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== Murder vs killing ==
In reference to the recent edit war(s) you have been involved in over use of "murder" over "killing" (or words to that effect), please comment on the issue [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Logoistic#.22Murder.22_versus_.22killing.22 here] so that we might come to a conclusion. Thank you. [[User:Logoistic|Logoistic]] 01:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
==[[User:RepublicUK|RepublicUK]]==
Final warning issued; if he does it again, to you or anyone else, please let me know and I'll block him to make it stop. If I knew for sure he was a sock - [[WP:DUCK|certainly looks like one]] - I'd block him straight-out, but I can't figure out who he might be. Do you have any idea? He seems to have some particular complaint with you, so I thought you might have a solid guess, at which point we can do a checkuser and look for a long-term solution. | [[User:MrDarcy|Mr. Darcy]] <small>[[User talk:MrDarcy|talk]]</small> 16:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, I'll ask C-R. If it happens again, let me know, as it looks to me like RepUK is increasing his disruption as he goes. | [[User:MrDarcy|Mr. Darcy]] <small>[[User talk:MrDarcy|talk]]</small> 16:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
:: He created his User page with "I represent the UK organisation Republic which can be found at www.republic.org.uk ". Does this mean he has come to Wikipedia with an object in mind? Seems like it. [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 20:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
:::He looks like a sock-puppet to me.--[[User:Major Bonkers|Major Bonkers]] 22:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Who do you think he could be??????--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::Vintage, I prefer that you do not leave comments on my talk page. 'Crucified on a cross' is a [[Tautology (rhetoric)|tautology]]. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 22:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
::::I agree with Bonkers that he's an established user, but I don't see anyone with a similar editing pattern, and can't block him just on that whiff of a suspicion. If any of you has a solid guess as to his identity - it's not Vintagekits, I've already examined that possibility due to their similar comments on the open AfD - let me know or, if you're not comfortable doing it openly, just email me. | [[User:MrDarcy|Mr. Darcy]] <small>[[User talk:MrDarcy|talk]]</small> 14:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Im flattered, I truly am, I've been here a couple of weeks and you consider me to be an ''established user''. Please don't talk about me behind my back like little school children.[[User:RepublicUK|RepublicUK]] 04:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
==Protestant zealot==
I forgot about this. The person I was referring to was [[Alexander Arbuthnot (poet)|Alexander Arbuthnot]] (1538 - 1583) "an eminent divine, and zealous promotor of the [[Protestant Reformation in Scotland]]", who was the second son of Andrew Arbuthnot of Pitcarles, who in turn was the fourth son of Sir Robert Arbuthnot of that Ilk. His mother was Elizabeth, daughter of James Strachan of Monboddo. Does that assist you? My source is Anderson. [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 20:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you. :) - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 21:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
==[[Gillis Baronets]]==
It doesn't look like it. The creator, [[User:Duiek]], seems to have edited and created lots of pages concerning this family (including saying that one of them was Vice-Admiral of Scotland, and that one of them is an entrepreneur (Googling suggests the company concerned, W. M. Gulliksen, does actually exist, but doesn't suggest it's notable in any way)). The 2nd Baronet is supposed to have married Anne, daughter of the 4th Earl of Findlater, but my sources say that that nobleman had no daughter of that name, and I can't see any relative of any of the Earls marrying anyone called Gillis. My gut reaction would be that it's a couple of vanity articles concerning a non-notable American family (one of whom is presumably the editor concerned) together with a completely invented illustrious family history. [[User:Proteus|Proteus]] [[User_talk:Proteus|(Talk)]] 23:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
==Email==
I have received an email in your name. I wonder if you could confirm that you have sent this. Also, I wonder if you'd consider changing the colour of the message bar at the top of the page. It looks just like the official "new message" box, but it is obviously conveying your own content. A wide variety of wonderful hues can be chosen from and the appropriate number inserted in the coding. See [[Web_colours#Color_Table]] [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 23:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:I confirm I wrote to you and copied it to him. Colour change, no problem but I don't know how to. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 23:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
::I'll reply by email. Let me know if you want a different colour! [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 05:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought this background colour might be easier on the eye, and "message" needs to be in a different colour if you want people to click on it to bring up an edit box, but revert if you prefer. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 00:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Astrotrain]]==
