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== Versions? ==

This article has a section on 'editions' (SE, ME, etc). But nothing on the differences between versions. Java 1.7 (and 1.8, though not yet finalized) is in some ways quite a different languages from 1.0. Does anyone think there ought to be a 'Versions' section with ''brief'' notes on the main changes (or perhaps just the language changes) in each version? These could include links to information on the relevant topic elsewhere on WP. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.186.147.69|86.186.147.69]] ([[User talk:86.186.147.69#top|talk]]) 21:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)</small>

== "Java Programming Language language" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==

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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect [[:Java Programming Language language]]. The discussion will occur at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 15#Java Programming Language language]] until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> - '''[[User:Champion|<big>C</big><small>HAMPION</small>]]''' ^{([[User_talk:Champion#Top|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Champion|contributions]]) ([[Special:Logs/Champion|logs]])} 23:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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== implementation dependencies ==

The lead section says "designed to have as few implementation dependencies as possible". Can we add some clarification as to what this means? Are these implementation dependencies referring to implementation of the language itself (JVM) or programs written in Java? [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:2BE0:CB80:95B0:AB36:5DEF:1924|2600:1702:2BE0:CB80:95B0:AB36:5DEF:1924]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:2BE0:CB80:95B0:AB36:5DEF:1924|talk]]) 04:34, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

== Requested move 16 May 2022 ==

<div class="boilerplate" style="background-color: #efe; margin: 0; padding: 0 10px 0 10px; border: 1px dotted #aaa;"><!-- Template:RM top -->

:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''

The result of the move request was: '''Not moved.''' Pretty much a snowball close for the first option, more opposes than supports for second option and historic oposition to moving on the page concerened points to a consensus against moving. [[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]): 18:41, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

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== List of Java Frameworks ==

* [[:Java (programming language)]] → {{no redirect|Java}}

* [[:Java]] → {{no redirect|Java (island)}}

– Per [[WP:PTOPIC]]. xtools says that [[Java]] had 94,580 views in the last 60 days, with [[Java (programming language)]] having over roughly eleven times as much views (1,041,585). [[User:Rusty4321|<span style="background-color:#441;color:#fe2">'''Rusty4321'''</span>]]&nbsp;^{[[User talk:Rusty4321|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/Rusty4321|contributions]]&nbsp;[[Special:Log/Rusty4321|log]]} 23:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose 1st''', '''Support 2nd''' —&nbsp;and '''move the disambiguation page''' ([[Java (disambiguation)]]) to the basename. Primary topic swaps are often messy, especially at this magnitude. However, I generally believe there's no primary topic between • the programming language, •&nbsp;the island, and possibly • the coffee —&nbsp;and the safest bet might be to have the disambiguation page at the basename. <small>[[User:Paintspot|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot|talk]])</small> 01:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Strong oppose''' Java programming language move. That owuld only be a PTOPIC to a computer programmer. To a web user, it could mean JavaScript (ECMAscript) instead of JAVA. Even then it would not be the primary topic. Instead it would be either the island, or a generic term for [[coffee]] (which the programming language even acknowledges with its cup-of-coffee logo). Instead the disambiguation page should be at the primary ___location. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.247.17|65.92.247.17]] ([[User talk:65.92.247.17|talk]]) 02:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

** If the dab page is made primary, the island, programming language and coffee should be moved to the top as "may generally refer to" as a top section. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.247.17|65.92.247.17]] ([[User talk:65.92.247.17|talk]]) 02:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose 1st''', '''Support 2nd''', move DAB to base name. No PRIMARY.--[[User:Ortizesp|Ortizesp]] ([[User talk:Ortizesp|talk]]) 03:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose 1st''', '''support 2nd''', move [[Java (disambiguation)]] → [[Java]]. The programming language dominates search results and page views, and has slightly more incoming links. It seems to be the [[WP:primary topic|primary topic]] by usage around the English-speaking world. However, the island remains primary by long-term significance. Where the two criteria disagree, putting the dab at the base name serves our readers best. Even if justified, a new primary topic would break a lot of incoming external links. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 08:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

:<small>Note: WikiProjects [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation|Disambiguation]], [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indonesia|Indonesia]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Software|Software]] have been notified of this discussion. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 09:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)</small>

