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The '''[[1908 in baseball|1908]] [[World Series]]''' matched the defending champion [[Chicago Cubs]] against the [[Detroit Tigers]] in a rematch of the [[1907 World Series|1907 Series]]. The Cubs won in 5 games for their second consecutive title. The 1908 World Series is significant for being the last World Championship for the Cubs (as of 2006). The Cubs would go on to appear in the World Series in 1910, 1918, 1929, 1932, 1935, 1938, and 1945 losing the Series all seven times.

==Luna's eye color==

This was the year of the infamous [http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Merkle_Bonehead_Play "Fred Merkle Bonehead Play"], that allowed the [[Chicago Cubs]] to reach the [[World Series]] after beating the [[San Francisco Giants|New York Giants]] in a one-game playoff.

OK, we're going to have a proper discussion about this rather changing it back and forth. Now, I changed it from "Described as 'misty' and 'silvery'" to "Unknown (described as 'misty' and 'silvery,')" because the fact it is described as such doesn't change the fact we simply have no idea what color it is.

The Series was anti-climactic after tight pennant races in both leagues. [[Ty Cobb]] had a much better Series than in 1907, as did the rest of his team. The final two games, in Detroit, were shutouts. This was also the most poorly attended Series with the final game drawing a record-low 6,210 fans. Attendance in Chicago was harmed by a ticket-scalping scheme that fans accused the club's owner of participating in, and the Series was boycotted to some degree.

Well, page 199 (Canadian edition) quotes the following:

'''Records:''' [[Chicago Cubs]] (W: 99, L: 55, Pct: .643, GA: 1) - [[Detroit Tigers]] (W: 90, L: 63, Pct: .588, GA: ½)

"He could see the bat-winged horses reflected in her wide, silvery eyes."

'''Managers:''' [[Frank Chance]] (Chicago), [[Hughie Jennings]] (Detroit)

Then, page 863 quotes the following:

'''Umpires:''' [[Jack Sheridan]] (AL), [[Hank O'Day]] (NL), odd-numbered games; [[Bill Klem]] (NL), [[Tom Connolly|Tommy Connolly]] (AL), even-numbered games<br>

For the first time, four umpires were used in the series, in alternating two-man teams.

"“No,” said Luna, observing him with those oddly misty, protuberant eyes."

==Summary==

'''NL [[Chicago Cubs]] (4) vs AL [[Detroit Tigers]] (1)'''

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!|Game||Score||Date||Location||Attendance

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|2||Tigers - 1, '''Cubs''' - 6||[[October 11]]||[[West Side Park]]||17,760

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|3||'''Tigers''' - 8, Cubs - 3||[[October 12]]||[[West Side Park]]||14,543

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|4||'''Cubs''' - 3, Tigers - 0||[[October 13]]||[[Bennett Park]]||12,907

|-

|5||'''Cubs''' - 2, Tigers - 0||[[October 14]]||[[Bennett Park]]||6,210

|-style="background: #e3e3e3;"

|}

Now I'm no expert, but those two qualifiers (to me at least) paint a pretty good picture of Luna's eye colour. A pale gray, giving her eyes that distinctly silvery hue. I can't think of any other colour that would generate that description.

==Matchups==

===Game 1===

[[October 10]]: [[Bennett Park]], [[Detroit]], [[Michigan]]

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|colspan=13|<small>'''W''': [[Mordecai Brown]] (1-0)&nbsp;&nbsp;'''L''': [[Ed Summers]] (0-1)</small>

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:''Finally'', someone says something. You make a pretty good arguement, but the best circumstantial evidence in the world doesn't prove anything. I suppose we could add a note saying "Luna's eyes are likely pale gray," or something like that.

===Game 2===

[[October 11]]: [[West Side Grounds]], [[Chicago]], [[Illinois]]

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|colspan=13|<small>'''W''': [[Orval Overall]] (1-0)&nbsp;&nbsp;'''L''': [[Bill Donovan (baseball)|Bill Donovan]] (0-1)</small>

|- style="text-align:left;"

|colspan=13|<small>'''HR''': '''CHC''' &ndash; [[Joe Tinker]] (1) </small>

|}

Harry may wear glasses, but he's not colour blind. If he describes someone's eyes as "silvery," then they are silvery. As long as that word is placed in quototations, then it is canon fact. I'm afraid Ron's eyes are the only major mystery.

