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|title=Jack Black's secret jerk-off tape?

|date=October 5, 2004

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|url=http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/movies/jack-blacks-secret-jerk-off-tape-update-022661.php}}

==Defamer article==

== Project Parentage ==

From the ''Defamer'' article:

:''Hours of tireless research and a few friendly e-mails from Black’s publicist have disabused us of the notion that any onanistic camera work exists, and that the Wikipedia submitter is having some fun at the actor’s expense. ($9.99? Nothing that good ever happens to us.)''

:''Yes, our thoughts on the truth-telling skills of celebrity publicists are well documented, but there’s no good reason to be skeptical in this instance. Black doesn’t even have a website (Tenacious D’s notwithstanding), unless he’s moonlighting in Arizona real estate, and the flack notes JB’s been in New Zealand shooting King Kong since August. While we’re pretty sure masturbation is legal in New Zealand, we imagine it would be exceedingly difficult to use one of Peter Jackson’s expensive movie cameras to shoot this kind of DVD bonus feature for the fans.''

==Another Jack Black==

On the meta page it says we do not have a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject]] parent. I propose we list our parent as [[WikiProject Geography]]. [[User:Davodd|Davodd]] 01:16, Feb 27, 2004 (UTC)

There's a problem, there are two jack blacks. One that is an actor, and one that wrote the book [[You Can't Win]]

:Yes we know, that's why this article is called '''Jack Black <u>(actor)</u>'''

==Dead US v Amer Kennedy's==

Jack Black uses almost the same set of facial expressions as lead singer, Jello Biafra, of the Dead Kennedy's. Find some live footage, you'll see what I mean.

<P>[[User:24.4.12.186|24.4.12.186]] 09:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Req. Image==

honestly didnt spot the proposed distiction. and Am. SW is a whole other thing from Am. Mid-Atl states. [[User:Jengod|jengod]] 06:16, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)

<!-- Yes I realise I am top-posting-->Hi, the image on this article is fairly OK, but we need a bigger (and better!) one. It's on [[WP:RI|Wikipedia - Requested Images]] --[[User:Kilo-Lima|Kilo-Lima]] 00:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

== We Need To Work Together ==

== Jack Black - another movie appearence ==

I cannot help but feel that we are hampering each others efforts by not collaborating more with each other. [[Wikipedia]] is a ''community'' of people building an encyclopedia, a wikiproject is a department or sub-group, so in theory it should be more close-knit than the larger community. Our project is not functioning as a ''community'' and if we do not begin to at least collaborate more with each other our project will fail.

Jack Black was in The Neverending Story 3 (1994). He played the character Slip, Leader of The Nasties. source - www.imdb.com

This does not mean that you have to know that [[User: Jfitts| Jfitts]] is originally from [[Scottsbluff, Nebraska]] or that [[User: jengod| jengod]] has a

Bachelor of Arts in English from [[Stanford University| Stanford]], though it certainly wouldn't hurt. The key problem lies in that more often than not project participants do not know what other participants are doing. I posted a notice that [[User: Davodd| Davodd]] and I had completed the unofficial regions template and infobox, yet there has been no discussion on it and the official regions article prototype is worthless without others contributions. In short we need a better way of communicating with each other, and notifying participants of changes and current policies.

== Anchorman ==

I propose that in addition to the project page we have a community page, that would function as a hub for our project. Please review the proposal at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Regions/Community Community].

He also had a small role in [[Anchorman:_The_Legend_of_Ron_Burgundy|Anchorman (2004)]]

--[[User:JCarriker|JCarriker]] 06:49, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)

:I think the Community page is a good idea. I have not had the time to participate in this project as much as I would like, so it has been difficult to keep up with exactly what others are doing and what needs to be reviewed or discussed. Having one place I can check in on to see what's currently going on and what needs to be done would be very helpful. [[User:Jfitts|Jfitts]] 16:25, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

:That role is uncredited

:After thinking about it some more, I would suggest another section be added to the Community Page. A section that shows what each of us is currently working on would be helpful, both for coordination and accountability. Participants could move items from the Work Needed section to the section that shows that they are currently working on it. This would be especially helpful for large tasks that involve multiple articles and would more time to complete. It would be reassuring to know someone is working on it, and others would know who to coordinate with if they wanted to help. [[User:Jfitts|Jfitts]] 16:46, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

== Picture ==

==Non-Participation==

Can we get a better picture? Something from Tenacious D, perhaps. Seems more fitting, given what hes better known for.

Just wanted to let you all know that I'm removing myself from formal participating in this project, in part because I don't think it needs to be so formal. I think that identifying a list of regions, and identifying some topics that should be covered in articles about them (history, boundaries, maps, significance) is worthwhile, but I think taxoboxes and rigid naming conventions are excessive for what regions are: informal affilations of people by geography. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Good luck! [[User:Jengod|jengod]] 21:59, Mar 29, 2004 (UTC)

I agree, especially since that's what he most typically looks like anyway.