*'''Comment''' - an island of 130 million people (in itself larger than all but just a handful of whole countries) and 1000s of year history may not be the primary topic? I get that we wikipedians are a bunch of early 21st century computer geeks, but a programming language is rather insignificant and transient in relation to the island of Java. --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 09:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Please add the page "List of Java Frameworks" to the "see also" section. [[Special:Contributions/2003:C0:873B:8B00:E03F:D261:D63C:AB57|2003:C0:873B:8B00:E03F:D261:D63C:AB57]] ([[User talk:2003:C0:873B:8B00:E03F:D261:D63C:AB57|talk]]) 10:35, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

*'''Strong Oppose''' - this is very similar to the attempted argument that Tasmania is not in Australia - it fails to understand the larger picture and context. Java as the ___location is the primary/first level in historical and other senses, while the programming item might be something in the visual capacity of a particular audience, however this is an online encyclopedia. If it ends up with culturally narrow terms trumping the original name, by the reasoning given so far, then by precedence, a large number of current primary topics might be expected to be usurped by tangential, ephemeral subjects and topics. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 09:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Java a careful read of the talk page shows this is a cyclical exercise - there have been previous discussions... [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 09:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

== Duke ==

*'''Oppose move of Java page''' - '''[[Talk:Java/Archive_1#Requested_Move_3|A previous discussion]]''' and '''[[Talk:Java/Archive_2#Requested_move_16_June_2018|another]]''' showing common sense and overwhelming acceptance that an island with a population bigger than Japan is the primary topic from which both the computer usage and (very American-centric) name for coffee derive their names. The island is the primary topic, refer [[WP:BIAS|Please, get up from your couch, change from your pyjamas, and go outside into the real world]]. To suggest otherwise is to accept systematic bias. --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 10:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Any background on the "mascot"? Who made it? What is it supposed to look like? Why "Duke"? --[[User:BjKa|BjKa]] ([[User talk:BjKa|talk]]) 11:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

*'''Strong Oppose''' - this has been discussed before. The island is of far greater significance and is more widely known than a computer language. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml"> [[User:Davidelit|Davidelit ]][[User talk:Davidelit|(Talk)]] </span> 10:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - Java programming language was named after Java Coffee which came from the Island Java is home to 147 odd million people. Java the programming language is being dropped from many platforms its not going to sustain the longevity of an Island with over 1000 years of history. Java programing language also contains a hat note to Javanese language the language spoken in Java and for which we have a separate Wikipedia as well. This change has been suggested to death please [[Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass]].

:* Java (island) → Java, '''move''', 16 June 2006, [[Special:Permalink/61259343#Requested move (2) June 16, 2006|Talk:Java (disambiguation)#Requested move (2) June 16, 2006]]

:* Java → Java (island), '''no move''', 28 October 2006, [[Special:Permalink/85365334#Requested move|Talk:Java#Requested move]]

:* Java → ?, '''not moved''', 19 January 2014, [[Special:Permalink/592464329#Requested Move 3|Talk:Java#Requested Move 3]]

:* Java → Java (island), '''not moved''', 12 June 2018, [[Talk:Java#Requested move 12 June 2018]]

:* Java → Java (island), '''not moved''', 16 June 2018, [[Talk:Java#Requested move 16 June 2018]]

* Because many of the previous discussion took place at [[Talk:Java]] doesnt change anything. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 11:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - this is the... 6th? of these RMs. I will simply quote my favorites from the previous ones:

:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=61259343#Requested_move_(2)_June_16,_2006 There's enough concession to geographically biased and challenged persons in this project already - the island came a long time earlier than the It term or the coffee.]"

:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=85365334#Requested_move Many Wikipedia ''editors'' are well-versed in computer technology and I expect that people who associate "Java" with the programming language are overrepresented here.]"

:* "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=592464329#Requested_Move_3 an island that is home to 120million people is the prime topic vs a computer language who's name is based on a nickname for coffee in turn also derived from the island.]"

