipedia:Bot requests#Help clear Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors]]. Please see [[Template talk:Harvard citation no brackets#Broken parameter]]. Similar templates are probably similarly broken. [[User:Wtmitchell\|Wtmitchell]] [[User talk:Wtmitchell\|(talk)]] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 07:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC) <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb\|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb\|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb\|c]] · [[WP:PHYS\|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS\|b]]}</span> 22:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC) ~~:This should be fixed. [[User:Dragons flight\|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight\|talk]]) 10:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)~~ == ~~More~~"n.d.a" ~~than~~vs. ~~six~~"n.d. ~~parameters~~a" == It would help if the code was more compatible with CS1. At the moment it does not handle more than four authors elegantly. See [[Module talk:Citation/CS1#CITEREF and harvnb and CITEREF and CS1]]. -- [[User:PBS\|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS\|talk]]) 13:09, 21 December 2013 (UTC) At [[Capri-Sun]], I have two references that I'd written as <code><nowiki>{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d. a}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d. b}}</nowiki></code>. I could've sworn they worked as intended when they were added, but maybe I just overlooked this before, because I don't spot anything relevant in the history. Either way, as it stands, these render as "[[Capri-Sun#CITEREFCapri Sun Groupn.d. a\|Capri Sun Group & n.d. a]]" and ""[[Capri-Sun#CITEREFCapri Sun Groupn.d. b\|Capri Sun Group & n.d. b]]", which appears to be because [[Module:Footnotes#L-131\|L131]] is expecting no space before the disambiguating letter. But I don't think most people would write "n.d.a", which looks like the ''a'' is part of an acronym. "n.d. a" is much clearer. I would suggest that both should be allowed, as should "nd a" in contrast to "nda". I believe all we'd have to do is add a <code> ?</code> before the <code>%l</code> on lines 65, 66, 131, and 132. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- [[User:Tamzin\|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup class="nowrap">[[[User talk:Tamzin\|<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>]]]</sup> <small>([[User:Tamzin/🤷\|they\|xe\|🤷]])</small> 03:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC) ~~== Markup ==~~ :Those references appear to be working as expected and I'm seeing them displayed with a space between n.d. and the disambiguation. What error message are you seeing? It may have to do with the script you're using -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested\|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested\|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested\|∆t]]°''</small> 11:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC) The Lua CS1 templates strip markup, such as bold or italics, where this module does not. Thus if markup is used in {{tl\|sfn}} or variant, then the link and anchor will not match. --<span style="color:Turquoise">'''''  [[User:Gadget850\|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850\| ''talk'']]</sup></span> 11:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC) ::@[[User:ActivelyDisinterested\|ActivelyDisinterested]]: The issue isn't the space falling to render; it's the ampersand showing up because the module reads "n.d. a" as a name rather than a date <span style="font-family:courier"> -- [[User:Tamzin\|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup class="nowrap">[[[User talk:Tamzin\|<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>]]]</sup> <small>([[User:Tamzin/🤷\|they\|xe\|🤷]])</small> 14:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC) :::{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d.a}} :::{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d.b}} :::{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|1997a}} :::Without spaces ↑ :::{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d. a}} :::{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d. b}} :::{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|1997 a}} :::With spaces ↑ [[User:Rjjiii\|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii\|talk]]) 14:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC) ::::Yes, a space makes the module read it as a name rather than a date, and this put an ampersand before it. What I'm saying is that, while that's reasonable for years like 1997a, for n.d. in particular a space should be understood as part of the date. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- [[User:Tamzin\|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup class="nowrap">[[[User talk:Tamzin\|<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>]]]</sup> <small>([[User:Tamzin/🤷\|they\|xe\|🤷]])</small> 15:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC) :::::Sorry misconstrued the issue. -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested\|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested\|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested\|∆t]]°''</small> 15:10, 7 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I think the pre-module version of the harv/sfn templates always treated the final parameter as the year, [[User:Rjjiii\|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii\|talk]]) 20:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Tamzin\|Tamzin]] & [[User:ActivelyDisinterested\|ActivelyDisinterested]]: ::::::[https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2011/10/reference-twins.html APA uses n.d.-x]. It seems like [https://files.taylorandfrancis.com/tf_chicagoad.pdf Chicago] and [https://libguides.jcu.edu.au/HarvardAGSM/dates Harvard] referencing do as well. I've added the pattern for that to the sandbox module: ::::::;Live ::::::{{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d.-a}} ::::::;Sandbox ::::::{{Harvard citation no brackets/sandbox\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d.