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The '''[[Florida Gators]]''' [[American football|football]] team represents the [[University of Florida]] in the [[Southeastern Conference]]'s Eastern division. They play their home games at [[Ben Hill Griffin Stadium]] in [[Gainesville, Florida]], USA. In 100 years of play, Florida has been recognized as SEC champions seven times (finishing first in the conference an additional three times), were national champions of the [[1996 NCAA Division I-A football season|1996]] and [[2006 NCAA Division I FBS football season|2006]] college football seasons, and went undefeated in the 1995 regular season, surviving a tough [[Southeastern Conference]] (SEC) schedule and vaunted rival, [[Florida State University]].

[[Urban Meyer]], in his second season in [[2006 Florida Gators football team|2006]], is the current [[head coach]] of the Gators.

I have changed the part that states that Solid Snake recieved "recessive genes" to "inferior genes" (And Liquid's to "superior" rather than dominant).

==Overview==

My reasoning is as follows:

Florida plays an eight-game [[Southeastern Conference]] schedule, headlined by annual SEC Eastern division showdowns against [[University of Tennessee|Tennessee]] and [[University of Georgia|Georgia]], the latter being held in [[Jacksonville, Florida]] every year and unofficially dubbed "[[The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party]]" (a nickname officially deprecated after recommendations of the [[NCAA]] and SEC in an effort to diminish excessive drinking). The permanent SEC Western division team the Gators face every season is [[Louisiana State University|LSU]], previously playing [[Auburn University|Auburn]] as well before new SEC rules took effect in [[2003]].

In addition, the team has a yearly out-of-conference meeting with [[Florida State University|Florida State]] at the end of the season. Prior to 1988, the [[University of Miami]] was also an annual opponent and rival. However, Florida and Miami have met only twice during the regular season since then (2002 and 2003) and do not plan to play each other again until 2008.

Liquid tells us that Solid Snake recieved the dominant genes, while he himself recieved the "flawed recessive genes". Then, in the Epilogue, Ocelot reveals Liquid was wrong to believe himself flawed, calling Solid Snake the "inferior". It is a bit of a leap from there to assume that this means that Snake recieved the *recessive* genes - particularly since he demonstrates the greatest resemblance in character to Big Boss (who would obviously express his dominant genes whenever they turned up in pairs of Dominant/Dominant, or Dominant/Recessive).

Unlike many other teams at the college and pro level, the Gators do not currently have any retired numbers from former players. The numbers of [[Gator Football Ring of Honor]] players [[Steve Spurrier]] (11) and [[Jack Youngblood]] (74) had been retired in the past, but the numbers were re-issued to players during Spurrier's time as Florida head coach.

What is indesputable is that Liquid was genetically superior - but whether a gene is dominant or recessive has no bearing on how desirable it is.

==History==

It is far more likely that the scientists (having NOT identified the solider genes in 1972 - this development came after Big Boss's death and further examination of his remains) simply assumed that since he was the "Legendary Solider", Big Boss' dominant genes would be those most suitable for creating the perfect solider.

[[Image:Florida Football 100 Years.jpg|left|250px]]The Gators began play in football in [[1906]], coached by James Forsythe for three winning seasons. In [[1909]], G.E. Pyle took over coaching duties.

The 1910's saw the team face many of their current rivals for the first time. The first game against South Carolina was in 1911. When Florida joined the now-defunct [[Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association]] in 1912, they faced [[Auburn University|Auburn]] for the first time, followed by [[University of Georgia|Georgia]] in 1915. The Gators joined the [[Southern Conference]] in 1922, following their traditional rivals' departure from the SIAA a year earlier.

They then created Solid with the *intention* of making him the superior and Liquid with the intention of his being the "spare". Undoubtedly there would be paperwork and files on this that Liquid would be able to discover in his adulthood - which would also lead him to the conclusion that the recessive genes that he recieved were "flawed". What he would not learn was that in truth, Big Boss' recessive genes were even more potent than his dominant genes - so on a genetic level, Liquid was in fact potentially greater than even Big Boss.

The Gators joined the [[Southeastern Conference]] in 1932, along with several other rivals from the Southern Conference—Georgia, Auburn, [[University of Alabama|Alabama]], and [[Georgia Tech]].

On a more superficial/silly level - it would give us a cool reason for Liquid to have natural blonde hair, since the "blonde hair colour gene" is recessive. Having said that, Snake's hair seemed to be naturally blonde in MGS - but this was changed in TTS. Tsch. Retconning.

Florida had its first taste of long-term success in the mid-1960s, when [[Ray Graves]] set the team record for wins at Florida with 70, a record that stood for thirty years. Graves fielded one of his best teams in 1966, led by [[Heisman Trophy]]-winning quarterback [[Steve Spurrier]]. (During this time, Florida researchers developed the popular sports drink [[Gatorade]] and tested it on the Gators football team due to the humid conditions under which the team played.) Graves retired after a 9-1-1 season in 1969 and Florida alumnus [[Doug Dickey]] took over the reins. Dickey had some success, going 58-43-2, but it wasn’t enough to keep his job after a 4-7 season in 1978.

If you don't agree, that's fine - "superior"/"inferior" is unbias and covers <i>both</i> possible interpretations that one is able to take from the game- but clearly labelling Solid Snake as the inheritor of the recessive genes does not. - <i>Ulicus</i> (I really should get around to registering)

[[Charley Pell]] took over for Dickey, bringing the Gators back to respectability on the field, but had troubles off of it. Though he began his career with an 0-11 season in 1979, the Gators turned it around with an eight-win season the following year, in which the team set an NCAA record for win differential (this has since been surpassed). Pell went 33-15 after the winless opening season, but he was fired during his (and, at the time, the Gators’) best season in 1984 in light of major NCAA violations.

:First of all, changing "recessive" to "inferior" and "dominant" to "superior" just negates the whole intent of the genetic story in Metal Gear Solid.

[[Galen Hall]] coached the team from the middle of 1984 to 1989 with much success, including an SEC title in 1984 and 1985, though these were to be stripped due to NCAA violations committed by Pell. Future NFL stars such as [[Lomas Brown]] and [[Emmitt Smith]] headlined the rosters. Hall went 40-18 at Florida. He had his own violation scandal, however, and was fired during the 1989 season. [[Gary Darnell]] finished the season for him.

:The point of the story is that "We are not ruled by our genetic fate" as Dr. Naomi Campbell states. That even though Liquid truly received Big Boss' "dominant" soldier genes ultimately he couldn't either defeat Solid Snake or the FOXDIE virus. And under the same context, Solid Snake who received the "recessive" genes proves time and time again that genetic fate has nothing to do with the choices you can make as a person. Naomi even mentions this in game citing that Solid's genes make him predisposed towards violence, which he disproves when he goes out of his way to save Meryl during the Psycho Mantis fight.

The football team has been one of the winningest in Division 1-A since [[1990]], the year Spurrier returned to his alma mater as coach. That year, the Gators finished first in the SEC for the third time ever (the others being the title-stripped years of ’84 and ’85), but were ineligible for the SEC title. They won their first official SEC championship in [[1991]]. The team played for the championship in the first ever championship game in 1992 but lost to the eventual national champions, [[University of Alabama|Alabama]]. To date, the team has played in the most championship games of any team in either division, winning six times (1993-1996, 2000, 2006) in eight appearances. Spurrier broke his old coach—Ray Grave's—mark for wins as Florida coach in 1996.