===Game 3===

[[October 12]]: [[West Side Grounds]], [[Chicago]], [[Illinois]]

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|colspan=13|<small>'''W''': [[George Mullin (baseball)|George Mullin]] (1-0)&nbsp;&nbsp;'''L''': [[Jack Pfiester]] (0-1)</small>

|}

That doesn't change the fact that "silvery" isn't a color. Look it up in a dictionary;

===Game 4===

[[October 13]]: [[Bennett Park]], [[Detroit]], [[Michigan]]

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|colspan=13|<small>'''W''': [[Mordecai Brown]] (2-0)&nbsp;&nbsp;'''L''': [[Ed Summers]] (0-2)</small>

|}

:''sivlery (adj.)

===Game 5===

*''Containing or coated with silver.

[[October 14]]: [[Bennett Park]], [[Detroit]], [[Michigan]]

*''Resembling silver in color or luster: "A fountain threw high its silvery water" (Harriet Beecher Stowe).

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*''Having a clear, softly resonant sound: a silvery laugh.''

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|}

Obviously, Luna's eyes fall into the second definition, which means "''resembling'' silver in color or luster." However, I'm fine with the way the page is now.

==Composite Box==

1908 World Series '''(4-1): [[Chicago Cubs]] (N.L.)''' over [[Detroit Tigers]] (A.L.)

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|colspan=14|<small>'''Total Attendance''': 62,232 &nbsp;&nbsp;'''Average Attendance''': 12,446</small>

|- style="text-align:left;"

|colspan=14|<small>'''Winning Player’s Share''': &ndash; $1,318 &nbsp;&nbsp;'''Losing Player’s Share''' &ndash; $870</small>

|}

==Trivia Picture? ==

* The attendance during Game 5 (6,210) of the 1908 World Series was the smallest World Series crowd in major league history.

* This was the first-ever World Series rematch.

* Boss Schmidt, who made the last out of the 1907 Series with a popup to shortstop, made the last out of this series by grounding out catcher to first.

Anyone think this picture is a good choice? I realize we don't have much supply of good ones, but I hate to make people think Harry Potter is some kind of anime. [[User:Friday|Friday]] 03:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

==External links==

* [http://www.baseball-reference.com/postseason/1908_WS.shtml 1908 World Series at Baseball-Reference.com]

* [http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/history/postseason/mlb_ws_recaps.jsp?feature=1908 1908 World Series at ''WorldSeries.com (MLB.com)'']

* [http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/yr1908ws.shtml 1908 World Series at Baseball-Almanac.com]

* [http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/YPS_1908.htm 1908 World Series box scores and play-by-play at Retrosheet.org]

I notice someone tried another picture, and it was reverted on the grounds that it didn't make Luna look attractive enough. I don't recall anything in the books suggesting that Luna is particular attractive. I personally liked the picture [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luna_Lovegood&oldid=19614728 here] better than the anime-looking one that's here now. But I agree that fan art is probably unneccessary. [[User:Friday|Friday]] 13:22, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

==Reference(s)==

Neft, David S., and Richard M. Cohen. ''The World Series.'' 1st ed. New York: St Martins, 1990. (Neft and Cohen 23-26)

:Yeah, I wonder what we should do. Fan art should be included if it seems to match the description in the books, if a film version isn't available yet. I already object to having Hermione being portrayed without her hair being so bushy or without the "slightly large" front teeth, but it's an official movie, so... --[[User:Deathphoenix|Death]][[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''phoenix''']] 14:27, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

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::I'm the one who did the revert. If you'd like to see a picture of Luna Lovegood, I believe you'll find she is the picture that leads several of the chapters among the various books. On that basis, I'd say "the Anime" looks more like her than that other picture that got posted.

[[Category:1908 in baseball|World Series]]

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::Why doesn't someone ask Rowling/Scholastic if we can reproduce the chapter pictures here as needed?