I noticed you posted in the talk page. The normal procedure is to state your view in the outside view section. See [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jance]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Essjay]]. The idea is to gain consensus, so individual sections do not have a "disagree" option as with AfD for example. The alternative view is stated separately. Users can then choose to endorse whichever view(s) they choose. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 23:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you. I thought about it and clearly (not for the first time in my life) jumped the wrong way. I have fixed it. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 23:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::No problem. Complicated business at times. I removed "disagree" as this is meant to be your statement on Astrotrain (and the relevant situation), not a !vote as such on the opening statement. I hope this is OK. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 23:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
==Archive==
As your talk page is getting rather long, I thought you might benefit from an archive. See the box at the top of the page. Click the red link to open the page itself. Just cut and paste unwanted talk into it. (If you don't want the box, then just delete it.) [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 02:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you. Learning all the time. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 13:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Lots to learn - there's never and end to it, because as soon as you've mastered something, it gets changed anyway! I might mention it is the norm not to delete or archive active threads, i.e. when users are still commenting or likely to in the immediate future. It can give the — I'm sure in this case mistaken — impression that the user has something to hide. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 23:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
==[[William Arbuthnot (artillery officer)]]==
Vintagekits isn't disrupting this. He's quite entitled to place a nn tag if he wishes, or a prod or take it to AfD, if he thinks any of these things are merited. He is proceeding very prudently with merely the lowest level to start with. This is the normal business of editing, and as long as it is done for sincere reasons, rather than overt and deliberate disruption, there is no problem, even if the person is mistaken. In the lack of evidence to the contrary, we [[WP:AGF|AGF]]. There has to be a "cut off" point where military and aristocracy don't make the threshold. I am inclined to think this subject does, per commanding a large body of men (in this case a whole branch of the army), so might well be a resounding keep if it went to AfD, but I could be wrong. There are probably more dubious examples, however. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 01:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, I accept he is entitled to place a nn tag and that this is prudent/ low level. It seems to me strange that there are folks who question notability of a general while contributing to articles for young men who achieved nothing other than (the dubious honour of) getting shot. I have no doubt this article would survive an afd, but what it really needs is not an nn tag (in my opinion) but a "could use expanding" tag. I will work on that when time allows. Meanwhile [note to self] I must stop feeling VK is stalking me. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 18:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
==J R Gillis==
''(from [[User talk:Quarl]])'' Thank you. Would you like to tell him? (If he doesn't know already). Dieuk seems remarkably dilligent if he is not J R Gillis. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 09:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
:Hi Kittybrewster, I was hoping someone else would pursue it so I didn't have to :) <span class="user-sig user-Quarl"><i>—[[User:Quarl|Quarl]] <sup>([[User Talk:Quarl|talk]])</sup> <small>2007-03-05 08:55Z</small></i></span>
::Done. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 18:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
==Minor edits==
Please don't label additions to talk pages as minor edits, as some users turn off minor edits on their watchlist. Details of what constitutes a minor edit are at [[WP:MINOR]]. Thanks. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 01:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
== Core biographies ==
I noticed you set the core parameter for [[John Arbuthnot]] to '''yes'''. I'm awfully sorry, but I'm afraid [[WP:COREBIO|the Core Biographies project]] is no longer accepting any suggestions to change the list for the time being. I have changed the core parameter to '''no''' per this statement. [[User:Errabee|Er]][[User talk:Errabee|<font color="orange">rab</font>]][[User:Errabee|ee]] 12:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
== Crest ==
You seem to have the details per your post on the French wiki wrt the colours for the crest so I don't quite follow the question. Bit surprised about the colours given as I'm used to seeing sea dogs in vert and or. [[User:Alci12|Alci12]] 18:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:I copied the blazon from Burke's. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 10:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:: Oh I wasn't doubting the accuracy of what you said just an unusual colour [[User:Alci12|Alci12]] 11:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
==Minor edits==