:Next, Solid Snake's hair has long been brown. Even early cover art will tell you that and thinking that he looked to have more blonde hair in MGS seems to be your opinion. I felt pretty sure it was obvious his hair was brown even on the PSX version of the game, and see no evidence of retconning. Now, brown hair is known to be a "dominant" genetic trait. Where Liquid's hair is blonde which is known to be a genetic "recessive" trait. Albeit there are other factors that can contribute to a loss of color in the head (stress, excessive exposure to sunlight, et. al.)

The Gators had their first and only unbeaten regular season in 1995, but were denied a national championship in the 1995 [[Fiesta Bowl]], later nicknamed the “Fiasco Bowl” for its lopsided score in favor of [[University of Nebraska|Nebraska]] (62-24).

:Third, the difference in the genetic base of the characters due to the hair color, may be entirely limited to the specific genes linked to soldiers. A gene related to hair color probably wouldn't be considered as important as a gene linked to physical endurance in a soldier. The Les Enfantes genetic manipulation may have been focused more strongly on "soldier" genes as opposed to <i>all</i> genes.

[[Image:102 3707.JPG|thumb|right|The Gators in their home, [[Ben Hill Griffin Stadium|The Swamp]]]]Much of the team's offense returned following the bittersweet 1995 season. The 1996 team would end up setting dozens of UF's scoring records, as the Gators rolled over most of their opponents to start the season 10-0. The top-ranked Gators faced the #2 [[Florida State Seminoles]] on the road in [[Doak Campbell Stadium]], the last regular-season 1-vs-2 matchup for a decade. Keyed by several blocking errors on offense and special teams, the Gators left [[Tallahassee, Florida|Tallahassee]] with a 24-21 loss. But the pieces fell into place for Florida, as they beat the [[Alabama Crimson Tide]] in the [[SEC Championship Game]], 45-30, and Texas upset [[Nebraska]] in the inaugural [[Big 12 Championship Game]] to earn the Gators a re-match with the Seminoles. But the Gators were not assured of even a piece of the national championship unless [[Ohio State]] defeated #2 [[Arizona State]] in the [[Rose Bowl Game|Rose Bowl]] one day before the Gators got their rematch in the [[Sugar Bowl]]. The Buckeyes won the game at the last moment. The Gators had their opportunity to win the national championship, and [[Heisman trophy]]-winning quarterback [[Danny Wuerffel]] avenged the earlier loss and garnered game MVP honors in a 52-20 victory.

:Fourth, as far as "superior/inferior" being unbiased, <i>that</i> is your bias. The game itself uses the terms "recessive" and "dominant". Therefore those should be the terms used in the description on this page. In genetic research, "recessive" genes are not always considered to be inferior genes or traits. When you state "inferior" you are implying that Solid Snake is comprised of poor genetic material when it is stated time and time again that he was crafted from the greatest soldier that ever lived (according to game canon.)

The following season, in 1997, the Gators looked like they would reload for another title, beating heavily-ranked Tennessee at home and obtaining the #1 ranking. But the team struggled midway through their schedule, losing to [[LSU Tigers football|LSU]] on the road and a 20-point loss to [[Georgia Bulldogs football|Georgia]] after having dominated both teams the previous year. Arguably the loudest, most intense game in [[Ben Hill Griffin Stadium|The Swamp]]'s history occurred later that year, as the 10th-ranked Gators upset their rivals, the top-ranked [[Florida State Seminoles]] in a 32-29 thriller that featured two last-minute lead changes.

:The game's theme (MGS) is that of breaking genetic fate. And genes are classified as "dominant" and "recessive". To say that Solid Snake is the obvious "superior" however would be correct, as he has proven multiple times, often being the last man standing in a battle to the death. His genetic material, which gives him his strength (arguably) is therefore "recessive" not inferior. I am reverting your changes. [[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 18:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Having won 5 SEC titles in 6 seasons in 1996, the Gators had trouble keeping pace with their amazing run in the conference later in the decade, going 3 seasons before capturing the title again in 2000. The Gators looked prime to return to the [[SEC Championship Game]] as favorites in 2001, but lost a heartbreaker to the [[Tennessee Volunteers]] on a game postponed to December due to the [[attacks of 9/11]].

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[[Image:Urban_Meyer.jpg|thumb|Head coach [[Urban Meyer]] (pictured) and the Gators celebrated 100 years of Florida Football with a [[2007 BCS National Championship Game|BCS Championship]] in [[2006 Florida Gators football team|2006]].]]Following the 2001 season, Spurrier left the program to try his hand at coaching in the [[National Football League]]. After a much-publicized and much-scrutinized coaching search, former Gator assistant coach [[Ron Zook]] was hired as his replacement. Zook's squads were known for their inconsistency; they handed [[Nick Saban]]'s Louisiana State team its only loss in its 2003 national championship season and Georgia its only loss in 2002, while going winless against the state of [[Mississippi]], Miami, and in its [[bowl game]]s. Zook was fired midway through the [[2004]] season after an embarrassing loss to [[Mississippi State University|Mississippi State]], but was allowed to finish out the regular season. After Zook was relieved of duties for taking the open job at [[University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign|Illinois]], defensive coordinator [[Charlie Strong]] served as interim coach for the 2004 [[Peach Bowl]] against Miami (FL), becoming the first [[African-American]] head football coach at Florida and the second in SEC history. [[Jeremy Foley]], Florida's [[athletic director]], found a much higher profile candidate to replace Zook in national coach of the year, [[Urban Meyer]] of [[University of Utah|Utah]].

How have I compromised the main story of “conquering ones genetic fate” by saying that Snake ends up the victor despite being the “inferior”? (I believe I put inferior/superior in “ ” in the article, if not that was a mistake). If anything I’ve further clarified it – since as you say, recessive does not mean “worse.”

Meyer was announced as Florida Football's new head coach in [[December 2004]]. His first season in [[2005 Florida Gators football team|2005]] was an improvement at 9-3, including a bowl win against the [[Iowa Hawkeyes Football|Iowa Hawkeyes]]. Though the team managed to sweep its three biggest rivals (Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida State) for just the fourth time in school history, they missed out on a chance to play in the SEC title game after a devastating loss to Spurrier's new team, [[University of South Carolina|South Carolina]].

Speaking of which, you seem to contradict yourself (forgive me if I'm wrong), in one sentence saying that <i>“Solid Snake who received the "recessive" genes proves time and time again that genetic fate has nothing to do with the choices you can make as a person”</i> – implying that recessive means inferior and in the next that <i>“In genetic research, "recessive" genes are not always considered to be inferior genes or traits.”</i>

[[2006 Florida Gators football team|In 2006]], the Gators were victorious in the [[SEC Championship Game]] against [[University of Arkansas|Arkansas]], winning their first title since the 2000 season. The Gators were selected to play in the [[BCS Championship Game]] against the [[Ohio State Buckeyes]], which was played on January 8, 2007. They beat the No. 1 ranked [[2006 Ohio State Buckeyes football team|Ohio State Buckeyes]], 41-14, for their second national title.

Which is it? I believe wholly in the latter, which was my reasoning for making the change.

