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==Requests==

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|title=Jack Black's secret jerk-off tape?

|date=October 5, 2004

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|url=http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/movies/jack-blacks-secret-jerk-off-tape-update-022661.php}}

==Defamer article==

=== [[Hydrochloric acid]] ===

From the ''Defamer'' article:

''Proposal moved from [[wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Hydrochloric acid|the discussion page of Hydrochloric as FAC]]''<br>

:''Hours of tireless research and a few friendly e-mails from Black’s publicist have disabused us of the notion that any onanistic camera work exists, and that the Wikipedia submitter is having some fun at the actor’s expense. ($9.99? Nothing that good ever happens to us.)''

I think for such an outstanding and highly rated Feature Article, it should be scheduled for a Front Page Feature Article appearance. [[User:H Padleckas|H Padleckas]] 18:55, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:''Yes, our thoughts on the truth-telling skills of celebrity publicists are well documented, but there’s no good reason to be skeptical in this instance. Black doesn’t even have a website (Tenacious D’s notwithstanding), unless he’s moonlighting in Arizona real estate, and the flack notes JB’s been in New Zealand shooting King Kong since August. While we’re pretty sure masturbation is legal in New Zealand, we imagine it would be exceedingly difficult to use one of Peter Jackson’s expensive movie cameras to shoot this kind of DVD bonus feature for the fans.''

*I support the proposal. Text will probably just be copyable from the introduction text. For the image, we would have to discuss a bit: perhaps the bottle or the oven, but probably not the gelatin (pity though). We could reintroduce the images discussion from [[wikipedia:Peer_review/Hydrochloric acid|the elaborate Peer Review discussion page]]. [[User:Wimvandorst|Wim van Dorst]] 19:43, 2005 Apr 8 (UTC)

===LegendAnother ofJack Zelda=Black==

There's a problem, there are two jack blacks. One that is an actor, and one that wrote the book [[You Can't Win]]

:Yes we know, that's why this article is called '''Jack Black <u>(actor)</u>'''

==Dead Kennedy's==

''Self-nomination (FAC was a self-nomination, too)'' How about featuring [[Link (Legend of Zelda)]] some time in February? I see Super Mario 64 will be featured on Jan. 31, so it's better to wait a bit before featuring the next video game related article. [[User:Phils|Phils]] 09:59, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Jack Black uses almost the same set of facial expressions as lead singer, Jello Biafra, of the Dead Kennedy's. Find some live footage, you'll see what I mean.

<P>[[User:24.4.12.186|24.4.12.186]] 09:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Req. Image==

:I'm hesitant to put that article on the main page, because of (a) the fact that several of the pictures have no source at all, or a secondary source but not the prime one; and (b) the large number of images marked as fair use weakens the case that they are fair use. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 19:48, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

<!-- Yes I realise I am top-posting-->Hi, the image on this article is fairly OK, but we need a bigger (and better!) one. It's on [[WP:RI|Wikipedia - Requested Images]] --[[User:Kilo-Lima|Kilo-Lima]] 00:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'll see what I can do about the pictures. I understand your concerns fully, but I am unsure what to do about it really. Nintendo.com is subject to random changes so it is impossible to link to a lasting artwork archive. I could replace the main picture with a hand-made drawing, but the others have to be genuine in-game pictures, because their purpose is precisely to illustrate the slight differences in Link's appearance in the various games.

== Jack Black - another movie appearence ==

Jack Black was in The Neverending Story 3 (1994). He played the character Slip, Leader of The Nasties. source - www.imdb.com

Not to mention the screenshots Nintendo provides on their own site are of dubious quality. The only clean screenshots are taken in emulators (or hardware cartridge loaders). At best I can tag the pictures to mention which emulator I used, but that doesn't really change the legal status of the pictures. Should I contact Nintendo to ask about this? [[User:Phils|Phils]] 17:13, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== Anchorman ==

He also had a small role in [[Anchorman:_The_Legend_of_Ron_Burgundy|Anchorman (2004)]]

===[[Canadian Pacific Railway]]===

''(self-nom; FAC was also a self-nom)'' I'd like to see this article considered for the front page. I noticed that someone already requested a railway-related article above, so I understand if this isn't on the front page for a while. [[User:JYolkowski|JYolkowski]] 14:41, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Since we just had a train within the last week, I'd like to wait a bit before featuring this. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 00:25, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

:That role is uncredited

===[[Kylie Minogue]]===

== Picture ==

This is partially a self nomination, and my main reason for requesting this, to be honest, is simply that I'd like to see it. This article took (I think) four nominations over more than a year, before finally being supported as a FA and it's now at it's best - topical and up to date. Thanks. [[User:Rossrs|Rossrs]] 14:14, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can we get a better picture? Something from Tenacious D, perhaps. Seems more fitting, given what hes better known for.