: If anything, admins should ban further RMs of this specific set until either everyone is a Java programmer or the island sinks into the bottom of the ocean. Hard to tell which one will happen first. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 11:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' 1st, '''support''' 2nd, there is no clear primary topic, the island is primary by long-term significance but not usage, the DAB is the best compromise. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 12:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both'''. Because we are on the web, articles on topics related to computers often get a number of views that might otherwise seem inordinate. (In fact, arguably, this request itself is likely to receive more support on this talk page than it would have if the discussion were taking place on the island's article.) However, the island remains the primary topic. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 13:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Strong oppose'''. The island with its huge population and long history is clearly the primary topic by far. [[User:Dan Carkner|Dan Carkner]] ([[User talk:Dan Carkner|talk]]) 16:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both''' in spite of the page view ratio. Long-term significance should have preference here; also, for non-geeks, any move would go against [[WP:ASTONISH]]. –[[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 19:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

**'''Add''' Just curious about the page views, does anyone know what is going on [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2019-05-16&end=2022-05-16&pages=Java_(programming_language)|Java here]? –[[User:Austronesier|Austronesier]] ([[User talk:Austronesier|talk]]) 19:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

**:Views for [[C (programming language)]] track those for Java (pl) very closely. Perhaps they jump when university courses start and stop or switch between home and on-site working due to Covid. I can imagine 100 students each loading the page at home vs. one corporate server caching it for everyone in term time. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 22:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*<s>'''Oppose''' 1st, '''support''' 2nd -- The programming language probably fails long-term significance (depending on how long you measure 'long-term' in the future direction.), but there's no clear primary topic here. Dab page seems best.</s> [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 23:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Question:''' To those proposing the island is not the primary topic, if hypothetically, the programming language was not called "Java", but "California", what would you suggest is the primary topic? The US State or the computer language? Noting that if it was a country, Java island would be the '''8th largest''' in the world by population (larger than Russia, Mexico, Japan, Germany). It is also the central powerhouse of Indonesia, the fourth largest country in the world. California by comparison would be the '''38th largest country'''. --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 23:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*:It's an interesting point to which I can't conjure a convincing answer, so I think I'll strike my above comment. The annual pageviews for California are higher than Java (programming language), but even if they weren't I'd still say California. [[User:ProcrastinatingReader|ProcrastinatingReader]] ([[User talk:ProcrastinatingReader|talk]]) 00:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

*::Thanks for giving consideration and even changing your position. I’m sure we wouldn’t be having this discussion if the name was “California” rather than “Java”. Or “Japan” or even “Dublin”. —[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 04:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

*:::For better or worse, California takes up a much more prominent place in the global imagination than does Java. Despite its much smaller population, its article gets read by five times as many readers [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/redirectviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-04-01&end=2019-04-30&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&page=California] [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/redirectviews/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&start=2019-04-01&end=2019-04-30&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&page=Java]. – Uanfala ([[User talk:Uanfala|talk]]) 09:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

*::::It helps that California is in the Anglosphere and Java isn't. [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 15:56, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

*:::::California is not a perfect analogy, but it still works. Alternatively, and in the same vein, I doubt very much we'd be having this debate if the word was "Tokyo", "Dublin", "Fiji", "Tahiti", "Majorca" or "Greenland". --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 22:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

*::California is a region (ie. Baja, Alta, Norte, Sur, Norcal, Socal; and Gulf) and a few states. If it were a common name generic name for coffee, it would be a disambiguation page. Just like Victoria is a state and a name, so is a disambiguation page. -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.247.17|65.92.247.17]] ([[User talk:65.92.247.17|talk]]) 03:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

*:::Victoria the places are all named after Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom. Java has had the name for what, 2500 years? [[User:Juxlos|Juxlos]] ([[User talk:Juxlos|talk]]) 01:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both''' - for the various reasons I (and others) suggest above including systematic bias, and long term relevance. --[[User:Merbabu|Merbabu]] ([[User talk:Merbabu|talk]]) 23:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both'''. per above. 1 million pageviews is becoming irrelevant when we talk about 147 million people, the most populous island in the entire world (more than [[Russia]]). We don't move [[C (programming language)]] to [[C]], just because it has significantly [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2019-05-16&end=2022-05-16&pages=C|C_(programming_language) more views]. [[User:Bluesatellite|Bluesatellite]] ([[User talk:Bluesatellite|talk]]) 03:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both'''. The island is still the primary topic. The programming language was named after the coffee, which in turn was named after the island. [[User:JIP|<span style="color: #CC0000;">J</span><span style="color: #00CC00;">I</span><span style="color: #0000CC;">P</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 11:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both'''. Nobody dispute long-term significance of the island. On the other hand, as {{u|Dekimasu}} mentioned computer-related topics tend to have higher page view ratio hence it's clear example of systematic bias. Therefore long-term significance should be preferred on this case. [[User:Ckfasdf|Ckfasdf]] ([[User talk:Ckfasdf|talk]]) 14:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' both per long term significance. [[User:BilledMammal|BilledMammal]] ([[User talk:BilledMammal|talk]]) 05:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

