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<!--[[Image:Cair.gif|right]]-->The '''Council on American-Islamic Relations''' ('''CAIR''') is a controversial [[Islam|Islamic]] [[advocacy group]] in [[North America]], funded by American Muslims and also in significant part by sources with connections to Arab [[Middle Eastern]] governments.<ref name="NYTCAIR1">{{cite news | publisher=[[The New York Times]] | url=http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F30714F93A550C778DDDAA0894DF404482 | title=" Scrutiny Increases for a Group Advocating for Muslims in U.S." | author=Neil MacFarquhar | date=03-14-2007}}</ref> Critics have accused the group of being associated with Islamic extremism<ref name="NYTCAIR1"/>, and in 2007 U.S. federal prosecutors named CAIR an "unindicted co-conspirator" in a plot to fund the designated terrorist organization Hamas <ref name="WND1">{{cite news | publisher=[[World Net Daily]] | url=http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56009 | title=" Feds name CAIR in plot to fund Hamas" | date=06-04-2007}}</ref>. Based on their 2006 annual report, it is estimated that it has 4,761 dues paying members, or between 1 in every 1,680 or 1,260 American Muslims, using the 8 million and 6 million population estimates respectively. Between 2004 and 2006, their membership numbers are believed to have dropped by approximately 45%.[http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28394]
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==Overview==
[[image:smiley.png|thumb|'''Smile, it'll deceieve your mind to rationalize about it''']]
Headquartered in Washington, D.C., with 32 regional offices and chapters in the U.S. and [[Canada]], CAIR was founded in 1994 by [[Nihad Awad]], [[Omar Ahmad]], and [[Rafeeq Jaber]]<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20030622094859/http://www.iap.org/contactus.htm IAP Board Of Directors / Shura Council</ref><ref>http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/1099/9910067.html Rafeeq Jaber: An Energetic Muslim Visionary and Fearless Palestinian-American Political Activist</ref> of the [[Islamic Association of Palestine]] with funding from the Hamas group [[Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development]].<ref name="Emerson2005">United States Senate Committee of Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs[http://www.senate.gov/~banking/_files/emerson.pdf "Money Laundering and Terror Financing Issues in the Middle East." July 13, 2005] Accessed October 16, 2006.</ref> The Holy Land Foundation was later closed as a money-laundering scheme for terrorist support. Hamas is still denominated as a "Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization" by the United States Department of State. [http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm]
 
CAIR’s literature claims its vision as a Muslim civil liberties and advocacy group is to build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding.<ref>[http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=About CAIR:About CAIR]</ref> Its mission is based on 3 core goals – enhancing understanding of Islam, promoting Islamic justice [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31479][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations]and empowering American Muslims.
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CAIR works in close cooperation with other civic and civil liberties groups such as the [[American Civil Liberties Union]], [[Amnesty International]], [[NAACP]], [[Hispanic Unity]], [[Organization of Chinese Americans]], [[Japanese American Citizens League]], [[Sikh Mediawatch]] and [[Resource Task Force]], among many others. In 2003, the [[Ohio]] chapter of the [[American Civil Liberties Union|ACLU]] gave its annual [[Liberty Flame Award]] to the Ohio chapter of CAIR "for contributions to the advancement and protection of civil liberties." [http://cair-net.org/asp/article.asp?id=32696&page=NB].
== PR ==
 
CAIR has successfully formed partnership with the [[National Council of Churches]] and held dialogue with representatives of the [[National Association of Evangelicals]].
I'm doing public relations for your paradox.
 
CAIR has been critical of a number of U.S. criminal [[prosecution]]s, arguing, for example in one of many cases, that [[Sheikh]] [[Omar Abdel-Rahman]], deemed the ringleader of the [[World Trade Center bombing]] in 1993, and convicted of [[conspiracy (crime)|conspiring]] to blow up the [[Lincoln Tunnel]] and other [[New York City]] landmarks, did not receive a fair trial.
Remember: There's no bad publicity, there's only unused publicity.--[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] 13:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 
CAIR commonly works to defend supposed "Islamic Charities" accused of sending money to terrorist groups in the Middle East. CAIR has issued a statement condemning the most recent indictments against members of the [[Islamic American Relief Agency]], the American branch of which was closed in 2004 after being declared a global terrorist organization. [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0703090290mar09,1,7491527.story?ctrack=1&cset=true]
== Hypothetical arguments ==
 