I agree, especially since that's what he most typically looks like anyway.

===[[Diego Velázquez]]===

==X Files==

[[Image:Velazquez SelfPortrait1943.jpg|left|100px]]

I'm watching the X Files now, with this lightning boy, and he looks like the owner of some video arcade in this episode. I'm not sure, but it sure looks like him. Not sure to put it in the article though, this is a very old episode and I'm not sure if it's exactly him.

'''[[Diego Velázquez]]''' was a [[Spain|Spanish]] [[Art|painter]], the leading artist in the court of King [[Philip IV of Spain|Philip IV]]. He was an individualistic artist of the contemporary [[baroque]] period, important as a portrait artist. His two visits to [[Italy]] while part of the Spanish court are well-documented. In addition to numerous renditions of scenes of historical and cultural significance, he created scores of portraits of the Spanish royal family, other notable European figures, and commoners, culminating in the production of his masterpiece, ''[[Las Meninas]]'' (1656). Starting in the first quarter of the [[nineteenth century]], Velázquez's artwork proved a model for the [[realism|realist]] and [[impressionism|impressionist]] painters, in particular [[Édouard Manet]]. Since that time, more modern artists, including Spain's [[Pablo Picasso]] and [[Salvador Dalí]], have paid tribute to Velázquez by recreating several of his most famous works.

: [[User:DanielNuyu|DanielNuyu]] 23:50, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

: Yes, he takes part in some episode of "The X Files" (episode # 3.3: "D.P.O.", acording to [http://www.caaien.com/jackblack/filmtv.html The Greatest Jack Black Site in the World], but I personally don't remember to have seen him, though it's possible, I didn't know him at the time when I've probably watched the episode. --[[User:Tzeck|Tzeck]] 11:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

===[[Charles Ives]]===

Here are some excerpts that may be used to create the Main Page entry:

I do confirm so, I've just watched the episode and he was in the credits

[[Image:Charles-ives.jpg|left|100px]]

'''[[Charles Ives]]''' was an American [[composer]] of [[classical music]]. He is widely regarded as one of the first American classical composers of international significance.

==Tenacious D==

Ives's music was largely ignored during his life, and many of his works went unperformed for many years. Over time, Ives would come to be regarded as one of the "American Originals", a composer working in a uniquely American style, with American [[folk music|folk tune]]s woven through his music, and a reaching sense of the possible in music.

This makes no mention of perhaps the single most responsible role for his current stardom, and that is the one of himself in the HBO show "Tenacious D."

: So tell us about it! The great thing about Wikipedia is that anyone, yes anyone, even you, can add information. I know next to nothing about that, so why don't you enlighten us? --[[User:Jacqui M Schedler|Jacqui M Schedler]] 04:43, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps the most remarkable piece of orchestral music Ives ever completed was his ''Symphony No. 4'' (1910&ndash;16). The list of forces required to perform the work alone is extraordinary; as well as a large symphony [[orchestra]], the piece requires a massive [[percussion]] section, two pianos (one tuned a [[quarter tone]] apart from the other), an [[organ (music)|organ]], an extra group of distant strings, a full chorus, three optional [[saxophone]]s and finally an "ether organ" (it is not clear what Ives meant by this, but a [[theremin]] or a [[synthesizer]] is usually used).

==Projects in the mill==

[[User:Brian0918|<font color="#000000">brian0918</font>]][[User talk:Brian0918|<font color="#000000">&#153;</font>]] 17:51, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So, does anyone else have information regarding Black's upcoming projects? It feels unfair to single a couple of them out by name in the article, when there are 5 or so in the pipeline for the next two years. --[[User:Jacqui M Schedler|Jacqui M Schedler]] 05:09, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

: With respect, an encycopedia doesn't give out this kind of information. People should see links to his IMDB page or whatever if they want that sort of information.