[[Category:Chicago Cubs]]

[[Category:World Series]]

::[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 15:50, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

:::Are you talking about the American version? If so, I don't have it, so I don't know what you're talking about. ;-) --[[User:Deathphoenix|Death]][[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''phoenix''']] 21:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, the edition published by [[Scholastic Press]] in the U.S.; that's the version most people on this side of the Pond have read.

::[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 11:13, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I know. I'm Canadian, so I only read the Canadian edition (which seems to have more in common with the British edition than not). --[[User:Deathphoenix|Death]][[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''phoenix''']] 15:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I have to disagree with the current choice of picture--the one by Leela Starsky. It isn't that far departed from canon and does represent her more honestly than some of the work out there, even though the eyes are obviously the wrong colour and her eyebrows are thin and dark instead of pale, but it's still a fan-ish version (and personally creeps the bejeebes out of me). I don't see why we can't stick with the Grand-Pre version, which although comes from the U.S., is more befitting because it is the most widely recognized image. I hope this is not the image that is being referred to as "anime," because I can guarantee you that it most certainly is not.

:Which is the "Grand-Pre" version? This one Image:Luna Lovegood.JPG? If it was, it looks like the copyvio problems with that are being resolved so it will be usable again soon. (And did anyone else think that raising the copyvio issue was a pretty-damned-juvenile way of winning the picture war?)

:[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 12:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

::The G-P version is the black and white sketch made by the artist who illustrates the American version of OotP. I prefer the UK style myself, but the UK version does not have a defined image of Luna Lovegood. It occurred to me after I wrote my previous discussion note this morning that there probably would be copyright problems. I just replaced the Starsky one with an edit of it which I did today. It's not as technically perfect as the original, but I think it's more canonically accurate. Feel free to change it back to the original if there is a problem (just call it LunaLovegood.jpg instead of LunaLovegood2.jpg).

:::To clarify, the pic I was referring to as "anime-looking" was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Luna_Lovegood.JPG this]]. I don't know anything about what anime is, I just called it that because it has the typical unreasonably large eyes, and it seems to be meant to look like a child. Oops, looks like that image is a copyvio anyway, so this probably doesn't matter. [[User:Friday|Friday]] 19:31, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Someone change the picture '''NOW'''. The current one almost made me have a seizure I was so scared. It needs help, but not the anime one. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go take a tranquilizer to get that image out of my brain. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|Lord Voldemort]] ^{<font color="#3D9140">[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)]]</font>} 13:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:Oh good lord, I made the mistake of clicking the "article" link after I saw your post to see what you meant, and now those eyes are burned permanently into my retina. I'll be seeing those scary eyes in my nightmares for months... --[[User:Deathphoenix|Death]][[User_talk:Deathphoenix|'''phoenix''']] 13:48, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:What the... that's one seriously screwed up picture. I'm half expecting it to be an animated gif, her eyes start going red and growing fangs. Seriously need to find another picture --[[User:Paultran|takagawa-kun]] 14:21, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:::HER EYES CAN GROW FANGS!?!?!?!! THAT'S AMAZING!!![[User:Stanselmdoc|Stanselmdoc]] 15:17, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

::God, that picture was disturbing!! I changed it back to what it was originally. -- [[User:Alex Nisnevich|Alex Nisnevich]] [[User_talk:Alex Nisnevich|(talk)]] 16:45, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:::Well, I suppose it is minimally better. Why does she look so man-ish? Did you see that jawline? I guess we'll just have to wait for them to <s>release some shots from GoF</s>. --[[User:Lord Voldemort|Lord Voldemort]] ^{<font color="#3D9140">[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)]]</font>} 18:28, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

::::How is this better? She looks like a manly lizard. The manishness comes from the strict jawline and tight, thin lips, plus a lack of softly feminine features. Couple that with these weird blue eyes that are much too beady, and hair that poufs up like a wig, and it's pretty freaky. There must be hundreds of fanarts out there--we should be able to use one of them. And FYI: since when is Luna in GoF?