A month after the national championship, the Gators celebrated signing arguably their second #1 recruiting class in as many years.[http://rivals100.rivals.com/TeamRank.asp?type=0&sort=0&year=2007]

<i>The game itself uses the terms "recessive" and "dominant". Therefore those should be the terms used in the description on this page.</i>

==2006 season==

No, Liquid uses the terms “recessive” and “dominant” and implies that recessive is inferior, while dominant is superior.

{{main|2006 Florida Gators football team}}

[[Image:Gators Football White House.jpg|thumb|The national champions meet with [[George W Bush|President Bush]] at the [[White House]].]]The Florida Gators celebrated two milestones in the 2006 season: the 10-year anniversary of their first national championship, and 100 years of Florida football. They would have more to celebrate by season's end.

Following a 9-3 season in 2005, expectations were high for a Gators squad led by senior quarterback [[Chris Leak]]. Although the team was highly ranked in most preseason polls, a tough schedule tested the Gators. Another question mark on the team was how well Leak and the wide receivers would continue to adjust into the run-oriented spread option offense of head coach [[Urban Meyer]], especially behind a mostly new [[offensive line]].

In the Epilogue however, Ocelot simply says that the “inferior one” won. There is no mention of whether or not this means that Snake has the “flawed recessive genes”, or (as I believe) if it means that Liquid was simply wrong to believe that the recessive genes were flawed in the first place. Why should one view take precedence over the other?

As the season progressed, the quarterback spot was split between Leak and true freshman [[Tim Tebow]], who came in on several occasions and made some important short-yardage plays. Chris Leak, however, remained solid as the starter in that position and received the bulk of the snaps.

Similarly, I am NOT implying that Solid Snake is made up of poor genetic material – if anything, by suggesting that he is in possession of the “dominant genes” I am implying that he is the most like Big Boss in his genetic makeup. You only express your dominant genes when they come in a pair of "dominant/recessive" after all.

The season opened [[September 2]] against [[University of Southern Mississippi|Southern Miss]], with a 34-7 Gator victory. They suffered the first and only loss on the road at [[2006 Auburn Tigers football team|Auburn]], then began a string of very close finishes to close out their SEC schedule and clinch the SEC East title.

You talk about the solider genes and the Les Enfant Terribles project in one breath – when the game canon specifically tells us that the solider genes were not identified at that time. All they had to work with was recessive and dominant genes - they didn't know what did what, but made a reasonable assumption that the dominant genes were the best for soldiers, since they're what Big Boss expressed. I'd argue that they were wrong, and that Big Boss' recessive genes were even better soldier material than his dominant genes, which is why Liquid believes himself to be genetically inferior, when in fact he is genetically superior to even his father - in terms of the genes that he's expressing anyway...

The Gators won their first SEC title since the 2000 season on [[December 2]] with a 38-28 win over [[Arkansas Razorbacks football|Arkansas]] in the [[SEC championship game|conference championship game]]. Finishing #2 in the regular season, Florida received a bid to play in the [[2007 BCS National Championship Game]] on [[January 8]], [[2007]] against [[Ohio State Buckeyes football|Ohio State]]. Entering the game as 7 point underdogs, Florida defeated the Buckeyes 41-14 and captured the 2006 national championship title. The team finished 13-1 overall, 8-1 in SEC play, and ranked #1 both the AP and Coaches [[2006 NCAA Division I-A football rankings|polls ]].

Ultimately however - the genetics used in MGS is pretty haphazard - since if it was a case of one clone having all the recessive genes and the other having all the dominant genes - they would not be "genetically identical" as Liquid claims... they wouldn't even look alike - which does give your "picks up on soldier genes only" argument more weight. So yeah, I think it's quite likely that we'll find that it's been retconned so that the solider genes *had* been identified by the time of the Les Enfant Terrible project... much like they retconned Big Boss's age at the time of the project and the founding date of Foxhound but, as things stand, I don't think you've dismissed my argument at all.

==Championships==

Regardless, I'm willing to leave "recessive/dominant" the way it is on the page. If only because you'd just change them back and I'd just have to change it again ad infinitum. :D

===National Championships===

It would get pretty silly.

Florida has won two men's football national championships in its history.

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- Uli

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!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Year

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Coach

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Selector

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Record

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Bowl

|- align="center"

| 1996 || [[Steve Spurrier]] || [[AP Poll|AP]], [[Coaches Poll|Coaches]] || 12-1 || Won [[Sugar Bowl|Sugar]]

|-align="center"

| 2006 || [[Urban Meyer]] || [[AP Poll|AP]], [[Coaches Poll|Coaches]] || 13-1 || Won BCS National Title Game

|-align="center"

| colspan=3 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''Total national championships'''

| colspan=2 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''2'''

|}

===Conference Championships===

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Florida has won a total of 8 conference championships, with 7 of those being official. The University was stripped of the 1984 conference championship due to NCAA violations. The 1985 and 1990 teams finished with the best conference record, but were ineligible for the conference championship due to probation resulting from violations committed under the previous coaching staff. In 1992 and 1999, the Gators won the Eastern Division, but lost the SEC Championship Game to the University of Alabama.

'''Conference Affiliations'''

Ok, well that's a better argument than the one you initially presented. If you want to make a note about genetic "superiority/inferiority", that is fine with me. As you are correct, Ocelot does say "He thought he was the inferior one" (sic).

*1906-11, [[NCAA Division I-A independent schools|Independent]]

*1912-21, [[Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association]]

*1922-32, [[Southern Conference]]

*1933-present, [[Southeastern Conference]]

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I still feel it important to note the "dominant/recessive" wording, because that is the wording that Liquid used, and is important. It even comes up in conversation again in MGS2. And considering that is how the children of Les Enfantes were created (separation of dominant/recessive genes) it is important as such to note that. [[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 18:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

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{| cellpadding="1" border="1" cellspacing="0" width="80%"

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Year

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Conference

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Overall Record

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Conference Record

|- align="center"

| 1991 || SEC || 10-2 || 7-0

|- align="center"

| 1993 || SEC || 11-2 || 7-1

|- align="center"

| 1994 || SEC || 10-2-1 || 7-1

|- align="center"

| 1995 || SEC || 12-1 || 8-0

|- align="center"

| 1996 || SEC || 12-1 || 8-0

|- align="center"

| 2000 || SEC || 10-3 || 7-1

|- align="center"

| 2006 || SEC || 13-1 || 7-1

|- align="center"

| colspan=2 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''Total conference championships'''

| colspan=2 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''7'''

|}

===Divisional Championships===

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As winners of the Southeastern Conference's Eastern Division (created when the SEC expanded in 1992), Florida has made 8 appearances in the [[SEC Championship Game]], the most of any SEC school, with the most recent coming in 2006. The Gators are 6-2 in those games.

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I agree with the above - I just consider it a bit of a leap to assume that Solid Snake was given the recessive genes because Liquid believed them to be flawed and Ocelot called Snake the inferior.

