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Please see [[Template talk:Sfn#Lua version is broken]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 22:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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== Broken parameter ==

See [[Wikipedia:Bot requests#Help clear Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors]].

Please see [[Template talk:Harvard citation no brackets#Broken parameter]]. Similar templates are probably similarly broken. [[User:Wtmitchell|Wtmitchell]] [[User talk:Wtmitchell|(talk)]] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 07:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

&#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 22:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

:This should be fixed. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] ([[User talk:Dragons flight|talk]]) 10:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== More"n.d.a" thanvs. six"n.d. parametersa" ==

It would help if the code was more compatible with CS1. At the moment it does not handle more than four authors elegantly. See [[Module talk:Citation/CS1#CITEREF and harvnb and CITEREF and CS1]]. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 13:09, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

At [[Capri-Sun]], I have two references that I'd written as <code><nowiki>{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d. a}}</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d. b}}</nowiki></code>. I could've sworn they worked as intended when they were added, but maybe I just overlooked this before, because I don't spot anything relevant in the history. Either way, as it stands, these render as "[[Capri-Sun#CITEREFCapri Sun Groupn.d. a|Capri Sun Group & n.d. a]]" and ""[[Capri-Sun#CITEREFCapri Sun Groupn.d. b|Capri Sun Group & n.d. b]]", which appears to be because [[Module:Footnotes#L-131|L131]] is expecting no space before the disambiguating letter. But I don't think most people would write "n.d.a", which looks like the ''a'' is part of an acronym. "n.d. a" is much clearer. I would suggest that both should be allowed, as should "nd a" in contrast to "nda". I believe all we'd have to do is add a <code> ?</code> before the <code>%l</code> on lines 65, 66, 131, and 132. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;[[User talk:Tamzin|<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>]]]</sup> <small>([[User:Tamzin/🤷|they&#124;xe&#124;🤷]])</small> 03:06, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

== Markup ==

:Those references appear to be working as expected and I'm seeing them displayed with a space between n.d. and the disambiguation. What error message are you seeing? It may have to do with the script you're using -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°''</small> 11:12, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

The Lua CS1 templates strip markup, such as bold or italics, where this module does not. Thus if markup is used in {{tl|sfn}} or variant, then the link and anchor will not match. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' &nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''^{[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]}</span> 11:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

::@[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]: The issue isn't the space falling to render; it's the ampersand showing up because the module reads "n.d. a" as a name rather than a date <span style="font-family:courier"> -- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;[[User talk:Tamzin|<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>]]]</sup> <small>([[User:Tamzin/🤷|they&#124;xe&#124;🤷]])</small> 14:27, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d.a}}

:::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d.b}}

:::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|1997a}}

:::Without spaces &uarr;

:::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d. a}}

:::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d. b}}

:::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|1997 a}}

:::With spaces &uarr; [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjjⁱⁱⁱ</span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 14:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes, a space makes the module read it as a name rather than a date, and this put an ampersand before it. What I'm saying is that, while that's reasonable for years like 1997a, for n.d. in particular a space should be understood as part of the date. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:#E6007A">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;[[User talk:Tamzin|<i style="color:#E6007A">cetacean needed</i>]]]</sup> <small>([[User:Tamzin/🤷|they&#124;xe&#124;🤷]])</small> 15:01, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::Sorry misconstrued the issue. -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°''</small> 15:10, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::I think the pre-module version of the harv/sfn templates always treated the final parameter as the year, [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjjⁱⁱⁱ</span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 20:54, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::@[[User:Tamzin|Tamzin]] & [[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]]:

::::::[https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2011/10/reference-twins.html APA uses n.d.-x]. It seems like [https://files.taylorandfrancis.com/tf_chicagoad.pdf Chicago] and [https://libguides.jcu.edu.au/HarvardAGSM/dates Harvard] referencing do as well. I've added the pattern for that to the sandbox module:

::::::;Live

::::::{{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d.-a}}

::::::;Sandbox

::::::{{Harvard citation no brackets/sandbox|Capri Sun Group|n.d.-a}}

::::::But you'd also need to add support in [[Module:Citation/CS1]]. Right now it gives an error if you suffix anything to n.d. separated by a hyphen or space (only {{harvnb|Capri Sun Group|n.d.a}} works):

::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d. |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1}}

::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d.a |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1}}

::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d. a |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1}}

::::::* {{citation|author=Capri Sun Group |date=n.d.-a |title=Frequently Asked Questions |work=Capri-Sun.com |mode=cs1 |ref={{sfnref|Capri Sun Group|n.d.-a}}}}

::::::Also some stats while thinking about changes:

::::::* 5,041,630 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web]

::::::* 15,112 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web+insource%3A%22date%3Dn.d.%22&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web using n.d.]