:::::D'oh, you got me there. I get them all mixed up sometimes. I should have said, "I guess we'll just have to wait for them to make OotP for them to release some shots of Luna." Happy now? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|Lord Voldemort]] ^{<font color="#3D9140">[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)]]</font>} 12:39, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

::::::Mildly appeased. I will be happy if and only the character shots come out and the actor resembles the character (whilst unfortuneately the other actors drift farther and farther away).

:::::::My god, what IS that thing? it looks like a man wearing a blonde wig...I'd rather have nothing than ''that''.

::::::::Aha! Maybe they'll cast [[Ann Coulter|''Mann'' Coulter]] to play Luna? :-) [[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 17:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::It is pretty hideous-looking, I have to agree. The first thing I thought when I saw it was "WTF is that?"[[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 05:42, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

I know a very talented fan-artist whose depictions are pretty loyal to canon and I might try to appeal to her regarding this matter sometime during next week. Her Harry Potter looks much more like Harry Potter than Daniel Radcliffe does, that's for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to politely refuse, though- she's pretty busy and the fogginess of Wikipedia in regards to copyright is likely to be a problematic factor- so don't get your hopes up. --[[User:AceMyth|AceMyth]] 05:56, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

:Ok, I've removed the picture until this debate can be resolved.

Hi all, I've found two wonderful artworks that I think depict the quintissential spirit of Luna Lovegood:

[http://michelle31a.walagata.com/Luna165.jpg], and

[http://michelle31a.walagata.com/Luna177.jpg]

I think either one would make a lovely pic for the subjet (I definitely have to agree with those who found the previous one slightly creepy)

:That second picture is ''beautiful!'' That's how I always imagined Luna looking!! If you could get permission from whoever drew that, that would be wonderful![[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 00:33, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

::Ok, I've contacted the artist and requested her permission....I'll let you know the moment I hear anything :)

:::Ok, she granted us permission to use it so long as we identify her the piece as her work...I'm going to try and do that now...

::::Um...I uploaded the image (or thought I had) a couple of days ago, but it doesn't show...anyone know how to do it?

:::::Where (on Wikipedia) is the picture? That is, can you put a Wikilink to it right here so we can help?

:::::[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 12:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

::::::I did at the start of this particular thread, but here it is again: [http://michelle31a.walagata.com/Luna177.jpg]...I did get the artist's permission, and thought I had followed all the steps as described, but without result....help!

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Luna177.jpg] here. Add the proper license and then we can use it.[[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 03:40, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

::::::Um....forgive me for being a neophyte, but how do I do that, exactly? I have the url and the artist's permission (as indicated in her blog), how do I turn that into a "license"?

How about you just give me her name and I can enter the proper copyright license in the picture's page. Also, did she agree to license this under the GFDL? Or what? Perhaps you should also give us her e-mail address so we can confirm this.[[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 22:23, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

::::::Ok...her e-mail is '''[e-mail]''', though I don't think she agreed to licence under the GFDL (as I never made mention of it to her, and don't know what it is myself). You can read our discussion about using her work at the bottom of this page: [http://www.livejournal.com/community/nebulart/5821.html?page=4#comments]

:::::::Yes!! It worked! Thanks so much! This is such a lovely pic of Luna, very befitting her character, I think :)

Tealin is the greatest Harry Potter fan artist I have ever come accross, you can find her at http://www.nocturnalsoldier.org/Tealin/ One of the greatest things about her is that she does traditional, Disney-style animation, which really captures most of the characters (particularly Harry and Lupin). To me, it is jarring and uncomfortable to see Harry Potter characters drawn in an anime style. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to understand how to upload pictures onto here, so if someone else wanted to do it for me, I'd be much obliged...

* Oh, I forgot to mention that she would like you to ask her for permission before using her work. People do tend to steal it, and that's quite horrible. Thanks!

:Actually we did...just read the last few lines above your post -- it was a complicated proces as you can see!

* The previous editor (Actually we did...etc) seems to have confused the links...