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!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Year

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Division Championship

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>SEC CG Result

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Opponent

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>PF

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>PA

|- align="center"

| 1992 || SEC East || '''L''' || [[Alabama Crimson Tide football|Alabama]] || 21 || 28

|- align="center"

| 1993 || SEC East || '''W''' || Alabama || 28 || 13

|- align="center"

| 1994 || SEC East || '''W''' || Alabama || 24 || 23

|- align="center"

| 1995 || SEC East || '''W''' || [[Arkansas Razorbacks football|Arkansas]] || 34 || 3

|- align="center"

| 1996 || SEC East || '''W''' || Alabama || 45 || 30

|- align="center"

| 1999 || SEC East || '''L''' || Alabama || 7 || 34

|- align="center"

| 2000 || SEC East || '''W''' || [[Auburn Tigers football|Auburn]] || 28 || 6

|- align="center"

| 2006 || SEC East || '''W''' || Arkansas || 38 || 28

|- align="center"

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''Totals'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''8'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''6-2'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''-'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''215'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''165'''

|}

==All-time record vs. annual opponents==

Granted, it is the impression I got on my first playthrough - but after seeing that Big Boss was far more similar to Solid Snake than either of his other children, it made more sense to think that Snake is expressing more of the same genes as his father than either Liquid or Solidus- which would imply that he's got the "dominant genes" - and that Liquid got the "better" recessive genes, that he mistakenly believed to be flawed... gah, the more I think about this, the more I want a game with Liquid as the protagonist.

{| class="wikitable"

! School !! UF Record !! Streak !! 1st Meeting

|- align="center"

| [[Florida State University|Florida State]] || 30-19-2 || Won 3 || [[1958]]

|- align="center"

| [[University of Georgia|Georgia]] || 37-45-2 || Won 2 || [[1915]]

|- align="center"

| [[University of Kentucky|Kentucky]] || 40-17-0 || Won 20 || [[1917]]

|- align="center"

| [[Louisiana State University|LSU]] || 28-22-3 || Won 1 || [[1937]]

|- align="center"

| [[University of South Carolina|South Carolina]] || 20-4-3 || Won 1 || [[1911]]

|- align="center"

| [[University of Tennessee|Tennessee]] || 17-19-0 || Won 2 || [[1916]]

|- align="center"

| [[Vanderbilt University|Vanderbilt]] || 29-9-2 || Won 16 || [[1945]]

|}

==Bowl games==

Perhaps the article should say something along the lines of:

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| valign="top" |

{| cellpadding="1" border="1" cellspacing="0" width="80%"

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Year

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Bowl Game

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Winner

!bgcolor="#4169E1"| <font color=white>Loser

|- align="center"

| 1952

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| '''Florida 14'''

| Tulsa 13

|- align="center"

| 1958

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| Mississippi 7

| '''Florida 3'''

|- align="center"

| 1960

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| '''Florida 13'''

| Baylor 12

|- align="center"

| 1962

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| '''Florida 17'''

| Penn State 7

|- align="center"

| 1965

| [[Sugar Bowl]]

| Missouri 20

| '''Florida 18'''

|- align="center"

| 1966

| [[Orange Bowl (game)|Orange Bowl]]

| '''Florida 27'''

| Georgia Tech 12

|- align="center"

| 1969

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| '''Florida 14'''

| Tennessee 13

|- align="center"

| 1973^

| [[Capital One Bowl|Tangerine Bowl]]

| Miami (Ohio) 16

| '''Florida 7'''

|- align="center"

| 1974

| [[Sugar Bowl]]

| Nebraska 13

| '''Florida 10'''

|- align="center"

| 1975

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| Maryland 13

| '''Florida 0'''

|- align="center"

| 1976

| [[Sun Bowl]]

| Texas A&M 37

| '''Florida 14'''

|- align="center"

| 1980^

| [[Capital One Bowl|Tangerine Bowl]]

| '''Florida 35'''

| Maryland 20

|- align="center"

| 1981

| [[Peach Bowl]]

| West Virginia 26

| '''Florida 6'''

|- align="center"

| 1982

| [[Bluebonnet Bowl]]

| Arkansas 28

| '''Florida 24'''

|- align="center"

| 1983

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| '''Florida 14'''

| Iowa 6

|- align="center"

| 1987

| [[Aloha Bowl]]

| UCLA 20

| '''Florida 16'''

|- align="center"

| 1988

| [[All-American Bowl]]

| '''Florida 14'''

| Illinois 10

|- align="center"

| 1989

| [[Freedom Bowl]]

| Washington 34

| '''Florida 7'''

|- align="center"

| 1991

| [[Sugar Bowl]]

| Notre Dame 39

| '''Florida 28'''

|- align="center"

| 1992

| [[Gator Bowl]]

| '''Florida 27'''

| NC State 10

|- align="center"

| 1993

| [[Sugar Bowl]]

| '''Florida 41'''

| West Virginia 7

|- align="center"

| 1994

| [[Sugar Bowl]]

| Florida State 23

| '''Florida 17'''

|- align="center"

| 1995

| [[Fiesta Bowl]] (Title Game)

| Nebraska 62

| '''Florida 24'''

|- align="center"

| 1996

| [[Sugar Bowl]] (Title Game)

| '''Florida 52'''

| Florida State 20

|- align="center"

| 1997†

| [[Capital One Bowl|Florida Citrus Bowl]]

| '''Florida 21'''

| Penn State 6

|- align="center"

| 1998

| Orange Bowl

| '''Florida 31'''

| Syracuse 10

|- align="center"

| 1999†

| [[Capital One Bowl|Florida Citrus Bowl]]

| Michigan State 37

| '''Florida 34'''

|- align="center"

| 2000

| [[Sugar Bowl]]

| Miami 37

| '''Florida 20'''

|- align="center"

| 2001

| Orange Bowl

| '''Florida 56'''

| Maryland 23

|- align="center"

| 2002

| [[Outback Bowl]]

| Michigan 38

| '''Florida 30'''

|- align="center"

| 2003

| [[Outback Bowl]]

| Iowa 37

| '''Florida 17'''

|- align="center"

| 2004

| [[Peach Bowl]]

| Miami (Florida) 27

| '''Florida 10'''

|- align="center"

| 2005

| [[Outback Bowl]]

| '''Florida 31'''

| Iowa 24

|- align="center"

| 2006

| [[BCS National Championship Game]]

| '''Florida 41'''

| Ohio State 14

|-align="center"

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''Totals'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''34'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''16'''

| colspan=1 bgcolor="#FF7F00"| '''18'''

|}

"Blah de blah - the sons of Big Boss were birthed through the manipulation/separation(Mix-match?) of the legendary soldier's dominant and recessive genes. Solid and Liquid represented the opposite ends of the spectrum, one expressing all of Big Boss' dominant genes, the other all of Big Boss' recessive genes... Solidus, on the other hand, was a "perfectly balanced masterpiece" - blah de blah... whether by accident or design, because of this, on a genetic level, Solid Snake was considered the "inferior".