==Funding==
It's a value judgment because it assumes the correctness of the axioms underlying it.
[[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] 21:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::If you look carefully you'd see I actualyl removed the text that was edited in that used the word "axioms", since these are assumption of a subjective nature. Yet, regardless of my inclination the arguments states "when and '''IF'''", the if part is redundant since that were actual cases. A large part of the argument is that "IF" and it's later debunkment. I do not assume anything, I want to show the reader that following this logic and wording leads to a "when" without using any subjective words at all.--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 17:14, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 
In 1999, the [[Islamic Development Bank]] gave a 250,000 US dollar grant to CAIR to purchase land for a national headquarters.<ref>Royal Embassy for Saudi Arabia in Washington, DC press released, quoted at http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/36</ref>
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First, it's not impolite, but see also images is very strange and I am sure not recommended in [[Wikipedia:Manual of style]]. If you really want to have those images accessible from one place, I'd suggest either creating a category for them, or a page with a gallery (in your userspace, or possibly mainspace as a gallery of some kind). Please see [[Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial#Avoiding_image_.22stackups.22]] and other picture tutorials - and please don't insert gigantic images on other people talk pages. Oh, and please note that [[:Image:PPTCountdownto1500Log.jpg]] is a parody, rather useless (on a large scale, any point near the end of exponential function can be made to look like the end...) and probably falling under [[WP:NOR]].--[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] <sup><font color="green">[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</font></sup> 16:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 
In 2002, the [[World Association for Muslim Youth]] (WAMY), a Saudi government-funded organization, financed a 2002 weekly advertising campaign in American publications estimated to be worth $1.04 million dollars<ref>[[Saudi Gazette]], November 2002 quoted in http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19241 Michael Graham, Killed in Action</ref>
== Prohibition edit ==
 
In 2003, Saudi Prince [[Alwaleed bin Talal]] donated $500,000 to place books in US libraries.
Hey, sorry for the dicked-up edit. I will go through and make sure I didn't remove any other content. Sorry for tinkering with your baby.[[User:Russell Abbott|Russell Abbott]] 07:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
:Being conscious of prudence, is all that matters. '''I welcome your contributions''', as long as they do not conflict, erase or neutralize neutrality. thanks. [[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 08:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 
In 2006, [[Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum]], Deputy Ruler of [[Dubai]] and [[UAE]] Minister of Finance and Industry, financed the building of a property in the US to serve as an endowment for the organization.<ref>http://www.uaeinteract.com/news/default.asp?ID=178 UAE Official Web site</ref> This gift is thought to generate income of approximately 3 million US dollars a year.
==[[Katzen]]==
I think you put your finger on the pulse here. "In the world of body modification" maybe. But in the world at large, maybe not. I'll consider AfD later on. Give you time to develop it. I am sorry I tagged it 16 min. after creation - I didn't realize it was so fresh. - <b>[[User:Crzrussian|CrazyRussian]]</b><small> [[User_talk:Crzrussian|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Crzrussian|contribs]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Crzrussian|email]]</small> 22:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:Sure thing. Yet this bizzar little world is home for many millions of people world wide. And being one of the very few world wide with these traits she defently deserves a stub, even just as a human bizzarity. :) --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 22:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
::I think a self-respecting 'pedia should stay away from stupid topics. Why would we reward this freak for piercing her upper lip and inserting whiskers by writing up an encyclopedia article about her? LOL - <b>[[User:Crzrussian|CrazyRussian]]</b><small> [[User_talk:Crzrussian|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Crzrussian|contribs]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Crzrussian|email]]</small> 16:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
:::But then I think about all the game cruft and webcomics etc etc and my head swims... nevermind... - <b>[[User:Crzrussian|CrazyRussian]]</b><small> [[User_talk:Crzrussian|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Crzrussian|contribs]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Crzrussian|email]]</small> 16:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Well, one of the '''greatest''' adventages of this online `pedia is that is enough room for information that is otherwise classically treated as anecdotal. we also have articles about forsaken train stations and small towns of less than 5000. ''because'' there is enough space, and we have no printing pages total budget, and becaseu they hurt no one ...they exist. besides that, in the relevant community(which is quite large) she's important enough. and even besides that point, she's a hack of a curiousity to read about. :~) --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 17:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, I am convinced, no AfD, but it don't mean I won't vote Delete if someone else nominates it :) - <b>[[User:Crzrussian|CrazyRussian]]</b><small> [[User_talk:Crzrussian|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Crzrussian|contribs]]/[[Special:Emailuser/Crzrussian|email]]</small> 16:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
:::In my view ANY article that is not promotional spam, biassed material, or one that is redundant in that it repeats what others have said Does Not deserve to be deleted. your local train station article may be of some use or interest to someone. It hurts nobody by simply existing. In the hebrew wiki for instance Any article is worth deleting if a bunch of admin did not predecide it's subjective worthyness and and the author's personal relationship. so you see this kind of a subjective unguided opinion is a dangerous slope.--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 17:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 
==howtoProjects==
CAIR claims that it works to promote a positive image of Islam and Muslims in America through media relations, lobbying, education, and public advocacy. CAIR tries to get a Muslim voice represented in the media, and to present American Muslims' side of issues in current events. Its members often appear on news programs when a story involves Muslims in America. Over the years, CAIR has become an often-cited source for journalists who are seeking input or a quote from Muslim leaders or the Muslim community.[http://www.cair.com/factsaboutcair.asp]
I'm replying to your message on my talk-page about creating a userbox. There are lots of ways to incorporate userboxes in your userpage. You can just throw them in, but then you can't allign them. You could also code for a box around the userbox. like this:
 
