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== Versions? ==

This article has a section on 'editions' (SE, ME, etc). But nothing on the differences between versions. Java 1.7 (and 1.8, though not yet finalized) is in some ways quite a different languages from 1.0. Does anyone think there ought to be a 'Versions' section with ''brief'' notes on the main changes (or perhaps just the language changes) in each version? These could include links to information on the relevant topic elsewhere on WP. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.186.147.69|86.186.147.69]] ([[User talk:86.186.147.69#top|talk]]) 21:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)</small>

== List of Java Frameworks ==

Please add the page "List of Java Frameworks" to the "see also" section. [[Special:Contributions/2003:C0:873B:8B00:E03F:D261:D63C:AB57|2003:C0:873B:8B00:E03F:D261:D63C:AB57]] ([[User talk:2003:C0:873B:8B00:E03F:D261:D63C:AB57|talk]]) 10:35, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

== Merger proposalDuke ==

Any background on the "mascot"? Who made it? What is it supposed to look like? Why "Duke"? --[[User:BjKa|BjKa]] ([[User talk:BjKa|talk]]) 11:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

I propose to merge [[Java version history]] into [[Java (programming language)#Versions]]. I see this as the natural follow up to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Java version history]] which was recently closed as keep. There is important information on [[Java version history]], but the state of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] about the subject remains unclear. {{u|Modernponderer}} helpfully linked to some sources at the deletion discussion, and I believe those sources are an excellent reason to include this information here, but I still don't see the logic in maintaining version history as a separate article. None of the sources provided are about Java version history, they're about modifications to the Java programming language that were made with each new version; ''precisely the type of information that belongs in the the history section of this article''. That's an important distinction that wasn't stressed enough in the deletion discussion. ''Java version history'' as it exists now is just too much of a violation of [[WP:NOTDIRECTORY]], with far too little notability of the subject itself, to qualify for an individual article, and the series of ''keep per x'' votes with little or no explanation following the relisting, don't change that. --[[User:Puzzledvegetable|<u style="color:#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#000000">Puzzledvegetable</span></u>]]<b><sup style="font-family:Century Gothic">[[User talk:Puzzledvegetable|Is it teatime already?]]</sup></b> 16:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

== Bring back the simple hello world program ==

===Discussion===

Vote '''NO MERGE''' - only because this is being used as an alternate way to delete the "[[Java version history]]" article right after it was voted down. • [[User:Sbmeirow|<span style="color:#8D38C9;">Sbmeirow</span>]] • [[User talk:Sbmeirow|<span style="color:#8D38C9;White;">Talk</span>]] • 17:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:"[V]oted down" is too strong. Deletion discussions are supposed to seek [[WP:CONSENSUS]], rather than count votes. The discussion was relisted due to lack of consensus, and nothing changed. Nearly every subsequent edit fell under the category of [[WP:NOTARG]]. The discussion, which was closed by a non-sysop, should have been closed as ''no consensus'' or else left for a more experienced sysop to close. Ordinarily, this would warrant renomination, but seeing as I don't actually agree with the nom that it warrants deletion, I am seeking consensus about a merger instead. --[[User:Puzzledvegetable|<u style="color:#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Century Gothic;color:#000000">Puzzledvegetable</span></u>]]<b><sup style="font-family:Century Gothic">[[User talk:Puzzledvegetable|Is it teatime already?]]</sup></b> 18:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:'''no merge''' This article is already long enough. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 21:49, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

:'''no merge''' Agree, this article is already long enough. [[User:Peterl|peterl]] ([[User talk:Peterl|talk]]) 06:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

:'''Speedy close''' as the proposal would be in gross violation of [[WP:SIZERULE]] – unless of course this would actually be an end run around the recent deletion discussion as has already been suspected here, with the vast majority of the article in question's content being removed. [[User:Modernponderer|Modernponderer]] ([[User talk:Modernponderer|talk]]) 01:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

:'''no merge''' I agree this seems like someone trying to weasel around the earlier deletion being shotdown. *IF* I were to even entertain this idea (and it totally violates several things including [[WP:SIZERULE]]), I would rather see it merged in the other direction where the Java language history is merged into the larger Java platform history. Merging the platform history into the language history seems like a good way to subsequently remove the platform history as it would no longer be on topic after the merge and could be removed over time. —[[User:Uzume|Uzume]] ([[User talk:Uzume|talk]]) 14:26, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