:This would be a great article to feature on the main page soon. [[User:Demi|Demi]] ^{[[User_talk:Demi|T]]}/_{[[Special:Contributions/Demi|C]]} 17:55, 2005 Apr 21 (UTC)

:: (please sign your comments) I agree, and with that, I am taking the section with new projects that have not yet been released, out. --[[User:Jacqui M Schedler|Jacquelyn Marie]] 18:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

===[[Dream Theater]]===

::: i don't agree as some of the future work is about set in stone, he will star in the king kong remake, why is it so wrong to show that on wiki. once the movie has been released the piece could be added to the article.

There haven't been many music-related FAs on the main page lately, so here's one that I would like to (self-)nominate:

== Animated image ==

[[Image:DT_band.jpg|left|100px]]

'''[[Dream Theater]]''' is a pioneering [[United States of America|American]] [[progressive metal]] band formed by three students at the [[Berklee College of Music]] in the mid [[1980s]]. In the twenty years since their inception, they have become the most successful [[progressive music|progressive]] band since the height of [[progressive rock]] in the mid-[[1970s]], despite being relatively unknown in mainstream [[pop music|pop]] and [[rock music|rock]] circles. They, along with counterparts [[Queensrÿche]] and [[Fates Warning]], are credited with reviving progressive music into critical and commercial success after the genre had spent almost a decade in decline following the conversion of many '70s prog acts to [[pop music]]. Since that time, their career has seen [[gold album]]s, a top 10 single, tours with some of the world's biggest acts (from [[Yes (band)|Yes]] to [[Megadeth]]) and consistent plaudits from rock critics and fans.

The animated image here is awfully distracting. Perhaps another still image would be a better in its place. [[User:Meeve|Meeve]] 08:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

-- [[User:Plattopus|plattopus]]^{<small>[[User_talk:Plattopus|is this thing on?]]</small>} 18:57, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

:hmmm, after looking at the context, it seems that a still image wouldn't work in this case. The animation can make it difficult to read the page, though. [[User:Meeve|Meeve]] 08:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

===[[Louis Riel]]=POV Issue ==

"Black is perhaps best-known in for his role as the greedy 1930s-era film director Carl Denham in Peter Jackson's remake of King Kong."

A great article on an enigmatic historical figure. Here's a basic summary, add more if you like:

This seems to have a conflict in POV to me. Not only do I disagree with the statement (School of Rock was definitively Black's rise to being a household name) but it's got definitive POV.

[[Image:LouisRiel.jpg|100px|right|Louis Riel]]

:It does say "perhaps". But if you disagree go ahead and change it. A good idea would be to list a few of his roles. [[User:JackO'Lantern|JackO&#39;Lantern]] 05:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

'''[[Louis Riel]]''' was a [[Canada|Canadian]] politician and leader of the [[Métis people (Canada)|Métis]] people of [[western Canada]]. He led two [[resistance movements]] against the [[Canadian government]] that sought to preserve Métis rights and culture as their homelands in the [[Northwest Territories]] came progressively under the Canadian sphere of influence. Whether he is seen as a ''de facto'' [[Father of Confederation]] or as a [[traitor]], he remains one of the most complex, [[controversy|controversial]], and ultimately [[tragedy|tragic]] figures in the [[history of Canada]].

== PitFall! ==

[[User:Radagast|Radagast]] 04:06, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

According on the [[Pitfall!]] article, his first acting job was a commercial for the game. The game is quite popular, so prehaps this should be added to the article?

==Old FA's==

Hey Raul, I have taken the liberty of making a list of the FA's that were not on the Main Page as of [[August 18]], 2004 and have still not been there, and are still listed. I sincerely hope you are giving priority to these.

== Vandalism ==

*[[Quatermass and the Pit]]

*[[Louis Armstrong]]

*[[Miles Davis]]

*[[Charles Ives]]

*[[Roy Orbison]]

*[[Igor Stravinsky]]

*[[Marshall, Texas]]

*[[Transit of Venus]]

*[[2004 Democratic National Convention]]

*[[Article One of the United States Constitution]]

*[[Charles Graner]]

*[[Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.]]