:I hope that you will reconsider your decision to leave the project, you have been a very good contributor. Please stay and discuss the matters you disagree with, I'm not sure about the taxoboxes but I'm sure that something can be worked out the naming conventions. Balance is something that is very important if you feel that things are getting excessive, I wish that you would stay and try to work out a compromise. Also if you leave there will not be no female participants.

:-[[User:JCarriker|JCarriker]] 22:18, Mar 29, 2004 (UTC)

==X Files==

I'm watching the X Files now, with this lightning boy, and he looks like the owner of some video arcade in this episode. I'm not sure, but it sure looks like him. Not sure to put it in the article though, this is a very old episode and I'm not sure if it's exactly him.

: Yes, he takes part in some episode of "The X Files" (episode # 3.3: "D.P.O.", acording to [http://www.caaien.com/jackblack/filmtv.html The Greatest Jack Black Site in the World], but I personally don't remember to have seen him, though it's possible, I didn't know him at the time when I've probably watched the episode. --[[User:Tzeck|Tzeck]] 11:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I do confirm so, I've just watched the episode and he was in the credits

==Tenacious D==

This makes no mention of perhaps the single most responsible role for his current stardom, and that is the one of himself in the HBO show "Tenacious D."

: So tell us about it! The great thing about Wikipedia is that anyone, yes anyone, even you, can add information. I know next to nothing about that, so why don't you enlighten us? --[[User:Jacqui M Schedler|Jacqui M Schedler]] 04:43, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

==Projects in the mill==

So, does anyone else have information regarding Black's upcoming projects? It feels unfair to single a couple of them out by name in the article, when there are 5 or so in the pipeline for the next two years. --[[User:Jacqui M Schedler|Jacqui M Schedler]] 05:09, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

: With respect, an encycopedia doesn't give out this kind of information. People should see links to his IMDB page or whatever if they want that sort of information.

:: (please sign your comments) I agree, and with that, I am taking the section with new projects that have not yet been released, out. --[[User:Jacqui M Schedler|Jacquelyn Marie]] 18:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

::: i don't agree as some of the future work is about set in stone, he will star in the king kong remake, why is it so wrong to show that on wiki. once the movie has been released the piece could be added to the article.

== Animated image ==

The animated image here is awfully distracting. Perhaps another still image would be a better in its place. [[User:Meeve|Meeve]] 08:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

:hmmm, after looking at the context, it seems that a still image wouldn't work in this case. The animation can make it difficult to read the page, though. [[User:Meeve|Meeve]] 08:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

== POV Issue ==

"Black is perhaps best-known in for his role as the greedy 1930s-era film director Carl Denham in Peter Jackson's remake of King Kong."

This seems to have a conflict in POV to me. Not only do I disagree with the statement (School of Rock was definitively Black's rise to being a household name) but it's got definitive POV.

:It does say "perhaps". But if you disagree go ahead and change it. A good idea would be to list a few of his roles. [[User:JackO'Lantern|JackO&#39;Lantern]] 05:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

== PitFall! ==

According on the [[Pitfall!]] article, his first acting job was a commercial for the game. The game is quite popular, so prehaps this should be added to the article?

== Vandalism ==

--Black was born in [[Richard King's basement under Studio 8H]] to a middle-class [[Jewish Americans|Jewish]] family. His parents, George Washington and Martha Stewart, were Janitors and members of a [[naturist]] group, Family Synergy [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=2375]. They divorced when he was -0.

Sigh...--[[User:tdxiang|<font color="#E32636">Tdxi</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font color="#006600">a</font>]][[User:tdxiang|<font color="#E32636">ng</font>]] 陈 鼎 翔 [[User Talk:tdxiang|<font color="#66FF00">(Talk)</font>]][[Special:Contributions|<font color="blue">Contributions</font>Contributions]] [irc://irc.freenode.net/tdxiang Chat with Tdxiang on IRC!] 09:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==References==

I have converted everything to the new meta cite.php format. Hope this makes things easier. '''[[User:Kilo-Lima/Esperanza|<font color="green">K</font>]]'''[[User:Kilo-Lima|ilo-Lima]]|^{[[User talk:Kilo-Lima|(talk)]]} 15:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

== New image ==

I've added another free image from the commons that was actually seen on the French Wikipedia. '''[[User:Kilo-Lima/Esperanza|<font color="green">K</font>]]'''[[User:Kilo-Lima|ilo-Lima]]|^{[[User talk:Kilo-Lima|(talk)]]} 12:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there any way that a better image can be put up? It shows only half of his face and hes doing something weird with his mouth. [[User:Sfrostee|Sfrostee]] 14 December 2006

