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'''Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu''' ([[January 18]], [[1689]] in Bordeaux – [[February 10]], [[1755]]), more commonly known as '''Montesquieu''', was a [[France|French]] social commentator and political thinker who lived during the [[Age of Enlightenment|Enlightenment]]. He is famous for his articulation of the theory of [[separation of powers]], taken for granted in modern discussions of [[government]] and implemented in many [[constitution]]s throughout the world. He was largely responsible for the popularization of the terms [[feudalism]] and [[Byzantine Empire]].
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== Biography ==
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After having studied at the Catholic [[College of Juilly]], he married Jeanne de Latrigue, a Protestant who brought him a substantial dowry when he was 26. The next year, he inherited a fortune upon the death of his uncle, as well as the title Baron de [[Montesquieu]] and [[Président à Mortier]] in the [[Parlement]] of Bordeaux. By that time, England had declared itself a constitutional monarchy in the wake of its [[Glorious Revolution]] (1688–89), and had joined with [[Scotland]] in the [[Union of 1707]] to form the [[Kingdom of Great Britain]]. And in 1715 the long-reigning [[King Louis XIV|Sun King]], Louis XIV died and was succeeded by the weaker and more feeble Louis XV. These national transformations impacted Montesquieu greatly; he would later refer to them repeatedly in his work.
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Soon afterwards he achieved literary success with the publication of his ''Lettres persanes'' (''[[Persian Letters]]'', 1721), a [[satire]] based on the imaginary correspondence of an [[Oriental]] visitor to [[Paris]], pointing out the absurdities of contemporary society. He next published ''Considérations sur les causes de la grandeur des Romains et de leur décadence'' (''[[Considerations on the Causes of the Grandeur and Decadence of the Romans]]'', 1734), considered by some scholars a transition from ''The Persian Letters'' to his master work. ''De l'Esprit des Lois'' (''[[The Spirit of the Laws]]'') was originally published anonymously in [[1748]] and quickly rose to a position of enormous influence. In France, it met with an unfriendly reception from both supporters and opponents of the regime. The Roman Catholic Church banned ''l'Esprit'' – along with many of Montesquieu's other works – in 1751 and included it on the papacy's notorious [[Index Librorum Prohibitorum|Index]]. But from the rest of Europe, especially Britain, it received the highest praise.
Hi! I'm [[:hu:User:Bdamokos|Dami]] <sup>[[:hu:User vita:Bdamokos|talk]]</sup> from the Hungarian Wikipedia, where we don't have any automated solution for archiving. Recently I suggested there that we should have one, and I would like to ask your help to set up a clone of your bot on huwiki. If you would be willing to help, could you please provide the source code for Werdnabot or open an account on the Hungarian WP. Either way your help would be much apreciated. Please answer me on my Hungarian [[:hu:User vita:Bdamokos|talk]] page--[[User:Bdamokos|Dami]] 17:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 
Montesquieu was also highly regarded in the British colonies in America as a champion of British liberty (though not of American independence). Political scientist Donald Lutz found that Montesquieu was the most frequently quoted authority on government and politics in colonial pre-revolutionary British America.<ref>"The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth-Century American Political Thought," ''American Political Science Review'' 78,1(March, 1984), 189-197.</ref> And following the American secession, Montesquieu remained a powerful influence on many of the [[United States|American]] Founders, most notably [[James Madison]] of [[Virginia]], the "Father of the Constitution." Montesquieu's philosophy that "government should be set up so that no man need be afraid of another" reminded Madison and others that a free and stable foundation for their new national government required the inclusion of a clearly defined and balanced separation of powers.
:Hi! Thanks for your answer (it was especially pleasing that you translated it, though it was really uneccesary). I'll be glad to localise the interface, and maybe a basic help (I am short a bit on free time...). After that if I announce it on the local Village Pump I think your services would be much apreciated. I don't know if you have any other projects, but if you think any of them would be beneficial to other WP communities I would be glad to help in localising them.<small> Please answer me on my Hungarian [[:hu:User vita:Bdamokos|talk]] page</small>--[[User:Bdamokos|Dami]] 20:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Besides composing additional works on society and politics, Montesquieu traveled for a number of years through [[Europe]] including [[Austria]] and [[Hungary]], spending a year in [[Italy]] and eighteen months in [[England]] before resettling in [[France]]. He was troubled by poor eyesight, and was completely blind by the time he died from a high fever in [[1755]]. He was buried in L'église [[Saint-Sulpice]] in Paris, France.
 