::::::* 45 pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=hastemplate%3Acite_web+insource%3A%22date%3Dn.d.a%22&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns126=1&ns127=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 with cite web and n.d.a] (without spaces)

::::::* 55% of cite web invocations [https://bambots.brucemyers.com/TemplateParam.php?wiki=enwiki&template=Cite+web have no date parameter] (not an issue without author-date short citations)

::::::I'd support adding support to both modules for "n.d.-" if that's the norm in published citation styles. [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjjⁱⁱⁱ</span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 11:01, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Continued at: [[Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#"n.d.a",_"n.d._a",_or_"n.d.-a"]] [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjjⁱⁱⁱ</span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 03:31, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

::::::::So far, no response at all over there. Idk if it's a good idea to add support for a type of date in only one of the modules. [[User:Rjjiii|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">Rjjⁱⁱⁱ</span>]] ([[User talk:Rjjiii|talk]]) 04:36, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Re [[:Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors]] ==

== Protected edit request on 27 June 2014 ==

I've been trying to whack down the amount of articles in this Category and have come across a List that I can't find any Harv errors or Harv warnings in, and yet here is [[List of fictional diseases]] listed amongst the error'fied articles. Can anyone tell me why? Thanks - [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 03:33, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

{{edit protected|Module:Footnotes|answered=yes}}

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:It's a false positive, because {{tl|Cite MW}} is a template that wraps {{tl|cite web}}, and this module didn't know about it yet. I'll fix. Please feel free to report any such mysterious false positives here. Thanks for cleaning all of this up! — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 07:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

[[Module:Citation/CS1]] runs <code>mw.uri.anchorEncode()</code> on <code>options.id</code> before generating the <code><span id="</code>... line. For compatibility between generated <code>id</code> in that module and the <code>#CITEREF</code> generated here, I think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3ASandbox%2F%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%2FSandbox&diff=614605646&oldid=614604084 this change] needs to be applied on this module.

:The Trappist script doesn’t flag false positives but the css modification (as described on the error page) does.

:[[User:Andy02124|Andy02124]] ([[User talk:Andy02124|talk]]) 12:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks you guys for looking into it. Btw the Category has now inched up to 85.'''1'''% fixed/empty. Seems like it had been at a straight 85% for forever... - [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 15:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

== Two additions ==

([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7/test1&oldid=614606123 Here] is an example footnote which is not linked to it's citation and I think it's because of the above mentioned problem.)

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<span style="border:solid 2px #1E90FF;border-radius:3px">[[user:دالبا|Dalba]]</span> 07:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> Thanks for the fix! — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' ^{[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius|♪ talk ♪]]} 12:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I use these templates pretty often and have had [[Talk:European rabbit#broken footnotes|several issues]] that have led me here. Can the following be added to the whitelist: [[Template:Lagomorphs2018]], [[Template:HMW2016 Volume 6]]

== Template:sfnp ==

['CITEREFSmithJohnstonAlvesHackländer2018'] = {'Lagomorphs2018'}

['CITEREFWilsonLacherMittermeier2016'] = {'HMW2016 Volume 6'} -- [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#4E8321">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#073131">rabbit</span>]] 17:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

{{tl|sfnp}} could usefully be implemented within this module as well as {{tl|sfn}}. As far as I can see, <code>function f.sfnp( frame )</code> would simply duplicate <code>function f.sfn( frame )</code> with the addition of:

:<code>args.bracket_year_left = "(";</code>

:<code>args.bracket_year_right = ")";</code>

An oddity at present is that {{para|postscript|none}} works for {{tl|sfn}} but not for {{tl|sfnp}}. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 20:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:[[File:Lionhead rabbit Dobby.jpg|frameless|x50px|alt=Rabbit indicating done]] — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 03:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

:It does in a sort of round-about way:

::Thank you! I'll be back in a long while once I'm done with the lagomorphs, since by that point I'll be using Volume 7 for the rodents. -- [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#4E8321">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:#073131">rabbit</span>]] 12:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

::{{tlx|sfnp}} calls {{tlx|Harvard citation/core}} calls [[Module:Footnotes]] function harvard_core().