You've marked a lot of edits as minor, which aren't. Minor edits are trivial details, such as spelling correction, grammar, punctuation, wikilinks, typos etc. If there's any doubt, don't mark as minor, as some editors do not have minor edits on their watch list. Please check your preference settings. Click "my preferences" at the top of the page, then click "editing". Make sure that the box next to "Mark all edits minor by default" is NOT ticked. It is useful to make sure that the box next to "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" is ticked. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 01:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:Done. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 10:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. It's also greatly encouraged and helpful to other editors to include a summary of the edit (or some key text from it) in the edit summary box, which is the small box under the main edit box. See [[Wikipedia:Help:Edit summary]]. Edits without clear summaries are also likely to incur greater scrutiny from the [[Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol|Recent changes patrol]]. However, this is an optional action and there are no penalties involved (although it does become a significant issue in [[WP:RFA|applications for adminship]]). [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 23:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:No chance of my wanting to be an admin. Absolutely sub zero. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 23:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Lol. I didn't imagine it. Info included for completeness. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 00:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
== Leathers Arms ==
Any ideas where I might find the Leathers family arms to add to [[Frederick Leathers, 1st Viscount Leathers]]? [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 12:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:Is the Viscount an armiger? You cannot just attribute Arms to him because the surname is the same. [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 13:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::I've no idea to be honest, how do I find out? [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 13:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:::There is no armigerous family of Leathers in the ''General Armory of England, Scotland, and Ireland'' by Messrs., John & John Bernard Burke, 3rd edition, London, 1844. [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 13:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh well. Thanks for your help [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 13:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, he is armigerous. I will email you the details. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 14:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Oops. I can't. Please email me. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 14:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Will do so tonight (just getting the Wiki-email validation thing sorted as I've not switched it on before) [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 14:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
==Land magnate==
I was interested in this disambiguation. The whole problem with that family is for centuries the eldest son was called Robert. Most were also knights, and they all had the same feudal baronial/territorial designation. It is a headache! [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 14:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:One is a knight of course. But the comma seemed inadequate. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 14:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
==Baronet AfD==
I have just come across a deletion nomination for Sir Keith Arbuthnot, Bt. You may wish to comment (here, my Talk Page, or elsewhere) on my remarks on that. I think the AfD is wrong. [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 13:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
==[[Sir Norman Stronge, 8th Baronet]]==
I think it's shaped up nicely, so please do initiate a [[WP:Peer review]]. It could probably do with more in the family section and some more personal information. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 01:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
:I will have a go. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 10:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
::Think we need slightly more on his war service as well - nearly there though [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 11:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Re:Medal
<br>At first I thought it might have been his baronet's badge but obviously not if he didn't inherit the title until 1939 and the photo was taken in the '20s. It looks a bit like the Belgian Croix de Guerre which he was awarded, but I'm not sure if that's only worn on the chest (?) It is a bit hard to make out too. Maybe you could direct the question to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals]]. Thanks, [[User:Craigy144|Craigy]] ([[User_talk:Craigy144|talk]]) 21:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
==More on Scotland==
I wondered if you might care to update the style and content of these, or pass onto someone else who might be interested. A lot of text is from the 100 year old [[Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition]]. What was then obviously considered the finest writing needs considerable revision to conform to wikipedia policies...
*[[Allan Ramsay (artist)]]
*[[Allan Ramsay (poet)]]
*[[William Aikman (painter)]]
[[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 02:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
==Notability tags==
Pleae read up on what the notability tags are for before continually removing them without improving the article. By simply removing the tags you are forcing me to AfD the articles. regards--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 00:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:you are supposed to use the "expand" tags on a short article where there is notability - these articles that you are adding them to do not have obvious notability - please focus on proving notability instead of thinking that this is an attack on the articles.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 00:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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