*The current picture is very pretty. Too pretty, perhaps? Luna's eyes are protuberant (think [[Marty Feldman|Marty Feldman]]). Remember, Luna is the girl everybody in her house picks on...(they hide her stuff, call her "Loony", refuse to be friends, etc), certainly not the things I remember 15 year olds doing to the "pretty" girls. I agree that this artist might be worth aproaching: http://www.nocturnalsoldier.org/Tealin/luna.jpg. Her FAQ allows use of her images with attribution. (http://www.nocturnalsoldier.org/Tealin/faq.html). I offer to contact and discuss with her based on discussion here. [[User:Zen611|Zen611]] 02:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

::Nah, I think the current pic's fine; in HBP JKR cleared up the long-standing myth concerning Luna's appearance, and we now know that she is attractive in her own way (wildly clashing accoutrements notwithstanding). Even though the eyes might not be exactly right (though it's difficult to tell in that context), it's definitely a stunning work of art depicting this most unique of HP characters...I really don't see a reason to change it.

:::I put back Leela Starsky's picture. I mean, hey --JKR says that Luna is misty-like, dreamy, and well, "strange", so I thought that pic fitted the descriptions correctly. Anyone comment? This is an encyclopedia, we have to be as accurate as possible. [[User:Janet6|Janet]] 22:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

::::Oh my god. I read the above comments about the Leela Starsky pic and they are just jokes. The pic isn't that bad. I'm a big art fan! Of course, I'm not saying Wikipedia has to do everything my way, but can't anyone comment about Leela's picture honestly? I didn't see fangs and red eyes when I saw it; it's quite beautiful. Tne problem with Wikipedia is that everything changes too quickly. Nothing's ever good enough to stay. That's a fine picture and if anyone objects they need a really good reason. [[User:Janet6|Janet]] 22:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Anyone know what happened to nebulean's artwork?? It seems to have vanished yet there's no mention of it having been deleted in the history section...

I see that there is a [[:Image:Lovegood2.jpg|picture]] of the actress for the [[Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (movie)|OotP movie]] at the [[Evanna Lynch|page on her]]. Shouldn't this go in the Luna Lovegood infobox, at least until we get actual movie screenshots? -[[User:Phi*n!x|Phi*n!x]] 20:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

== Actors and their resemblence to the novel's characters ==

Which characters are so unlike their film counterparts? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|Lord Voldemort]] ^{<font color="#3D9140">[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)]]</font>} 14:40, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

:I recognize the fact that the child actors were chosen because of their resemblence of personality in addition to physical characteristics, plus their acting ability, and I recognize that they were most likely the best available candidates. However, as the actors age, they look less and less the part. I think Emma Watson began as a capable Hermione, but with her neatly done hair and dubious choice of wardrobe she's splitting. Rupert's hair is really long now, and Neville's actor has lost a lot of weight. Maybe it's just me, but after CoS it seemed like a number of the characters began to fit their appearance and mannerisms less and less, while their real-world selves started showing through. Despite how much I appreciate the live-action version, the only proper way to do the story is through animation.

::Clearly this is a matter of opinion. I'm perfectly happy forever-more envisioning Harry Potter as being exactly like Daniel Radcliffe, Hermione being Emma Watson, Hagrid as Robbie Coltrane, etc. It also became clear to me as I was reading ''H-BP'' that Dumbledore would always be Richard Harris for me and not what's-his-name who's playing him now. (Perhaps that's why Rowling had to kill off Dumbledore? Maybe she's stuck on the Richard Harris version of him too? :-) )

:::Ah, that is the difference. I think the films are alright, but they will never match my vision. I think it's more important to create your own vision than to simply rely on the film--which is why it is also important to read the book before you see the movie (plus nine times out of ten the book is better). I will admit though, Robbie Coltrane and Maggie Smith are perfect (so is Alan Rickman, even though he's a bit old). [[User:209.226.184.102|209.226.184.102]] (interspersed comment)

::I don't always feel this way about movie characters made from novel characters, but I think the casting director(s) did remarkably well for the ''Harry Potter'' movies.