:'''No merge''' this is pretty obviously too long to belong on the main page unless the information is shortened greatly, which I think would be a mistake. [[Special:Contributions/172.73.179.154|172.73.179.154]] ([[User talk:172.73.179.154|talk]]) 15:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

: If you people are going to merge, kindly merge all contents. As belong to java world, this page is really helpful for us. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.173.61.65|122.173.61.65]] ([[User talk:122.173.61.65#top|talk]]) 10:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== "Java Programming Language language" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==

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Coming in java 25 LTS (due 2025/09/16):

== implementation dependencies ==

<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1">

void main() {

System.out.println("Hello, World!");

}

</syntaxhighlight>

--[[Special:Contributions/2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF]] ([[User talk:2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|talk]]) 11:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== History ==

The lead section says "designed to have as few implementation dependencies as possible". Can we add some clarification as to what this means? Are these implementation dependencies referring to implementation of the language itself (JVM) or programs written in Java? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:2BE0:CB80:95B0:AB36:5DEF:1924|2600:1702:2BE0:CB80:95B0:AB36:5DEF:1924]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:2BE0:CB80:95B0:AB36:5DEF:1924|talk]]) 04:34, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

The article currently says ''Sun Microsystems released the first public implementation as Java 1.0 in 1996'' yet the authority it cites says <u>''Since its announcement in May 1995, Java has been widely used''</u>. Therefore I am not sure when the first public implementation was released. [[User:Sam Tomato|Sam Tomato]] ([[User talk:Sam Tomato|talk]]) 05:18, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

== Requested move 16 May 2022 ==

:Yeah, currently the history section and the date in the infobox disagree. We need to figure this out. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 20:01, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

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The announcement was in May 1995. And the public release was in 1996. There is no conflict? -- --[[Special:Contributions/2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF]] ([[User talk:2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|talk]]) 11:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

* [[:Java (programming language)]] → {{no redirect|Java}}

* [[:Java]] → {{no redirect|Java (island)}}

– Per [[WP:PTOPIC]]. xtools says that [[Java]] had 94,580 views in the last 60 days, with [[Java (programming language)]] having over roughly eleven times as much views (1,041,585). [[User:Rusty4321|<span style="background-color:#441;color:#fe2">'''Rusty4321'''</span>]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Rusty4321|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/Rusty4321|contributions]]&nbsp;[[Special:Log/Rusty4321|log]]} 23:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose 1st''', '''Support 2nd''' —&nbsp;and '''move the disambiguation page''' ([[Java (disambiguation)]]) to the basename. Primary topic swaps are often messy, especially at this magnitude. However, I strongly believe there's no primary topic between • the programming language, •&nbsp;the island, and possibly • the coffee —&nbsp;and the safest bet would be to have the disambiguation page at the basename. <small>[[User:Paintspot|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot|talk]])</small> 01:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Strong oppose''' Java programming language move. That owuld only be a PTOPIC to a computer programmer. To a web user, it could mean JavaScript (ECMAscript) instead of JAVA. Even then it would not be the primary topic. Instead it would be either the island, or a generic term for [[coffee]] (which the programming language even acknowledges with its cup-of-coffee logo). Instead the disambiguation page should be at the primary ___location. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.247.17|65.92.247.17]] ([[User talk:65.92.247.17|talk]]) 02:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

** If the dab page is made primary, the island, programming language and coffee should be moved to the top as "may generally refer to" as a top section. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.247.17|65.92.247.17]] ([[User talk:65.92.247.17|talk]]) 02:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose 1st''', '''Support 2nd''', move DAB to base name. No PRIMARY.--[[User:Ortizesp|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp|talk]]) 03:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose 1st''', '''support 2nd''', move [[Java (disambiguation)]] → [[Java]]. The programming language dominates search results and page views, and has slightly more incoming links. It seems to be the [[WP:primary topic|primary topic]] by usage around the English-speaking world. However, the island remains primary by long-term significance. Where the two criteria disagree, putting the dab at the base name serves our readers best. Even if justified, a new primary topic would break a lot of incoming external links. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 08:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

:<small>Note: WikiProjects [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation|Disambiguation]], [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indonesia|Indonesia]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Software|Software]] have been notified of this discussion. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 09:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</small>

*'''Comment''' - an island of 130 million people (in itself larger than all but just a handful of whole countries) and 1000s of year history may not be the primary topic? I get that we wikipedians are a bunch of early 20th century computer geeks, but a programming language is rather insignificant and transient in relation to the island of Java. --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 09:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)