== Florida's All-Time Team ==

This way, we are not stating whether or not Snake was dominant/recessive for certain, but we are clarifying what we know, that one was all dominant, one was all recessive and on a genetic level, Snake ended up as the "inferior". (Yet was such a badass that this didn't matter in the end)

<small>Chosen by [[Miami Herald]] in August, 1983, by a fan vote.</small><br />

<small>'''Offense'''</small> <br />

QB--[[Steve Spurrier]]<br />

RB--[[Larry Smith]] <br />

RB--[[Nat Moore]] <br />

WR--[[Cris Collinsworth]] <br />

WR--[[Wes Chandler]] <br />

TE--Jim Yarbrough <br />

T--Randy Jackson <br />

T--Mike Williams <br />

G--Burton Lawless <br />

G--Guy Dennis <br />

C--Bill Carr <br />

K--David Posey <br />

<small>'''Defense'''</small> <br />

L--[[Jack Youngblood]] <br />

L--Scott Hutchinson <br />

L--David Galloway <br />

L--Charlie LaPradd <br />

LB--Ralph Ortega <br />

LB--[[Scot Brantley]] <br />

LB--[[Wilber Marshall]] <br />

LB--Glenn Cameron <br />

DB--Steve Tannen <br />

DB--Jackie Simpson <br />

DB--[[Bernie Parrish]] <br />

P--Bobby Joe Greene <br />

== Florida Gator All-Century Team ==

That would follow through with the bit with: "Liquid Snake, who believed that he had recieved the 'flawed' recessive genes"... dar de dar.

<small>'''Chosen by Gator Fans and organized by the [[Gainesville Sun]] in the Fall of 1999'''</small><br />

<small>'''First Team'''</small><br />

<small>'''Offense'''</small><br />

QB--[[Danny Wuerffel]] (1993-96)<br />

RB-- Neal Anderson (1982-85) <br />

RB-- [[Emmitt Smith]] (1987-89) <br />

WR-- Carlos Alvarez (1969-71) <br />

WR-- Wes Chandler (1974-77) <br />

TE-- JimYarbrough (1966-68)<br />

OT-- Lomas Brown (1981-84) <br />

OT-- David Williams (1985-88) <br />

OG--Burton Lawless (1972-74) <br />

OG--Donnie Young (1993-96)<br />

C--JeffMitchell (1993-96) <br />

PK--Judd Davis (1992-94) <br />

KR Jacquez Green (1995-97) <br />

<br /><small>'''Defense'''</small>

DE-- [[Jack Youngblood]] (1968-70)<br />

DE-- Kevin Carter (1991-94)<br <br />/>

DT-- Brad Culpepper (1988-91)<br />

DT-- Ellis Johnson (1991-94)<br />

LB-- Wilber Marshall (1980-83)<br />

LB-- Scot Brantley (1976-79)<br />

LB-- David Little (1977-80)<br />

CB-- Steve Tannen (1967-69)<br />

CB --Jarvis Williams (1984-87)<br />

S-- Louis Oliver (1985-88)<br />

S-- Bruce Bennett (1963-65)<br />

P--Bobby Joe Green (1958-59) <br />

<br />

<small>'''Second Team'''</small><br />

<small>'''Offense'''</small><br />

QB--[[Steve Spurrier]] (1964-66) <br />

RB--[[Rick Casares]] (1951-53) <br />

RB--James Jones (1979-82) <br />

WR--[[Reidel Anthony]] (1994-96) <br />

WR--[[Ike Hilliard]] (1994-96) <br />

TE--Kirk Kirkpatrick (1987-90) <br />

OT--Jason Odom (1992-95) <br />

OT--Mike Williams (1973-75) <br />

OG--Larry Gagner (1963-65) <br />

OG--Jeff Zimmerman (1983-86) <br />

OC--Phil Bromley (1981-84) <br />

PK--David Posey (1973-76) <br />

KR--Jack Jackson (1992-94)<br />

<small>'''Defense'''</small><br />

DE--David Ghesquiere (1967-69)<br />

DE-- Lynn Matthews (1963-65)<br />

DT-- David Galloway (1979-81)<br />

DT-- Charlie LaPradd (1950-52)<br />

LB-- Sammy Green (1972-75)<br />

LB--Alonzo Johnson (1983-85)<br />

LB-- Ralph Ortega (19 72- 74)<br />

CB-- Fred Weary (1994-97)<br />

CB-- Richard Fain (1987-90)<br />

S--Tony Lilly (1980-83)<br />

S--Wayne Fields (1972-75)<br />

P-- Ray Criswell (1982-85)<br />

== Gator Fan's 100th Anniversary Team ==

Do you think this change would be acceptable?

<small>'''Done in conjunction with the celebration of 100 Years of Florida Football. The process that began in early August, 2006, and lasted until late October, 2006. Fans voted with mail-in ballots found at stores as well as on the internet. Members of the Gator Fans' All-Century Team were invited to the Florida-Western Carolina football game on Nov. 18, 2006, to be recognized in a halftime ceremony.'''</small><br />

<small>'''Offense'''</small><br />

QB--[[Danny Wuerffel]], 1993-96<br />

RB--Errict Rhett, 1990-93<br />

RB--[[Emmitt Smith]], 1987-89<br />

RB[[--Fred Taylor]], 1994-97<br />

WR--Carlos Alvarez, 1969-71<br />

WR--[[Cris Collinsworth]], 1977-80<br />

WR--Chris Doering, 1992-95<br />

WR--Ike Hilliard, 1994-96<br />

OL--Lomas Brown, 1981-84<br />

OL--Mike Degory, 2002-05<br />

OL--Jeff Mitchell, 1993-96<br />

OL--Jason Odom, 1992-95<br />

<small>'''Defense'''</small><br />

DL--[[Trace Armstrong]], 1988<br />

DL--[[Alex Brown]], 1998-2001<br />

DL--Kevin Carter, 1991-94<br />

DL--Brad Culpepper, 1988-91<br />

DL--[[Jack Youngblood]],1968-70<br />

LB--Scot Brantley, 1976-79<br />

LB--Channing Crowder, 2003-04<br />

LB--[[Jevon Kearse]], 1996-98<br />

LB--[[Wilber Marshall]], 1980-83<br />

DB--Louis Oliver, 1985-88<br />

DB--Lito Sheppard, 1999-2001<br />

DB--Fred Weary, 1994-97<br />

<small>'''Specialists'''</small><br />

P--Shayne Edge, 1991-94<br />

K--Jeff Chandler, 1998-2001<br />

==Individual Award Winners==

- Uli

{{col-begin}}

{{col-2}}

*'''[[Heisman Trophy]]'''

:[[Steve Spurrier]] - [[1966]]

:[[Danny Wuerffel]] - [[1996]]

*'''[[Maxwell Award]]'''

:[[Danny Wuerffel]] - [[1996]]

*'''[[Walter Camp Award]]'''

:[[Danny Wuerffel]] - [[1996]]

{{col-2}}

*'''[[Davey O'Brien Award]]'''

:[[Danny Wuerffel]] - [[1995]], [[1996]]

*'''[[Jim Thorpe Award]]'''

:[[Lawrence Wright]] - [[1996]]

*'''[[Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award]]'''

:[[Danny Wuerffel]] - [[1996]]

*'''[[Lou Groza Award]]'''

:[[Judd Davis]] - [[1993]]

{{col-end}}

----

==== All-Time SEC team Gator Honorees ====

'''All-Time SEC Team'''<br />

<small>The All-Time Team for the first 50 years

(1933-82) was selected bythe SEC Skywriters</small><br />

<small>'''''First Team Defense'''''</small><br />

DE—[[Jack Youngblood]], ''1968-70''<br />

<small>'''''Second Team Offense'''''</small><br />

WR— [[Wes Chandler]], ''1974-77''<br />

<small>'''''Second Team Defense'''''</small><br />

LB—[[Wilber Marshall]],''1980-82''<br />

'''Quarter Century All-SEC Team''' <small>(1950-74)</small> <br />

Edit: Finally got around to registering, I'm also going to make the change cited above - feel free to remove/edit if you still think it is inappropriate ([[User:Ulicus|Ulicus]] 03:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC))