::[[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 15:24, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

:::No way. Richard Harris has got nothing on Michael Gambon. Harris was too nice, and weak, and frail, and unenergetic to be Dumbledore. I cannot see Lord Voldemort being afraid of someone like Harris. I know to a lot of people I speak heresy, but while Harris might be a better ''actor'' than Gambon, I stand by my opinion that Gambon is a better Dumbledore than Harris. And where does it ever say in any of the later books that Ron ''doesn't'' have longer hair? --[[User:Lord Voldemort|Lord Voldemort]] ^{<font color="#3D9140">[[User talk:Lord Voldemort|(Dark Mark)]]</font>} 16:04, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

:Richard Harris was perfect. Personally I always imagined Dumbledore being very kind, humble, even meek, despite his considerable power. Unless he gets pissed off, that is...[[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 21:47, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

:If Ron had long hair Mrs. Weasley (or at least somebody) would have said something about it. The only known difference in his hair over the years is that around PoA/GoF he starts ruffling it up a bit more instead of keeping it tidy.[[User:209.226.184.102|209.226.184.102]] (interspersed comment)

:::''Personally I always imagined Dumbledore being very kind, humble, even meek, despite his considerable power. Unless he gets pissed off, that is...''

::Precisely correct. [[User:Atlant|Atlant]] 17:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

== Pure Blood? ==

"Though her blood purity is never straight-foward, it is quite obvious she is pure blood. It does not seem that a muggle would be the editor of the Quibbler and she marked her mother as an extraordinary witch, therefore, she is pure-blood."

How do we know her mother was pure-blood? Muggle-borns can be extraordinary too, just look at Hermione. I think this line should be removed, as it is pure speculation. Is it ever specifically stated that her mother was pure blood? Is her father pure-blood? Can we verify that she had no muggle blood ''whatsoever'' in her heritage? Rowling said that to be considered pure-blood, one's grandparents must have all been wizards. Can we verify this?

It all just seems like it's on shaky ground to me.[[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 18:56, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

:I have to concur. Not only is this not necessarily accurate, it's also racist. Assuming one must be pure-blood to be an 'extraordinary witch' is a) eugenics and b) downright wrong.

:The most that can be said is that "both her parents are wizards", I will change the article to reflect this. --[[User:TexasDex|TexasDex]] 20:15, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's racist considering that it has nothing at all to do with race and only pertains the age of the magical bloodline. I am not sure as to the particulars of blood heritage, but before you can say "pureblood" you have to prove that at the very least her grandparents, let alone great grandparents and those before them, were magical as well. Factually, where we stand now we do not have this information, and can thus only state what we know, which is that her parents are of magical heritage (or at least her father seems to be--though it is still possible that he is a squib).

I agree that Luna's blood heritage can not be determined conclusively based on the information given to us so far. As others have mentioned, muggles can be extraordinary wizards, two very important characters prove this: Hermione and Lily, Harry's mom. Also, I know this question may seem ridiculous, but have we ever been told specifically that Luna's father is a wizard, or have we all assumed that he is because he is completely immersed in the wizarding world? I'll go check OoTP. [[User:Madelinerock|Madelinerock]] 04:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

A user has set it to unknown probably pure blood I was under the impression we were leaving it to unknown. Do we have a problem with this answer? I think maybe we should have a note that says to see the part on her parentage? --[[User:Shimonnyman|Shimonnyman]] 04:50, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

There's no evidence that she is "Probably" pure blood. I think it should be changed back.[[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 04:54, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

:Do we want to note in the template to read that part of the article for details on what we do know? Or leave as is completly? Im for either I just think it could help but I obviously am one person and its only been decided not to specify. --[[User:Shimonnyman|Shimonnyman]] 08:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Maybe we should put "Unknown, could be of any lineage?" Just my two cents...[[User:Marira|Marira]] 06:51, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

I made a minor change on the page in the "family background" section, where it was said that Luna was either Full-Blood or Half-Blood. I changed Full-Blood to Pure-Blood, because the later is the by far more common term in the books, and I'm not even sure if Full-Blood is used in Canon at all. - Sebastian

At the moment (20:41 February 3, the article says "Probably either pure-blood or half-blood"...well, obviously! I'm changing it to Unknown. --<font color="green"><b>[[User:Garykirk|Gary Kirk]]</b></font> [[User_talk:Garykirk|(talk)]] 20:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Richard Harris is perfect! He's te first actor, right? Well, isn't Dumbledore assumed to be over a centure old? He's supposed to look really old, that's the amazing part about him. he's so old, and looks so frail, and yet in reality, he's not. he talks exactly like Dumbledore should talk and exactly the way I picture he talks when I read the books. Gambon is too fast, too energetic to believe he's such an old man.