*[[Privy Council]]

*[[Royal Assent]]

*<s>[[Margaret Thatcher]]</s> scheduled

*[[Tynwald Day]]

*[[Ralph Yarborough]]

*<s>[[Schizophrenia]]</s> Introduction unsuitable; controversial section under discussion in talk page

*[[Hereditary peer]]

*[[Order of the Bath]]

*[[Order of the Thistle]]

*<s>[[Garry Kasparov]]</s> (scheduled)

*[[Olympic Games]]

*[[ASCII]]

*[[C programming language]]

*[[Computer security]]

*[[Java programming language]]

*[[Markup language]]

*[[Phonograph cylinder]]

*[[Quantum computer]]

*[[Spam (electronic)]]

*[[Telephone exchange]]

*[[Battle of Aljubarrota]]

*[[First Battle of the Stronghold]]

*<s>[[Peloponnesian War]]</s> In process of being defeatured

--Black was born in [[Richard King's basement under Studio 8H]] to a middle-class [[Jewish Americans|Jewish]] family. His parents, George Washington and Martha Stewart, were Janitors and members of a [[naturist]] group, Family Synergy [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=2375]. They divorced when he was -0.

-- [[Image:Canada flag_large.png|20px]] [[User:Earl Andrew|Earl Andrew]] - [[User talk:Earl Andrew|talk]] 05:00, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sigh...--[[User:tdxiang|<font color="#E32636">Tdxi</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="#006600">a</font>]][[User:tdxiang|<font color="#E32636">ng</font>]] 陈 鼎 翔 [[User Talk:tdxiang|<font color="#66FF00">(Talk)</font>]][[Special:Contributions|<font color="blue">Contributions</font>Contributions]] [irc://irc.freenode.net/tdxiang Chat with Tdxiang on IRC!] 09:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==References==

I have converted everything to the new meta cite.php format. Hope this makes things easier. '''[[User:Kilo-Lima/Esperanza|<font color="green">K</font>]]'''[[User:Kilo-Lima|ilo-Lima]]|^{[[User talk:Kilo-Lima|(talk)]]} 15:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

== New image ==

I've added another free image from the commons that was actually seen on the French Wikipedia. '''[[User:Kilo-Lima/Esperanza|<font color="green">K</font>]]'''[[User:Kilo-Lima|ilo-Lima]]|^{[[User talk:Kilo-Lima|(talk)]]} 12:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Bias in featured articles ==

Is there any way that a better image can be put up? It shows only half of his face and hes doing something weird with his mouth. [[User:Sfrostee|Sfrostee]] 14 December 2006

It seemed to me as if there might be a bias in featured articles toward U.S. subject matter. Today's article was an extreme case &mdash; an article not about the U.S. constitution, but about a particular section of it. To quantify the bias, I went through the articles for February/March/April and classified them geographically by their subject matter. If a subject matter was associated with two countries I've put the article under both and marked them with an asterisk*. If the subject matter was associated with more than two countries I have not included them under any of the countries and listed them at the bottom.

== Acting career ==

* <small>United States (24): poetry of the United States, Battle of Inchon*, Bryce Canyon National Park, Liberal Party of Utah, Roe v. Wade, Sid McMath, Great Lakes Storm, Space Race*, Hilda Doolittle, Ammolite, San Jose, Cannabis rescheduling in the United States, Isaac Asimov*, Pioneer Zephyr, history of the Yosemite area, Julia Stiles, The Supremes, Medal of Honour, The Cantos, Government of Maryland, Galveston Hurricane, Apollo 8, Robert Oppenheimer, Article One of the United States Constitution</small>

* <small>United Kingdom (11): King James Version, Bodyline*, Jonathan wild, Mary I, John Vanbrugh, national parks of England and Wales, Charles II, John Dee, Blackadder, Kylie Minogue*, Order of the Bath</small>

* <small>Russia/USSR (7): history of Russia, Space Race*, Isaac Asimov*, military history of the Soviet Union, El Lissitzky, Garry Kasparov, history of post-Soviet Russia</small>

* <small>Australia (3): Mark Latham, Bodyline*, Kylie Minogue*</small>

* <small>Ireland (3): economy of Ireland, geography of Ireland, Ryanair</small>

* <small>China (2): Octopus card, Bank of China (HK)</small>

* <small>France (2): Suzanne Lenglen, Cardinal Richelieu</small>

* <small>India (2): Gandhi, Sikkim</small>

* <small>South Africa (2): Flag of South Africa, Republic of South Africa</small>