CAIR issues [http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=archive&theType=AA "Action Alerts"] to its online subscribers to call attention to hate crimes or harsh statements against Islam and Muslims in the media. Often, it will encourage a letter-writing campaign to ask politicians or editors to condemn hate speech. It also publishes positive reports of interfaith cooperation and examples of businesses that reach out to Muslims, and often asks the subscribers to write letters of gratitude to those leaders and companies.[http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=civilRightsPositiveIncidentReport]
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CAIR also focuses on the [[civil rights]] of Muslims in America. It advocates on behalf of Muslims and others who have experienced religious discrimination, [[defamation]], or [[hate crime]]s. It often mediates with employers to ensure that companies respect the religious rights of their Muslim workers, such as the right to wear a [[hijab]] at work or get time off for Islamic holidays.{{Fact|date=April 2007}}
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CAIR also conducts research on the American Muslim community, releasing annual reports on [http://www.cair.com/asp/crr-exec-sum.asp civil rights] and statistics on the Muslim community. It also sponsors voter registration drives in communities and outreach and interfaith relations with other religious groups in America.
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After 9/11 Americans en masse took an increasing interest in Islam. CAIR created a "library project" which sold packages of educational books and tapes about Islam (over $300 worth per library) for donation to public libraries in the United States. In 2002 [[Saudi Arabia|Saudi]] Prince [[Al-Waleed bin Talal]] donated $500,000 to CAIR to support the program. [http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/021119/2002111910.html] The Washington Times noted in 2003 that although CAIR claimed to have sent 37 packets, the city had received only one.[http://washingtontimes.com/national/20031020-122538-4008r.htm] The libraryproject.org page was last updated in 2005 and the ___domain became defunct.
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CAIR coordinated the [http://cair.com/FatwaJuly2005.pdf release] of a [[fatwa]] (religious pronouncement) that stated in part, “Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians' life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is ''haram'' or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not martyrs.”
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In 2005, following [[Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005|retracted media reports of the desecration of the Quran]] at [[Camp Delta]] in the [[Guantanamo Bay detainment camp]], as well as negative stereotypes against Islam in the media, CAIR started an "[http://www.cair-net.org/explorethequran/ Explore the Quran]" campaign, intended to promote understanding of the [[Quran]] by distributing complimentary copies to any interested member of the American public.
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In 2006, during the worldwide Muslim outrage over the publication of cartoons visually depicting [[Muhammad]], CAIR responded by launching an educational program "[http://www.cair-net.org/Muhammad/ Explore the Life of Muhammad]" aimed at providing free copies of a DVD or book about the life of the [[Muhammad]] to any person who requests it. Over 16,000 requests were received as of September 2006.
 