<small>A Bicentennial Project of the Birmingham QB Club</small><br />

<small>'''''First Team Defense'''''</small><br />

DE—Jack Youngblood, ''1968-1970''<br />

'''25 Year All-SEC Team''' <small>(1961-85)</small><br />

--------

<small>The 25-year All-SEC team was chosen for the

Lakeland (Fla.) Ledger</small><br />

<small>'''''Offense'''''</small><br />

WR—[[Cris Collinsworth]], ''1978-1980''<br />

WR—Wes Chandler, ''1974-1976''<br />

<small>'''''Defense'''''</small><br />

DE—Jack Youngblood, ''1968-1970''<br />

LB—Wilber Marshall, ''1980-82''<br />

----

==Current coaching staff==

That is just fine. [[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 14:23, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

{| class="wikitable"

! Name !! Current Title !! Years<br>at UF !! [[Alma mater]]

|- align="center"

| [[Urban Meyer]] || [[Head Coach]] || 2005 - || [[University of Cincinnati|Cincinnati]]

|- align="center"

| [[Steve Addazio]] || [[Tackle (American football)|Tackles]]</br>[[Tight end|Tight Ends]] || 2005 - || [[Central Connecticut State University| Central Connecticut State]]

|- align="center"

| [[Stan Drayton]] || [[Running back|Running Backs]] || 2005 - || [[Allegheny College]]

|- align="center"

| [[Billy Gonzales]] || [[Wide receiver|Wide Receivers]] || 2005 - || [[Colorado State University|Colorado State]]

|- align="center"

| [[Chuck Heater]] || [[Recruiting]] Coordinator<br>[[Cornerback]]s || 2005 - || [[University of Michigan|Michigan]]

|- align="center"

| [[John Hevesy]] || [[Center (American football)|Centers]] & [[Guard (American football)|Guards]] ||| 2005 - || [[University of Maine|Maine]]

|- align="center"

| [[John "Doc" Holliday]] || Associate Head Coach</br>[[Safety (football position)|Safeties]] || 2005 - || [[West Virginia University|West Virginia]]

|- align="center"

| [[Greg Mattison]] || [[Defensive coordinator|Co-Defensive Coordinator]]</br>[[Defensive line|Defensive Line]] || 2005 - || [[University of Wisconsin-La Crosse|Wisconsin-La Crosse]]

|- align="center"

| [[Dan Mullen]] || [[Offensive coordinator|Offensive Coordinator]]</br>[[Quarterback]]s || 2005 - || [[Ursinus College]]

|- align="center"

| [[Charlie Strong]] || Assistant Head Coach</br>[[Defensive coordinator|Co-Defensive Coordinator]]<br/>[[Linebacker]]s || 1988-89<br>1991-94<br>2003 - || [[University of Central Arkansas|University of Central Arkansas]]

|}

==Notable past & present players==

== Generic? ==

{{see also|Gator Football Ring of Honor}}

{{see also|Category:Florida Gators football players}}

{|

|valign="top"|

*[[Carlos Alvarez (American football)|Carlos Alvarez]], All-American [[wide receiver]]

*[[Neal Anderson]], former [[Pro Bowl]] [[running back]]

*[[Reidel Anthony]], former [[NFL]] WR for the [[Tampa Bay Buccaneers]]

*[[Trace Armstrong]], former NFL DE for the [[Chicago Bears]], [[Miami Dolphins]], and [[Oakland Raiders]]

*[[Dallas Baker]], current [[wide receiver]]

*[[Kerwin Bell]], former [[NFL]] and [[CFL]] QB and head coach, [[Jacksonville University]]

* Scot Brantley, former all-SEC [[linebacker]], former [[Tampa Bay Buccaneers]] [[linebacker]], and current radio analyst

*[[Alex Brown (football player)|Alex Brown]], [[defensive end]] for the [[Chicago Bears]]

*[[Lomas Brown]] Super Bowl champion, seven-time [[Pro Bowl]] selection, and potential [[Pro Football Hall of Fame|NFL Hall of Famer]]

*[[Andre Caldwell]], current [[wide receiver]]

*[[Reche Caldwell]], wide receiver for the [[New England Patriots]]

*[[Kevin Carter (football player)|Kevin Carter]], defensive end for the [[Miami Dolphins]]

*[[Wes Chandler]], former [[Pro Bowl]] [[wide receiver]]

*[[Mo Collins (football player)|Mo Collins]], former OL for the [[Oakland Raiders]]

*[[Cris Collinsworth]], former NFL [[wide receiver]] and current sports broadcaster

*[[Channing Crowder]], current [[Miami Dolphins]] [[linebacker]]

*[[Earl Everett]], current [[linebacker]]

*[[Ciatrick Fason]], current running back for the [[Minnesota Vikings]]

*[[Derrick Gaffney]], former NFL player

*[[Jabar Gaffney]], wide receiver for the [[New England Patriots]]

*[[Chan Gailey]], reserve college QB, coach of [[Georgia Tech]]

*[[Jacquez Green]], former [[NFL]] [[wide receiver]]

*[[Rex Grossman]], [[quarterback]] of the [[Chicago Bears]]

*[[Percy Harvin]], current Florida [[Wide Receiver]]

*[[Ike Hilliard]], wide receiver for the [[Tampa Bay Buccaneers]]

*[[Lindy Infante]], former RB and [[NFL]] head coach

*[[Chad Jackson]], [[wide receiver]] for the [[New England Patriots]]

*[[Darrell Jackson]], WR for the [[San Francisco 49ers]]

*[[Terry Jackson]], RB for the [[San Francisco 49ers]]

*[[Ellis Johnson (football player)|Ellis Johnson]], former NFL defensive tackle

*[[Jevon Kearse]], DE for the [[Philadelphia Eagles]]

* Crawford Ker, former [[Dallas Cowboys|Dallas Cowboy]] offensive lineman and founder of [http://www.winghouse.com Ker's WingHouse Bar & Grill] chain

|width="50"|;

|valign="top"|

*[[Kelvin Kight]], wide receiver for the [[New England Patriots]]

*[[Chris Leak]], starting [[quarterback]] for the 2006 national champions

*[[Wilber Marshall]], former NFL Pro Bowl [[linebacker]]

*[[Shane Matthews]], former QB for six NFL teams

*[[Tony McCoy]], former DT for Indianapolis, Arizona Cardinals

*[[Mike Mularkey]], former NFL [[tight end]], former [[NFL]] head coach

*[[Jeff Mitchell]], [[center (American football)|center]] for the [[Carolina Panthers]]

*[[Ricky Nattiel]], former WR for the [[Denver Broncos]]

*[[Reggie Nelson]], current [[defensive back]] [[Jacksonville Jaguars]]

*[[Louis Oliver]], former strong safety for the [[Miami Dolphins]]

*[[Jesse Palmer]], current [[Montreal Alouettes]] quarterback, former NFL quarterback and [[The Bachelor|Bachelor]]