== Structure ==

I think the article could use some structuring. I haven't had the courage to read through it for lack of organization and headers. [[User:Circeus|Circeus]] 19:58, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

:Ugh. That's an ugly article. I fixed it up a bit. -- [[User:Alex Nisnevich|Alex Nisnevich]] [[User_talk:Alex Nisnevich|(talk)]] 00:41, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

== Luna in the Movies ==

Luna is portrayed by 14 year-old Evanna Lynch from Termonfeckin in Co. in Ireland and goes to Cartown National School. She got the role from 15,000 girls at an open audition in London.

== Butterbeer Caps? ==

<blockquote>...and a necklace made of butterbeer caps.</blockquote>

That sounds misleeding to me. A cap is a LOT more general than "cork", which my UK version of OotP uses (and I'm sure it's mentioned in HBP as well). I see no reason not to use the word the book uses. Okay to change it to cork?

: I don't oppose the change, but I'm pretty sure that the American English version of the book uses cap.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] 21:55, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

:: I remember it as corks, and the HP Lexicon's Luna page lists corks - [http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/luna.html] [[User:Squidward2602|Squidward2602]] 16:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The American version definitely says caps, but if the UK version says something different we should use that, I think.[[User:PiccoloNamek|PiccoloNamek]] 16:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Since no one has opposed the change, I've altered the three instances of caps to corks.--[[User:Cyberdude93|Cyberdude93]] 23:21, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

This may sound like a stupid question, but wouldn't wizards be more inclined to use real corks anyway instead of ordinary bottlecaps? It seems to fit in more with the medieval theme, albeit they must have some sort of mass manufacturing centres for their goods.

:No, that sounds like a completely logical question. <b>This is a complete guess </b>(as being a British citizen, I'm not an expert on American culture), but I'm assuming that the American publisher thought "cork" in this context was more of a British word, or maybe "cap" was more clear. That's the only possible reason I can think of.--[[User:Cyberdude93|Cyberdude93]] 00:16, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

==Luna in fanfiction==

To be honest, I don't like this paragraph, mostly because I doubt it's encyclopedic value. While it is true, that countless fanfictions exist with the Harry/Luna pairing, the same can be said about almost every pairing in the books. I think the paragraph should be deleted, but I'm asking here, if somebody sees some interesting informations in this paragraph that I don't.

I did already delete one sentence, namely this one:

"There are rumors from London that Harry might forge a relationship with Luna in the course of the 7th and last book of the series; we'll just have to see."

First of all, which rumours and by whom? I didn't hear any rumours regarding this topic, and I'm someone who is pretty involved in the Potter-Fandom. I think at least a specific source would be necessary to keep this information. Also, I really don't know who in London should have enough information about the content of book 7 anyway. I highly doubt even JKR's publishers know something about this right now. What the biggest Potter authority, JKR herself, said, is pretty straightforward: She developed Ginny in Harry's ideal girlfriend. Yes, they broke up, but that was because Harry wanted to protect her, not because they aren't in love anymore. I'm not a big Ginny fan. I like Luna both as a character and as a possible girlfriend for Harry much better. But I see no reason to post these "rumours" if everything in canon points against them and for Harry/Ginny. - Sebastian

== 'Love Life' ==

Luna doesn't have a love life. This section is misspelt crap:

"At the start of Order of the Phoenix when Luna and the others where on the train she seems to take a liking to Ron. She Laughs at Ron's "babbon backside" joke harder than anyone, this making a first sign that she fancies Ron. Later, Luna put's away the Quibbler and takes to "staring at everyone else" and stares at Ron as though he was a "mildly interesting television program" this is another sign (Note: JKR didn't describe how she was looking at Hermione, Harry, Neville or Ginny). Later, at the quidditch match, Luna has made a hat with a lion on it which roars like the real thing, Ron is impressed, then Hermione kisses Ron on the cheek (smart move, this means that Hermione is jealous of Ron and retaliates by kissing him).