== Acting career ==

The "Acting career" section should include things like "High Fidelity," "School of Rock," and "King Kong," not a small voice-acting bit and the intro to a failed pilot.--[[User:Not a slave|Josh]] 19:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

== Religion ==

In a few of his songs he can be quoted as saying "Dianetics junior much better than krishna...Dianetics Junior much better indeed" (another city hall lyric i believe). Is Jack Black a practioner of Dianetics or Scientology? or are they simply lyrics. A google search had not yielded any results, can anyone clarify and possibly update this in the wiki? All we know is he grew up in a jewish household. {{unsigned|81.107.151.178|19:38, May 13, 2006}}

:Black was raised Jewish and is currently an atheist. Those lyrics actually come from "Kielbasa," and they're just weird lyrics.--[[User:Not a slave|Josh]] 13:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

::Are you sure? I remember him saying on a special feature to the ''School of Rock'' that he said "[You know?] Because I'm a Jew." '''[[User:Kilo-Lima/Esperanza|<font color="green">K</font>]]'''[[User:Kilo-Lima|ilo-Lima]]|^{[[User talk:Kilo-Lima|(talk)]]} 16:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

::: He's not an atheist, he still is Jewish, and does not identify him as anything else.

== COMPUTERMAN ==

Does anyone knows about COMPUTERMAN, a online series in wich Black participated?--[[User:Zebras-en|Zebras-en]] 03:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

== Marijuana ==

In the article it says, "Black supports the legalization of marijuana and referred to those who wished to keep it banned as 'old fucking shrivs' in the Tenacious D song, 'City Hall'." This seems a little slack to me. Although I'm not saying I don't believe that Jack Black supports the legalization of Marijuana, there should be a citation other than the lyrics of a commedy song. In the same song, Black calls for such things as riots to tear down society and for public and private transportation to be replaced by "tube" travelling. However, the article doesn't state these as opinions. If Black supports the legalization of Marijuana, we should have a better source than this.

[[User:Povins|Povins]] 19:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright. No one has responded to my post in the last week or so. I'm going to remove the text until someone has a better source.

[[User:Povins|Povins]] 16:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== nacho libre? ==

salary $40 million, this is definitely untrue!![[User:81.153.14.252|81.153.14.252]] 18:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

== Requested move ==

{{polltop}} '''Move''' to [[Jack Black]]. [[User:Duja|Duja]] 07:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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[[Jack Black (actor)]] → [[Jack Black]] — Links throughout Wikipedia that refer to ANY person named Jack Black refer to the actor 10 times as much as all the other Jack Blacks combined (this can be seen by checking the What Links Here pages for each. There are very few links to the other Jack Blacks.) So we know the other Jack Blacks are not extremely significant figures. Second, if you check what links to the plain Jack Black ->[[w:Special:Whatlinkshere/Jack Black]], you'll notice virtually ALL refer to the actor. Thus, many links are leading to a disambiguation page when none is necessary. The actor is '''by far''' the most common person searched for named Jack Black. Thus, we should follow the [[Michael Jackson]] rule here. [[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 19:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Greetings. I'm not sure what you're looking for from me. I have some interest in U.S. Regions, mostly in historical terms. I was primarily interested in following this project as a more or less passive participant. I'll keep an eye on things and if I see something that I have thoughts on, I'll share them here. Good luck. [[User:Bkonrad|Bkonrad]] | [[User talk:Bkonrad|Talk]] 23:30, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

===Survey===

Add &nbsp;<tt><big><nowiki>* '''Support'''</nowiki></big></tt>&nbsp; or &nbsp;<tt><big><nowiki>* '''Oppose'''</nowiki></big></tt>&nbsp; on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.

* '''Support''' for the reasons listed above. - [[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 19:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Weak Oppose''' I love Jack Black, don't get me wrong, but his level of fame doesn't come close to that of Jackson's. Personally, I'd like to see all common names be taken by disambig pages, like [[Jack Black]] currently is (or at least was, until you moved it). The fact that most Jack Black links point to the disambig page is a flag that those links need to be fixed just as much as it is evidence that this page should be moved. [[User:EVula|EVula]] 20:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Support'''. The actor is much more notable than all the others uses of this name. --[[User:Serge Issakov|Serge]] 21:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Weak Support''' Support because he is the most prominent Jack Black, but weak support because it also looks like a common name, and it is true that he's not as well known as someone like Michael Jackson. [[User:Wirbelwind|Wirbelwind]] 22:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Though I plan to name my first three kids after him, Jack Black may not be the biggest Jack Black ten years from now. We should stick with the normal format--it doesn't diminish his prowess. For that matter, I wouldn't give Michael Jackson (twisted, attention-starved "adult" vestige of the popular child singer) the exclusive MJ page either. Not a battle I'd engage in, though--it'd just give him more attention, which is a mistake. Exclusive ownership of a name page on Wikipedia should be reserved for people like Benjamin Franklin and Marie Curie. -[[User:EHM02667|Eric]] [[User talk:EHM02667|^(talk)]] 14:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