*[[Mike Peterson]], [[middle linebacker]] for the [[Jacksonville Jaguars]]

*[[John Reaves]], former NFL and collegiate All-American quarterback

*[[Errict Rhett]], former running back for the [[Tampa Bay Buccaneers]]

*[[Brian Schottenheimer]], former reserve QB and current offensive coordinator, [[New York Jets]]

*[[Ian Scott (football player)]], NFL DT for the [[Philadelphia Eagles]]

*[[Lito Sheppard]], [[cornerback]] for the [[Philadelphia Eagles]]

*[[Brandon Siler]], current Florida linebacker

*[[Emmitt Smith]], the [[NFL]]'s all-time leading rusher and probable [[Pro Football Hall of Fame|NFL Hall of Famer]]

*[[Jimmy Spencer (football player)|Jimmy Spencer]], former [[NFL]] DB and current assistant coach for the [[Denver Broncos]]

*[[Steve Spurrier]], Heisman Trophy winner and current [[University of South Carolina|South Carolina]] coach

*[[Max Starks]], offensive tackle for the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]]

*[[Fred Taylor (football player)|Fred Taylor]], running back for the [[Jacksonville Jaguars]]

*[[Travis L. Taylor |Travis Taylor]], wide receiver for the [[Minnesota Vikings]]

*[[Tim Tebow]], current Florida [[quarterback]]

*[[Ben Troupe]], tight end for the [[Tennessee Titans]]

*[[Kenyatta Walker]], former right tackle for the [[Tampa Bay Buccaneers]]

*[[Gerard Warren]], [[defensive tackle]] for the [[Denver Broncos]]

*[[Tavares Washington]], [[defensive tackle]] for the [[San Francisco 49ers]]

*[[Dee Webb]], [[defensive back]] for the [[Jacksonville Jaguars]]

*David Williams, former OL for the [[Houston Oilers]]

*[[John L. Williams]], former Pro Bowl RB

*[[Danny Wuerffel]], Heisman Trophy winner and namesake of the [[Wuerffel Trophy]]

*[[Jack Youngblood]], [[NFL]] Hall of Famer

*[http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302213 Mike Pearson], OT for the [[Houston Texans]]

* Jeff Zimmerman, [[List of retired professional American football offensive linemen|Retired OL]] from the [[Dallas Cowboys]]

|}

==External links==

Shouldn't generic be genetic?

* [http://www.gatorzone.com/football/ Gatorzone.com], official website

* [http://www.gatorcountry.com Gator Country] - Credentialled Gator news, recruiting, & print magazine and website.

* [http://www.gatorenvy.com Gator Envy] - Gator sports fan site and discussion forum.

* [http://mudlizard.com/swamp Virtual Swamp] - On-line community for Gators and friendly rivals.

==See also==

I know that generic can have a biological term too, however it also has other meanings and could be confusing. Also I've never known anyone to use the term 'generic engineering'.

{{FloridaFootballSeasons}}

==References==

Regarding my fixing the "spelling correction" by [[User:66.190.245.23]]: The character in the "Escape from" movies is named Snake Plissken. Snake uses the alias "Pliskin". They are not spelled the same.

<references />

--[[User:138.238.96.32|138.238.96.32]] 23:36, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

{{GatorsCoach}}

Should there a be a concrete figure for Snake's age as of ''Sons of Liberty'', since we get a birth year in ''Snake Eater''?

{{SEC football}}

[[User:Jrquinlisk|Jrquinlisk]] 07:14, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[[Category:Florida Gators football|*]]

I don't recall any of the games saying that Snake suffered from PTSD. Where can I find this information?

Regarding PTSD, it is mentioned in the Metal Gear Solid 1 guidebook, which has a fair amount of information and was apparently liked by Hideo Kojima (the creator of Metal Gear) so much that he bought copies for the staff.

**I have issues with the MGS1 guide myself. The guide gives the impression that some of the biographical data about characters were made up by the author (and thus, not exactly canonical) to fill in blanks. For example, what other sources (literature or in-game) explicitily stated that Big Boss was a Japanese-American from Hawaii? [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 05:07, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*** Solid Snake to Master Millar/Liquid Snake: "How did you know I was part japanese" - as a clone of Big Boss, I think this heavily implies that Big Boss was part japanese also.

== images ==

I think the Decoy Octopus image has no value in this article.

It seems very unrelated.

Whoever said that's Decoy Octopus is in error. Decoy Octopus has no ears. That looks very much like Snake in civilian clothing. I motion to label it as such. [[User:Steven Hildreth, Jr.|Steven Hildreth, Jr.]] 19:15, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

That IS Snake. It's from the character study section of ''The Art of Metal Gear Solid'' by Yoji Shinkawa, which shows illustrations of Snake in his civilian outfit. It seems that Mr. 208.186.56.57 here isn't too sharp to even notice the difference between Snake's and Octopus' faces. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 04:49, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Someone should update all the website featuring the information of MGS:Snake Eater

== Snake's real name ==

Isn't there a correlation between Snake's real name, David, and that of the person who gives Snake his voice in the ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]'' series of games, David Hayter?

[[User:GrumpyTroll|Grumpy Troll]] 28 June 2005 21:06 (UTC)

: Probibly not as Hideo would be writing his scripts long before voice actors where found. It's more likely a refrence to [[2001: A Space Odyssey (novel)|2001: A Space Odyssey]] since Snake is called David and Otacon is called Hal. I believe that this was hinted at in 'Twin Snakes' for the Gamecube.

: I could be wrong however and any links to an interview would be cool. --[[User:Zikar|Zikar]] 29 June 2005 00:11 (UTC)

::No, it has nothing to do with Hayter. It's a reference to ''2001: A Space Odyssey'' and ''Policenauts'' (which are mentioned in the article). Like you said, the scripts were written long before the voice actors were hired. Snake's name is David in the Japanese version of ''Metal Gear Solid'' too. Hayter's also commented on it being a coincidence, I think. --[[User:DoubleCross|DoubleCross]] July 3, 2005 21:45 (UTC)

= Ac!d =

There is no info on Metal Gear Ac!d in the article, maybe someone could add something in?

:The thing is that the AC!D series is set in a separate universe from the main ''Metal Gear Saga'', like ''Ghost Babel'' and ''Snake's Revenge'' before it. It won't exactly fit well with the info from main series. We could have a sub-section for side games though. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 22:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

= Meryl =

I just edited the page, adding how Snake lived with Meryl for a while after Shadow Moses. The Meryl ending is the <strike>official</strike> canonical one, noted by Kojima, plus her presence in MGS4. He finds Otacon after that.

== Green Berets? ==

This article needs some fixing. Solid Snakes military career outside of Foxhound is very vague. Although he has both worked alongside and taken orders from U.S Army personnel it has never been confirmed nor denied whether he is himself Army personnel,much less a Green Beret. It is however hinted that Snake has links to The British Special Air Service and the United States Marine Corps. There may have been some confusion between Solid Snake and Big Boss in this article.