* <small>Thailand (2): Isan, Mor Iam*</small>

* <small>Other countries (12): Canadian Pacific Railway (Canada), Cambodia, Golditz Castle (Germany), 1896 Summer Olympics (Greece), Hrafnkels saga (Iceland), Mordechai Vanunu (Israel), Mor Iam* (Laos), Battle of Inchon* (Korea), Anne Frank (Netherlands), Diego Velazquez (Spain), Tamil (Sri Lanka), Lord's Resistance Army (Uganda)</small>

* <small>Many countries (2): Commonwealth of Nations, League of Nations</small>

* <small>Religious (4): Xenu, Buddhist art, George Fox, name of God in Judaism</small>

* <small>No particular country (20): H II region, Coconut Crab, Albert Einstein, Graffiti, Brolga, Big Bang, Weight training, Chemical warfare, Comet Hale-Bopp, Evolution, Helicobacter pylori, Venus, bicycle, Nintendo, Caesar cipher, Timapni, Aramaic, Krag-Jørgensen, Hydrochloric acid</small>

===Conclusion===

The "Acting career" section should include things like "High Fidelity," "School of Rock," and "King Kong," not a small voice-acting bit and the intro to a failed pilot.--[[User:Not a slave|Josh]] 19:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that we are featuring far more than enough articles about topics particular to the United States and United Kingdom. Russia, Ireland and Australia have also had a fair go recently, although the numbers are small. We should try to focus more on articles to do with the rest of the world, particularly Africa, India and China. Articles about scientific or technical topics are probably under-represented as well. I was surprised how few articles ended up under "no particular country".

== Religion ==

You may argue that the featured articles are merely indicative of Wikipedia as a whole, and you'd be right, but to some extent the featured articles are advertisments of what we would like Wikipedia to be like, so focusing too much on the U.S. and U.K. may be self-reinforcing. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if an article about an article of the U.S. constituion languishes in "candidates for featured articles" for years.

In a few of his songs he can be quoted as saying "Dianetics junior much better than krishna...Dianetics Junior much better indeed" (another city hall lyric i believe). Is Jack Black a practioner of Dianetics or Scientology? or are they simply lyrics. A google search had not yielded any results, can anyone clarify and possibly update this in the wiki? All we know is he grew up in a jewish household. {{unsigned|81.107.151.178|19:38, May 13, 2006}}

:Your conclusion is flawed. For example, let's compare India-related featured articles (of which 2 were recently featured) with US-related ones (24). Now, (and this is the step you omitted), let's compare the total number of India-related featured articles with the number of US featured articles. As I count them, there are 7 india related featured articles (India, Sikkim, Kalimpong, Mahatma Gandhi, British East India Company, Tamil language, Governor-General of India), of which 6 have been featured on the main page; there are MANY times more US related featured articles (I'd conservately guess 150), of which, I would estimate that roughly half have been featured. So:

:Black was raised Jewish and is currently an atheist. Those lyrics actually come from "Kielbasa," and they're just weird lyrics.--[[User:Not a slave|Josh]] 13:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

* 7 india related featured articles, 6 featured on the main page (85%); 150 US related featured articles, 75 featured on the main page (50%).

::Are you sure? I remember him saying on a special feature to the ''School of Rock'' that he said "[You know?] Because I'm a Jew." '''[[User:Kilo-Lima/Esperanza|<font color="green">K</font>]]'''[[User:Kilo-Lima|ilo-Lima]]|^{[[User talk:Kilo-Lima|(talk)]]} 16:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

* In the last two months, 12 US related featured articles for every indian featured article, when Indian featured articles are outnumberd 20-to-1. Therefore, in recent months, Indian featured articles were roughly twice as likely to be picked for the main page than US featured articles. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 02:45, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

::: He's not an atheist, he still is Jewish, and does not identify him as anything else.