== Template:Efloras and Template:BONAP ==

:Is {{para|postscript|none}} necessary for {{tld|sfnp}}? The code seems to indicate that {{tlx|sfn}} uses '.' for a default of postscript character. If {{para|postscript}} is empty or omitted, then {{tld|sfnp}} uses an empty string as the default postscript.

The [[:Template:Efloras|first template]] is sort of whitelisted, but it isn't working correctly. There are 4 lines dedicated to it in the whitelist variable, but this template handles citations to a number of floras published on efloras.org. The most-cited are ''Flora of North America'' and ''Flora of China'', published in many volumes with different authors and dates for each. It seems like it needs an entry in wrapper_templates to get it working properly. The [[:Template:BONAP|second template]] is simpler; it should always produce 'CITEREFKartesz2014'. (In theory the year could change in the future but it should be stable in practice.) [[User:Choess|Choess]] ([[User talk:Choess|talk]]) 20:14, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 20:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:And as long as I'm requesting whitelisting of botany wrapper templates, [[:Template:Jepson eFlora]] can also take many different authors and will probably need to be handled in wrapper_templates. [[User:Choess|Choess]] ([[User talk:Choess|talk]]) 21:30, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Choess}} I fixed {{tl|BONAP}}, but when I search for [https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=38011880 harv errors] caused either by {{tl|Efloras}} or {{tl|Jepson eFlora}}, I find no errors caused by either template <s>(the one error returned by PetScan is caused by other templates)</s>. Is there a particular article you are concerned about? — [[User:Hike395|hike395]] ([[User talk:Hike395|talk]]) 01:59, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

== Pair skating ==

::Nope, <code><nowiki>{{sfnp|James|2004}}</nowiki><code> generates the following footnote.{{sfnp|James|2004}}

::(After the tweak noted below, <code><nowiki>{{sfnp|Smith|2005|ps=none}}</nowiki><code> generates the following footnote.{{sfnp|Smith|2005|ps=none}})

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::So as a CS2 user, I end up with <code><nowiki>{{sfnp|ps=|...}}</nowiki></code> but would prefer {{para|ps|none}} for same reason as you (well, actually I'd prefer another template, and did once create one, but the consensus was to delete it).

::Doing things in a "round-about way" is a sure recipe for software errors (at least that's what I used to teach in first-year software engineering). The complexity of the current code is shown by the fact that it isn't easy to work out what {{tl|sfnp}} actually does. A separate function is clearer and easier to maintain. Or perhaps better still (because more modular), pass appropriate parameters to <code>f.sfn()</code>. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 21:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello,

:::Right, it gets it's postscript from the template call to {{tlx|Harvard citation/core}}. [[Module:Footnotes]] tweaked and I tweaked your example.

I keep getting false positive errors for a source in [[Pair skating]]. It's for just one source, even though the code looks exactly like other sources that use the snfp template.

:::You'll get no argument from me in support of round-about code. Every line must be maintained. I'll think about integrating {{tlx|sfnp}} in the module.

Looks like this: [[Pair skating#CITEREFKestnbaum2003|Kestnbaum (2003)]], p. 218. sfnp error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFKestnbaum2003 ([[:Category:Harv and Sfn template errors|help]]) Harv error: CITEREFKestnbaum2003 has multiple targets (2×).

:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 22:02, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully, someone will assist. I've tried to resolve the problem myself, but so far have been unsuccessful. It's very frustrating! [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 00:34, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Ok, tweaked {{tlx|sfnp/sandbox}} to pass the bracket defaults as {{para|bracket_year_left|(}} and {{para|bracket_year_right|)}} to <code>f.sfn()</code> in [[Module:Footnotes/sandbox]] where those parameters override the defaults normally used by {{tlx|sfn}}:

:You might want to replace [[Special:Permalink/1306289786#cite_note-94|ref 86 (permalink)]] with an appropriate {{tlx|sfnp}} template because Kestnbaum 2003 is also listed under [[Special:Permalink/1306289786#Works cited|§Works cited (permalink)]].

:::::Some text using {{tlx|sfnp}}.{{sfnp|Smith|2005|ps=none}}

:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 00:46, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Some text using {{tlx|sfnp/sandbox}}.{{sfnp/sandbox|Smith|Jones|2005}}

::@[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]], that did it! It was a simple solution all along, I guess I just needed a second pair of eyes to see it. Thanks so much, especially for your quick response. You're a gem! [[User:Figureskatingfan|Christine (Figureskatingfan)]] ([[User talk:Figureskatingfan|talk]]) 04:45, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Some text using {{tlx|sfnp/sandbox|ps{{=}}none}}.{{sfnp/sandbox|Smith|Jones|Babcock|2005|ps=none}}

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== Yet another Tolkien to whitelist ==

::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 13:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

['CITEREFTolkien2024'] = template_names['ME-ref']

:::::A much more elegant approach than the current version; hopefully soon to be deployed. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 18:56, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks,

::::::Done.

[[User:Andy02124|Andy02124]] ([[User talk:Andy02124|talk]]) 18:25, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::{{Done}} — [[User:Trappist the monkHike395|Trappist the monkhike395]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monkHike395|talk]]) 0001:3851, 1720 DecemberAugust 20142025 (UTC)

::::::Thanks! [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 16:54, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

== Dashes and hyphens, oh my ==

A number of threads have shown up on [[WT:VPT]] (e.g. [[WP:VPT#Help in fixing a "cite error"]]) and elsewhere regarding the change in MediaWiki to output an error where the same names are used in a reference but where the reference is defined differently.

It seems to me that a basic level of checking for that could be implemented in this module, either (namely) to treat (example) {{para|p}} and {{para|pp}} the same before outputting the reference for [[Template:sfn]] or to do some basic level of sanity checking e.g. where {{para|p}} uses a dash/hyphen (and should not) or where {{para|pp}} doesn't use one of the set: <code>(,|-)</code> (or similar).

Thoughts? --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:17, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

:Only that there's a need to be careful not to exclude electronic publications which increasingly have "page" numbers with non-numerical characters in them. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 17:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

::My suggestion would be only to look for certain punctuation. --[[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 17:40, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

:::And then do what once the detector detects whatever it is set to detect?

:::This is difficult. {{para|p|A-1}} or {{para|p|17-6}} are legitimate page numbers.

:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 18:10, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

::::Precisely. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 22:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

== Auto-formatting dashes in parameter "pages" ==

[[Module:Citation/CS1]] based templates automatically replace hyphens (-) with endashes (–) when hyphens are typed in the <code>|pages=</code> parameter. Is it possible to implement this feature into this module?<br />[[User:Αντιγόνη|Αντιγόνη]] ([[User talk:Αντιγόνη|talk]]) 07:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

:Yes, we can do that here if there is sufficient support for it. If we do add it, I would like to see us adopt some sort of mechanism that allows editors to override the auto-conversion. [[Template talk:Citation/Archive 8#Hyphens in page ranges and subsections within edited-volume chapters|Elsewhere]] I suggested a couple of ways that this might be accomplished. Those proposals were not taken up.

:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 10:40, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

::So what would happen with something like {{para|pp|A-1–A-15}}? Entirely possible with electronic publications. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 14:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

:::Which is why I suggested {{para|pp|((A-1–A-15))}} or {{para|pp|A--1-A--15}} as ways to tell the module to 'do it this way': pp.&nbsp;A-1–A-15.

:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 14:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

::::Well, either there has to be some special mechanism, as you suggest, or no automatic replacement, which I prefer. [[User:Peter coxhead|Peter coxhead]] ([[User talk:Peter coxhead|talk]]) 15:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)