-a}} ::::::But you'd also need to add support in [[Module:Citation/CS1]]. Right now it gives an error if you suffix anything to n.d. separated by a hyphen or space (only {{harvnb\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d.a}} works): ::::::* {{citation\|author=Capri Sun Group \|date=n.d. \|title=Frequently Asked Questions \|work=Capri-Sun.com \|mode=cs1}} ::::::* {{citation\|author=Capri Sun Group \|date=n.d.a \|title=Frequently Asked Questions \|work=Capri-Sun.com \|mode=cs1}} ::::::* {{citation\|author=Capri Sun Group \|date=n.d. a \|title=Frequently Asked Questions \|work=Capri-Sun.com \|mode=cs1}} ::::::* {{citation\|author=Capri Sun Group \|date=n.d.-a \|title=Frequently Asked Questions \|work=Capri-Sun.com \|mode=cs1 \|ref={{sfnref\|Capri Sun Group\|n.d.-a}}}} ::::::Also some stats while thinking about changes: ::::::* 5,041,630 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web] ::::::* 15,112 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web+insource%3A%22date%3Dn.d.%22&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web using n.d.] ::::::* 45 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web+insource%3A%22date%3Dn.d.a%22&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web and n.d.a] (without spaces) ::::::* 55% of cite web invocations [https://bambots.brucemyers.com/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=Cite+web have no date parameter] (not an issue without author-date short citations) ::::::I'd support adding support to both modules for "n.d.-" if that's the norm in published citation styles. [[User:Rjjiii\|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii\|talk]]) 11:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC) :::::::Continued at: [[Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#"n.d.a",_"n.d._a",_or_"n.d.-a"]] [[User:Rjjiii\|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii\|talk]]) 03:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::So far, no response at all over there. Idk if it's a good idea to add support for a type of date in only one of the modules. [[User:Rjjiii\|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjj<sup>iii</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii\|talk]]) 04:36, 21 April 2025 (UTC) == Re [[:Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors]] == ~~== Protected edit request on 27 June 2014 ==~~ I've been trying to whack down the amount of articles in this Category and have come across a List that I can't find any Harv errors or Harv warnings in, and yet here is [[List of fictional diseases]] listed amongst the error'fied articles. Can anyone tell me why? Thanks - [[User:Shearonink\|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink\|talk]]) 03:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ~~{{edit protected\|Module:Footnotes\|answered=yes}}~~ ~~<!-- Begin request -->~~ :It's a false positive, because {{tl\|Cite MW}} is a template that wraps {{tl\|cite web}}, and this module didn't know about it yet. I'll fix. Please feel free to report any such mysterious false positives here. Thanks for cleaning all of this up! — [[User:Hike395\|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395\|talk]]) 07:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC) [[Module:Citation/CS1]] runs <code>mw.uri.anchorEncode()</code> on <code>options.id</code> before generating the <code><span id="</code>... line. For compatibility between generated <code>id</code> in that module and the <code>#CITEREF</code> generated here, I think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ASandbox%2F%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%2FSandbox&diff=614605646&oldid=614604084 this change] needs to be applied on this module. :The Trappist script doesn’t flag false positives but the css modification (as described on the error page) does. :[[User:Andy02124\|Andy02124]] ([[User talk:Andy02124\|talk]]) 12:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ::Thanks you guys for looking into it. Btw the Category has now inched up to 85.'''1'''% fixed/empty. Seems like it had been at a straight 85% for forever... - [[User:Shearonink\|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink\|talk]]) 15:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC) == Two additions == ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7/test1&oldid=614606123 Here] is an example footnote which is not linked to it's citation and I think it's because of the above mentioned problem.) ~~<!-- End request -->~~ ~~<span style="border:solid 2px #1E90FF;border-radius:3px">[[user:دالبا\|Dalba]]</span> 07:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)~~ :[[File:Yes check.svg\|20px\|link=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> Thanks for the fix! — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius\|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius\|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 12:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC) I use these templates pretty often and have had [[Talk:European rabbit#broken footnotes\|several issues]] that have led me here. Can the following be added to the whitelist: [[Template:Lagomorphs2018]], [[Template:HMW2016 Volume 6]] ~~== Template:sfnp ==~~ ['CITEREFSmithJohnstonAlvesHackländer2018'] = {'Lagomorphs2018'} ['CITEREFWilsonLacherMittermeier2016'] = {'HMW2016 Volume 6'} -- [[User:Reconrabbit\|<span style="color:#4E8321">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit\|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#073131">rabbit</span>]] 17:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC) {{tl\|sfnp}} could usefully be implemented within this module as well as {{tl\|sfn}}. As far as I can see, <code>function f.sfnp( frame )</code> would simply duplicate <code>function f.sfn( frame )</code> with the addition of: ~~:<code>args.bracket_year_left = "(";</code>~~ ~~:<code>args.bracket_year_right = ")";</code>~~ An oddity at present is that {{para\|postscript\|none}} works for {{tl\|sfn}} but not for {{tl\|sfnp}}. [[User:Peter coxhead\|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead\|talk]]) 20:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC) :[[File:Lionhead rabbit Dobby.jpg\|frameless\|x50px\|alt=Rabbit indicating done]] — [[User:Hike395\|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395\|talk]]) 03:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC) ~~:It does in a sort of round-about way:~~ ::Thank you! I'll be back in a long while once I'm done with the lagomorphs, since by that point I'll be using Volume 7 for the rodents. -- [[User:Reconrabbit\|<span style="color:#4E8321">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit\|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#073131">rabbit</span>]] 12:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC) ~~::{{tlx\|sfnp}} calls {{tlx\|Harvard citation/core}} calls [[Module:Footnotes]] function harvard_core().