In June 2006, CAIR announced a $50 million project to influence the American media ($10 million per year for five years). According to the article, the project will be spearheaded by [[Paul Findley]]a former US Congressman. Saudi Prince [[Alwaleed bin Talal]] was going to be contacted to help fund the project. [http://www.arabnews.com/?article=84122]
 
==Disputes and dialogue==
CAIR has criticized several recent films and television shows featuring Muslim terrorists. For instance, it lobbied against the film ''[[The Sum of All Fears (film)|The Sum of All Fears]]'' in a campaign lasting two years, during which time CAIR was in contact with [[Paramount Pictures]] and [[Mace Neufeld]].[http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=71&theType=AA] The campaign was ultimately successful and the Islamist terrorists which had featured in the [[The Sum of All Fears|original book]] were replaced with neo-Nazis in the film version.
 
CAIR also issued a complaint on September 29, 2005, following an ad for the [[Bell Helicopter Textron|Bell]]/[[Boeing]] [[CV-22]] aircraft which portrayed soldiers storming a mosque.[http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=54352] The following day, Boeing sent a formal apology to CAIR, and Bell and the [[National Journal]] contacted CAIR to express their regret.[http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050930/dcf064.html?.v=2]
 
On January 26, 2006, CAIR issued a complaint following a segment on Los Angeles radio program ''The [[Bill Handel]] Show'' which allegedly mocked the deaths of Muslims in a recent [[Hajj]] stampede.[http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=360&theType=AA] CAIR had been monitoring the program for "anti-Muslim material" and had previously filed complaints over another inflammatory incident in 2004, which resulted in a formal apology issued on-air by the station ([[KFI]]).[http://cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=1049&theType=NR]
 
==Criticism==
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CAIR has received criticism from a number of both governmental and non-governmental sources, for actions it has taken and people and organizations it has been involved with.
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Critics have accused CAIR of having ties to terrorist organizations, and of "pursuing an extreme Islamist political agenda".<ref name="NYTCAIR1"/><ref>[http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13175 The CAIR-Terror Connection]</ref><ref>[http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43805 CAIR leader convicted on terror charges]</ref><ref>[http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22144 CAIR Backs Down from Anti-CAIR]</ref><ref>[http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18027017&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18171&rfi=6 Sestak takes heat over appearance at CAIR banquet]</ref><ref>[http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10061 CAIR's Al Qeada Link Exposed]</ref><ref>[http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjY4M2VjNmE2NmIxNzM3YjYyNTJjMjI4Y2JkOTE1YWI= Singing CAIR’s Tune, On Your Dime]</ref> It has been asserted that four former CAIR officials have been charged with terrorism-related offenses. However, this assertion is disputed by CAIR, which notes that only one of the individuals mentioned was ever employed by CAIR, and his arrest was on a weapons charge, not a terrorism charge, and took place after the period of his employment by CAIR.[http://www.cair.com/urbanlegends.pdf] Critics claim CAIR is a spin-off of the [[Islamic Association for Palestine]], which is alleged to be a “front group” for [[Hamas]].<ref>{{cite news | url=http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25448 | author=Robert Spencer | title=CAIR's Congress | date=November 13, 2006}}</ref>
 
Critics have also taken aim at CAIR's fundraising and sources of funds. Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR's website solicited donations for what it called the "NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund."<ref name=CAIRnet2001>[http://web.archive.org/web/20010917013636/http://cair-net.org/ Archive.org: CAIR web site as of 2006-11-17]</ref> However, clicking on the donation link led to the web site for [[Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development]] (HLF).<ref name=CAIRnet2001 /><ref>{{cite web
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| publisher =The New Republic
| date =2007-03-28
| url =https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=w070326&s=emerson032807
| accessdate =2007-04-08 }}</ref> Later that year, HLF was later designated as a terrorist organization by the European Union and U.S. because of alleged connections to [[Hamas]], and shut down by [[executive order]].
 
CAIR has also been accused of doctoring photographs and reporting fraudulent statistics about the Muslim population of the United States in support of its own private agenda. Finally, another source of criticism is that CAIR attempts to suppress criticism of Islamic terrorism and intolerance through accusations of racism and anti-Muslim bias.{{Fact|date=June 2007}}
Please note that you should always end a separate userbox with <nowiki>|}</nowiki> if not, everything after your userbox will be seen as part of the box, and will not appear on screen.
 