:I'm tempted to remove all the whole "Military Career Debate" nonsense since it's completely subjective and not much of an issue in my opinion. BTW, FOXHOUND is spelled in all-caps. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 03:07, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Hold on a second there bucko! The existing article, as it had been, was incomplete and possibly inaccurate. Who the hell are you to say what’s “Nonsense” and “not much of an Issue”? THE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE A COMPLETE AND THOROUGH ARTICLE. What I love about Wikipedia is the level of detail and insightfulness in many of the articles about fictional careers. However, Snake’s article seemed BARE and IMPRECISE. Furthermore, I have seen people debate about Snakes military career many a time. So I took it upon myself to bring light to this IMPORTANT ISSUE on a respected forum that would appreciate a completely OBJECTIVE, THOROUGH and WELL RESEARCHED commentary.

Instead I get a Dickhead, and not just any Dickhead – I got the kind of Dickhead who thinks he’s the GODDAMNED editor and chief of the fucking NEW YORK TIMES. And you know what else?! Describing you as an editor at the New York Times wouldn’t be too far off, SINCE YOU HAVE THE EXACT SAME LACK OF JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY! THAT’S RIGHT, the kind of fucking DICKHEAD that makes up an article and doesn’t give a shit that it's FALSE!!

AND YEAH, I may be an Asshole for badgering someone on the Internet but at least I’m not the kind of DICKHEAD that lets people read an INCOMPLETE REPORT in a goddamned ENCYCLOPEDIA!! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T THINK IT’S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IT DOESN’T MEAN OTHER PEOPLE DON’T AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT THAN YOU CAN JUST FUCK OFF. JESUS TITTY FUCKING CHRIST, HAVE YOU EVEN PLAYED METAL GEAR SOLID?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

In what way was that article subjective, WHAT REASON would I have to be subjective? I’m not even in the goddamned Military; I’m just fan of an awesome game.

POINT THE FIRST: THE GAME HAS BEEN VERY SUGGESTIVE ABOUT SNAKE’S MILITARY CAREER.

POINT THE SECOND: IT SUGGESTS THE GODDAMN, MOTHER FUCKING MARINE CORP AND BRITISH SPECIAL MOTHER FUCKING AIR SERVICE.

POINT THE THIRD: I AM PUTTING THE MY ARTICLE RIGHT BACK WHERE IT WAS.........YOU FUCKING DICKHEAD!

[[User:Gruaer_Fuchs|Grauer_Fuchs]] 02:46, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

:Hi! Might want to take some time to read [[Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines]] before you get banned outright. --[[User:Paul Soth|Paul Soth]] 08:07, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

:Wow! So much hissy for a trivial video game-based article. It's people like you and that Cloudsong kid that gives [[Jack Thompson (attorney)|Jack Thompson]] fuel for his argument.<br>BTW [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games]] states that "Theories or speculation (are unsuitable content). You may think that the Chozo were actually cannibalistic, perhaps based on a sentence referencing their mysterious eating habits in an instruction booklet, but unless this has been stated explicitly in official literature, it does not belong in the article. This applies to theories that aren't your own, as well." [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 20:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that there is a [[Big Boss| Name Debate]] section included in the Big Boss article but, for whatever reason, the Military Career debate was removed from the Solid Snake article. I honestly don't see what the difference is between the two; they're both strongly disputed issues among Metal Gear fans. Why is it that the Military Career debate was removed but the Name Debate was permitted to remain?

[[User:Gruaer_Fuchs|Grauer_Fuchs]] 10:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

:I was initially against the inclusion of the "Name Debate" section in the [[Big Boss]] article, but popular vote won out. Apparently enough people that is significant enough to be kept. The actual game doesn't provide evidence favoring Jack over John (and vice versa) and anything about Naked Snake's smirk and the use of John Doe is strictly suggestive. If it was up to me, I would have simply have it at "Big Boss' real name is unknown" and that "he uses both: Jack and John to introduce himself", since I prefer to keep fictional articles as immersive as possible to the reader (a personal preference of mine).<br><br>On the other hand, the whole thing about Snake's pre-FOXHOUND career seems more like [[fancruft]], since it's never brought up in the series outside of that one line by Campbell and no one else debated about its removal. [[User:Jonny2x4|Jonny2x4]] 07:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

== DOB Removal ==

I want to justify the removal of Snake's Date Of Birth of 1972. 1972 is stated in MGS3 as the beginning of the Les'Enfantes project but that doesn't make it Snake's birthdate.

First of all, the idea that within one year of starting genetic research that the same lab could produce offspring is a bit ridiculous (regardless of giant walking robots being a bit farfetched as well).

Secondly, all offspring of the project were referred to as the "Sons of Big Boss" which Liquid even states (I want to talk about what he says in a bit.) The likelihood that other "copies" were made before Liquid, Solid, and Solidus seems reasonable. Genetic manipulation would've been ''way'' in its infantcy at this point.

Third, the game only states that the "Sons of Big Boss" were born, not that Liquid or Solid were born at this time. The birth (as vague as Kojima is known to be about such things) may be a reference to the project beginning.

Now, about what Liquid says: He mentions that he and Solid are twins, but twins from a batch of 12, where the others were killed in vitro. Liquid didn't know about the existence of Solidus either. Meaning that what Liquid knows should be considered skeptical. Ocelot even confirms this post credits in MGS where he says "No one knows you were the third one ''"Solidus"''. On top of the fact that he believed that he was the genetic inferior. Another fact Ocelot corrected.

Also under criticism is Liquid's insistence in MGS2 (via Ocelot as a medium) that Big Boss was in his 50's when he was cloned. If Big Boss was 50 in 1972, that would've made him at least 42 years old during the Snake Eater mission. And it seems incredibly odd that a 42 year old soldier is constantly referred to as "Boy" by the Cobra unit and Volgin. Liquid's knowledge should be dismissed.

No solid DOB is given for Snake, just a date for the beginning of the project. [[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 18:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== Vandalism ==

I have noticed user [[User:65.190.242.217]] engaging in the most inane acts of vandalism here. Injecting his own little opinions onto the site. I'd like to thank [[User:Peruvianllama]] for keeping an eye on the page. [[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 07:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

= More than minor edits =

I changed the text about the "Iroquois" name Snake uses in MGS2. The information should now match what he actually tells Raiden is the reasoning behind his moniker.

Also, I removed the following paragraph

''According to the personal information supplied in ''[[Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake]]'', he is 178 cm tall and weighed 75 kg and has an IQ of "over 160". In the updated stats featured in ''Metal Gear Solid'', he is 182 cm tall and has an IQ of 180.''

This sounds weird to me. I'm not debunking it, but I'm going to look into it. It felt disjaunted in its place in the article though. I'm just having a hard time finding "stats" in game.

[[User:TotalTommyTerror|TotalTommyTerror]] 11:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:The MG2 stats are found in that game's manual, though they say Snake's I.Q. ''is'' 160, not ''over'' 160. As for MGS, it wouldn't suprise me if someone used the stats listed for Liquid in the game's briefing mode. He's stated to have a height of '''183''' cm and an I.Q. of 180. Solid Snake doesn't appear to have his stats listed in briefing mode (unless they're in a hidden scene that I missed). I'd say run with the MG2 data unless something more recent comes to light.

I realize the Acid series is non-canonical, but the MGS1 Solid Snake card lists his I.Q. as 180. While the Acid series itself doesn't enter into the equation, the statistics on the card are most likely accurate. [[User:71.197.144.129|71.197.144.129]] 05:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC) Matt Connellan