~~ == Template:Efloras and Template:BONAP == :Is {{para\|postscript\|none}} necessary for {{tld\|sfnp}}? The code seems to indicate that {{tlx\|sfn}} uses '.' for a default of postscript character. If {{para\|postscript}} is empty or omitted, then {{tld\|sfnp}} uses an empty string as the default postscript. The [[:Template:Efloras\|first template]] is sort of whitelisted, but it isn't working correctly. There are 4 lines dedicated to it in the whitelist variable, but this template handles citations to a number of floras published on efloras.org. The most-cited are ''Flora of North America'' and ''Flora of China'', published in many volumes with different authors and dates for each. It seems like it needs an entry in wrapper_templates to get it working properly. The [[:Template:BONAP\|second template]] is simpler; it should always produce 'CITEREFKartesz2014'. (In theory the year could change in the future but it should be stable in practice.) [[User:Choess\|Choess]] ([[User talk:Choess\|talk]]) 20:14, 12 July 2025 (UTC) ~~:—[[User:Trappist the monk\|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk\|talk]]) 20:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)~~ :And as long as I'm requesting whitelisting of botany wrapper templates, [[:Template:Jepson eFlora]] can also take many different authors and will probably need to be handled in wrapper_templates. [[User:Choess\|Choess]] ([[User talk:Choess\|talk]]) 21:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC) ::{{ping\|Choess}} I fixed {{tl\|BONAP}}, but when I search for [https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=38011880 harv errors] caused either by {{tl\|Efloras}} or {{tl\|Jepson eFlora}}, I find no errors caused by either template <s>(the one error returned by PetScan is caused by other templates)</s>. Is there a particular article you are concerned about? — [[User:Hike395\|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395\|talk]]) 01:59, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Pair skating == ~~::Nope, <code><nowiki>{{sfnp\|James\|2004}}</nowiki><code> generates the following footnote.{{sfnp\|James\|2004}}~~ ~~::(After the tweak noted below, <code><nowiki>{{sfnp\|Smith\|2005\|ps=none}}</nowiki><code> generates the following footnote.{{sfnp\|Smith\|2005\|ps=none}})~~ ~~::{{reflist}}~~ ::So as a CS2 user, I end up with <code><nowiki>{{sfnp\|ps=\|...}}</nowiki></code> but would prefer {{para\|ps\|none}} for same reason as you (well, actually I'd prefer another template, and did once create one, but the consensus was to delete it). ::Doing things in a "round-about way" is a sure recipe for software errors (at least that's what I used to teach in first-year software engineering). The complexity of the current code is shown by the fact that it isn't easy to work out what {{tl\|sfnp}} actually does. A separate function is clearer and easier to maintain. Or perhaps better still (because more modular), pass appropriate parameters to <code>f.sfn()</code>. [[User:Peter coxhead\|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead\|talk]]) 21:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC) Hello, ~~:::Right, it gets it's postscript from the template call to {{tlx\|Harvard citation/core}}. [[Module:Footnotes]] tweaked and I tweaked your example.~~ I keep getting false positive errors for a source in [[Pair skating]]. It's for just one source, even though the code looks exactly like other sources that use the snfp template. ~~:::You'll get no argument from me in support of round-about code. Every line must be maintained. I'll think about integrating {{tlx\|sfnp}} in the module.~~ Looks like this: [[Pair skating#CITEREFKestnbaum2003\|Kestnbaum (2003)]], p. 218. sfnp error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFKestnbaum2003 ([[:Category:Harv and Sfn template errors\|help]]) Harv error: CITEREFKestnbaum2003 has multiple targets (2×). ~~:::—[[User:Trappist the monk\|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk\|talk]]) 22:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)~~ Hopefully, someone will assist. I've tried to resolve the problem myself, but so far have been unsuccessful. It's very frustrating! [[User:Figureskatingfan\|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan\|talk]]) 00:34, 17 August 2025 (UTC) :You might want to replace [[Special:Permalink/1306289786#cite_note-94\|ref 86 (permalink)]] with an appropriate {{tlx\|sfnp}} template because Kestnbaum 2003 is also listed under [[Special:Permalink/1306289786#Works cited\|§Works cited (permalink)]]. :—[[User:Trappist the monk\|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk\|talk]]) 00:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC) ::@[[User:Trappist the monk\|Trappist the monk]], that did it! It was a simple solution all along, I guess I just needed a second pair of eyes to see it. Thanks so much, especially for your quick response. You're a gem! [[User:Figureskatingfan\|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan\|talk]]) 04:45, 17 August 2025 (UTC) == Yet another Tolkien to whitelist == ['CITEREFTolkien2024'] = template_names['ME-ref'] Thanks, [[User:Andy02124\|Andy02124]] ([[User talk:Andy02124\|talk]]) 18:25, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :{{Done}} — [[User:Hike395\|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395\|talk]]) 01:51, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

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