[[Investor's Business Daily]] publicly condemned CAIR as being "the PR machine of militant Islam" after CAIR "dispatched its henchmen" to try to shut down the first [[Secular Islam Summit]]. [http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=258076311558394]
For more information about userboxes see [[Wikipedia:Userboxes]].
 
Among the numerous books donated to libraries in CAIR's "library project" was former congressman [[Paul Findley]]'s 'Silent No More', which includes positive statements about convicted terrorist [[Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi]].<ref>[http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031020-122538-4008r.htm 'Libraries revisit Islam'] By Julia Duin, The Washington Times</ref>
Enjoy editing your userbox!
- [[User:C mon|C mon]] 18:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 
==References==
::::::::Thanks! [[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup>
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==External links==
==[[Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique]]==
=== Official ===
*[http://www.cair.com/ CAIR National]
 
=== News articles ===
The problem with this AFD is that you missed out the third step in the process, listing the page on the deletion log page. So the only people who've seen it found it through the "Five-Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique" page itself. [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 20:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/acair.htm CAIR's legal troubles], 2003
:::Ok. I thought only that mattered. Anyways, now what?--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 20:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
*[http://www.arabnews.com/?article=84122 $50M Saudi-funded CAIR media initiative]
: I've added it to the current log page. Votes normally run for five days. [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 21:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Thank you. So the answer to my question would be "If listed correctly admin will take care of this" ? --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 21:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:Yup. Just follow the instructions at [[WP:AFD#How_to_list_pages_for_deletion]] and it'll all be taken care of. [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 21:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Great. Yet this should be stated in the "how to" section, since It took me forever to '''not''' find it..:) [[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup>
 
=== Criticism ===
== unclear edit re. [[Penis removal]] ==
*[http://www.danielpipes.org/ Daniel Pipes]
*[http://www.anti-cair-net.org/ Anti-CAIR]
*[http://www.americansagainsthate.org/cw/ CAIRwatch]
*[http://www.cairbaby.com/ CAIR-The Nation's Loudest Baby]
*[http://www.adl.org/Israel/cair.asp Anti-Defamation League's CAIR Profile]
*[http://kyl.senate.gov/legis_center/subdocs/091003_epstein.pdf Saudi Support for Islamic Extremism in the United States (PDF)]: 2003, "Testimony of Matthew Epstein Before the United States Senate Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security"
*[http://www.secularislam.org/blog/post/SI_Blog/21/The-St-Petersburg-Declaration Secular Islam Summit]
 
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Re. your message on my talk page, you're looking at a diff across a number of edits. There are two others in between yours and mine. Check the edit history [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Penis_removal&action=history here] and the delta between my edit and the previous one [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Penis_removal&diff=53123875&oldid=53121519 here] - [[User:Ali-oops|Ali-oops]]<sup><font color="DarkRed">[[User_talk:Ali-oops|&#9997;]]</font></sup> 22:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[[Category:Political advocacy groups in the United States]]
::Ye. oops. Wierd I missed that. thanks.--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 09:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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== Wikify tag on 'God is Dead' ==
 
Hello Diza,
 
What do you think needs wikifying on the [[God is dead]] page? I understand wikifying to be adding internal links, breaking into sections, and consistent formatting, and the article seems to me OK on those things. Could you elaborate what you think needs doing? Cheers, --[[User:Squiddy|Squiddy]] | [[User talk:Squiddy|<small>(squirt ink?)</small>]] 19:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 
:It's just hard to read. it needs to be broken down. it also uses many terms without linking to them. --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 15:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 
::I'll try to fix it. It's never going to be a simple read because its a much more difficult concept than the simplicity of the sentence suggests. Cheers, --[[User:Squiddy|Squiddy]] | [[User talk:Squiddy|<small>(squirt ink?)</small>]] 11:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Really ? I always found the concept self explaintory and quite trivial. I guess it depends on your preconceptions through upbringing.--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 16:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 
==[[Evil Demon]]==
 
Ah, I'm sorry, I thought 'cleaned up the article' would be enough. I'll be more specific in my edit summaries in the future.--[[User:Laplace's Demon|Laplace&#39;s Demon]] 18:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 
Hmm, I have no idea why that article uses 'Daemon' instead of 'Demon'. Even Descartes doesn't use 'Daemon' in his Meditations. Is there any way we might have the name of the article changed to 'Evil Demon'?
 