== COMPUTERMAN ==

== clarification on Article One of the United States Constitution ==

Does anyone knows about COMPUTERMAN, a online series in wich Black participated?--[[User:Zebras-en|Zebras-en]] 03:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

in today's summary of [[Article One of the United States Constitution]], it says "No amendment made prior to 1808 could affect the first and fourth clauses of Section Nine." That sound like it was against the rules to amend the first and fouth clauses until something changed that rule in 1808. I think what it is supposed to mean is: "No amendment made prior to 1808 affected the first and fourth clauses of Section Nine." Is that correct? please clarify. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 03:15, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:No, it *was* against the "rules". Article 5 of the constitution specifically prohibited ammending the Article 1, section 9, until 1808.

::'' The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this constitution, or on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three-fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress: '''Provided, that no amendment which may be made prior to the year 1808, shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article'''; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.'' [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 03:19, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

Also, why does [[Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article]] redirect to [[Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article]]? I don't want to talk about tomorrow's article. I want clarification on today's. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 03:15, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Marijuana ==

:Long story. [[User:Raul654|&rarr;Raul654]] 03:19, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

In the article it says, "Black supports the legalization of marijuana and referred to those who wished to keep it banned as 'old fucking shrivs' in the Tenacious D song, 'City Hall'." This seems a little slack to me. Although I'm not saying I don't believe that Jack Black supports the legalization of Marijuana, there should be a citation other than the lyrics of a commedy song. In the same song, Black calls for such things as riots to tear down society and for public and private transportation to be replaced by "tube" travelling. However, the article doesn't state these as opinions. If Black supports the legalization of Marijuana, we should have a better source than this.

[[User:Povins|Povins]] 19:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright. No one has responded to my post in the last week or so. I'm going to remove the text until someone has a better source.

[[User:Povins|Povins]] 16:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== nacho libre? ==

salary $40 million, this is definitely untrue!![[User:81.153.14.252|81.153.14.252]] 18:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

== Requested move ==

{{polltop}} '''Move''' to [[Jack Black]]. [[User:Duja|Duja]] 07:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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[[Jack Black (actor)]] → [[Jack Black]] — Links throughout Wikipedia that refer to ANY person named Jack Black refer to the actor 10 times as much as all the other Jack Blacks combined (this can be seen by checking the What Links Here pages for each. There are very few links to the other Jack Blacks.) So we know the other Jack Blacks are not extremely significant figures. Second, if you check what links to the plain Jack Black ->[[w:Special:Whatlinkshere/Jack Black]], you'll notice virtually ALL refer to the actor. Thus, many links are leading to a disambiguation page when none is necessary. The actor is '''by far''' the most common person searched for named Jack Black. Thus, we should follow the [[Michael Jackson]] rule here. [[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 19:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

===Survey===

Add &nbsp;<tt><big><nowiki>* '''Support'''</nowiki></big></tt>&nbsp; or &nbsp;<tt><big><nowiki>* '''Oppose'''</nowiki></big></tt>&nbsp; on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.

* '''Support''' for the reasons listed above. - [[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 19:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Weak Oppose''' I love Jack Black, don't get me wrong, but his level of fame doesn't come close to that of Jackson's. Personally, I'd like to see all common names be taken by disambig pages, like [[Jack Black]] currently is (or at least was, until you moved it). The fact that most Jack Black links point to the disambig page is a flag that those links need to be fixed just as much as it is evidence that this page should be moved. [[User:EVula|EVula]] 20:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Support'''. The actor is much more notable than all the others uses of this name. --[[User:Serge Issakov|Serge]] 21:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Weak Support''' Support because he is the most prominent Jack Black, but weak support because it also looks like a common name, and it is true that he's not as well known as someone like Michael Jackson. [[User:Wirbelwind|Wirbelwind]] 22:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Though I plan to name my first three kids after him, Jack Black may not be the biggest Jack Black ten years from now. We should stick with the normal format--it doesn't diminish his prowess. For that matter, I wouldn't give Michael Jackson (twisted, attention-starved "adult" vestige of the popular child singer) the exclusive MJ page either. Not a battle I'd engage in, though--it'd just give him more attention, which is a mistake. Exclusive ownership of a name page on Wikipedia should be reserved for people like Benjamin Franklin and Marie Curie. -[[User:EHM02667|Eric]] [[User talk:EHM02667|^(talk)]] 14:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