== Political views ==
::Hi! Thanks, I'll start working on the translations, and hope to finish them by the end of this week. Meanwhile could you give an explanation to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdnabot/Interface/Timestampregex]'s function (I'm not totally at home with regex, but if I know what it does, I can ask somebody to localise it), and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdnabot/Interface/Boilerplate and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Werdnabot/Archiver/Linkhere seem to be empty pages ::(.--[[User:Bdamokos|Dami]] 16:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Montesquieu's most radical work divided French society into three classes (or ''[[trias politica]]'', a term he coined): the monarchy, the aristocracy, and the commons. Montesquieu saw two types of governmental power existing: the sovereign and the administrative. The administrative powers were the [[legislative]], the [[executive (government)|executive]], and the [[judiciary]]. These should be separate from and dependent upon each other so that the influence of any one power would not be able to exceed that of the other two, either singly or in combination. This was radical because it completely eliminated the three ''Estates'' structure of the French Monarchy: the [[clergy]], the aristocracy, and the people at large represented by the [[Estates-General]], thereby erasing the last vestige of a [[feudalism|feudalistic]] structure.
::Hi again! I see now that the linkhere has text in its source.
::I'd like to ask you, what is the functions of the Months page, and the abbreviations there, where do they appear?
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Likewise, there were three main forms of government, each supported by a social "principle": [[monarchy|monarchies]] (free governments headed by a hereditary figure, e.g. king, queen, emperor), which rely on the [[Honour|principle of honor]]; [[republic]]s (free governments headed by popularly elected leaders), which rely on the [[Virtue|principle of virtue]]; and [[despot|despotisms]] (enslaved governments headed by [[dictator]]s), which rely on [[fear]]. The free governments are dependent on fragile constitutional arrangements. Montesquieu devotes four chapters of ''The Spirit of the Laws'' to a discussion of England, a contemporary free government, where liberty was sustained by a balance of powers. Montesquieu worried that in France the intermediate powers (i.e., the nobility) which moderated the power of the prince were being eroded.
 
Like many of his generation, Montesquieu held a number of views that might today be judged controversial. While he endorsed the idea that a woman could head a government, he held that she could not be effective as the head of a family. He firmly accepted the role of a hereditary aristocracy and the value of [[primogeniture]]. His views have also been abused by modern [[Revisionism|revisionists]]; for instance, even though Montesquieu was ahead of his time as an ardent opponent of [[slavery]], he has been quoted out of context in attempts to show he supported it.{{Fact|date=February 2007}}
:::Hi. I finished translating the pages you sent me, (they're linked to from here: [http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bdamokos#Werdnabot]). I didn't translate the boilerplate as the link you gave is to an empty page :(, and also I didn't translate the Timestampsregex, because I think it can be left in English until I see where does it come up.
:::All that being said, I would like to start working on translating the templates at the top of the userpage (hopefully without breaking your bot's template detection...) and if there are any other help pages about the stuff like <tt><nowiki><!--werdnabot-noarchive--></nowiki></tt>, and what to do with unsigned comments etc. And thanks again for the work you put into the internationalisation of your bot --[[User:Bdamokos|Dami]] 18:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
::::The only thing that can't be translated is the tags starting with <!--werdnabot-->. The rest can be translated. As for the timestampregex, this is a [[Regular expression]] for the way timestamps are shown on your wiki.
 
One of his more exotic ideas, outlined in ''[[The Spirit of the Laws]]'' and hinted at in ''Persian Letters'', is the [meteorological] climate theory, which holds that [[climate]] may substantially influence the nature of man and his society. He goes so far as to assert that certain climates are superior to others, the temperate climate of France being ideal. His view is that people living in very warm countries are "too hot-tempered," while those in northern countries are "icy" or "stiff." The climate of middle Europe is therefore optimal. On this point, Montesquieu may well have been influenced by similar statements in ''[[Germania (book)|Germania]]'' by [[Tacitus]], one of Montesquieu's favorite authors.
Hi! I sent you an e-mail, and repeat it here in case you didn't get it: I'm complete with the translation, they are here : [http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bdamokos#Werdnabot] , (in the right column), they just need to be moved or copied to the right place. Regards--[[User:Bdamokos|Dami]] 21:49, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
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==Further reading==
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* Pangle, Thomas, ''Montesquieu’s Philosophy of Liberalism'' (Chicago: 1989 rpt.; 1973).
* Person, James Jr., ed. “Montesquieu” (excerpts from chap. 8) in ''Literature Criticism from 1400 to 1800'', (Gale Publishing: 1988), vol. 7, pp. 350-52.
* Shackleton, Robert. ''Montesquieu; a Critical Biography''. (Oxford: 1961).
* Schaub, Diana J. ''Erotic Liberalism: Women and Revolution in Montesquieu's'' 'Persian Letters'. (Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 1995).
* Spurlin, Paul M. ''Montesquieu in America, 1760-1801'' (New York: Octagon Books, 1961).
 
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* ''Les causes de l'écho'' (''The Causes of an Echo'')
* ''Les glandes rénales'' (''The Renal Glands'')
* ''La cause de la pesanteur des corps'' (''The Cause of Gravity of Bodies'')
* ''La damnation éternelle des païens'' (''The Eternal Damnation of the Pagans'', 1711)
* ''Système des Idées'' (''System of Ideas'', 1716)
* ''[[Lettres persanes]]'' (''Persian Letters'', 1721)
* ''Le Temple de Gnide'' (''The Temple of Gnide'', a novel; 1724)
* ''Arsace et Isménie'' (''(The True History of) Arsace and Isménie'', a novel; 1730)
* ''Considérations sur les causes de la grandeur des Romains et de leur décadence'' (''Considerations on the Causes of the Grandeur and Decadence of the Romans'', 1734)
* ''[[De l'esprit des lois]]'' (''(On) The Spirit of the Laws'', 1748)
* ''La défense de «L'Esprit des lois»'' (''In Defence of "The Spirit of the Laws"'', 1748)
* ''Pensées suivies de Spicilège'' (''Thoughts after Spicilège'')
 
== See also ==
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* [http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/search?author=Montesquieu&amode=words Free full-text works online]
* [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10536a.htm Montesquieu] in The Catholic Encyclopedia.
* [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/montesquieu/ Montesquieu] in The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
* [http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/philosophers/montesquieu.html Timeline of Montesquieu's Life]
 
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