Oh, and as to the origin of my username. It's the name of a thought experiment originally proposed by the mathematician [[Pierre-Simon Laplace]]. The basic question of whether or not an intellect that possesses all knowledge of the present and past, will necessarily know the future as well. I chose it as my username as it's a question dealing with both physics and philosophy, my greatest interests. --[[User:Laplace's Demon|Laplace&#39;s Demon]] 21:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 
::Lets continue here, shall we?
::If you have absolutely no idea, as do I and the article does not explain it, show move support in the talk page and I shall move it.
::I believe laplas's deterministic question has been asnwered by modern quantum mechanics. how about contributing to [[Laplace's Demon ]] ? :) [[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 08:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 
== [[The Art of Dreaming (book)]] ==
 
I've reverted your pagemove because there is no need to use brackets for clarification as there is only one article with this name. By the way, it's not misleading as the first sentence explains that it's about a book. Take a look at similar examples: [[Rule, Britannia!]] - a song, [[The Blind Watchmaker]] - a book, etc. --[[User:Zoz|Zoz]] ''[[User_talk:Zoz|(t)]]'' 18:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 
== [[Arguments for and against drug prohibition]] ==
 
I have once again removed the reference to [[Adam and Eve]] in this article. I am not trying to start a revert war, though I truly beleive this paragraph is better without referencing the bible. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] 23:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
::I hope this is a welcome compromise [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arguments_for_and_against_drug_prohibition&diff=60141716&oldid=60086173]. direct Biblical refrences are really not necessary. [[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 08:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
That is wonderful, thanks! [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] 22:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 
== Cleanup Templates ==
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[[User:Alphachimp|<font color="Maroon">'''Alphachimp'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alphachimp|'''<font color="Blue">talk</font>''']]</sup> 20:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 
::Firstly you could linked your change or mention the article's name since I make more than one edit a week. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alphachimp this was'nt easy.]
::Secondly, I try to keep away from the ever increasing ever changing beurocracy of naming convention and tempplate substitue action prerequisetes. thnaks 4your help in rectifying my ignorant mistake though.
::Thirdly, how Do I put a cleanup template with a costum messege?
 
== Recent update to Arguments for and against drug prohibition ==
 
Great work cleaning up that article. You really trimmed the fat. [[User:HighInBC|HighInBC]] 12:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
::Ahhm.. I mainly trimmed the junk some IP user wrote in, but thanks ! :)--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 16:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 
== [[M-Theory]] ==
 
I disagree with your reverts of my edits. The only section I deleted was the "spiritual implications of M-Theory" section, and I think rightfully so. Furthermore, you are incorrect when you say I have added no new information. There was hardly any information of membranes and the formation of the extra spacial dimensions, of which I added to. I want a better explantion on why you have reverted those edits I had done. [[User:Gagueci|Gagueci]] 21:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 
::I am a student of physics my self (finishing a BA), and had you looked at the history of the edit summaries you would've seen my comment on that section being silly...YET, Many people of various spritialistic background consider "many worlds"/"dimentions" a serious buisness, and view the physical science merrits of Quantm theory many worlds interpretation and String theory's as a validation to their vaious (somewhat condtradictory claims). Those voices should be heard.
 
::I looked at all your edits and found almost nothing but rewordings.
::I'd hate to start a revert war on this subject. please revert to my last edit ''yourself'' and add your stuff by sections so we can discuss them one by one, otherwise what you did cause the difference between versions to be overwhelming, leaving no place but a total revert. thank you.--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 10:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 
Go ahead and revert it back yourself. I have no further problem with it. [[User:Gagueci|Gagueci]] 16:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
::You sure?
::Done. i've also replaced existing small "brane" section with your elaboration of it. --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 18:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 
Yes, I feel sure. You're right, I was inconsiderate with my edits, thank you for pointing that out to me. [[User:Gagueci|Gagueci]] 19:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for being such a sport. writing in wikipedia can take sometime to get used to. I hope to see more of you'r contribution in physic articles. [[image:smiley.png|25px]] --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 20:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 
 
==A....Ism==
Sorry about that, I went a bit too fast and misread it there. Thanks for catching it. [[User:Attic Owl|Attic Owl]] 21:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
::dont worry bout it. that's what wiki's all bout. --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 14:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 
==Re: your comments on my talk page==
 
Sorry for the late reply; I've been thinking rather hard about this.
 