** I'm sorry, "how they got famous" is not a reason for rejecting the move. Just because you don't like what Michael Jackson has done, it shouldn't affect what his article title is. Similarly, it doesn't matter that Jack Black '''may''' not be the biggest Jack Black 10 years from now. Benjamin Franklin '''may''' not be the most famous one 10 years from now either. And if and when that happens, we can deal with it then. - [[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 14:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Weak Support''' per Wirbelwind --[[User:Arvedui|Arvedui]] 09:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. The issue is relative noteworthiness not absolute (i.e., what would most users be seeking when typing a particular name). And no need to try and predict the future fame of persons of the same name; the change can be made then if needed. — <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">[[User talk:AjaxSmack|<font style="color:#fef;background:navy;">'''&nbsp;AjaxSmack&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span> 10:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per nom. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 07:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

===Discussion===

Add any additional comments:

* Response to some people above - he may not be as famous as Michael Jackson, but it's pretty close when you consider his fame '''relative''' to other people named Jack Black. Nobody else comes close - as I mentioned, look at how few links there are to the "secondary" Jack Blacks. Consider [[John Adams]] (and see [[John Adams (disambiguation)]]). Far more people are named "John Adams" than "Jack Black", yet the fact that one single John Adams is far more popular than the others is why the article is not named "John Adams (former U.S. president)". I'm not sure what the rule of thumb is, but the fact that 90%+ links to "Jack Black" are intended for the actor should mean something. As a secondary reason, it's a lot less work to move this page than to change every single link to "Jack Black". --[[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 23:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

** Response to above "I'm sorry...": Don't be sorry. I'm not opposing it for that reason; I don't think we should create precedents that might spawn time-consuming discussions like this over every famous person whose fans want them to have a Wiki-exclusive on their name. I certainly was not saying that my opinion of MJ's antics should be the determining factor in titling his article. I also think it's a safe bet that Ben Franklin will still be a household name in ten years. -[[User:EHM02667|Eric]] [[User talk:EHM02667|^(talk)]] 14:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

**Good point, Ajax. -[[User:EHM02667|Eric]] [[User talk:EHM02667|^(talk)]] 12:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

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== Vandalism ==

"JACK BLACK NEVER FUCKIN' DIES, BITCHES! JACK BLACK > ALL! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Black"

Would someone please fix this? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:71.146.53.125|71.146.53.125]] ([[User talk:71.146.53.125|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.146.53.125|contribs]]){{#if:03:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)|&#32;03:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Award Winning? ==

The main description of this article claims that Black is award winning. However, the rest of the article fails to detail what awards he has won. Can anyone add that? [[User:Mmeyers|Mmeyers]] 22:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm, according to [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0085312/awards IMDB] he won a Blockbuster Entertainment Award, a DVD Exclusive Award and a [[MTV Movie Awards|MTV Movie Award]]. All three aren't very big awards or that notable that we should mention this in the lead paragraph, so I'm removing the "award-winning" bit. --[[User:ContiE|Conti]]|[[User talk:ContiE|&#9993;]] 22:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, I think an MTV Movie Award is notable enough. I'd be for including "award-winning" as long as which awards he received is included later in the article. [[User:Mmeyers|Mmeyers]] 17:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

==Saving Silverman==

Jack Black was not the lead in [[Saving Silverman]], that would be [[Jason Biggs]]. I don't want to start an edit war, but do not be misleading.--<font color="red">[[User:Farquaadhnchmn|Farquaadhnchmn]]</font><font color="green">_{([[User talk:Farquaadhnchmn|Dungeon]])}</font> 22:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Arrested Development ==

Regarding the statement in the trivia section that JB made a cameo in [[Arrested Development (TV Series)|Arrested Development]] episode 302, "[[For British Eyes Only]]": none of the darts players look that much like JB. Does someone have a cite for this? If not, I would vote to remove it, as much as I wish it were true.

[[User:Xcolour|Xcolour]] 08:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

:Right after the barkeep tells Michael "unless you're just here for the Poppins", Jack looks almost directly at the camera. He's wearing a beret, and clean-shaven, but it's him, all right. I don't think it was a credited role, so citing it may be tricky...though it seems a moot point as the trivia section is gone now.

:[[User:EdenMaster|EdenMaster]] 08:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

== Acceptable.tv ==

Someone should also add to the article Jack Black's role in Accetable.tv and VH1. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/70.118.91.52|70.118.91.52]] ([[User talk:70.118.91.52|talk]]) 18:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->