** I'm sorry, "how they got famous" is not a reason for rejecting the move. Just because you don't like what Michael Jackson has done, it shouldn't affect what his article title is. Similarly, it doesn't matter that Jack Black '''may''' not be the biggest Jack Black 10 years from now. Benjamin Franklin '''may''' not be the most famous one 10 years from now either. And if and when that happens, we can deal with it then. - [[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 14:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

* '''Weak Support''' per Wirbelwind --[[User:Arvedui|Arvedui]] 09:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. The issue is relative noteworthiness not absolute (i.e., what would most users be seeking when typing a particular name). And no need to try and predict the future fame of persons of the same name; the change can be made then if needed. — <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">[[User talk:AjaxSmack|<font style="color:#fef;background:navy;">'''&nbsp;AjaxSmack&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span> 10:25, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per nom. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 07:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

===Discussion===

Add any additional comments:

* Response to some people above - he may not be as famous as Michael Jackson, but it's pretty close when you consider his fame '''relative''' to other people named Jack Black. Nobody else comes close - as I mentioned, look at how few links there are to the "secondary" Jack Blacks. Consider [[John Adams]] (and see [[John Adams (disambiguation)]]). Far more people are named "John Adams" than "Jack Black", yet the fact that one single John Adams is far more popular than the others is why the article is not named "John Adams (former U.S. president)". I'm not sure what the rule of thumb is, but the fact that 90%+ links to "Jack Black" are intended for the actor should mean something. As a secondary reason, it's a lot less work to move this page than to change every single link to "Jack Black". --[[User:Bssc81|Bssc81]] 23:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

** Response to above "I'm sorry...": Don't be sorry. I'm not opposing it for that reason; I don't think we should create precedents that might spawn time-consuming discussions like this over every famous person whose fans want them to have a Wiki-exclusive on their name. I certainly was not saying that my opinion of MJ's antics should be the determining factor in titling his article. I also think it's a safe bet that Ben Franklin will still be a household name in ten years. -[[User:EHM02667|Eric]] [[User talk:EHM02667|^(talk)]] 14:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

**Good point, Ajax. -[[User:EHM02667|Eric]] [[User talk:EHM02667|^(talk)]] 12:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

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== Vandalism ==

"JACK BLACK NEVER FUCKIN' DIES, BITCHES! JACK BLACK > ALL! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Black"

Would someone please fix this? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:71.146.53.125|71.146.53.125]] ([[User talk:71.146.53.125|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/71.146.53.125|contribs]]){{#if:03:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)|&#32;03:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Award Winning? ==

The main description of this article claims that Black is award winning. However, the rest of the article fails to detail what awards he has won. Can anyone add that? [[User:Mmeyers|Mmeyers]] 22:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm, according to [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0085312/awards IMDB] he won a Blockbuster Entertainment Award, a DVD Exclusive Award and a [[MTV Movie Awards|MTV Movie Award]]. All three aren't very big awards or that notable that we should mention this in the lead paragraph, so I'm removing the "award-winning" bit. --[[User:ContiE|Conti]]|[[User talk:ContiE|&#9993;]] 22:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, I think an MTV Movie Award is notable enough. I'd be for including "award-winning" as long as which awards he received is included later in the article. [[User:Mmeyers|Mmeyers]] 17:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

==Saving Silverman==

Jack Black was not the lead in [[Saving Silverman]], that would be [[Jason Biggs]]. I don't want to start an edit war, but do not be misleading.--<font color="red">[[User:Farquaadhnchmn|Farquaadhnchmn]]</font><font color="green">_{([[User talk:Farquaadhnchmn|Dungeon]])}</font> 22:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Arrested Development ==

Regarding the statement in the trivia section that JB made a cameo in [[Arrested Development (TV Series)|Arrested Development]] episode 302, "[[For British Eyes Only]]": none of the darts players look that much like JB. Does someone have a cite for this? If not, I would vote to remove it, as much as I wish it were true.

[[User:Xcolour|Xcolour]] 08:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

:Right after the barkeep tells Michael "unless you're just here for the Poppins", Jack looks almost directly at the camera. He's wearing a beret, and clean-shaven, but it's him, all right. I don't think it was a credited role, so citing it may be tricky...though it seems a moot point as the trivia section is gone now.

:[[User:EdenMaster|EdenMaster]] 08:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

== Acceptable.tv ==

Someone should also add to the article Jack Black's role in Accetable.tv and VH1. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/70.118.91.52|70.118.91.52]] ([[User talk:70.118.91.52|talk]]) 18:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->