You wrote: ''lol, "cool" could ber anykind of a fashion statment. transexuality being a clear one.'' I'm not sure if you realize this, but that was quite an offensive thing to say. If I can cite the article [[Transsexualism]] for a moment&mdash;"Transsexualism often manifests itself as an agonizing dysphoria toward one's biological birth sex, as well as difficulty or inability living in its social role. If untreated, it can lead to mental and emotional problems, and sometimes, suicide."
 
This ... isn't the description of, as you put it, a fashion statement. Stretching your ears can be a fashion statement. Dressing androgynously may even be a fashion statement. But being transsexual is most definitely '''not''', and it's important to remember that it's an inborn, often painful thing, '''not''' a "choice to be different." Two options: live as the gender you were meant to be, or live a continually miserable life. I don't see much of a choice there.
 
I was also made uncomfortable by your asking if I had a girlfriend. What did you mean? Were you trying to imply something?
 
Good luck in your future endeavors on Wikipedia. :) Your talk page is pretty long, btw; have you considered archiving it? <font face="trebuchet ms"><b>[[User:Switchercat|<font color="darkblue">Switcher</font><font color="#000">cat</font>]]</b> <sup>[[User_talk:Switchercat|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Switchercat|cont]]</sub></font> 02:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
::'''I trully apologize''' if I hurt your feelings in any way. I was trying to make light of a heavy situation, assuming you were O.k with ot your self. Naturally I understand this is an inborn state nad not a choice, yet I thought most people would feel better [[wishfull thinking|fooling]] them self that it is, I guess you are more conscious than most people. You still may choose to see it as an interesting way to experience the "human condition", being out of the ordinary, and having the ''priviledge'' to experience both sexes. I always found this fascinating.
::About your possible mate, I was just curious as to whether you are attempting connections and if so in what sex. maybe you are too young to openly discuss these things, if so -Again I trulyl apologize.
::Thank you. archieceing [[User talk:Diza\oct05-arpil06|on the way]] ([[user talk:Diza\oct05-arpil06]]).--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 10:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 
== Red Rain ==
 
BBC's Horizon on 14 November featured Chandra Wickramasinhge, but I don't have much information about this yet: I don't have a telly; one chum fell asleep and another was too bored to remember much. There is a mention on BBC's Horizon web site. The previous week covered pandemics and Wickramasinghe seems quite keen on H5N1. Sorry, I don't have the links to hand but Google with (+Horizon +"red rain") showed them up on its first page last week.
 
There was a conference at Cardiff recently, and the papers are due to be published in the near future. It's puzzling. Gil Levin was at the conference - the man who designed the GC-MS 'life detector' that was flown to Mars three decades ago - so they ought to have been able to work out how to test if the particles were alive.
 
[[User:Davy p|Davy p]] 20:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::That's the point, a potential discovery of this '''magnitude''' should have gain more attention by the scientific community, yet not only have the papers not been published, but the it seems as though there aren't that many serious scientist studying it. --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 10:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 
==Drug stuff :[[Arguments_for_and_against_drug_prohibition]]==
 
I thought I added this:
 
http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/bocsar/ll_bocsar.nsf/vwFiles/cjb54.pdf/$file/cjb54.pdf as a citation.
 
Look in page 5.
 