In Half-Blood Prince Luna is seen on the train with Harry and Neville, here is we first learn that she has had no friends (this is one of the most touching things in the book), she also thanks Harry for saying that she is "cool". Later, she is found helping Hermione after Ron did a nasty impression of her jumping up with her hand every five seconds, here, after Hermione has left, he asks Luna to come with him to Slughorn's Party and would love to go to it "as friends" (Note: Luna becomes slightly softer to Harry in this book), Later, Ron makes a positive comment about Luna saying that she has "grown" on him. (Note: Luna might fancy Ron doesn't like Luna, Ron clearly fancies Hermione although Luna doesn't seem Jealous of Hermione)"

[[User:Njál|Njál]] 19:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think luna likes Ron. I mean, she stared at him, mildly interested after he insulted her somewhat. She laughed harder, you guys cant seem to understand, becasue she laughs like that. I laugh like that. She laughs easily at good jokes. Luna was supporting gryffindor, not ron, and besides, look at her only ther choice: Slytherin. I'd be voting for Gryffindor too, wouldn't you? You're looking in too deep at simple lines. i don't think j.K. meant for us to assume she likes Ron. She meant for us to assume she is strange, or as Ronald puts it, Bonkers. But that's not very nice. ;D

Luna doesn't have a love life, although personally I would love to see her with Harry. Not affectionate, just with him. But I doubt J.K. is going to give Luna a love life... she's too bonkers. Still not very nice, but it's true. Ta! [[User:Luna storm|Luna storm]] 20:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I think Luna and Neville would be pretty cute together. They were together on the train in HBP and Luna was helping Neville into a chair at Dumbledore's funeral. The two are both unpopuler and miss DA the most. Maby their just friends, maby not. I did read somewhere that JK squashed this theory, but I still think they should get together. Ron and Luna just don't fit together, Ron is probaly going to go for Hermione. Anyway, remember when Harry asks Luna out Ron says, "You could've chosen any girl but you chose Loony Lovegood?" Also, when Ron got peeved about Hermione and tried to make her jelous, he chose to make out with Lavender, not Luna.

Yeah JK made it clear that Luna and Neville are not going to be a couple. When reading Ootp i had a suspiscion that Harry and Luna might hit it off, but then in HBP when he got Ginny, I remember how they can trade jokes with just their eyes, and it was perfect. As for Luna and Ron...well...wouldn't you be impressed if someone had just shown up with a roaring lion mask on their heads? --[[User:Leemorrison|Leemorrison]] 12:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Photo of Evanna ==

I don't think we should have a picture of [[Evanna Lynch]] in the head of this article, at least not until photos of her in costume appear. This might give a reader the impression that Luna looks like this, which isn't correct. The photo should be moved to the bottom of the article for now.

:Actually, I agree with you. - <b><font face="Comic Sans MS" colour="navy">[[User:NathanHP|NathanHP]]</font></b> <b><font face="Comic Sans MS" colour="navy">^{([[User_talk:NathanHP|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NathanHP|Contribs]])}</font></b> 07:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

:In fact, [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]] dictates this, because the Evanna Lynch picture is fair use and the fanart has been graciouslyreleased to us under a free license. [[User:Ashibaka|Ashibaka]] <small>[[User talk:Ashibaka|tock]]</small> 04:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

==The necklace==

There's been a small revert war going on about the necklaces. Some editors say they're turnips, some say they're radishes. I looked, and in the American edition of the book, it says radish - does the British edition say something else? [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 14:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The British edition says radishes, I'm quite sure of that. I'm from Northern Ireland, so I assume we get the same version as in the rest of the UK. --[[User:Leemorrison|Leemorrison]] 12:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Name ==

In the name section it said that Luna means moon in Latin, and Spanish; which is true. But it also means moon in Italian, so rather than rattling off a couple of Latin-based languages with the same word for moon I think that it should only say, 'means moon in latin.' Since the other languages are derived from Latin. [[User:ABart26|ABart26]] 21:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)