*<s>'''Support 2nd''' [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] lists two criteria. The programming language clearly wins the first. The island arguably wins the second. My read is there is no primary topic at this time and [[Java]] should be a disambiguation page. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 13:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)</s> [[WP:STICK]] arguments above are compelling. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 14:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both''' [[WP:SNOW]] Java is Java, what else would it be. Are we going to rename apple as [[apple (fruit)]]? [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 19:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

*'''Oppose both''' The term comes from the island name, everything else (slang/type of coffee, programming languages) is derivative. Java without qualifiers should be the island, everything else should be in the ''Java (specifier)'' format, which is the current state of things. [[User:Fbergo|Fbergo]] ([[User talk:Fbergo|talk]]) 15:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

* '''Oppose both''', an island with over a 100 million residents and a long history is the primary topic with lasting relevance. Modern things named after the island or after the coffee named for the island are not close to being as significant, no matter the page views. There is also a systemic bias in that computer search queries are often biased towards computer terms. [[User:Pikavoom|<span style="color:#ff1493; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">Pika</span><span style="color:#FC8A17; font-weight:bold;">voom</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Pikavoom|<span style="color:#ff1493;">Talk</span>]]} 06:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

== Bring back the simple hello world program ==

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It's unfortunate that this was removed. While the syntax can be relocated to a different wiki page, I believe it's valuable to have a small example of a Java program here. [[Special:Contributions/87.173.237.209|87.173.237.209]] ([[User talk:87.173.237.209|talk]]) 14:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

== Historical problems with security in Java ==

Coming in java 25 LTS (due 2025/09/16):

The history of the security in the Java platform is very interesting, with Oracle at some time being forced with a court order to display a warning about uninstalling older version on java.com. Somehow this was not deemed important to mention here, despite the fact that the particular warning was placed prominently in the lead. I moved the statement on the insecurity of older sections to the "History" section and taged the section with POV. [[User:Nxavar|Nxavar]] ([[User talk:Nxavar|talk]]) 12:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

<syntaxhighlight lang="java" line="1">

void main() {

System.out.println("Hello, World!");

}

</syntaxhighlight>

--[[Special:Contributions/2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF]] ([[User talk:2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|talk]]) 11:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== History ==

== Team-B-Vital Improvement Drive ==

The article currently says ''Sun Microsystems released the first public implementation as Java 1.0 in 1996'' yet the authority it cites says <u>''Since its announcement in May 1995, Java has been widely used''</u>. Therefore I am not sure when the first public implementation was released. [[User:Sam Tomato|Sam Tomato]] ([[User talk:Sam Tomato|talk]]) 05:18, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello all!

:Yeah, currently the history section and the date in the infobox disagree. We need to figure this out. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 20:01, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

This article has been chosen as this fortnight's effort for [[WP:Discord]]'s [[Wikipedia:Discord/Team-B-Vital|#team-b-vital channel]], a collaborative effort to bring Vital articles up to a B class if possible, similar to [[WP:Articles for Improvement]]. This effort will run for up to a fortnight, ending early if the article is felt to be at B-class or impossible to further improve. Articles are chosen by a quick vote among interested chatters, with the goal of working together on interesting Vital articles that need improving.

The announcement was in May 1995. And the public release was in 1996. There is no conflict? -- --[[Special:Contributions/2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF]] ([[User talk:2A10:BCC6:871:0:9F3:9B68:7E53:AAFF|talk]]) 11:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! [[User:Remagoxer|'''<span style="color: #0a826b;">Rema</span><span style="color: #c91f0c;">goxer</span>''']] [[User talk:Remagoxer|^(talk)]] 00:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)