If you think its good, added to the page that had the citation needed thingy. It is not general enough but nothing empirical can be very general, and I believe my source cites another source which may be even better. Also, please revert the change you made to my talk page. It just looks bad when I revert criticism so, to keep a good reputation, I like the critic to revert her own changes... :) Thanks for keeping an eyeout for vandalism and keep up the good work! [[User:Brusegadi|Brusegadi]] 22:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 
:hi, There's a huge list of refferences at the end of the article so it is constumary to add a direct inner page ling called a reference. Not only did I not notice you adding a new one, but there isn't a direct <nowiki>{{{ref}}</nowiki> tag linking from where you drop the <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> tag. Please put a reference to your new(?) source.
:Furthermore, I have a '''Very Strong Opposition''' to rewriting history through a deletion of talk pages, be it personal or article related. I have seen terrible things happen to the isralie wikipedia because of these trends to "burn the books" on specific conversations and decision, it completely shuttered the democratic process of communal writing, and I will not have it here.--[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 10:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 
==ALS==
Hi Diza, re: your edit on [[amyotrophic lateral sclerosis]] I just wanted to let you know that this is a discussion that's been had before. The logic in calling it "fatal" is that for the vast, vast majority of patients it is unfortunately a rapidly progressive disease. Although about 5% or so survive past 10 years most do not. I would certainly agree that [[primary lateral sclerosis]] or even [[progressive muscular atrophy]] could be considered chronic rather than fatal, although the latter is also life-limiting. As a counter-example I would say [[Parkinson's disease]] is chronic rather than fatal, even though statistically people with the disease do live for a shorter time than those who do not have it. Interested in your view. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 19:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
::Amputation of the head is '''always''' fatal, I believe we should not disregard the crutial hope factor in having a real comprehensive article. For better accuracy maybe the "sometimes fatal" should link to an external article or a specific segment of the ALS article statying the 5% thing you just mentioned. just plain "fatal" is just plain wrong. (Mr. hawcking is living with it for 40 years now!!) --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 10:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::As amusing as that comparison is, it is not a suitable analogy in this case. I do not know if you are someone that has ALS, or someone who is involved in the care of someone with ALS. Either way I hope you will not consider me insensitive when I say that in my experience ALS is invariably fatal (or at least it has been in the 4 years I've been working at the largest ALS clinic in the UK). Stephen Hawking is an exceptional case, in fact '''the''' exceptional case although there have been one or two cases to survive nearly as long. People with a diagnosis of ALS are very likely to die much earlier than they would have done had they not been diagnosed with it. Although there is no firm definition, many refer to it as a [[terminal illness]]; by comparison it is certainly not a [[chronic disease]] as it is not long-lasting. Where definitions do exist, such as under insurance companies wanting to define terminal, critical, and chronic illness, ALS is termed by most providers as a terminal illness. Average survival is 2-5 years although this is highly skewed to the right by the ~50% of patients that die within 14 months of diagnosis. The reference I use most frequently comes from our database: http://jnnp.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/74/7/995.pdf --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 09:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 
::Thank you for the information, I think it is important to incorporate it in the article. You are obviously more knowledgable than me in this case. We can put "Almost always fatal" with an inner link to a "life expectancy" section of the article.
::"''People with a diagnosis of ALS are very likely to die much earlier than they would have done had they not been diagnosed with it"'' Why is that? --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 10:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
::What is so special on Steven's case, in your opinion?
 
:::Respiratory failure caused by weakness of muscles involved in expelling carbon dioxide. That or pneumonia accounts for most mortality, with a smaller number attributed to heart failure (or suicide).
::::Yes, but you said that the very diagnosis makes them die faster, regardless of them having this hard to diagnos illness, or did we miscommunicate? --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 11:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
:::My own view is that the coincidence is not that any one individual with ALS has lived a long time, but that he is also famous. Personally I think part of Professor Hawking's appeal as a "meme" if you like is the notion of a "brilliant mind trapped in a failing body". Whilst I'm sure he is exceedingly capable I don't believe (as often comes up in polls) that he is the most intelligent man alive, nor do I believe his survival has anything to do with him being bright. I've seen many bright ALS patients who haven't done so well. The other thing to bear in mind is that he has an excellent care team and a high level of service. Where that isn't available many people choose not to go on with life-extending procedures like feeding tubes, ventilation etc. I believe that he has the standard form of ALS and I have seen no evidence to contradict that position. There are many patients in Japan who have been alive with ALS for 20+ years, but they are invasively ventilated, a procedure which is not commonplace in the UK or US. There are of course exceptions, and these patients live for a longer time period. --[[User:PaulWicks|PaulWicks]] 17:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::So you are saying it's his strong wil lto live, supportive family and invasive medical care. Interesting. If there is no God, at least now we know that there is a Devil. This is an absolute horrific disease. --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 11:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 
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== Why? ==
 
over at it's AFD, a couple of us are wondering why you felt that[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vital_needs Vital needs] should be kept? Just curious, don't feel like you need to answer. --[[User:Charlesknight|Charlesknight]] 17:49, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well I can ask you the same. It's an interesting unique piece on the subject in wikipedia, and although at need for a rewrite, and somewhat pseudo scientific, it's quality can be elevated through time. --[[User:Diza|<font color="DarkGreen">Procrastinating'''@'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Diza|talk2me]]</sup> 19:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)